Russia's "elite" paratroopers are using 60+ years anti-tank guns. What other early cold war weapons can we expect on the battlefield?
Russia's "elite" paratroopers are using 60+ years anti-tank guns. What other early cold war weapons can we expect on the battlefield?
It's a perfectly fine gun, more than enough to destroy Ukrainian tanks
Mmmmm...roasted piggies...
Yes, yes, we get it. But the thing is, the ukranians have it now, so they will turn it around and roast more vatniks.
But, no need to panic.
Bro, Igor Girkin said the troops issued these weapons are trained so fricking terribly they don't know how to use them. RJ0HKN
>rosgvardia
the Russian national guard are not military, they're riot police only trained to face unarmed civilians
>It's a perfectly fine gun, more than enough to destroy Ukrainian tanks
a WWII era 100mm .. I wouldn't take my chances with that against a MBT frontally
>a WWII era 100mm .. I wouldn't take my chances with that against a MBT frontally
The 2A29 is a little more potent than that though. It was originally developed as the next-generation main armament for the T-62, but the rounds proved too long for the loader to handle inside the turret (picrel). The best anti-armor round it’s issued is 3BM23, which at close range can actually perforate the front of a T-64BV with the older 3-layer textolite glacis at close range. It can also serve as an indirect-fire artillery piece, but it’s poorly suited for this because of it’s smoothbore barrel and high-pressure shells. Overall, it can still threaten most Ukie tanks in the hands of a well-trained crew, but saying all that it’s still in every way inferior to either a Kornet or 120/122mm mortar/artillery piece in every conceivable way. A towed anti-tank gun has no place on a modern battlefield, and it’s pathetic that Russian troops are forced to rely upon such an archaic weapon.
Also meant to reply to
here. I was talking about those frickass ancient KS-19s.
> I was talking about those frickass ancient KS-19s.
Fair enough. Those are pretty old even by Ruskie standards. You’d think they would be able to scrounge up a few D-30s for the fricking VEH DEH VEH, but I guess it doesn’t matter when they can just call in air suppor-
Shit.
what does it say about russian tank design if they can be destroyed by a 60 year old tank gun?
I wouldn't try it frontally against T-72 or T-80
i bet even a T-62 would have not so terrible odds of surviving a frontal hit considering they were put into service the same year
Probably not, it's actually kind of an advanced system for the time and can fire APFSDS as well as Bastion ATGMs
But anon Ukrainian tanks are better than Russian tanks. What does that tell you?
I'm not sure anymore if this is satire or genuine post :DD Also it's not enough to frontally defeat modern MBT's and the crew will only get one shot off before they receive return fire that will frick them up.
Except it can't roast piggies if the piggies take it over
Yes, just like grandfathers!
This. Although they don't even need something that big. A few blasts from my 1911 will turn that Ukie tanks into scrap
>slander! is not old junk, is perfectly good weapon we gifted to the enemy as a gesture of good will
it seems they understand more than russians about soviet gear, being able to push them back despite vatniks having numerical advantage
This is starting to look like retreat. Where will they fall back to? Is there a second line?
Not retreat. Good will gesture.
I don't make bold proclamations, but it definitely feels like something bad is going to happen to the Russians. That line is going to collapse.
>Is there a second line?
Ukrainians aren't going to dare crossing the Russian border since that would mean war.
Oh my god, Russia might even invade them if they do that!
>that would mean war.
special military operation
>Is there a second line?
I'm pretty sure russhits are so arrogant they never considered the possibility of ukrainians launching an attack, much less piercing their lines so they never bothered to create it
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All the 8's
Lots of fat ladies
the ukranians have 500 of them as well, so they should be very familiar with them and it would be easy to integra..
>/misc/ laughs at nu-/K/ /K/opers
oh. Never mind. Don't you have telegram hashtags to post? perhaps it should be clear that there is no need to panic. No need at all.
Much obligated
I just spent the day laughing at vatniks on /misc/ with the /uhg/ gang. You need to leave /k/ once in awhile, dude.
