so why did the Soledar offensive stall? did they run out of meat before the defenders ran out of ammunition?

so why did the Soledar offensive stall? did they run out of meat before the defenders ran out of ammunition?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because throwing corpses at a minimally manned area meant to act as a meat grinder was eventually going to break through, there was no momentum, simply the Ukrainians stepping back to the next line of defense.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    500k more mobiks incoming
    Oinkraine is finished

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What happened to the last 300k?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Got sleepy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          feeding a poor doggo conscripts is literally animal abuse, think of how much meth, AIDs, and krokodil were in that. You may as well feed they nothing but tofu

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't worry about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what 300k?
        nato propaganda

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does russia even need extra 500 000 mobiks if only 10 000 russians soldiers have died so far?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They need 500,000 men for the victory parade.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        100K died, 100K finished their contracts/refuseniks (early in war is ok), 200K heavily wounded (EU numbers 250-300k casualties at least). Over 700K have been in Ukraine

        Left 300K in Ukraine now, of which 200K are mobiks, and another 30-40K Wagner

        of course they need another 500K without mobiks the frontlines would have collapsed months ago

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In other words, a portion of violent trained convicts has been allowed back into Vatnik society, lol. I'm "sure" they'll behave themselves, afflicted by PTSD.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And now Wagner and the Russian military increasingly hate each other, lol.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Putin had those contracts extended indefinitely

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which in turms fuels resentment towards Wagner Group. They get to go home in 6 months and make plenty of cash.

            Resentment Ukraine needs to shamelessly encourage. Get the Russian military to HATE Wagner Group as much as possible.

            Poison the well.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think many left before that after Feb 24th. Bribery being what it is for example, those middle income families types would have got the fuck out of town once it became not a gay parade in downtown Kyiv.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When the first mobilization went down, people fled and went into hiding in fucking droves. I'm dying to fucking know just how many they actually managed to scrounge down, and how many they are expecting to get with the second attempt.
      I was worried for some friends over there at first, but it seemed to not have bothered them, so perhaps the effort to try to gather manpower wasn't very effective.

      https://i.imgur.com/5yMO8rD.jpg

      Labradors are nice.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Armed with AIDS and not much else.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stall? russians won and ukraine left the area. There was no "stall", what you're looking for is ukraines "counter offensive" which may or may not happen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just like the failed Kherson offensive you shills posted thread after thread that it would never come?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ukraine is a failed nation and will never recover from its repeated raping.
        maybe if you're lucky Poland will adopt you and help you rebuild.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Work on your bait. 4/10

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You see, your pic is the problem. He only has 18 (eighteen!) mapta. How can he POCCNR with only 18 (eighteen!) mapta?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            BEHOLD! Vatnikistan!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if Ukraine left the area what are the mobniks fighting? the fabled Polish mercenaries?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Ukrainians apparently still contest the city.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So the Russians stopped after they took Soledar because it was their objective?
      Not Bakhmut. Not Sloviansk or Kramatorsk. Not the rest of the Donetsk Oblast. *Soledar*. A seven-month offensive and the goal was a small town with a salt mine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We never wanted anything more than Soledar anyway, this is another glorious victory for the second military in the world

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They lost momentum. Which is why its so retarded to focus all of your troops into one small area. You can make gains, but only for a moment until you lose momentum. Doubling down like this is only good in a short run, but it can bite you back in the long run

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They lost momentum
      what exactly are you basing this assertion off of? you think they should just endlessly surge forward until they're cut off and surrounded?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that Russians lack sufficient transport, for one thing, lol. They can only go so far.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Having momentum is important when it comes to an offensive. The fact that they stalled in that specific town means they lost momentum and have limited offensive capabilities. A good offensive would have a town captured along with having momentum after the capitulation of it. Just so you know, soledar is not a big town.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or maybe they can reinforce their gains. Them stalling means they overextert themselves and can't go any further than that. You can have momentum while having a secured rear guard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine needs to hammer the Russian supply points. Weaken their ability to stay in Soledar.

          Ukraine knows Soledar has become a political deal to the Russians, even though it's a fucking worthless mining village. Long as the Vatniks fight over Soledar, they're not threatening Bakhmut.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            With what? Ukraine has no air force, no artillery, no helicopters. They can do nothing but seethe in trenches and drop grenades from a drone on occasion. This war is already over, Ukraine would prefer to genocide its own people rather than admit defeat.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Kiev in two weeks, comrade, trust the plan!
              -Z

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >With what? Ukraine has no air force, no artillery, no helicopters
              They literally shelled soledar like yesterday killing dozens of conscripts/wagnerites while on camera. Soledar is in range of Ukrainian artillery and missile strikes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let's see how long Wagner can keep what it has in Soledar, constantly bombarded by precision artillery.

