Maybe. Nobody knows, and everyone has their tinfoil hat on with what the ATF is gonna do.
Me personally? If I can get a free stamp while also being able to remove the cope stock, I will be doing it
It's a very spicy take but these were designed as an aid for disabled. If normal people are just gonna shoulder them anyway, is it really a brace at that point?
NFA is moronic don't get me wrong but braces and shit like forced reset triggers give the gun community a bad rap
All these guys going "TEE HEE" because they're getting eerily close to an NFA item are the problem
Can't blame them for trying but then people get panties in a wad when they lose.
braces are beautiful because they operate on what is technically correct and words have meaning
if a rifle of less than 16 inch barrel and no stock is to be considered a "handgun" then a stock you can put your arm through is absolutely just a brace
atf and antigun gays wanna argue semantics well here we are; but it is INSANE to think an unelected agency can change the agreed upon definition for the past decade on a whim
>physics, geometry, raw materials made illegal by deranged pedophiles >”better listen to ‘em guys. We don’t want to get in trouble.”
4 inches of polygonally rifled pipe is not an act. It is not a crime in the philosophical sense. A steel bolt with a fixed firing pin is not an evil deed. It is an inanimate objects.
I thought they were OK to get banned because they were so obviously not machine guns it would be overturned in short order (it was) and it gave us four years without Congress trying to pass an AWB. Now we've got Bruen v. NYSRPA to wienerblock further attempts.
> If I can get a free stamp while also being able to remove the cope stock
You won't be able to. ATF will require photos of the gun with brace as part of the grandfathering application. Which means the gun will be tied to the brace and you won't be able to replace with a stock - otherwise why require a photo of the gun?
>It's a very spicy take but these were designed as an aid for disabled.
I do wonder if a brace ban would result in a ADA lawsuit. That would really be something.
They are trying to skirt that by not completely banning but instead regulating them to death. The Form 4999 points system makes building a legal braced pistol almost impossible and much of it is completely arbitrary and the and ATF agent could just claim whatever didn't count as safe just because. It even includes bullshit like having BUIS would disqualify the gun.
don't believe this if you don't want to, but I worked at an FFL in Florida for a while and SB tacticals owner would pop in on occasion. when we questioned him about the potential brace ban, he just mentioned something about an army of lawyers and the ADA before snickering and walking away
No such thing as "free" the question is what the AThomosexuals will decide the cost is. >yeah we decided they're actually not give us money or we arrest you >oh yeah you were apparently fine so now all semiautomatic firearms are MGs turn them in
no way in fricking hell the ATF is going to give out free stamps to hundreds of thousands of people with braces. They’re going to just say get rid of the brace or get fricked. And then the Form 1 process is going to take as long as getting a can. Gayest timeline. But at least Ukraine is winning, right guys?
they estimate theres anywhere between 10-40million braced firearms out there. Say that theres 1million out there that to try to get it stamped. theres no way the ATF could handle the influx of paperwork to hand out stamps. they cant even handle their current load. Which would then ask the question of what are people supposed to do for the year+ wait while waiting for thepaperwork to go through
>what are people supposed to do for the year+ wait while waiting for the paperwork to go through
they're supposed to hand them in to the ATF for safekeeping.
No. It's a way to freely register your gun and have a huge amount of administrative overhead strapped to it at risk of mistake and being charged with a felony.
I hope for all the people that accept the amnesty for an sbr that there 3x's as many people 3d printing bbbbrrrrring for sbr submissions to back up the NFA submission process.
I've only heard about the SB brace constantly but ive never seen anybody consider the Gearworks brace as still just a brace
it's completely different, requires a proprietary buffer tube and is literally made to open outwards for your arm to rest on
are you telling me this is also going to be considered a stock?
Fold that little piece in and it's identical to a regular stock.
Embarrassing that people here are doing mental gymnastics to justify braces, when all of you already know you don't care about the justification and ultimately subscribe to "shall not be infringed" ideology.
>people here are doing mental gymnastics to justify braces
frick you shall not be infringed is my justification I'll shoulder my brace if I want to and the gAyTF can die for it if they care that much
You can look over the worksheet and guess, but many of the criteria are subjective so two different atf agents would probably get different scores judging it.
