>Ukraine just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans. >not on credit or for British money but on their own cost

>Ukraine just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans
>not on credit or for British money but on their own cost
Why is British armor is so much superior than anyone else that people actually want to buy it?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I guess Ukraine loses now

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because CVR(T) is a fantastic platform. It's fast, just werks and has extremely low ground pressure so it can operate off road in the rasputitsa.
    As far as I'm aware they bought the ambulance variant which is great for speedy CASEVACs

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is British armor is so much superior than anyone else that people actually want to buy it?
    What is the tactical advantage of shilling on an english language forum if you don't know how to speak english?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shill to whom exactly?
      >protip, you're retarded

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        me tbh
        now i want a CVR(T) for speedy CASEVACs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          me too tbh, though i don't need a shill to want one

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Those fuel cans.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Petroleum canisters do not explode when shot you fucking redditfugee

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably the only shitbox aviable that can be delivered fast and doesn't cost fortune. Just a guess.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just to make a Spartans vs Persians joke

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the perfect vehicle when the vatniks start coolapsing and abandooning

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Advance Wars looking ass.

    I love it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      rushka needs to lose so we can get our fucking remake

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its a nifty little do-anything platform and there's a bunch of them going for dirt cheap since they're being retired. Not world shattering, but certainly very useful for Ukraine's current situation.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cuz they invented it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And they perfected it so that no living man could best them in the ring of honor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Cuz they invented it.

      And they perfected it so that no living man could best them in the ring of honor

      >And they perfected it so that no living man could best them in the ring of honor
      Ah, men of culture, I tip my 3 hats to you, sirs.

      https://i.imgur.com/W05QjUt.jpg

      >Ukraine just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans
      >not on credit or for British money but on their own cost
      Why is British armor is so much superior than anyone else that people actually want to buy it?

      The answer is pretty simple and obvious.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The CVRT is perfection as far as cold war light armoured vehicles go. They are also fantastic in mud and snow - they were the only tracked vehicles able to move around the boggy peatlands of the falkland islands.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The CVRT is perfection as far as cold war light armoured vehicles go. They are also fantastic in mud and snow - they were the only tracked vehicles able to move around the boggy peatlands of the falkland islands.

      The downside of this is that they will be turned to flaming wrecks by just about anything heavier than a PKM. On Russian forums they are lamenting the poor armor of their BMPs and praise German IFVs or tank conversions as the shit we should have.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As mentioned their extremely light weight means they're less prone to being bogged down, extremely fast too for a tracked APC. Perfect for carting around Stugna teams in the middle of winter.

        I doubt they'll be used to support regular infantry units though. If they do they're stupid as per

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then again if that's all they can get I suppose it'll have to do wont it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I doubt they'll be used to support regular infantry units though.

          Why do you say stupid shit like this.

          Ukes assault with everything and anything that works. For every Bushmaster there's five collections of RAV4, Hilux and LandCruiser.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fair point on the Armour, its rated for 14.5mm to the front and everything above a PKM firing AP will pen the sides.
        Their has been two instances where a Scimitar was hit by a sabot from a tank (M1A1 and a T62) and the round just went straight through miraculously not killing anyone.

        >There were a batch of 50 milsurp in private hands already I think and they got sold off to Ukraine instead of whatever was going to be done with them. Total price $5.5m.
        That is pretty much scrap metal value. Metal recycling companies are pretty much only ones buying military equipment in bulk unless we are talking about forklifts or other similar civilian machinery that is painted green and can be easily repurposed to civilian uses.

        You can buy them here for £50kish. Used to be alot cheaper before the war though like £25k.
        https://tanks-alot.co.uk/product/cvrt-sabre-eaw950-50000-plus-vat/

        As mentioned their extremely light weight means they're less prone to being bogged down, extremely fast too for a tracked APC. Perfect for carting around Stugna teams in the middle of winter.

        I doubt they'll be used to support regular infantry units though. If they do they're stupid as per

        This is exactly how we use them (Latvia too) specifically for carrying round AT teams or any specialist team really. I'm pretty sure we got rid of the Stormer cvrt in favour of the FV103 + Javelin team.

        Would be nice to send them some Striker and Sheilder cvrt if we still have them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Two instances where a Scimitar was hit by a sabot from a tank (M1A1 and a T62) and the round just went straight through miraculously not killing anyone.
          Lmao
          CVRT is literally my favourite tank after watching people bounce around in it in the top of the turret in some muddy field on some video at like 50mph casually

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >in some muddy field on some video at like 50mph casually
            Then contrast it with this lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sorry I actually lied there, it wasn't a Scimitar it was a Scorpion so came thing but different. Here it's the one hit by the M1A1 see picrel.
            >They had stopped to take the surrender of Iraqi troops, when one Scorpion was hit in the front by a round from a US M1 tank, firing from about 1500 m to the north. The driver escaped without injury, but a soldier walking alongside received shrapnel wounds.