Get new material
Just dropped 37% after going up 600%?
That means it's only up 378% now and could very much continue dropping
that puts it roughly at 360% of the original price not great but also not terrible
are you the kind of guy who thinks a 50% drop in his investment and a later 50% increase gets you to baseline? tell me what you're investing in right now, i need to short it
I don't think that it was a Veh deh veh position. Its more likely that it was a position manned by donbabwean slave infantry. They operated in the area and have absolutely shit-tier fightibg capabilities, they are also known to widely operate the rapira.
The MT-12 isn't even the oldest piece of kit the Ukrainians have captured recently. They captured three KS-19 AA guns in thus offensive that were apparently used for indirect fire. These guns were designed in the 40s, and their production stopped in 1955.
Reminder that the LPR used an IS-3 in 2014 or 2015.
how are they worse than the T72s they use? genuine question
T-72 has (or is supposed to have) night vision, or at least an IR lamp
IS-3 relies on thick steel armor, T-72 has textolite/steel on its hull and NERA/steel in its turret
IS-3 is about 30 years earlier than the T-72 and is worse in just about every way
Especially agaisnt HEAT, the T-72 was supposed to withstand the iTOW on the front and had near immunity to the M47 dragon and LAW,the IS-3 would have trouble withstanding an RPG-7
T-72 has a bigger and much more powerful gun
T-72 has much better protection (IS-3 is APC tier against APFSDS while T-72 with ERA can beat cold war munitions from the front)
T-72 has a more powerful engine
T-72 is lighter
T-72 has, albeit still shitty, much better optics and targeting systems, including image amplifiers or even thermals depending on the model
It's not even a contest. Shit as it is, the T-72 is still 30 years newer as a chassis and 70 years newer in terms of equipment on the higher end upgraded models
where the hell do you even find ammo for that shit
It uses the same ammo as the D-10T. You know, the gun of the T-55.
>they got T-55 food on the frontline
We're so close to T-55s with cope cages
arguably the better T-55s, like the T-55AMV, are a significant upgrade over the basic b***h T-62M
they might even have some Afghan-era Drozdh APS T-55s left
do russians even still have T55s?
they were supposed to have been sold off to other PACT countries because no one other than arabs wanted the T-62
there where like 60000 t55 produced by the soviet union about half of that remained in "service" till 91 so some are probably still in storage in some forgotten village in siberia
they would be easier to put in service than newer stuff like t72/80 since they are much simpler and lack all the "high tech" stuff
so far they have been digging up T-62Ms but not T-55s, so i really dont think there are any driveable T-55s anywhere left
>they would be easier to put in service than newer stuff like t72/80 since they are much simpler and lack all the "high tech" stuff
the lack of high-tech stuff means its going to be harder to bring them online, since you need to upgrade them to a modern standard
And the gun of the SU-100 from World Fricking War 2 kek
>hurr stupid vatniks using old guns
>meanwhile ukrops use the same guns
Except it doesn't. The D10T is rifled whereas the T-12 is smoothbore and can fire APFSDS, ATGMs etc.
Ukraine has an excuse, they are, or were, the underdog. When the war first started, Ukraine needed every single last bit of equipment that could shoot a bullet/shell as NATO support hadn't truly arrived yet. Russia was the military that was supposed to be the second most powerful nation in the world and if you are truly at that level, you should not be using major military hardware like a fricking towed anti-tank gun from the 1960s. But, at least now we know that Russia is far, far from being the second most powerful nation in the world, so I guess it works itself out in the end?
USN is still using harrier jump jets from the 60's
If it still works it still works
No, the USMC uses it, and that's fine for them because they're not expected to operate on their own. They will always have support from the Navy F-18's & F-35's.
Towed anti-tank guns on the other hand are a big no-no in even the 1970s/1980s as Night Vision and Thermals began to become a common piece of equipment for soldiers and vehicles. You can't move a towed anti-tank gun quickly, and its doctrine does NOT work in an offensive role when you have to be constantly moving. Defensively, it's "fine" in a pinch, but definitely not preferred.
