How was Russia ever considered a near-peer competitor when they can't even achieve air superiority against a nobody commie-bloc statement after four freakin' months?!
Ruskie bros... what happened?
How was Russia ever considered a near-peer competitor when they can't even achieve air superiority against a nobody commie-bloc statement after four freakin' months?!
Ruskie bros... what happened?
Turns out an air force is incredibly expensive.
you can't buy a Lürssen yacht and rockets at the same time
well yacht is clearly more important, don't you agree?
>Post Soviet Collapse Brain-Drain followed immediately by:
>Putin's rise to power led to the younger generations seeking a better life over in the west which only exasperated Russia's Brain-Drain issue to the Nth degree
>Russia's economy had never recovered to the point where a modern airforce was feasible (or modern anything for most of Russia for that matter)
>Russia's industrial sector had gone the way of the soviet union and never came back to the level necessary for the post-soviet state to catch up and maintain parity with the west.
Air space denial is cheap and easy, SEAD and air supremacy is hard.
The US got raped in Vietnam by advanced air defenses so hard they had to create and master SEAD doctrine. Also no one else has really gone up against such thick air defenses as 91 Iraq and Vietnam who also had a military's with an Air focused doctrine.
The US utterly shattered NVA’s air defenses and by the end of Linebacker 2 they didn’t even try to shoot at US planes. But, it’s true that this was accomplished with a lot of effort and a handful of losses.
Every VF and VA squadron commander on Enterprise's maiden war cruise was KIA when they got back to San Diego. 100%. The entire operational inventory of Thuds was lost in the war, and it was the most numerous US fast mover going into the conflict. We own the sky now but the price was paid in blood.
this doesn't contradict anything he said
>We
kys, vatBlack person
>Handful of losses
>Equivalent to losing every F-16 currently in the inventory
>Handful of losses
>Doesn't disprove anything!
Yeah I'm a vatBlack person that's why I have a G1 on my coat rack and 4 blue bound logbooks on my bookcase next to a photo of the JOPA from my nugget squadron. You caught me.
yes i'm olegx from ohio oblast and a vietnam veteran, F-105 is totally like F-22 and russian stronk missiles totally work and america is finished!
Get to a hospital, you are having a stroke. Have someone drive you, and this sounds odd but lay down if you can and put your head in a bucket or cooler of ice water if possible so the brain damage does not get worse.
Do it now, literally every second counts. I hope you make it, anon.
2 more weeks comrade
it was hard and expensive, but with drones like tacit rainbow/israeli copy it can be made easy. just exhaust their point defense systems and it's game over for them, and in case of russia it's even easier because they can't effectively shoot them down to begin with.
>Wastes your anti radiation weapons.
>doesn't work because vatBlack folk cannot into electronics and a western toaster is 50 years ahead of them in technology
>The US got raped in Vietnam by advanced air defenses
Fake news. Most aircraft losses in Vietnam were from not so advanced AAA.
it's not entirely fake because risk of SAM forced a lot of aircraft to fly low and increase the risk of exposure to aaa
>it's not entirely fake because risk of SAM forced a lot of aircraft to fly low
Another fake news invented by vatniks do advertise thier supposed wundervaffen SAMs.
In areas with SAM threat flights were at about 15000-20000 feet altitude, still above AAA ceiling and at this altitude planes had good maneuverability to dodge SAM missiles. Most losses from AAA were during target attacks when planes were forced to close on target for accuracy. In Vietnam regions were commies didn't have SAMs losses from AAA were about the same.
huh, didn't know that. neat
Black person North Vietnam resorted to only turning on their radars in VERY limited circumstances and for short periods of time for a fricking reason, and that reason was the shrike
Floods of cheap-as-dirt surplus MANPADs and a trickle of moderately well-deployed longer-range weapons. Russia doesn't want to risk the loss of expensive aircraft trying to destroy weapon systems NATO has literally written off. Unfortunately you'd have to put them in harms way to even try getting a shot at the longer range stuff (and with NATO sigint and radar on the border they will see you before you see them), and HARM missiles are wildly impractical against MANPADs.
All the tried and tested methods don't really cut it here.
The obvious answer would be precision-guided cruise bombs, except they tried that day one, and their targetting intel was weeks out of date, failing to hit the right places. Now Ukraine is actively trying to prevent such targetting, so it's even harder to get useful timely locations to hit.
My understanding is that the current doctrine for air defence is to literally never stop moving. They just drive, stopping only for a handful of minutes to refuel, and then return to driving around the clock in shifts. They get radioed if they need to stop and go on alert but otherwise they just drive.
most big air defense systems cannot fire on the move, so your understanding is incorrect. only lightweight systems that provide miniscule cover are made to do that.
>cannot fire on the move
Yeah that's why you have someone doing spotting who tells them when to stop and set up.
so basically not "literally never stop moving"
Yeah sure.