            It was a Scimitar that was hit by a T55 though
            >One Scimitar was engaged and hit by an Iraqi T-55 and the penetrating round passed through the thin aluminium armour without injuring the crew.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Scorpion is such a happy looking cvrt

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sorry 1990s bongs, you guys just have a stunning resemblance to Iraqis, especially from the sight of an M1A or the cockpit of a Warthog.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, the line of thinking was probably like "Well, that's not a US vehicle since I've seen them thousands of times during training, so let's light'er up."

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"It's got orange missiles on the top"
                >Orange is literally the colour they were using to identify friendlies
                >"Ok I'm goooona BRRRT anyway"
                I hope that pilot feels guilt his entire life for that fuck up, honestly he even doubted himself before pulling the trigger and being also doubted by his wingman, but both did it anyway.
                Fucking retards.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The downside of this is that they will be turned to flaming wrecks by just about anything heavier than a PKM
        99% of Russian transport vehicles in this war have weaker defense, so it's downside is actually upside

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      good value for money I guess
      where are they getting them from?

      CVR(T)s are actually a perfect choice, with all the mud they’ll have to deal with. Those things did great in the Falklands. Although their armor isn’t great, they give good off road capabilities that things like civilian cars and bmps would get stuck doing.

      The danger is drop-in replacements for large assemblies. So, replacing final drives, engines, suspension units, hydraulics maybe optics and gun depending on how far those go it is just not economic to be re-engineering for one of these things. When they die there will be a cannibal pile to pick from and if not there its over for that vehicle. No one is back engineering stuff last produced in Leyland Motors in the 1970s.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Leyland in the 70s
        You are now aware BAE still makes parts and modernises cvrt vehicles. The newest Scimitar (mk2 upgraded armour, optics etc) in the UKs inventory is from 2014 and the Latvian cvrts are made with new hulls.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > US$5.5m to buy 50 ex-British Army FV103 Spartans,
          You're forgetting the level of cost exigency in this situation Anon it isn't exactly a defense procurement

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The UK has literally thousands of cvrts that will be out of service soon, they have tons and tons of spares for this particular vehicle that I'm sure they will hand over. They have already given them 120 cvrt including spares and recovery vehicles so the extra 50 will just compliment that.
            I'm not the guy in your green text either, I was just telling you that BAE still make and supply parts to cvrt users.

            Stormer have starstreak? Based if so MANPADS are my fetish. Stinger receives the bulk of my autism but I love watching videos of starstreak wrecking drones from whatever comfy TV display the Ukrainians have been using to fire them

            Yeh, Stormer HVM made for starstreak but also can load Martlet (LMM) missiles too. See picrel 5 Martlets and 3 Starstreak. Another thing about the Martlet and Starstreak on the Stormer, you can engage vehicles too.
            https://nitter.it/UAWeapons/status/1587795318799835136#m
            That is a video of it in action in Ukraine.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Neat thanks

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you can engage vehicles too.
              Very annoying in Wargame when your AA is out of ammo because they decided they'd rather yeet some BMPs

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/cVi7kB9.jpg

              >Leyland in the 70s
              You are now aware BAE still makes parts and modernises cvrt vehicles. The newest Scimitar (mk2 upgraded armour, optics etc) in the UKs inventory is from 2014 and the Latvian cvrts are made with new hulls.

              This particular BAE capability isn't exactly a good thing. Sum result of the Warrior fuckup plus recent backlash against light and wheeled AFVs, not wrong but whatever. There remains the question of why million-dollar-plus deep refurbishment on forty-year-old $110,000 surplus foreign vehicles.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >This particular BAE capability isn't exactly a good thing.

                What the fuck are you talking about ESL idiot?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Stormer have starstreak? Based if so MANPADS are my fetish. Stinger receives the bulk of my autism but I love watching videos of starstreak wrecking drones from whatever comfy TV display the Ukrainians have been using to fire them

              Some pics of Stormer HVM

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                Anonymous
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                Anonymous
  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    good value for money I guess
    where are they getting them from?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.mod-sales.com/ probably

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/,37,/94158/CVRT.htm
        Im actually curious how much one costs

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because there are just so many countries left in Europe where there are reserves of vehicles that can be repaired into fighting condition.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans
    They checked their couch cushions I guess

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >not on credit or for British money but on their own cost
      It was crowd funded. A Uke comedian started the whole thing off but donors were international as well as Ukrainian.
      There were UK companies donating to it.