Again, there's a big difference between using outdated hardware and using outdated tactics, of which the towed anti-tank role falls under the latter.
You seriously think every Ukrainian TD unit is running around with thermals and NV?
Try reading some actual accounts from westerners like Wali about the equipment situation
>but what about Ukrainians
See the other post:
Russia could be fighting tribal sandBlack person insurgents or the fricking Sentinelese primitives for that matter and we would still laugh at their own outdated military.
Two former soviet shitholes are both using surplus soviet guns, but only one of them considers itself to be the finest military in the world.
Ukraine never made moronic claims of having one of the strongest armies on the world
See
A gun produced in the 50s is just ass good as one produced today
>A gun produced in the 50s is just ass good as one produced today
No one except Russia has produced towed anti-tank guns in generations. So you're right, in that choosing this piece of shit or having nothing at all is a complete toss-up
tbh it makes perfect reason as to why the donbass ukie rebels are armed with fossile weaponry, they arent much more than armed hooligans, and the only thing that have saved them so far is that their fellow non rebel ukies arent better.
They captured another battery of 4 today too.
why would you use these dont they have thousands of 152mm arty in storage
not anymore
lmao my great grandfather would have not felt out of place in that photo. towed guns arrayed in the fields of ukraine. he was half-track driver on the eastern front
>when "MUH NOOKS" turn into "MUH COOLD"
russian shill front is collapsing faster than the physical one
Bix nooks muhfugga
that's what vatniks do, and what cum/chug/gers consume
I have never been so wrong in my life as when I over-estimated the capabilities of the puccian military
immediate FSBishnik cope XD
I still can't believe he seems to be more worried about the car than his own goddamn child that is literally laying next to him. Or well, pieces of her are.
The Bible says something about not punishing a child for the sins of it's father and vice versa.
Not saying I have sympathy for him, just that it should've been him in there and not her. I don't think she deserved it.
she was literally little dugin, sure she lacked his level of influence but she deserved anything he did. not like it wasn't an FSB op anyway
I'm sure she'd at least have felt some goddamn remorse for her father if they were switched. Frick, I think I care more about this woman who I'd never heard about before this happened than her own father does.
Just for that, I think he actually deserves far worse. It takes a special kinda fricking degenerate animal to think of your own children as pawns like he probably does. I'd bet 50 bucks he knew about the plot and let her take the fall for him.
>I'd bet 50 bucks he knew about the plot and let her take the fall for him.
I was extremely suspicious about this when I heard that Dugin apparently "changed cars at the last minute" or something.
>The Bible says something about not punishing a child for the sins of it's father
It says the exact opposite of that.
>“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
The exact quote
keeps too many slaves
>At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well.
Heh, nothing personnel, Egypt.
the verse "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin." applies only to dealings between members of the CHosen People. As do all the 10 commandments. Members of the Covenant with Yahve can mistreat gnetiles as much as they want. Seriously, read the old testament. Abraham lies and cheats gentile kings and Yahve punishes the genitles, not Abraham.
is there an unblurred version?
couldn't find one.
There's an uncensored photo, she got blown in half.
he hated the white race and his blond daughter was killed, of course that homosexual israelite is more worried about his burning car.
"he hated the white race"
you obviously know nothing about him then. I used to read some of his writings since i got them from a newsletter of european nationalist movements. He is for an alliance between white europe and other traditionalist part of the world (like the shia alliance (iran, syria, etc.)) against the degenerate USA. I dont see how he is wrong on this. USA is the death of white race, BLM, israelite porn industry, child molester, LGBTQ++, all this shit come from USA. Not from Iran, not from Russia, not from Danemark.
Who the frick spells Denmark Danemark in this day and age?
Germans.
>his blond daughter was killed,
She was bleached you darkhaired dimwit. He real hair color was dark brown.
priceless reaction. even more so if you factor in that his daughter was killed by fsb
the day this happened i was thinking, the care is on fire there but the body is all the way over thee
and some guy on pol was like 'that b***h flew out of the sunroof'
and thats when it hit me
and yet THEY are the ones pushing russia back lol
Post Pisky.