Turns out you can't have a world-class military while you have a second-rate civilian population.
>nobody commie-bloc
One they beat the crap out of in the 2014 sneak attack.
In the area of their interest they do as they please in the air but you know this don't you? This is another butthurt-12-year-old tier post on /k/.
PS - Turns out the Kherson counter-offensive was BS, the 2000 Russian troops surrounded was BS...and pretty much everything stated by Ukraine since the war started is BS.
>We didn't NEED air supremacy over Ukraine
>It's not in our interest to have air superiority
>But what about the ghost of KIIIIV
Is it also not in your interest to have sex with women?
>Is it also not in your interest to have sex with women?
Yes because his bumhole is only for his churka masters
dude...nobody buys into what comes out of Ukraine anymore, it's BS after BS. Deal with it.
Yeah, it was definitely a feint around Keef, sure.
>It's all bullshit
>None of the westerners trust their media
>Rossiya 1 said so
Ok, brat. Ponemayu.
Russia thought that giving their pilots less than 30 flight hours a year was enough to keep them proficient in complex air operations. Turns out that in order to be good at air ops, you need a huge investment in training, like how the US does something like 4 Red Flag exercises every year that simulate complex aerial operations with live firings
To be frank, I never considered the Russians to be peer to anything but fricken... Poland, I guess. Even that was an overestimation.
Russia's air doctrine and technology is badly outdated, and their pilots are beyond shitty. They never got enough flight hours to actually be combat effective, and often had to take side gigs just to keep their hours up enough to be qualified.
Russian doctrine never seemed to have figured out effective Close Air Support, either. While any American squad can have a big frickoff bomb dropped on some dickhead within five minutes, Russia's top-down structure means that their men's requests have to filter up the command chain, get lost in the bureaucracy, get found again, get authorised, someone gets loaded with bombs at base (no loitering assets), handed a fricking HAND-WRITTEN NOTE with coordinates written on it, and then they fly over and mindlessly drop some dumb bombs in the vague vicinity of that location. Never mind that whatever they're trying to hit has most likely buggered off by then, and if they *are* still there, the bombs probably missed.
A HARM has never attacked a phased array radar in combat.
why the cope infographic spam, vatBlack person? None of your shit works
These are the automated chaff and smoke dispensers.
>a handful of losses.
18 B-52s
USAF has big hands
The managed to wipe out most of the Ukranian Air force leaving them just with a skeleton force in the western half of the country unable to interfere with the eastern front: https://youtu.be/Y1urPMMB77c?t=918
yes 999999% of oinkrainian air force was destroyed in the first 0.001 milisecond after the war started, trust the plan
>The managed to wipe out most of the Ukranian Air force
>Leaving them just with a skeleton force in the western half of the country
>Unable to interfere with the eastern front
Can you fricking read?
The Soviet/Russian doctrine has always been to weaken the enemy air capabilities so the ground force can do Its job, their air force was never meant to win the war singlehandedly unlike the western air forces.
has their docrine of anything ever worked? Just because you do something stupid with determination and practice doesn't make it smart.
There are no Ukranian planes flying in Donbass and carrying airstrikes on Russian and separatist positions right now right? They can only operate in the western half of the country and still all they do is fly low and lob unguided rockets using their planes as flying rocket artillery because of the Russian SAMs
Both sides are flying low and spraying & praying because of the threat of AA. Almost everything misses its target.
The Vietnam special military operation produced 6 American aces and 17 North Vietnamese aces.
It also produced 0 american casualties on the ground from the vietnamese air strikes, which is zero for every million tons of bombs dropped over north vietnam.
The USAF could afford to rotate pilots, the Vietnamese could not.
The USAF has the last confirmed cannon kill at super sonic speeds, Some F-14 phantom pilot in a dogfight with a MIG.
InB4 "muh political interference prevented the US from winning a air war in Vietnam."
are you having a stroke, vatbro?
By American reasoning the Vietnamese people should have given up the day the first bombs were dropped in the Democratic People's Republic of Vietnam since they have such a small tiny industry and America has such a big one.
is this "american reasoning" in the room with us, schizo vatbro?
>The USAF could afford to rotate pilots
Rotate all the way down. 25% of F-105s were destroyed before completing their rotation of 100 missions.
so were Mig-21s, except these weren't shot down by anti air
i missed your point in all this inept seethe
>How was Russia ever considered a near-peer competitor when they can't even achieve air superiority
do you understand what air superiority means anon?
you're mistaken, russian doctrine is practicing air inferiority in their conflicts, they've been doing their best to keep it up
>Ruskie bros... what happened?
Spend all cruise missiles on kindergartens, hospitals, city malls.
Once you lose, you tend to keep losing
Overestimating Russian capabilities was a business model of ‚experts‘ and think tanks.
Those people were also who also thrashtalked China because that was bad for business, which means we are years behind in getting the necessary capacities in the Pacific