      >They checked their couch cushions I guess
      See above.

      It's probably the only shitbox aviable that can be delivered fast and doesn't cost fortune. Just a guess.

      >It's probably the only shitbox aviable that can be delivered fast and doesn't cost fortune. Just a guess.
      There were a batch of 50 milsurp in private hands already I think and they got sold off to Ukraine instead of whatever was going to be done with them. Total price $5.5m.

      https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/,37,/94158/CVRT.htm
      Im actually curious how much one costs

      50 were $5.5m apparently.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There were a batch of 50 milsurp in private hands already I think and they got sold off to Ukraine instead of whatever was going to be done with them. Total price $5.5m.
        That is pretty much scrap metal value. Metal recycling companies are pretty much only ones buying military equipment in bulk unless we are talking about forklifts or other similar civilian machinery that is painted green and can be easily repurposed to civilian uses.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >110k for a mini-APC

        Worth it? Someone redpill me on what the Spartan's strengths and weaknesses are from the perspective of Ukraine.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          strength: exists
          weakness: might not work

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Light, tracked vehicle that is stupidly fast and might just float above the mud during mud season. Combine these with bushmasters and you have very long ranged do anything platforms in wheeled and tracked for maximum deeeeeeeeeep raaaaaaaaid.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They are a very light, very fast tracked recce vehicle. Go pretty much anywhere. All bongs who have worked with them love them.

          Downside is they are quite old now and the armour is quite week.

          Good for arty observation, recce and quickly deploying ATGM & manpad teams before running away.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Weak
            Week is 7 days.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >A Uke comedian started the whole thing off

        Jesus christ I wish we had comedians like the Ukrainians.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You don't like the 30th drumpf joke of the night instead of actual humor?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >US comedians: In the face of totalitarianism, become boring current affairs

            >Ukraine comedians: In the face of totalitarianism, become president/ Head the armed forces/ Secure material

            But is it really satire?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Lib comedians purchasing armour en masse
              That alternate universe would have been interesting

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry to break your bubble but Selenski was peak lib in his comedy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >In the face of totalitarianism, become president/ Head the armed forces/ Secure material
              He banned anti-semitism and is trying to legalize gay marriage. He's no different than the leftist neo-marxist "totalitarians" in the US.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As notes, it was a crowd-funded purchase, and the reason the funding went towards buying more Spartans is because the British already gave the Ukrainians 120 Spartans back in April, so the training/logistical pipeline for them is already in place.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    CVR(T)s are actually a perfect choice, with all the mud they’ll have to deal with. Those things did great in the Falklands. Although their armor isn’t great, they give good off road capabilities that things like civilian cars and bmps would get stuck doing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They're also ideal for the hit-and-run specialist warfare the Ukrainians favor. Spartan or Sultan is the perfect size to deliver a MANPADS or ATGM team into an unexpected position, then quickly relocate them after a successful ambush and before the inevitable artillery response. Shockingly fast too, M18 Hellcat-tier off-road mobility.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The CVRT is perfection as far as cold war light armoured vehicles go. They are also fantastic in mud and snow - they were the only tracked vehicles able to move around the boggy peatlands of the falkland islands.

      This, tbh, it's the perfect vehicle for mud season

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >on their own cost
    Yeah sure bro.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >In just nine hours, the Prytula Foundation raised $5.5m from private donors to buy 50 FV103 Spartans used by the British Army
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/03/a-joke-that-went-out-of-control-crowdfunding-weapons-for-ukraines-war

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >At other times, the campaigns simply react to events by channelling a sudden surge of anger or frustration. When Elon Musk, the world’s richest man, tweeted his ideas about how to end the war in Ukraine, there was widespread outrage at the suggestion that the country’s territory should be bartered away.
      >“We decided, OK, people are so angry and we can convert this anger into something helpful,” said Pysarenko. “And we announced a fundraiser to buy a history textbook for Musk on Twitter. And you know, in an hour, we had 1m Ukrainian hryvnia (£24,000) donated to our accounts, and we’re like, OK, so we have enough money, literally to buy textbooks but also to buy a supply of radio stations for one unit.”

      Meme warfare is fucking real.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Very telling that they didn’t buy warrior

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very telling that they didn't buy the worst Korean trash you're always peddling

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very telling that they didn't buy the worst Korean trash you're always peddling

      Warriortard leave, your samefagging is atrocious in every bong thread.

      https://i.imgur.com/MThH3uj.jpg

      [...]
      Have you seen this one before? It has a Ukrainian turret.

