>Ukraine just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans
>not on credit or for British money but on their own cost
Why is British armor is so much superior than anyone else that people actually want to buy it?
>Ukraine just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans
>not on credit or for British money but on their own cost
Why is British armor is so much superior than anyone else that people actually want to buy it?
I guess Ukraine loses now
Because CVR(T) is a fantastic platform. It's fast, just werks and has extremely low ground pressure so it can operate off road in the raspubreastsa.
As far as I'm aware they bought the ambulance variant which is great for speedy CASEVACs
>Why is British armor is so much superior than anyone else that people actually want to buy it?
What is the tactical advantage of shilling on an english language forum if you don't know how to speak english?
shill to whom exactly?
>protip, you're moronic
me tbh
now i want a CVR(T) for speedy CASEVACs
me too tbh, though i don't need a shill to want one
>Those fuel cans.
Petroleum canisters do not explode when shot you fricking redditfugee
It's probably the only shitbox aviable that can be delivered fast and doesn't cost fortune. Just a guess.
Just to make a Spartans vs Persians joke
It's the perfect vehicle when the vatniks start coolapsing and abandooning
Advance Wars looking ass.
I love it
rushka needs to lose so we can get our fricking remake
Its a nifty little do-anything platform and there's a bunch of them going for dirt cheap since they're being retired. Not world shattering, but certainly very useful for Ukraine's current situation.
Cuz they invented it.
And they perfected it so that no living man could best them in the ring of honor
>Cuz they invented it.
>And they perfected it so that no living man could best them in the ring of honor
Ah, men of culture, I tip my 3 hats to you, sirs.
The answer is pretty simple and obvious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel
The CVRT is perfection as far as cold war light armoured vehicles go. They are also fantastic in mud and snow - they were the only tracked vehicles able to move around the boggy peatlands of the falkland islands.
>The CVRT is perfection as far as cold war light armoured vehicles go. They are also fantastic in mud and snow - they were the only tracked vehicles able to move around the boggy peatlands of the falkland islands.
The downside of this is that they will be turned to flaming wrecks by just about anything heavier than a PKM. On Russian forums they are lamenting the poor armor of their BMPs and praise German IFVs or tank conversions as the shit we should have.
As mentioned their extremely light weight means they're less prone to being bogged down, extremely fast too for a tracked APC. Perfect for carting around Stugna teams in the middle of winter.
I doubt they'll be used to support regular infantry units though. If they do they're stupid as per
Then again if that's all they can get I suppose it'll have to do wont it?
>I doubt they'll be used to support regular infantry units though.
Why do you say stupid shit like this.
Ukes assault with everything and anything that works. For every Bushmaster there's five collections of RAV4, Hilux and LandCruiser.
Fair point on the Armour, its rated for 14.5mm to the front and everything above a PKM firing AP will pen the sides.
Their has been two instances where a Scimitar was hit by a sabot from a tank (M1A1 and a T62) and the round just went straight through miraculously not killing anyone.
You can buy them here for £50kish. Used to be alot cheaper before the war though like £25k.
https://tanks-alot.co.uk/product/cvrt-sabre-eaw950-50000-plus-vat/
This is exactly how we use them (Latvia too) specifically for carrying round AT teams or any specialist team really. I'm pretty sure we got rid of the Stormer cvrt in favour of the FV103 + Javelin team.
Would be nice to send them some Striker and Sheilder cvrt if we still have them.
>Two instances where a Scimitar was hit by a sabot from a tank (M1A1 and a T62) and the round just went straight through miraculously not killing anyone.
Lmao
CVRT is literally my favourite tank after watching people bounce around in it in the top of the turret in some muddy field on some video at like 50mph casually
>in some muddy field on some video at like 50mph casually
Then contrast it with this lmao
I'm sorry I actually lied there, it wasn't a Scimitar it was a Scorpion so came thing but different. Here it's the one hit by the M1A1 see picrel.