Why did this thread get nuked? What did I miss?
obnoxious namegay was banned
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55050694/
All vatniks have left is muh winter at this point lmao
>he still doesn't know why UK energy prices increased
ok homie and?
still good cannon
Some early cold war stuff is perfectly usable in a modern war. Heck, AK-47s, SVDs, RPG-7s, BMPs, and so on may not be the best stuff around, but they still get the job done.
I wouldnt rely on them to fight the United States though except in guerilla warfare and even then
OMG NOT THE INFAMOUS EXTREME UK & GERMAN WINTERS, HOW WILL WE SURVIVE?????
East Germany isn't that easy being honest. But anything west of Berlin is literally golden besides like 2 weeks in the year where shit drops below freezing during the day.
I know people who lgo out in shorts in those temperatures in Canada.
I pay about 20 bucks a month for electricity. Damn, I sure hope I don't freeze to death this winter because I can't afford my bills.
My energy bill for the month (running full AC and several 1000W computers nearly 24/7) has been ~ $40.
What now?
Wow that's the third time they've claimed it
Does anyone have the screencap of the /misc/ vatnik claiming he would eat his own shit or something if Ukraine wasn't defeated?
And it has nothing to do with the war but predatory energy companies trying to cash in. Hell, the BBC did a investigative report on it. It's just businesses being businesses.
Also why is it always UK with you?
>one month old
>quoting russian state media
>dpr lpr Black folk
here is one (you), spend it wisely
Add the US about become LNG export king.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=53719
not him, but here's mine (Sofia, Bulgaria)
will post heating bill when the heating season starts if you like, but last year was about 50-70€/m
i won't post my monthly income because you wont survive the reality, especially after today's portion of "russia winning"
>Ruskies getting absolutely dunked on by Bulgies over household income
You love to see it. Radomir, tell your cousin Dragomir to send more Arsenal AK’s to the states, prices are getting moronic here.
Bulgaria's currency has been pegged to the euro for like the past 20 years so they are somewhat insulated from the worst of the crisis.
>2022-08-05
puccians really are pale Africans
You can see this in parts of england too...
Yeah, and in England it's some cheeky c**t who's havin' a nappy after watchin' the footy, and doesn't pretend his country is some kind of trad Orthodox successor to Rome
>doesn't pretend his country is some kind of trad Orthodox successor to Rome
The only part that makes that false is 'trad orthodox'.
>month old article
>Pisky still not taken
Weak.
lol you think russian soldiers are going to be in a nice, centrally heated building this winter vanya?
718 norwegian kroner electricity bill, bath floor heating on whole year + driving electric car, . Salary 42 000 plus wife 36 000. we gonna frickin freeze and die kek
The cope is rising.
>highest life expectancy
Wasn't the average life expectancy in puccia something like 55 years or so just recently? This guy reminds me of the talking heads in V for Vendetta.
Are you moronic?
>we
>you
The way he suddenly changes from one to the other is so telling. Kek
1:10 T.I.G.E.R.S
The fricki tiger floating up the side of the screen got me ngl
"And this, dear audience, is why I have decided to volunteer for frontline infantry!"
He's aged years in just nine months. Guess the sanctions are affecting his makeup supplies.
>The current life expectancy for Russia in 2022 is 72.84 years
Examples of countries with higher life expectancy than Russia:
>Libya: 73.29
>Azerbaijan: 73.23
>Mexico: 75.32
>Belarus: 75.06
>Brazil: 76.37
>Romania: 76.37
>Iran: 77.13
>China: 77.30
>Algeria: 77.32
>Belarus
that moment when your puppet state used as a buffer against the west has a higher life expectancy then your own country.
Potato man i kneel
Belarus at least was able to smuggle real food from the EU
Potatoman has 200 IQ. He forces Monke to pay him for benefit of being Russia's puppet, then uses those money to improve country infrastructure(never says where they came from) THEN points out how better their infrastructure than Russia's making them superior to Russians
The Bulbinator is clearly superior to Putin in every way. Look at that chad LVKA stance.
