So the /k/ shitpost about an iPad being jury rigged into the Mig was...just a shitpost. Still a very interesting development- I assume other countries with tons of Soviet gear with little cash to spare will look into making these Frankensteins as a temporary alternative.
Might be on the inside, it's not unheard of.
Other /k/tards claimed it was also likely they are pre-programmed and just have a rigged launch pylon like OP's image.
Its' the easiest way. Almost plug and play as burgers def had all the work already done in case they want to mount these weapons where they don't belong.
Probably developed in factory before even having it go in mass production where it's integrated in the weapon systems it is meant for. >Mount that pylon >Drag a cable or two to wienerpit >Install control unit and connect to power >plug the Ipad in and download the app
Done, just like throwing an aftermarket head unit in your shitbox
Told you Black folk that how they did it, at least now I have confirmed proof of the LAU-118A being adapted. I don't think they're using a MiG retrofitted with US electronics anymore, as the MiG's weapons control system still sees the HARM as an R-27EP. So, I think they're using the LAU-118/A with Aircraft Launch Interface Computer (ALIC)(see: circled area in pic) to control/program the HARM, and a simplug/adapter to make the MiG think it's talking to an R-27EP, and the ALIC to think it's talking to an F-16. I still think they're using the HARM in Pre-Briefed(PB) mode, though.
They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.
For the US DoD admitting to sending AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#
The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:
>In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland
>LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.
The tablet is more than likely flight planning software with integrated GPS to show the pilot when he is in the weapons launch window for certain pre-determined radars.
>I don't think they're using a MiG retrofitted with US electronics anymore
so you did not, in fact, tell anyone how they did it >I think they're using the LAU-118/A with Aircraft Launch Interface Computer
as you ought to have known >I still think they're using the HARM in Pre-Briefed(PB) mode
More likely, Range Unknown
>They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems
Quit declaring this as if it is a fact, when it's just your fricking opinion
Based on what I can tell the pylon is probably interpreting the launch signal intended for the R-27EP (a passive ARM variant of the Fox-3 R-27 into the AGM-88. We saw some wienerpit footage where the selected weapon was displayed as R-27EP.
I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems, it's probably operating in Pre-Brief, but this rail provides the launch command.
>I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems
Doesn't have to
As I kept saying, AGM-88 is more platform agnostic than some other weapons. Almost as easy to rig as Sidewinder.
AFAIK you can lob a HARM in the general direction of a radar and set it to home in on anything it finds. This means you have a chance of wasting a missile, but there is a non trivial chance of succeeding in hitting something, certainly something that disrupts/suppresses enemy missile systems
It’s probably more effective than it seems since Russians might try and turn on and off their radars.
The HARM remembers where you are though so you have no assurances you won’t be hit even if your radar is off.
I think TOO is much more likely, use the RWR / intel to point the right direction and send it, the seeker will start searching as soon as it comes off the rail.
To use PB you need to interface with the missile and give it the coordinates it's going to be fired from so the INS has a starting point. I doubt this is even possible because it's so impractical.
>I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems
It is, the crazy bastard hackers in the US pulled it off. They emulate an F16 for the AGM-88 and a R27-EP for the plane with a microcontroller which acts as an adapter.
The reason they chose this approach and not the pre-brief method is that they wanted the Ukrainian pilots to give the opportunity to react quickly to new appearing threats, making their mission less dependent on intel about the threats on the ground.JY4HN
Yes, it's a fact. The shortage on skilled workers is also heavily affecting defense contractors. Mathematical skills among the young are in freefall, Decadency is ruling over europe (including Russia) and the US.
the world still licenses it's in air refuelling tech and mobile phone chips from bongs, the USA still has the leading universities in the world, CERN is still kicking ass, the more you look the more awesome you'll find
Shortage of engineers willing to work for peanuts maybe. Somehow every time my company is looking for engineers they manage to find some to interview (though they would rather keep job postings open in the hopes someone will work for below market value pay). Never believe anyone who says there’s a “shortage” of workers. They really mean there’s a shortage of them willing to work for much less than what the other guy is paying. >t. Engineer in a defense semiconductor company
Yes, it's a fact. The shortage on skilled workers is also heavily affecting defense contractors. Mathematical skills among the young are in freefall, Decadency is ruling over europe (including Russia) and the US.
