UKR Air War

How was Russia ever considered a near-peer competitor when they can't even achieve air superiority against a nobody commie-bloc statement after four freakin' months?!

Ruskie bros... what happened?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out an air force is incredibly expensive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you can't buy a Lürssen yacht and rockets at the same time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well yacht is clearly more important, don't you agree?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Post Soviet Collapse Brain-Drain followed immediately by:
    >Putin's rise to power led to the younger generations seeking a better life over in the west which only exasperated Russia's Brain-Drain issue to the Nth degree
    >Russia's economy had never recovered to the point where a modern airforce was feasible (or modern anything for most of Russia for that matter)
    >Russia's industrial sector had gone the way of the soviet union and never came back to the level necessary for the post-soviet state to catch up and maintain parity with the west.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Air space denial is cheap and easy, SEAD and air supremacy is hard.
    The US got raped in Vietnam by advanced air defenses so hard they had to create and master SEAD doctrine. Also no one else has really gone up against such thick air defenses as 91 Iraq and Vietnam who also had a military's with an Air focused doctrine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US utterly shattered NVA’s air defenses and by the end of Linebacker 2 they didn’t even try to shoot at US planes. But, it’s true that this was accomplished with a lot of effort and a handful of losses.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every VF and VA squadron commander on Enterprise's maiden war cruise was KIA when they got back to San Diego. 100%. The entire operational inventory of Thuds was lost in the war, and it was the most numerous US fast mover going into the conflict. We own the sky now but the price was paid in blood.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this doesn't contradict anything he said

          >We
          kys, vatmoron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Handful of losses
            >Equivalent to losing every F-16 currently in the inventory
            >Handful of losses
            >Doesn't disprove anything!

            Yeah I'm a vatmoron that's why I have a G1 on my coat rack and 4 blue bound logbooks on my bookcase next to a photo of the JOPA from my nugget squadron. You caught me.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes i'm olegx from ohio oblast and a vietnam veteran, F-105 is totally like F-22 and russian stronk missiles totally work and america is finished!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Get to a hospital, you are having a stroke. Have someone drive you, and this sounds odd but lay down if you can and put your head in a bucket or cooler of ice water if possible so the brain damage does not get worse.

                Do it now, literally every second counts. I hope you make it, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                2 more weeks comrade

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was hard and expensive, but with drones like tacit rainbow/gnomish copy it can be made easy. just exhaust their point defense systems and it's game over for them, and in case of russia it's even easier because they can't effectively shoot them down to begin with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wastes your anti radiation weapons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn't work because vatmorons cannot into electronics and a western toaster is 50 years ahead of them in technology

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The US got raped in Vietnam by advanced air defenses
      Fake news. Most aircraft losses in Vietnam were from not so advanced AAA.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's not entirely fake because risk of SAM forced a lot of aircraft to fly low and increase the risk of exposure to aaa

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's not entirely fake because risk of SAM forced a lot of aircraft to fly low
          Another fake news invented by vatniks do advertise thier supposed wundervaffen SAMs.
          In areas with SAM threat flights were at about 15000-20000 feet altitude, still above AAA ceiling and at this altitude planes had good maneuverability to dodge SAM missiles. Most losses from AAA were during target attacks when planes were forced to close on target for accuracy. In Vietnam regions were commies didn't have SAMs losses from AAA were about the same.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            huh, didn't know that. neat

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron North Vietnam resorted to only turning on their radars in VERY limited circumstances and for short periods of time for a fucking reason, and that reason was the shrike

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Floods of cheap-as-dirt surplus MANPADs and a trickle of moderately well-deployed longer-range weapons. Russia doesn't want to risk the loss of expensive aircraft trying to destroy weapon systems NATO has literally written off. Unfortunately you'd have to put them in harms way to even try getting a shot at the longer range stuff (and with NATO sigint and radar on the border they will see you before you see them), and HARM missiles are wildly impractical against MANPADs.
    All the tried and tested methods don't really cut it here.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The obvious answer would be precision-guided cruise bombs, except they tried that day one, and their targetting intel was weeks out of date, failing to hit the right places. Now Ukraine is actively trying to prevent such targetting, so it's even harder to get useful timely locations to hit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My understanding is that the current doctrine for air defence is to literally never stop moving. They just drive, stopping only for a handful of minutes to refuel, and then return to driving around the clock in shifts. They get radioed if they need to stop and go on alert but otherwise they just drive.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          most big air defense systems cannot fire on the move, so your understanding is incorrect. only lightweight systems that provide miniscule cover are made to do that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cannot fire on the move
            Yeah that's why you have someone doing spotting who tells them when to stop and set up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so basically not "literally never stop moving"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah sure.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turns out you can't have a world-class military while you have a second-rate civilian population.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >nobody commie-bloc
    One they beat the crap out of in the 2014 sneak attack.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the area of their interest they do as they please in the air but you know this don't you? This is another butthurt-12-year-old tier post on PrepHole.