>you can't have a stock on your pistol because.... >It's a gangster gun! You just can't do it! >No! no......... I didn't say gangster in a racially charged way please don't kill me for being white
Grabbers and crypto grabbers deserve nothing. Never stop pushing against these laws.
they will try to frick you and drum up charges anyway they can. they charged fps russia for removing/modifying a serial number on a weapon because he spraypainted one of his guns
It’s going to wind up in court the way that the frames and receiver rule is. Not sure how long it will drag out. If we are lucky it will be a disability org taking the ATF to court and they can win.
If it is going to just end up as a effectively a free SBR stamp then frick it, I'll probably submit it for all the stuff I was intending to SBR anyhow since frick paying $200 every fricking time.
If we're stuck using the brace and can't swap for a stock, then there's no fricking point. I'll just SBR my shit slowly.
more like the ATF uses it to create a registry of houses to shoot dogs after "losing" the grandfather paperwork.
No, you idiot. Tax stamps aren't even expensive enough to worry over. The point is literally inviting the Feds to frick your ass.
Brutal truth, imagine paying to put yourself on a registry
Maybe. Nobody knows, and everyone has their tinfoil hat on with what the ATF is gonna do.
Me personally? If I can get a free stamp while also being able to remove the cope stock, I will be doing it
It's a very spicy take but these were designed as an aid for disabled. If normal people are just gonna shoulder them anyway, is it really a brace at that point?
NFA is moronic don't get me wrong but braces and shit like forced reset triggers give the gun community a bad rap
All these guys going "TEE HEE" because they're getting eerily close to an NFA item are the problem
Can't blame them for trying but then people get panties in a wad when they lose.
braces are beautiful because they operate on what is technically correct and words have meaning
if a rifle of less than 16 inch barrel and no stock is to be considered a "handgun" then a stock you can put your arm through is absolutely just a brace
atf and antigun gays wanna argue semantics well here we are; but it is INSANE to think an unelected agency can change the agreed upon definition for the past decade on a whim
Then 10 years ago or whenever these things became a thing they should have said "no we aren't going to allow this"
I don't like this idea of turning people into felons overnight. This is just like the bump stock ban just this time around you'll be put on a list
I agree that these things exist to skate around laws but the ATF could have done something before god knows how many were sold.
The NFA is an unconstitutional law anyway, and bureaucrats can get fricked and slotted, in no particular order.
You dipshit you have to prove you are using a pistol brace, not a stock.
You do realize a brace is $40 these days, right?
And a stock is also $40
https://www.deltateamtactical.com/omega-mfg-ar-15-mil-spec-buffer-tube-kit-275-oz-buffer.html
And an sba3 knockoff from Amazon or
https://www.deltateamtactical.com/trinity-force-ar-pistol-brace-buffer-tube-combo-74167.html
Put you under $40
>If we just compromise maybe they'll let us keep our single shot .22s
>physics, geometry, raw materials made illegal by deranged pedophiles
>”better listen to ‘em guys. We don’t want to get in trouble.”
4 inches of polygonally rifled pipe is not an act. It is not a crime in the philosophical sense. A steel bolt with a fixed firing pin is not an evil deed. It is an inanimate objects.
>can't tell if bootlicker or glowie
I bet you also thought bump stocks were ok to get banned because it gives gun owners a bad rep too right?
I thought they were OK to get banned because they were so obviously not machine guns it would be overturned in short order (it was) and it gave us four years without Congress trying to pass an AWB. Now we've got Bruen v. NYSRPA to wienerblock further attempts.
>Chipping away at rights is the long game to success
yeah your a moron
>It was overturned
then explain why bump stocks are still illegal?
> If I can get a free stamp while also being able to remove the cope stock
You won't be able to. ATF will require photos of the gun with brace as part of the grandfathering application. Which means the gun will be tied to the brace and you won't be able to replace with a stock - otherwise why require a photo of the gun?
To prove that you even own a brace and aren't just taking the chance to get a free SBR/SBS stamp for any gun you want.
I’m disabled (mentally) and I love shooting them one handed as intended.
>It's a very spicy take but these were designed as an aid for disabled.
I do wonder if a brace ban would result in a ADA lawsuit. That would really be something.
They are trying to skirt that by not completely banning but instead regulating them to death. The Form 4999 points system makes building a legal braced pistol almost impossible and much of it is completely arbitrary and the and ATF agent could just claim whatever didn't count as safe just because. It even includes bullshit like having BUIS would disqualify the gun.
don't believe this if you don't want to, but I worked at an FFL in Florida for a while and SB tacticals owner would pop in on occasion. when we questioned him about the potential brace ban, he just mentioned something about an army of lawyers and the ADA before snickering and walking away
Found the CIA GN
No such thing as "free" the question is what the AThomosexuals will decide the cost is.