      Holy shit I love it, but also what the fuck is that lmao

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians, what is your profession? XD

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That thing looks really small, like a super Wiesel.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why arent we just giving Ukraine our Strykers. I hear they are kinda shit especially the AGS in its role, but they are serviceable and we have a fuckton of them. We are getting rid of them anyway so why are we allowing them to buy Britcuck shit.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because You dont have to bring it in to get the emissions checked every year like US armor vehicles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      now that is a beautiful cab

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who wouldn't want the Twingo of the armoured world? Just look at it! It's so happy and enthusiastic.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mother fucker bitch have you seen how fast these things are 60mph+

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a basic small apc
    >civvies can buy them for £25k
    >967 built
    I don't think there's anything special about it, it's just cheap and available immediately in large numbers.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's really fast and light. Need the mine layer version too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't think there's anything special about it, it's just cheap and available immediately in large numbers.

      Hey, Ukraine.

      Everyone who had them are putting their AMX 13's and 30's in reserve atm too.
      There's over a thousand AMX 13's still in existence. They're fucking light on the mud as well.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >They didnt buy wiesels
    WHAT THE FUCK UKRAINE I WANTED TO SEE WIESEL CHAN TOKYO DRIFT SOME T72 moronS BUT INSTEAD YOU BOUGHT BONG TRASH

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wiesel and CVRT aren't quite analogous.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What could have been

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We could have had a 75mm cannon on this fucker
      It hurts bros

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/FB9SZUT.jpg

        >What could have been

        Have you seen this one before? It has a Ukrainian turret.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >air defence
        >has an M40 on it
        I'm not sure that's going to be very effective

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Picrel will be it's intended use I guess, especially with all this shitty weather due.
    Here is a video of the Latvians using there's.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are these better armored than the m113? Are they getting any variants with turrets?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They have some scimitar (turret) and the Stormer hvm (aa) the rest are just apcs with a machine gun you can fire from inside.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Stormer have starstreak? Based if so MANPADS are my fetish. Stinger receives the bulk of my autism but I love watching videos of starstreak wrecking drones from whatever comfy TV display the Ukrainians have been using to fire them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They are similarly vulnerable, but they are smaller and nimbler than the Gavin, so better suited for shoot and scoot/ambush operations. They won't get too many Scimitars as they're not particularly good.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t they have a 30mm cannon? Even if it’s the same non stabilized gun as the warrior that’s still a good gun/round.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You know if we call it the Gavin ironically Mike wins, right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Scimitars are excellent wtf are you talking about lol how many 7 ton recce vehicles have gone toe to toe with T62s and won?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Is there a case of that happening? How did they do it? 30mm to the side armor?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not that I can find

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >In Iraq 1991 a troop of Scimitars from 16th/5th The Queen’s Royal Lancers engaged and knocked out Iraqi T-62(s), penetrating their frontal armour with sabot rounds
              Did you look?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >did you look
                Nope just guessed. I knew you would do the work for me. Thanks though that’s a neat bit of history

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeh side armour mostly but there are reports of it frontally penning a T62s or 55s in the Gulf war I'll find the links and post them. Picrel is from Iraq 2003 I think 5 Iraqi tanks were taken out in total by the 30mm.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Here's another I have more but I'm phone posting so trying to find them is a pain. A Striker if you didn't know is a cvrt just with atgms.

            Somewhere out there is an anon with vast knowledge on the cvrt I'm hoping he shows up he knew the new Thermals in the Scimi mk2 were better than the Challenger 2s

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >They are similarly vulnerable
        They use an aluminium-zinc alloy that is a bit tougher than the M113's armour. You still wouldn't want to be caught in one but at the end of the day it is a recce vehicle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Front armor is resistant to 14.5mm from 200m and side armor 7.62mm AP from 200m as well

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >7.62mm

        This isn't sufficient information, 7.62 what

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good thread

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ebin thrad

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Love these little buggers like you wouldn't believe, hopefully we'll get some Stormers as well after they've shown their worth in Ukraine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for making the cool video

      Picrel will be it's intended use I guess, especially with all this shitty weather due.
      Here is a video of the Latvians using there's.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And here's one doing some PR work

        they were a pretty hard sell to the public at first (mostly because of age, but there were some smartasses that were asking why we didn't bother with actual tanks instead of the scimitars), but with time it seems the same general public has warmed up to them since they just work in our terrain

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

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