That's a traditional stance of submission on their planet though.
That's him try not to mog Putin for being a complete manlet because Putin is his boss, so its an attempt at a submissive gesture
more importantly, look at the angle of the roof lmao
what is christina doing to pepsi?
Life expectancy stats are fricked up now.
E.g. countries which track it properly (like the USA) have experienced a sharp decline because of Covid.
Other countries are just blatantly lying on every single data point (e.g. India).
No, you fat frick american'ts couldn't bother to move your enormous asses around a little bit when you got put on lockdown and so you got cardiac arrest. Everyone else did just fine with their gay yoga and pilates. Next time some pseudo-plague hits remember to exercising more than just scratching your anus, you worm ridden lardasses.
> Mexico
> Russia is lower than Mexico
> Russia’s life expectancy is lower than the country where 98 percent of murder cases go unsolved.
And that life expectancy is probably going to drop pretty heavily with this war and so many vatBlack folk killed.
Let's not forget Russia doing jackshit about COVID, just releasing their "Sputnik vaccine" out of nowhere, with zero trials whatsoever to the point the head of their health agency quit over that, from where we know it had only a 20% effectiveness AT BEST for the INITIAL MUTATION (so MUCH less with Omikron, even more so since non-m-RNA vaccines retain less effectiveness across mutations than m-RNA vaccines do)
Because of that COVID has been running rampant with zero effective measures against it, even more because Putin wanted to maintain the illusion of normalcy. Their OFFICIAL death toll is already 820,000 and even that is likely underestimated.
On top of that Russian media is BEGGING it's people to get vaccinated while saying vaccines are evil in the West. Because of that initial distrust and the shitty Sputnik vaccine while refusing to import m-RNA ones means barely anyone is actually vaccinated.
In other words: Putin's strategy against COVID is comparable to his military genius in Ukraine, with predictable results for the population.
Russia is doing fine with COVID moron, COVID is a globohomosexual disease just like AIDS*~~
I'm just not going to take it. The vaccine, that is.
>strategy against Hoaxvid
>tfw unvaxxed
>tfw had it twice and it was nothing more than a normal flu
I absolutely hate VatBlack person neo-Bolshevik land, but you're a homosexual for implying Hoaxvid was ever a legitimate danger. No world government should've "handled it". It was a lie the whole time.
Not exactly a hoax when you get it twice lol
The concept of ever being a threat was a hoax. Not worth trying to economically starve the world, destroy individual finances, ruin careers, and institute a police state over a flu.
>we should accept the pandemics from our chinese overlords with abandon
The power of hindsight plus internet memes is pretty good.
Did you even spend five minutes to think why the lockdowns were put in place or why people were told to wear masks?
At the onset of Covid it was dangerous, and it got more dangerous with Delta up until recently where it's more contagious but barely does anything to you because of the efforts to curtail it. Delta got stopped pretty quickly because the lockdown measures got harsher for that time and it died out because Omicron became the primary strain after that.
Italy as a country imploded because it didn't have the hospital space for how many people got sick, were permanently damaged by the disease, or died because of it. New York was ridiculously swamped because of it. Hell, China literally locked down entire cities and destroyed their economy several times to stop it because of how easily it could spread. You were constantly hearing about how they literally could not bury or burn bodies fast enough for how many people were getting sick in certain regions.
Masks were not some sort of invincible shield for the person wearing it, and it didn't fully stop the particulates either, but it condensed the distance the particulates could go and forced you to have to be closer to a person for them to be an issue because it would spread out of the openings rather than in front of you. It would also catch your coughs or sneezes that would typically come out right in front of you.
To this day we still have people talking about the effects on their lungs after Covid. People died because of Covid, and it wasn't just old people or the infirm. If the lockdowns didn't happen we'd reach Delta and then what? You'd just want to chance going out every day, catching it, and having permanently messed up lungs and potentially lose your sense of smell/taste for the rest of your life? The fact that less people were out on the streets, at venues, or in public meant that there was less chance to spread, mutate, and get contained enough to diminish its chance of doing anything.
