Potential brace SBR ATF decision

If the decision is made to classify pistols with braces as SBR, is this a way to get a free stamp?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like the ATF uses it to create a registry of houses to shoot dogs after "losing" the grandfather paperwork.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, you idiot. Tax stamps aren't even expensive enough to worry over. The point is literally inviting the Feds to fuck your ass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brutal truth, imagine paying to put yourself on a registry

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe. Nobody knows, and everyone has their tinfoil hat on with what the ATF is gonna do.
    Me personally? If I can get a free stamp while also being able to remove the cope stock, I will be doing it
    It's a very Hispanicy take but these were designed as an aid for disabled. If normal people are just gonna shoulder them anyway, is it really a brace at that point?
    NFA is retarded don't get me wrong but braces and shit like forced reset triggers give the gun community a bad rap
    All these guys going "TEE HEE" because they're getting eerily close to an NFA item are the problem
    Can't blame them for trying but then people get panties in a wad when they lose.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      braces are beautiful because they operate on what is technically correct and words have meaning

      if a rifle of less than 16 inch barrel and no stock is to be considered a "handgun" then a stock you can put your arm through is absolutely just a brace

      atf and antigun fags wanna argue semantics well here we are; but it is INSANE to think an unelected agency can change the agreed upon definition for the past decade on a whim

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then 10 years ago or whenever these things became a thing they should have said "no we aren't going to allow this"

      I don't like this idea of turning people into felons overnight. This is just like the bump stock ban just this time around you'll be put on a list

      I agree that these things exist to skate around laws but the ATF could have done something before god knows how many were sold.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The NFA is an unconstitutional law anyway, and bureaucrats can get fucked and slotted, in no particular order.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You dipshit you have to prove you are using a pistol brace, not a stock.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You do realize a brace is $40 these days, right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And a stock is also $40

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.deltateamtactical.com/omega-mfg-ar-15-mil-spec-buffer-tube-kit-275-oz-buffer.html
            And an sba3 knockoff from amazon or

            https://www.deltateamtactical.com/trinity-force-ar-pistol-brace-buffer-tube-combo-74167.html

            Put you under $40

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If we just compromise maybe they'll let us keep our single shot .22s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >physics, geometry, raw materials made illegal by deranged pedophiles
      >”better listen to ‘em guys. We don’t want to get in trouble.”

      4 inches of polygonally rifled pipe is not an act. It is not a crime in the philosophical sense. A steel bolt with a fixed firing pin is not an evil deed. It is an inanimate objects.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >can't tell if bootlicker or glowie
      I bet you also thought bump stocks were ok to get banned because it gives gun owners a bad rep too right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought they were OK to get banned because they were so obviously not machine guns it would be overturned in short order (it was) and it gave us four years without Congress trying to pass an AWB. Now we've got Bruen v. NYSRPA to cockblock further attempts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Chipping away at rights is the long game to success
          yeah your a retard

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It was overturned
          then explain why bump stocks are still illegal?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > If I can get a free stamp while also being able to remove the cope stock

      You won't be able to. ATF will require photos of the gun with brace as part of the grandfathering application. Which means the gun will be tied to the brace and you won't be able to replace with a stock - otherwise why require a photo of the gun?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To prove that you even own a brace and aren't just taking the chance to get a free SBR/SBS stamp for any gun you want.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m disabled (mentally) and I love shooting them one handed as intended.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's a very Hispanicy take but these were designed as an aid for disabled.
      I do wonder if a brace ban would result in a ADA lawsuit. That would really be something.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are trying to skirt that by not completely banning but instead regulating them to death. The Form 4999 points system makes building a legal braced pistol almost impossible and much of it is completely arbitrary and the and ATF agent could just claim whatever didn't count as safe just because. It even includes bullshit like having BUIS would disqualify the gun.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        don't believe this if you don't want to, but I worked at an FFL in Florida for a while and SB tacticals owner would pop in on occasion. when we questioned him about the potential brace ban, he just mentioned something about an army of lawyers and the ADA before snickering and walking away

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Found the CIA GN

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No such thing as "free" the question is what the ATgays will decide the cost is.
    >yeah we decided they're actually not give us money or we arrest you
    >oh yeah you were apparently fine so now all semiautomatic firearms are MGs turn them in