>They had stopped to take the surrender of Iraqi troops, when one Scorpion was hit in the front by a round from a US M1 tank, firing from about 1500 m to the north. The driver escaped without injury, but a soldier walking alongside received shrapnel wounds.
It was a Scimitar that was hit by a T55 though
>One Scimitar was engaged and hit by an Iraqi T-55 and the penetrating round passed through the thin aluminium armour without injuring the crew.
Scorpion is such a happy looking cvrt
Sorry 1990s bongs, you guys just have a stunning resemblance to Iraqis, especially from the sight of an M1A or the wienerpit of a Warthog.
To be fair, the line of thinking was probably like "Well, that's not a US vehicle since I've seen them thousands of times during training, so let's light'er up."
>"It's got orange missiles on the top"
>Orange is literally the colour they were using to identify friendlies
>"Ok I'm goooona BRRRT anyway"
I hope that pilot feels guilt his entire life for that frick up, honestly he even doubted himself before pulling the trigger and being also doubted by his wingman, but both did it anyway.
Fricking morons.
>The downside of this is that they will be turned to flaming wrecks by just about anything heavier than a PKM
99% of Russian transport vehicles in this war have weaker defense, so it's downside is actually upside
The danger is drop-in replacements for large assemblies. So, replacing final drives, engines, suspension units, hydraulics maybe optics and gun depending on how far those go it is just not economic to be re-engineering for one of these things. When they die there will be a cannibal pile to pick from and if not there its over for that vehicle. No one is back engineering stuff last produced in Leyland Motors in the 1970s.
>Leyland in the 70s
You are now aware BAE still makes parts and modernises cvrt vehicles. The newest Scimitar (mk2 upgraded armour, optics etc) in the UKs inventory is from 2014 and the Latvian cvrts are made with new hulls.
> US$5.5m to buy 50 ex-British Army FV103 Spartans,
You're forgetting the level of cost exigency in this situation Anon it isn't exactly a defense procurement
The UK has literally thousands of cvrts that will be out of service soon, they have tons and tons of spares for this particular vehicle that I'm sure they will hand over. They have already given them 120 cvrt including spares and recovery vehicles so the extra 50 will just compliment that.
I'm not the guy in your green text either, I was just telling you that BAE still make and supply parts to cvrt users.
Yeh, Stormer HVM made for starstreak but also can load Martlet (LMM) missiles too. See picrel 5 Martlets and 3 Starstreak. Another thing about the Martlet and Starstreak on the Stormer, you can engage vehicles too.
https://nitter.it/UAWeapons/status/1587795318799835136#m
That is a video of it in action in Ukraine.
Neat thanks
>you can engage vehicles too.
Very annoying in Wargame when your AA is out of ammo because they decided they'd rather yeet some BMPs
This particular BAE capability isn't exactly a good thing. Sum result of the Warrior frickup plus recent backlash against light and wheeled AFVs, not wrong but whatever. There remains the question of why million-dollar-plus deep refurbishment on forty-year-old $110,000 surplus foreign vehicles.
What?
>This particular BAE capability isn't exactly a good thing.
What the frick are you talking about ESL idiot?
Some pics of Stormer HVM
good value for money I guess
where are they getting them from?
https://www.mod-sales.com/ probably
https://www.mod-sales.com/direct/vehicle/,37,/94158/CVRT.htm
Im actually curious how much one costs
Because there are just so many countries left in Europe where there are reserves of vehicles that can be repaired into fighting condition.
just gathered money to buy 60 Spartans
They checked their couch cushions I guess
>not on credit or for British money but on their own cost
It was crowd funded. A Uke comedian started the whole thing off but donors were international as well as Ukrainian.
There were UK companies donating to it.
>They checked their couch cushions I guess
See above.
>It's probably the only shitbox aviable that can be delivered fast and doesn't cost fortune. Just a guess.
There were a batch of 50 milsurp in private hands already I think and they got sold off to Ukraine instead of whatever was going to be done with them. Total price $5.5m.