ARM is based in Bongland, nobody in asia can make a proper smokeless jet engine, the USA still has top tier silicon fabs, there's still plenty of tech expertise in the west friend
This kind of cooperation makes me happy. I loved old Soviet planes as a kid and thus have a soft spot for MiGs. Now seeing them firing NATO anit-radar missiles in defense of freedom... >mfw
kinda this, once you modify the dorsal spine to carry a reasonable fuel load and dump in the better radar and avoionics into the airframe, it loses its awesome thrust to weight ratio and ceases to be the snappy manueverable jet you started out with.
At that point you're better off just using a different platform
It's almost like they didn't learn from the last time they did the same.
At least the -29SMT isn't so unstable at certain fuel states that it randomly departs from controllable flight, while being used as a nap of the earth strike fighter, like the -21 SMT was.
MiG quality.
>Now seeing them firing NATO anit-radar missiles in defense of freedom... >>mfw
you are a idealistic rube, and a fool. please go volunteer for the meat grinder.
You missed funny thing, remember that you can get your sign on arty shell or rocket? well you can get your sign on HARM too! Only 10k usd! Soo someone spent 10k usd to write "you stink radar" from picrel meme hehe
What sort of control systems are needed inside the aircraft to arm, target, launch, whatever, the missile?
Is it just a wire with a pushbutton connected to a 9V battery? Or do these things require sophisticated electronics boxes to program them before launch?
>>What sort of control systems are needed inside the aircraft to arm, target, launch, whatever, the missile?
probably as little required to "initiate launch"
I'm sorry, Steve Jobs
A genius, truly a giant among men.
He invented the mouse, the laser printer, the mobile phone and tablets
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/681883
So the /k/ shitpost about an iPad being jury rigged into the Mig was...just a shitpost. Still a very interesting development- I assume other countries with tons of Soviet gear with little cash to spare will look into making these Frankensteins as a temporary alternative.
Not necessarily, the iPad could still be the main interface for targeting since those systems don't integrate with the MiG.
Do you think this is something new for Ukraine instead of something that has been standard-issue for the past 20 years?
>..just a shitpost.
its don't. Take a look :
See that LCD screen in center console? See how it is present in only half of the montage? That's it.
you can see really clearly at 58s that it's just running a navigation app, nothing related to the HARM
He flies at least two different MiG's in that compilation. Civilian GPS receivers also change back and forth.
>Bukbroken app
kek
Might be on the inside, it's not unheard of.
Other /k/tards claimed it was also likely they are pre-programmed and just have a rigged launch pylon like OP's image.
Nobody was saying an ipad was holding the missile on the outside.
Its' the easiest way. Almost plug and play as burgers def had all the work already done in case they want to mount these weapons where they don't belong.
Probably developed in factory before even having it go in mass production where it's integrated in the weapon systems it is meant for.
>Mount that pylon
>Drag a cable or two to wienerpit
>Install control unit and connect to power
>plug the Ipad in and download the app
Done, just like throwing an aftermarket head unit in your shitbox
>yeah just download the Bukbroken app from the apple store
Systems integration does not work like this but Ok
I believe it was confirmed.
https://theaviationist.com/2022/08/30/first-footage-of-ukrainian-mig-firing-arm-emerges/
Wouldn't be that surprising, they did some other weird shit with Harpoon missiles where they basically strapped them to some trucks.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/how-the-u-s-rushed-harpoon-anti-ship-missiles-to-ukraine
Told you Black folk that how they did it, at least now I have confirmed proof of the LAU-118A being adapted. I don't think they're using a MiG retrofitted with US electronics anymore, as the MiG's weapons control system still sees the HARM as an R-27EP. So, I think they're using the LAU-118/A with Aircraft Launch Interface Computer (ALIC)(see: circled area in pic) to control/program the HARM, and a simplug/adapter to make the MiG think it's talking to an R-27EP, and the ALIC to think it's talking to an F-16. I still think they're using the HARM in Pre-Briefed(PB) mode, though.