                Turn that place into a death trap for the Vatniks.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              t. Ranjeep

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I wonder if you're being ironic or if you really believe that orc propaganda. Either way you should probably go back to 4chan and stay there if you think Ukraine is the one killing their own people and not Russians who fully believe Ukrainians are lesser people who deserve to be exterminated for disobeying Mother Russia.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Ukraine has no artillery

              Keep telling yourself that Vatnik. You haven't destroyed a single HIMARS.

              And precision artillery can really fuck up your shit, real fast.

              This was what I was thinking too, just kind of looking at it, would it not be easier to "keep russia in" soledar, than to keep them out after a point? If they try to breakout, they only have so many avenues to do it from Soledar, and a rapid reaction force can intercept any breakout attempt toward the west pretty fast. They boke the siege, captured the town, now are just besieged in a spot that isn't gaining them much.

              Especially since Wagner's leader has personally made Soledar a HUGE deal to his ambitions. Potentially losing it all would really put a dent in his star. He'll defend it fiercely.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >great strong russia
              >can't win against a 3rd world military with no air force, no artillery, no helicopters

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't forget having one of their "advanced" ships sunk by a country with no navy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The absolute hilarity of that whole situation still makes me laugh. Like they lost their flagship due to negligence and improper maintenance while being cocky assholes and parading it around in range to missiles from the shore. Now all of their other ships are so fucking scared they wont approach anywhere near.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              HELLO SIR!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The easiest way to solve the Russian problem is to kill every single on of them. Thankfully they seem to agree with this

            Which should be ruthlessly taken advantage.

            THREATEN Soledar. Force the Vatniks to defend it. Blast their supplies and troop concentrations in and around the city, and make their position untenable real fast.

            Not to mention the Russians made such a fucking DEAL out of getting Soledar, it's politically untenable to not leave a substantial force there to try to hold it.

            Ukrainians will exploit this by forcing the Russians to defend whatever they've seized.

            https://i.imgur.com/4gO8L1t.jpg

            beyond "taking soledar" there wasn't a plan beyond that probably. Chances are the Wagner guys saw a chance to push, over commited to that part of the line, made some gains at high cost, all to run into a second line of defenses farther west into the city. Where do they even go from Soledar? South on the Road to Krasna Hora and then Bakhmut , exposing themselves to counter attack to the west and north? Ignore Bakhmut and fight north to Siversk? Do they just strike out west into the fields and range roads and continue that way? Soledar is a take and hold objective to inhibit north/south logistics for Bakhmut, it's not really the place you're going to see massive break through that destabilizes the front line. Even with the portion of Soledar the Russians control, the Ukes still have the railroads and roadways to Bakhmut anyway.

            Maybe I'm missing something specific about Soledar, but it really doesn't seem like the kind of place that's going to precipitate a major offensive operation.

            >missing something specific about Soledar
            and a bunch of other similar posts mystified about Soledar:

            The. Salt. Mines.

            It is very nearly the only location in Ukraine where they can build up a fortified ammo & equipment dump.

            The trick here is going to be to deny them that opportunity. Let them keep & keep defending Soledar ... and make it bloody expensive ... but do not allow ammo & equipment to reach Soledar and get stored inside the salt mines. Blast everything in-transit, seal the entrances with aggressive bombardment.

            Deny, deny, deny. Make them pay in blood for every hour they attempt to leverage that as a secure bunker. WITHOUT destroying the salt mines themselves ... it's a very important economic resource in several different ways. They need to be preserved for re-opening after the war is ended.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    beyond "taking soledar" there wasn't a plan beyond that probably. Chances are the Wagner guys saw a chance to push, over commited to that part of the line, made some gains at high cost, all to run into a second line of defenses farther west into the city. Where do they even go from Soledar? South on the Road to Krasna Hora and then Bakhmut , exposing themselves to counter attack to the west and north? Ignore Bakhmut and fight north to Siversk? Do they just strike out west into the fields and range roads and continue that way? Soledar is a take and hold objective to inhibit north/south logistics for Bakhmut, it's not really the place you're going to see massive break through that destabilizes the front line. Even with the portion of Soledar the Russians control, the Ukes still have the railroads and roadways to Bakhmut anyway.

    Maybe I'm missing something specific about Soledar, but it really doesn't seem like the kind of place that's going to precipitate a major offensive operation.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not to mention the Russians made such a fucking DEAL out of getting Soledar, it's politically untenable to not leave a substantial force there to try to hold it.