Tell that to the ~6.5 million people who died from it so far, tinfoil moron.
>Mexico and China has a higher life expectancy than Russia.
Holy shit, my sides.
Mexico dunking on Rasha.
In 1920 life expectancy in 'Russia' was around 24 years. So they've at least gotten a bit better since then. XD
What a fricking ghoul.
>highest life expectancy
that fat frick isn't even trying anymore
>Dying of a heroin overdose at age 32
>"T...thi..this one's...fo..for...the...k...kidssssszjhlljklj"
>Damn hohols, made another patriot a martyr.
>we cover with our bodies the children
Well this part is true, also why are so many people in the audience wearing prison orange?
I wonder what the hell is Putin thinking.
H started the entire two week special operation because he was concerned about his legacy, and wanted to go down in history.
Does he really think the following generations will revere him, and continue this bullshit when he dies? Obviously whoever comes next comes next will just change the narrative and blame everything on him. There is no way he can expect the Russian state to operate like this.
Think Putin is a bit too busy throwing pens at maps for the moment to be thinking about a legacy
Right now he's doubling down on the energy blackmail and pretending the sanctions do nothing, so European countries should just drop them for their own good.
He’s basically the General Montgomery of his time. In his attempt to preserve the British Empire by proving it was still a military force, he damned it to becoming America’s b***h. Same with Putin.
>Does he really think the following generations will revere him
they are russians, of course they will, short of being counter invaded he's in a solid place because russkies are moronic and cant stop themselves from sucking strongman dictator wieners.
Even in the unlikely even of this war ending with russia losing crimea he will be worshipped just like stalin and lenin are. And in the more likely scenario of russia keeping their little gains he will be their hero for generations, worshipped and beloved by the masses as they wallow in filth
He consulted the famous oracle of FSB as to what would happen if he invaded Ukraine
>You will destroy a corrupted shithole
This really tells you everything you need to know. Russians believe they're the main characters of reality. The cult of the """Great Patriotic War""" is probably the only thing that keeps Russia together today. They have no national identity. The Soviets shaped the dead Red Army soldiers as martyrs that died so that they can live today. Basically like a commie allegory to Jesus Christ dying for the sins of humanity with Nazis as Satan. Every fricking shithole village in the middle of the taiga, no matter how small, will have some type of monument to the "Great Patriotic War" so that every squinty eyes kalmyk will remember everyday that his grand parents died fighting for a country that he has basically no connection to. Stalin and his successors built a cult of delusion that Russians (kind of like israelites) are the chosen people to lead the world order and that millions of people died for that. Start talking to a Russian about history or politics and you will see a worldview so deranged you wish you had never asked. They will always find the new "Nazis" to fight even though no Russian can explain what a Nazi is. It's just how they are, the homosexual sovieticus is a real thing, not just a concept.
I was just thinking today that not only does this sort of conflict cultism run the neo-USSR, but it's cultism for a government that didn't even last a century. Shit's bananas, but I guess homosexual sovieticus can only ever think in terms of bananas.
>Russians believe they're the main characters of reality.
This sums it up, really.
holy shit, where is this from?
If I had to make a wild guess it's probably the New Crhonology Museum
What the name of WE WUZ KANGS is this shit?
>one of the founders of the grat empire
Are they talking about Tartaria lmao?
Lmao this looks like local russian christcuck retconning of history, a sort of christian identity spin for russians instead of anglomutts.
'russian levels of delusions'/10
>we must die for russia
says the millionaire a thousand miles from the frontline
>we are the greatest country on earth
>not because of our bad quality of life
>not because of our bad life expectancy
>not because of lack of freedom
>not because of our corrupt government
>not because of our rates of disease
>not because of our poor education
>not because of our infrastructure
...
>but because we have the greatest DESTINY
Sounds great.