    PS - Turns out the Kherson counter-offensive was BS, the 2000 Russian troops surrounded was BS...and pretty much everything stated by Ukraine since the war started is BS.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >We didn't NEED air supremacy over Ukraine
      >It's not in our interest to have air superiority
      >But what about the ghost of KIIIIV
      Is it also not in your interest to have sex with women?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is it also not in your interest to have sex with women?
        Yes because his bumhole is only for his churka masters

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dude...nobody buys into what comes out of Ukraine anymore, it's BS after BS. Deal with it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it was definitely a feint around Keef, sure.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's all bullshit
          >None of the westerners trust their media
          >Rossiya 1 said so
          Ok, brat. Ponemayu.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia thought that giving their pilots less than 30 flight hours a year was enough to keep them proficient in complex air operations. Turns out that in order to be good at air ops, you need a huge investment in training, like how the US does something like 4 Red Flag exercises every year that simulate complex aerial operations with live firings

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be frank, I never considered the Russians to be peer to anything but fucken... Poland, I guess. Even that was an overestimation.
    Russia's air doctrine and technology is badly outdated, and their pilots are beyond shitty. They never got enough flight hours to actually be combat effective, and often had to take side gigs just to keep their hours up enough to be qualified.
    Russian doctrine never seemed to have figured out effective Close Air Support, either. While any American squad can have a big fuckoff bomb dropped on some dickhead within five minutes, Russia's top-down structure means that their men's requests have to filter up the command chain, get lost in the bureaucracy, get found again, get authorised, someone gets loaded with bombs at base (no loitering assets), handed a fucking HAND-WRITTEN NOTE with coordinates written on it, and then they fly over and mindlessly drop some dumb bombs in the vague vicinity of that location. Never mind that whatever they're trying to hit has most likely buggered off by then, and if they *are* still there, the bombs probably missed.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A HARM has never attacked a phased array radar in combat.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why the cope infographic spam, vatmoron? None of your shit works

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are the automated chaff and smoke dispensers.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a handful of losses.
    18 B-52s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      USAF has big hands

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The managed to wipe out most of the Ukranian Air force leaving them just with a skeleton force in the western half of the country unable to interfere with the eastern front: https://youtu.be/Y1urPMMB77c?t=918

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes 999999% of oinkrainian air force was destroyed in the first 0.001 milisecond after the war started, trust the plan

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The managed to wipe out most of the Ukranian Air force
        >Leaving them just with a skeleton force in the western half of the country
        >Unable to interfere with the eastern front
        Can you fucking read?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/0INV8Cd.jpg

      How was Russia ever considered a near-peer competitor when they can't even achieve air superiority against a nobody commie-bloc statement after four freakin' months?!

      Ruskie bros... what happened?

      The Soviet/Russian doctrine has always been to weaken the enemy air capabilities so the ground force can do Its job, their air force was never meant to win the war singlehandedly unlike the western air forces.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        has their docrine of anything ever worked? Just because you do something stupid with determination and practice doesn't make it smart.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are no Ukranian planes flying in Donbass and carrying airstrikes on Russian and separatist positions right now right? They can only operate in the western half of the country and still all they do is fly low and lob unguided rockets using their planes as flying rocket artillery because of the Russian SAMs

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Both sides are flying low and spraying & praying because of the threat of AA. Almost everything misses its target.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Vietnam special military operation produced 6 American aces and 17 North Vietnamese aces.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It also produced 0 american casualties on the ground from the vietnamese air strikes, which is zero for every million tons of bombs dropped over north vietnam.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The USAF could afford to rotate pilots, the Vietnamese could not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The USAF has the last confirmed cannon kill at super sonic speeds, Some F-14 phantom pilot in a dogfight with a MIG.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    InB4 "muh political interference prevented the US from winning a air war in Vietnam."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are you having a stroke, vatbro?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By American reasoning the Vietnamese people should have given up the day the first bombs were dropped in the Democratic People's Republic of Vietnam since they have such a small tiny industry and America has such a big one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is this "american reasoning" in the room with us, schizo vatbro?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The USAF could afford to rotate pilots
    Rotate all the way down. 25% of F-105s were destroyed before completing their rotation of 100 missions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so were Mig-21s, except these weren't shot down by anti air

      i missed your point in all this inept seethe

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How was Russia ever considered a near-peer competitor when they can't even achieve air superiority

    do you understand what air superiority means anon?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're mistaken, russian doctrine is practicing air inferiority in their conflicts, they've been doing their best to keep it up

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ruskie bros... what happened?

    Spend all cruise missiles on kindergartens, hospitals, city malls.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Once you lose, you tend to keep losing

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overestimating Russian capabilities was a business model of ‚experts‘ and think tanks.
    Those people were also who also thrashtalked China because that was bad for business, which means we are years behind in getting the necessary capacities in the Pacific

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