      Ukrainians will exploit this by forcing the Russians to defend whatever they've seized.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This was what I was thinking too, just kind of looking at it, would it not be easier to "keep russia in" soledar, than to keep them out after a point? If they try to breakout, they only have so many avenues to do it from Soledar, and a rapid reaction force can intercept any breakout attempt toward the west pretty fast. They boke the siege, captured the town, now are just besieged in a spot that isn't gaining them much.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia has had nothing but losses for months. They went into overdrive to hype this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which should be ruthlessly taken advantage.

        THREATEN Soledar. Force the Vatniks to defend it. Blast their supplies and troop concentrations in and around the city, and make their position untenable real fast.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      soledar is important as the base for a northern pincer against bakhmut, the russians still have to set up a southern pincer by taking klishchivka to the souther. after that if they manage to take bakhmut, its going to serve as a staging node for a push into kramatorsk and slovyansk.

      of course, each of the steps is going to run into heavily fortified positions along the way

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So FORCE the Russians to have to send more troops to the slaughter there. Keep Soledar threatened by endless bombardment.

        Wagner CANNOT lose Soledar, they've made way too much of a deal out of its "importance".

        Exploit their fucking stupidity.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You said the same thing about that other small town that Russians HAD to conquer no matter what.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My point is, like Bakhmut before it, Russians have blown Soledar WAY out of proportion to its importance.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kek wtf is this picture

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I forget the exact origin, but some guy got ahold of a bunch of re-enactor gear or something, and went to a retarded level of effort to do a bunch of stupid poses and photoshop these all together. I'm sure someone on PrepHole has the full gallery

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly a pretty good idea for creating new autistic memes on the internet. I should dress like Pancho Villa and make dumb memes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's literal homosexual guro autism under the guise of "reenactment"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tourists don't know jawman

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery.There was some video of drone spotted artillery a few days ago and they shredded entire groups of convicts.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen this sort of offensive stall before. It's a systemic morale problem, caused by far too much sugar in their diet. All chocolate in their rations need to be replaced with granola.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It takes nine months to make a mobik, plus 10-18 years before they mature enough for battle
    It takes0.003 seconds to make a lead bullet, and Ukraine is being supplied via the largest and most efficient logistics network in human history
    They were never going to run out of bullets before the russians ran out of meat

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The easiest way to solve the Russian problem is to kill every single on of them. Thankfully they seem to agree with this

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The submoron vatniks hordes got smashed to paste

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chaika.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    still can believe this is war looks so small.
    where the fuck is the russian army?
    where are all the tanks and artillery? planes? bombers? the 300k mobilized?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a very distributed initial invasion, over like 12 different corridors, so all the cool shit was really spread out, then got over extended and blown up with no infantry support.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        THAT was the biggest mistake. A big Russian invasion force on paper.....spread across ALL of Ukraine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/jQlNj8p.png

          still can believe this is war looks so small.
          where the fuck is the russian army?
          where are all the tanks and artillery? planes? bombers? the 300k mobilized?

          I remember posting the expected invasion routes the British Army put out in January '22 or something.
          And people here SHAT all over the bongs
          >wtf 5 corridors?!
          >Lol bongs are retarded
          >Worst idea ever no wonder they don't have an empire lol
          And then the Russians did exactly , EXACTLY what the bongs had said they were going to do. And nobody on PrepHole ever apologised.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Russian plan was a masterpiece in sheer idiocy. By spreading out their forces that much over so far a distance, they gave the Ukrainians time to fight back.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly if they used all their initial forces in the Donbass only and focused on taking that only they would have got away with this with ~1000 casualties.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And nobody on PrepHole ever apologised.
            I'm sorry. I mean, I don't remember exactly what you're talking about, but I generally recall some of that.

            I personally would not have been all that mocking, except for the invasion by sea of Odessa and the occupation of the Red Forest. I was pretty amused by that idiocy and openly mocked anyone who was suggesting those specifically. Which also included the tens of thousands of troops swarming in from Transnistria.

            And then, the vatmorons did exactly that for the Red Forest and fell so hard on their faces in Odessa that it effectively didn't happen at all. Apart from a division or three of VDV transitioning to underwater territory denial. Plus, without Odessa there was no prayer of Transnistria happening.

            And THEN, picrel happened. Also. That's when I stopped believing there was a bottom to the stupidity.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >where are all the tanks and artillery? planes? bombers?
      Might want to check the Oryx list.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The entire Wagner, corps size
    Lots of VDV in the outskirts, a few battalions

    against 1 brigade in the town
    and 2 brigages outside

    Outnumbered at least 3-1

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is the significance of the razor?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      removing her bushy eyebrows

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Soledar offensive stall
    Have you ever heard the things called "tactical pause"?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know when the Russians pause, it means they've exhausted themselves, lol.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Typically you should be able to advance more than 2 kilometers before needing to pause and re-organize your logistics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't help there are multiple factions involved in the Russian efforts. It's not just Wagner and Russian military.