50 were $5.5m apparently.
>There were a batch of 50 milsurp in private hands already I think and they got sold off to Ukraine instead of whatever was going to be done with them. Total price $5.5m.
That is pretty much scrap metal value. Metal recycling companies are pretty much only ones buying military equipment in bulk unless we are talking about forklifts or other similar civilian machinery that is painted green and can be easily repurposed to civilian uses.
>110k for a mini-APC
Worth it? Someone redpill me on what the Spartan's strengths and weaknesses are from the perspective of Ukraine.
strength: exists
weakness: might not work
Light, tracked vehicle that is stupidly fast and might just float above the mud during mud season. Combine these with bushmasters and you have very long ranged do anything platforms in wheeled and tracked for maximum deeeeeeeeeep raaaaaaaaid.
They are a very light, very fast tracked recce vehicle. Go pretty much anywhere. All bongs who have worked with them love them.
Downside is they are quite old now and the armour is quite week.
Good for arty observation, recce and quickly deploying ATGM & manpad teams before running away.
Weak
Week is 7 days.
>A Uke comedian started the whole thing off
Jesus christ I wish we had comedians like the Ukrainians.
You don't like the 30th drumpf joke of the night instead of actual humor?
>US comedians: In the face of totalitarianism, become boring current affairs
>Ukraine comedians: In the face of totalitarianism, become president/ Head the armed forces/ Secure material
But is it really satire?
>Lib comedians purchasing armour en masse
That alternate universe would have been interesting
Sorry to break your bubble but Selenski was peak lib in his comedy.
>In the face of totalitarianism, become president/ Head the armed forces/ Secure material
He banned anti-semitism and is trying to legalize gay marriage. He's no different than the leftist neo-marxist "totalitarians" in the US.
As notes, it was a crowd-funded purchase, and the reason the funding went towards buying more Spartans is because the British already gave the Ukrainians 120 Spartans back in April, so the training/logistical pipeline for them is already in place.
CVR(T)s are actually a perfect choice, with all the mud they’ll have to deal with. Those things did great in the Falklands. Although their armor isn’t great, they give good off road capabilities that things like civilian cars and bmps would get stuck doing.
They're also ideal for the hit-and-run specialist warfare the Ukrainians favor. Spartan or Sultan is the perfect size to deliver a MANPADS or ATGM team into an unexpected position, then quickly relocate them after a successful ambush and before the inevitable artillery response. Shockingly fast too, M18 Hellcat-tier off-road mobility.
This, tbh, it's the perfect vehicle for mud season
>on their own cost
Yeah sure bro.
>In just nine hours, the Prytula Foundation raised $5.5m from private donors to buy 50 FV103 Spartans used by the British Army
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/03/a-joke-that-went-out-of-control-crowdfunding-weapons-for-ukraines-war
>At other times, the campaigns simply react to events by channelling a sudden surge of anger or frustration. When Elon Musk, the world’s richest man, tweeted his ideas about how to end the war in Ukraine, there was widespread outrage at the suggestion that the country’s territory should be bartered away.
>“We decided, OK, people are so angry and we can convert this anger into something helpful,” said Pysarenko. “And we announced a fundraiser to buy a history textbook for Musk on Twitter. And you know, in an hour, we had 1m Ukrainian hryvnia (£24,000) donated to our accounts, and we’re like, OK, so we have enough money, literally to buy textbooks but also to buy a supply of radio stations for one unit.”
Meme warfare is fricking real.
Very telling that they didn’t buy warrior
Very telling that they didn't buy the worst Korean trash you're always peddling
Warriortard leave, your samegayging is atrocious in every bong thread.
Holy shit I love it, but also what the frick is that lmao
Ukrainians, what is your profession? XD
That thing looks really small, like a super Wiesel.
Why arent we just giving Ukraine our Strykers. I hear they are kinda shit especially the AGS in its role, but they are serviceable and we have a frickton of them. We are getting rid of them anyway so why are we allowing them to buy Britcuck shit.