>we don't NEED a high life expectancy
>we don't NEED to buy things
>we don't NEED happiness
>we don't NEED to not die face down in a ditch
>we like it in the ditch, it's our destiny
Imagine having to listen to that worthless insufferable talking heads views on the meaning of live. Hopefully he ends up swinging on a rope.
Imagine posting that un-ironically, not knowing how warm winters are on that fricking island
12 eurocents per KWH here. Hasn't changed in 2 years, still waiting for that energy price increase 🙂
Lmao I spent last winter with cold showers just cause I cba to fix it.
I've noticed /misc/tards shitting on cold shower believing that "it's Zogbots are being prepped for cold winter" when cold showers have been known to improve health for hundreds of years
Yes, the great Wim Hof was invented 10 years ago specifically to prepare euros for this winter
Idk who those gays are. The PrepHole side of pol has been espousing cold showers forever.
Idk where all these PrepHole tier Black folk came from.
You should only be taking cold showers any way so good on you.
Is this the sixth or seventh time that Russia has claimed to take Pisky?
>tries to blackmail all of Europe with gas
>wonders why Europe now hates the eternal ruskie
This isnt how you make friends, Ivan
I'm still shocked that in the day and age of wire guided ATGMs that the Soviets kept AT guns around and continued to produce them well into the 90s.
I shouldn't be too surprised I guess since Russia has been issuing their T-72B3 tanks with BM6 APFSDS which was obsolete in the 70s
Funny is, western goverments make bills and programs to fight poverty and help citizins with their expensive.
Russia just recruits more soldiers to die in ukraine and buy north korean ammunition let their citizins alone with inflation!
Why would oligarchs care what happens to peasants?
Thats the point!
Last time that was happening in Russia they stpped being Monarchy and became Communist.
its been happening ever since the mongols invaded up until the modern day
>russian soldiers
>all the women and children are working as prostitutes in EU states
Yes anon, all Russian women will become EU prostitutes, I agree
Who actually looks at their energy bill? Mine is set to auto debit my checking account, I haven't seen a bill in years.
Everything that russia had that could be considered elite (by thier standards anyway) was destroyed within first 3 weeks.
AT guns are cool as shit. You know, when they're not left behind in a retreat.
reddit shit thinks you need uber wunderwaffels
Reddit thinks a lot of things, but you're on /k/ and what Russia needs is weapons that will actually be effective on a modern battlefield.
Vatnik thinks anything better than a 61-year-old towed anti-tank gun is an impractical superweapon that's only useful for propaganda.
Ffs, the US Army started phasing out towed AT guns in 1944. Just please try not to be more than 80 years behind us in technology or else congress won't let us buy new toys.
I mean, while it's obviously not a good look for le worlds 2nd military I would presume that you'd be able to get some decent work out of an old AT gun if you rigged up some kind of remote targeting and firing mechanism.
Age of equipment means jack shit. The US and the whole of NATO uses the M2 .50 cal.
You're never going back because Russian MoD will count you as a desertion and actively not retrieve your body so they don't have to pay your babushka her bottle of oil and sack of potatoes.
I wonder how soon spicy things are going to get in Syria now that everyone sees any Russian backing is just an empty shell.
Depends on who gets in power in Turkey. The opposition's latest promise is to become friends with Assad, then shovel back all Syrians back into Syria, then somehow prevent those Syrians from attacking Asad or Turkey when they get put between a rock and a hard place.
That could either rescue Assad (suddenly he will have competent allies) or destroy him (suddenly he will lose Russian support AND face 10 million discontent Syrians pushed back into the country)/
Turn it around and use it to fire at Russians.
When ammo runs out, just melt it down and recycle it into something useful.
huge butthurtness detected
Stupid question time!
These things are obviously outdated as frick to be used according to their original doctrine. Would you be able to set a trap with it?
>tank rolls up
>sets off wire 100m from where the gun is
>gun, being unmanned, completely covered/concealed except for where the barrel is point
>insta tank kill, panic among everyone else
not even a vatnik coping im just curious if thats feasible
You're better off just taking the shells and making an IED out of them at that point
it's 52 years old, that's not that old for certain types of weapons, i mean AK is 75yo design and it does the job.