        It's ALSO the Separatists (remember them, lol?) joining this party, particularly Somalia and Sparta Battalion & some LNR regiment.

        That's a recipe for chaotic command.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, there are also multiple foreign volunteer in ukraine. This makes me wonder how the allied organized multiple unit from different country during ww2.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think they've all been put in the Ukrainian Foreign Legion.

            To my knowledge, there are no PMCs on the Ukrainian side.

            But the Ukrainians do have partisans who only act in semi-concert with their regular military.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is some foreign volunteers that join the legion or become a part of the regular military of Ukraine. Ukraine still accepts foreigners in their regular units.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A shortage of armor is one problem, lol.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did they ever finish the tactical pause they announced right after Lysychansk was captured? It's been six months, someone should probably go check up on them.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any actual strategic importance to Soledar or is it just sunk cost at this point?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, Wagner's leader Prozakobitch couldn't resist spitting in the face of Russia's military by claiming all the credit for Soledar. So Russia's military spit in his face back by saying, "We did all the work, loser."

      So now Soledar has become a pissing contest between Wagner and the Ministry Of Defense, with BOTH their reputations on the line.....for a fucking mining village.

      Put simply, the Ukrainians can exploit the Vatnik egos to make them defend this little nothing town. Neither Wagner nor the Russian military want to be the one who "lost Soledar" because they know their rival will use it against them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The town is too small to commit more than a brigade to it, which is the minset of the ukranians. by stuffing their side of Soledar with many thousands of troops, the Russians are just going to get artillery called down on them all day.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Russians are currently high on their own egos, and consumed with petty infighting and power struggles. They'll pack Soledar with men.

          Men that artillery can slaughter without end.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      see

      soledar is important as the base for a northern pincer against bakhmut, the russians still have to set up a southern pincer by taking klishchivka to the souther. after that if they manage to take bakhmut, its going to serve as a staging node for a push into kramatorsk and slovyansk.

      of course, each of the steps is going to run into heavily fortified positions along the way

      in terms of overall strategic importance bakhmut is a stepping stone to the twin cities south of the oskil river, soledar is important on the local level in terms of being able to take bakhmut. if bakhmut is taken, the russians then have a much much larger and more difficult battle on their hands to really break the front wide open

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can the Russians hold it? This time the Ukrainians have the precision artillery they did NOT have at Severodonetsk.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          we are about to find out. im not sure where the himars are currently stationed, but bringing them up probably wouldnt hurt

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The IRONY is that if Russia hadn't blown Soledar way out of proportion, they could have just calmly focused on the next step.

            But political rivalries and petty bickering, as well as the desperate need for ANY kind of win, resulted in the Russians severely blowing Soledar out of proportion.

            Soledar's a stepping stone, not a major prize like Wagner is trying to make.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              and it wasn't the first choice too, it was because Bakhmut was way too hard at 4 times the size

              Imagine being the 46th airmobile brigade calmly swatting small recon squads and then suddenly the while Wagner and thousands of VDV appear over the horizon

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is some stationed in bakhmut, I think. Although targeting soledar is for regular artillery than missile strikes. They should save himars for important targets or if the have those shotgun misssiles that is filled with metal balls.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Agreed. Let regular artillery hammer the Vatniks at Soledar. Keep drawing them in like a moth to a flame.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if bakhmut is taken
        That will already be a drawn out battle which will dwarf Soledar. AND they will have to continuously defend Soledar while attempting to assault Bakhmut.

        Vatniggistan hasn't even taken Soledar YET, and it's already a Pyrrhic assault without any gain to speak of. They've literally created their own cauldron and jumped into it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They've literally created their own cauldron and jumped into it.
          Zisters...did...did the cauldron stab us in the back? Tell me this isn't true...

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because psionic weapon is still a weapon, they felt my righteous hatred and necked themselves en masse so i'm gonna say it once again:
    kill russian toddlers
    wipe this parasite nation off this planet
    let russia crumble and be forgotten for eternity
    amen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh fuck off

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because first days urban fights were for the sake of winning some time and establishing proper defensive lines on the other side of the city.
    Ukies just retreated there then and kept smoking vatnik hordes like they did before.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What this battle showed me is that even when Russians supposedly "regain the initiative", they still seem to have given up on armored pushes. It's infantry, mostly on fucking foot and artillery. How are they planning to exploit successes like this if they don't use mechanized forces?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >did the Soledar offensive stall?
    When did this get called "the Soledar offensive?" Wasn't this "the Bakhmut Offensive" just two weeks ago?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe they were desperate for winning "something", and as soon as they were able to put a flag in the center of Soledar they just said mission accomplished. What else can they do now?

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