Because You dont have to bring it in to get the emissions checked every year like US armor vehicles
now that is a beautiful cab
Who wouldn't want the Twingo of the armoured world? Just look at it! It's so happy and enthusiastic.
Mother fricker b***h have you seen how fast these things are 60mph+
>a basic small apc
>civvies can buy them for £25k
>967 built
I don't think there's anything special about it, it's just cheap and available immediately in large numbers.
It's really fast and light. Need the mine layer version too.
>I don't think there's anything special about it, it's just cheap and available immediately in large numbers.
Hey, Ukraine.
Everyone who had them are putting their AMX 13's and 30's in reserve atm too.
There's over a thousand AMX 13's still in existence. They're fricking light on the mud as well.
>They didnt buy wiesels
WHAT THE FRICK UKRAINE I WANTED TO SEE WIESEL CHAN TOKYO DRIFT SOME T72 Black folk BUT INSTEAD YOU BOUGHT BONG TRASH
Wiesel and CVRT aren't quite analogous.
>What could have been
>We could have had a 75mm cannon on this fricker
It hurts bros
Have you seen this one before? It has a Ukrainian turret.
>air defence
>has an M40 on it
I'm not sure that's going to be very effective
Picrel will be it's intended use I guess, especially with all this shitty weather due.
Here is a video of the Latvians using there's.
Are these better armored than the m113? Are they getting any variants with turrets?
They have some scimitar (turret) and the Stormer hvm (aa) the rest are just apcs with a machine gun you can fire from inside.
Stormer have starstreak? Based if so MANPADS are my fetish. Stinger receives the bulk of my autism but I love watching videos of starstreak wrecking drones from whatever comfy TV display the Ukrainians have been using to fire them
They are similarly vulnerable, but they are smaller and nimbler than the Gavin, so better suited for shoot and scoot/ambush operations. They won't get too many Scimitars as they're not particularly good.
Don’t they have a 30mm cannon? Even if it’s the same non stabilized gun as the warrior that’s still a good gun/round.
You know if we call it the Gavin ironically Mike wins, right?
Scimitars are excellent wtf are you talking about lol how many 7 ton recce vehicles have gone toe to toe with T62s and won?
Is there a case of that happening? How did they do it? 30mm to the side armor?
Not that I can find
>In Iraq 1991 a troop of Scimitars from 16th/5th The Queen’s Royal Lancers engaged and knocked out Iraqi T-62(s), penetrating their frontal armour with sabot rounds
Did you look?
>did you look
Nope just guessed. I knew you would do the work for me. Thanks though that’s a neat bit of history
Yeh side armour mostly but there are reports of it frontally penning a T62s or 55s in the Gulf war I'll find the links and post them. Picrel is from Iraq 2003 I think 5 Iraqi tanks were taken out in total by the 30mm.
Here's another I have more but I'm phone posting so trying to find them is a pain. A Striker if you didn't know is a cvrt just with atgms.
Somewhere out there is an anon with vast knowledge on the cvrt I'm hoping he shows up he knew the new Thermals in the Scimi mk2 were better than the Challenger 2s
>They are similarly vulnerable
They use an aluminium-zinc alloy that is a bit tougher than the M113's armour. You still wouldn't want to be caught in one but at the end of the day it is a recce vehicle
Front armor is resistant to 14.5mm from 200m and side armor 7.62mm AP from 200m as well
>7.62mm
This isn't sufficient information, 7.62 what
Good thread
ebin thrad
Love these little buggers like you wouldn't believe, hopefully we'll get some Stormers as well after they've shown their worth in Ukraine
Thanks for making the cool video
And here's one doing some PR work
they were a pretty hard sell to the public at first (mostly because of age, but there were some smartasses that were asking why we didn't bother with actual tanks instead of the scimitars), but with time it seems the same general public has warmed up to them since they just work in our terrain