The MT-12 isn't totally hopeless but you should compare it to the T-55 or T-62, not to a small arm. Small arms peaked with the Sturmgewehr and everything since has been iterating on the same formula.
fedorov was small arms peak, unlike BAR it was actually possible to fire "on the move" and hit shit.
soviets wanted to make lots more, but arisaka cartridge was hard to come by.
6.5 Arisaka was weak for a rifle cartridge but still has 1000J more energy than 5.56, it's not really an intermediate cartridges and wasn't designed to be. The StG used a purpose-designed rimless intermediate cartridge.
my point is we had functional modern assault rifle by early 20th century, but it was in russian hands, so of course they failed to see the full potential and didn't focus on improving the design or try to design some alternatives.
T-12s are a valid field gun with secondary LAT capability
newbies don't even remember all the kino from 2014 with these guns.
>anthony fantano is now reviewing the russian military
Am I the only one who doesn't care who wins or loses?
It's just beating a dead horse at this point. But that horse was a fricking butthole.
Ukraine uses Rapiras as well, its a gun..
Yeah. But they didn't exactly invade a neighboring country with them now, did they?
If the US got invaded, they'd defend themselves with everything, but you don't see them kitting out expeditionary forces with Garands.
Learn what we do use.
Rapira is still a capable antitank weapon, nowadays a kornet is preferred but you put rapira on the flanks to screen, not like they have to move with the main effort.
>but you put rapira on the flanks to screen
this was a possible move back in WW2, but nowadays thats just asking for air-busting munitions
Wait why did that Russian shill get banned?
Ukr uses the Rapira too
It's good enough for direct fire support in the frontline
Obv it's not used to hunt tanks anymore
Something that war thunder has teach me is that a WWII gun can perfectly destroy a modern tank if you hit the tank in the correct place.
>life expectancy in 2019
73.34 years
>in 2021
70.06 years
What's that, pockets of the fabled Veh Deh Veh still alive? I touhgt they were extinct already.
Putin realized you can instantly turn untrained cannon fodder into elite paratroopers just by putting a blue beret on their heads.
Rapiras have been used there since 2014
this ain't pretty....
why do Russian weapons rust so quickly?
they dont, it was on fire, and fire = lotsa oxygen = lotsa rust
VEH DEH VEH
SHITTY OLD GUN
FRICK THIS RAPIRA
I'M GONNA RUN
k has so many glow Black folk spamming this board. Youre pathetic. Russia and ukraine are both gay, your war is an NWO kill fest and both of your nations will be further enslaved by israelites at the end. Hopefully god sends a massive earth quake and tornado there to kill both zalensky and putin and their bodies are found in the gayest position possible
Take your meds poltroon
classic juden
>hurr if something is old it automatically means it's now completely inefficient
Absolute brainlet take.
It's basically a very upgraded smooth bore version of the T-55's gun, can fire ATGM's, HE and APFSDS, it will frick up anything that gets hit , UKA is also using them heavily. Some Ukrainian Artillery unit converted their MT-LB's into tank destroyers/assault guns with them.
I also think the sights have radar or some early Soviet FLIR? Anyway, something similar using NATO 120mm and thermals could be a pretty nice AT set up for defensive positions tbh
What do you regards think the Russian's are facing?
They're fighting cold war hand me downs, Brits sent them 1960's Saracens and Americans sent them Humvees. They also got some BMPs and T-72's from czech. These guns will blow them to shit.
>These guns will blow them to shit.
the bigger issue is that the gun is a massive, stationary weapon with no roof
>These guns will blow them to shit.
"These guns" are literally incapable of penetrating any 60 year old MBT from the front.
You would know this if you didn't come to this board in February to shill.
Ukranians using soviet made tactics better than russians. bruh moment
There is no panic, is just regular feint exercise
gp-5s with asbestos filters. Not the monkey mask, not the pmg, not even the gp-6.