>yeah we decided they're actually not give us money or we arrest you
>oh yeah you were apparently fine so now all semiautomatic firearms are MGs turn them in
frick jannies
no way in fricking hell the ATF is going to give out free stamps to hundreds of thousands of people with braces. They’re going to just say get rid of the brace or get fricked. And then the Form 1 process is going to take as long as getting a can. Gayest timeline. But at least Ukraine is winning, right guys?
they estimate theres anywhere between 10-40million braced firearms out there. Say that theres 1million out there that to try to get it stamped. theres no way the ATF could handle the influx of paperwork to hand out stamps. they cant even handle their current load. Which would then ask the question of what are people supposed to do for the year+ wait while waiting for thepaperwork to go through
>what are people supposed to do for the year+ wait while waiting for the paperwork to go through
they're supposed to hand them in to the ATF for safekeeping.
Just put a stock on it and shut the frick up pussy. Don't let some government govern you.
Unfortunately it fricks with the ability to keep it loaded and concealed (i.e. in a vehicle) a right most states do not afford rifles or SBRs.
No. It's a way to freely register your gun and have a huge amount of administrative overhead strapped to it at risk of mistake and being charged with a felony.
Also for guns that can have the brace removed and have nothing there but a backplate that nothing can be attached to, do these stay pistols?
I think so. Denver has AWB for rifles with 15+ mags, but pistols with 30+ grandfathered mags are gtg.
I hope for all the people that accept the amnesty for an sbr that there 3x's as many people 3d printing bbbbrrrrring for sbr submissions to back up the NFA submission process.
I've only heard about the SB brace constantly but ive never seen anybody consider the Gearworks brace as still just a brace
it's completely different, requires a proprietary buffer tube and is literally made to open outwards for your arm to rest on
are you telling me this is also going to be considered a stock?
Fold that little piece in and it's identical to a regular stock.
Embarrassing that people here are doing mental gymnastics to justify braces, when all of you already know you don't care about the justification and ultimately subscribe to "shall not be infringed" ideology.
>people here are doing mental gymnastics to justify braces
frick you shall not be infringed is my justification I'll shoulder my brace if I want to and the gAyTF can die for it if they care that much
Yea... that's what I just said if you bothered to read the rest of the sentence.
don't care needed an excuse to post that picture and your post was good enough
what a legend
>ultimately subscribe to "shall not be infringed" ideology
This is the Constitution, yes
Braces are already a cope for the infringement of not being able to own an SBR without paying a tax and being on the atf shit list
they're also a useful way to get around state laws about having loaded rifles in cars
You can look over the worksheet and guess, but many of the criteria are subjective so two different atf agents would probably get different scores judging it.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2021-06-10/pdf/2021-12176.pdf
>you can't have a stock on your pistol because....
>It's a gangster gun! You just can't do it!
>No! no......... I didn't say gangster in a racially charged way please don't kill me for being white
Grabbers and crypto grabbers deserve nothing. Never stop pushing against these laws.
So if I buy one and don't use or store it unopen, do I have to register?
yes they will say u put it on the guns and take it off when theyre in storage when they raid ur house
Would this apply to solvent traps? if I buy it ,don' t mod and just store it and maybe mod it later if SHTF.
they will try to frick you and drum up charges anyway they can. they charged fps russia for removing/modifying a serial number on a weapon because he spraypainted one of his guns
That's why you must frick them harder. If they want to be your enemies, treat them as such.
What, no, you have to form 1 it
It’s going to wind up in court the way that the frames and receiver rule is. Not sure how long it will drag out. If we are lucky it will be a disability org taking the ATF to court and they can win.
a little bird told me this land we thought was free never was by design and to prepare however as you see fit.
I don't know, no one does.
If it is going to just end up as a effectively a free SBR stamp then frick it, I'll probably submit it for all the stuff I was intending to SBR anyhow since frick paying $200 every fricking time.
If we're stuck using the brace and can't swap for a stock, then there's no fricking point. I'll just SBR my shit slowly.
>free stamp
Nobody complains about the 200$… it’s the fingerprints and the wait times.
If there’s an amnesty you’ll still have to file paperwork.
and the government gets to dictate waht you do with that property to an even greater degree than normal, NFA paperwork is horseshit