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fuck jannies

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no way in fucking hell the ATF is going to give out free stamps to hundreds of thousands of people with braces. They’re going to just say get rid of the brace or get fucked. And then the Form 1 process is going to take as long as getting a can. Gayest timeline. But at least Ukraine is winning, right guys?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they estimate theres anywhere between 10-40million braced firearms out there. Say that theres 1million out there that to try to get it stamped. theres no way the ATF could handle the influx of paperwork to hand out stamps. they cant even handle their current load. Which would then ask the question of what are people supposed to do for the year+ wait while waiting for thepaperwork to go through

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what are people supposed to do for the year+ wait while waiting for the paperwork to go through
        they're supposed to hand them in to the ATF for safekeeping.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just put a stock on it and shut the fuck up pussy. Don't let some government govern you.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unfortunately it fucks with the ability to keep it loaded and concealed (i.e. in a vehicle) a right most states do not afford rifles or SBRs.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. It's a way to freely register your gun and have a huge amount of administrative overhead strapped to it at risk of mistake and being charged with a felony.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also for guns that can have the brace removed and have nothing there but a backplate that nothing can be attached to, do these stay pistols?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think so. Denver has AWB for rifles with 15+ mags, but pistols with 30+ grandfathered mags are gtg.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope for all the people that accept the amnesty for an sbr that there 3x's as many people 3d printing bbbbrrrrring for sbr submissions to back up the NFA submission process.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've only heard about the SB brace constantly but ive never seen anybody consider the Gearworks brace as still just a brace
    it's completely different, requires a proprietary buffer tube and is literally made to open outwards for your arm to rest on
    are you telling me this is also going to be considered a stock?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fold that little piece in and it's identical to a regular stock.
      Embarrassing that people here are doing mental gymnastics to justify braces, when all of you already know you don't care about the justification and ultimately subscribe to "shall not be infringed" ideology.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people here are doing mental gymnastics to justify braces
        fuck you shall not be infringed is my justification I'll shoulder my brace if I want to and the gAyTF can die for it if they care that much

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yea... that's what I just said if you bothered to read the rest of the sentence.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            don't care needed an excuse to post that picture and your post was good enough

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what a legend

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ultimately subscribe to "shall not be infringed" ideology
        This is the Constitution, yes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Braces are already a cope for the infringement of not being able to own an SBR without paying a tax and being on the atf shit list

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they're also a useful way to get around state laws about having loaded rifles in cars

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can look over the worksheet and guess, but many of the criteria are subjective so two different atf agents would probably get different scores judging it.

      https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2021-06-10/pdf/2021-12176.pdf

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you can't have a stock on your pistol because....
    >It's a gangster gun! You just can't do it!
    >No! no......... I didn't say gangster in a racially charged way please don't kill me for being white
    Grabbers and crypto grabbers deserve nothing. Never stop pushing against these laws.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So if I buy one and don't use or store it unopen, do I have to register?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes they will say u put it on the guns and take it off when theyre in storage when they raid ur house

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would this apply to solvent traps? if I buy it ,don' t mod and just store it and maybe mod it later if SHTF.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they will try to fuck you and drum up charges anyway they can. they charged fps russia for removing/modifying a serial number on a weapon because he spraypainted one of his guns

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's why you must fuck them harder. If they want to be your enemies, treat them as such.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What, no, you have to form 1 it

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s going to wind up in court the way that the frames and receiver rule is. Not sure how long it will drag out. If we are lucky it will be a disability org taking the ATF to court and they can win.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a little bird told me this land we thought was free never was by design and to prepare however as you see fit.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know, no one does.

    If it is going to just end up as a effectively a free SBR stamp then fuck it, I'll probably submit it for all the stuff I was intending to SBR anyhow since fuck paying $200 every fucking time.

    If we're stuck using the brace and can't swap for a stock, then there's no fucking point. I'll just SBR my shit slowly.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >free stamp
    Nobody complains about the 200$… it’s the fingerprints and the wait times.
    If there’s an amnesty you’ll still have to file paperwork.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and the government gets to dictate waht you do with that property to an even greater degree than normal, NFA paperwork is horseshit

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