They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.
For the US DoD admitting to sending AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#
The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:
>In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland
>LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.
The tablet is more than likely flight planning software with integrated GPS to show the pilot when he is in the weapons launch window for certain pre-determined radars.
As you can see on the Head Down Display (HDD) of the MiG-29, the weapons control system recognizes the HARM as an R-27EP still. One on each wing.
>I don't think they're using a MiG retrofitted with US electronics anymore
so you did not, in fact, tell anyone how they did it
>I think they're using the LAU-118/A with Aircraft Launch Interface Computer
as you ought to have known
>I still think they're using the HARM in Pre-Briefed(PB) mode
More likely, Range Unknown
>They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems
Quit declaring this as if it is a fact, when it's just your fricking opinion
Cope Black person.
ywnbaw
How does the MIG feel about this?
This is new and kinky. Western HARM missile on soviet Mig....very naughty and flirting with the taboo.
Feels like a crossdresser.
sauce on pic?
Based on what I can tell the pylon is probably interpreting the launch signal intended for the R-27EP (a passive ARM variant of the Fox-3 R-27 into the AGM-88. We saw some wienerpit footage where the selected weapon was displayed as R-27EP.
I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems, it's probably operating in Pre-Brief, but this rail provides the launch command.
>I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems
Doesn't have to
As I kept saying, AGM-88 is more platform agnostic than some other weapons. Almost as easy to rig as Sidewinder.
It doesn't need to be pre briefed. The pilot can patrol around until the missile finds a lock then launch.
that requires RWR integration which is probably not possible with the Soviet shit cans with their barely functional ones.
This.
Russian RWRs aren't even close to Vietnam era US gear.
AFAIK you can lob a HARM in the general direction of a radar and set it to home in on anything it finds. This means you have a chance of wasting a missile, but there is a non trivial chance of succeeding in hitting something, certainly something that disrupts/suppresses enemy missile systems
It’s probably more effective than it seems since Russians might try and turn on and off their radars.
The HARM remembers where you are though so you have no assurances you won’t be hit even if your radar is off.
Says who?
Pilot detects radar on inbuilt Soviet RWR, notes bearing, shoots HARM at that bearing in search-and-destroy mode
I think TOO is much more likely, use the RWR / intel to point the right direction and send it, the seeker will start searching as soon as it comes off the rail.
To use PB you need to interface with the missile and give it the coordinates it's going to be fired from so the INS has a starting point. I doubt this is even possible because it's so impractical.
>I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems
It is, the crazy bastard hackers in the US pulled it off. They emulate an F16 for the AGM-88 and a R27-EP for the plane with a microcontroller which acts as an adapter.
The reason they chose this approach and not the pre-brief method is that they wanted the Ukrainian pilots to give the opportunity to react quickly to new appearing threats, making their mission less dependent on intel about the threats on the ground.JY4HN
>A bit of a closeup on how mounted the HARM and the MIG.
OP Correction-A bit of a closeup on how they mounted the HARM on the MIG.
Frick your correction. I want to see
>A bit of a closeup on how mounted the HARM and the MIG.
Now
Really surprised they had engineers left to pull it off, technical expertise is on the decline anywhere but in asia.
If you unironically believe this you need to get off the internet and live in reality, this website is destroying your perception of normality.
t. Works at Raytheon
Don't you know the west just a decrepit house of cards just waiting to be kicked down by based trad countries like China and Russia?
Yes, it's a fact. The shortage on skilled workers is also heavily affecting defense contractors. Mathematical skills among the young are in freefall, Decadency is ruling over europe (including Russia) and the US.
>Decadency
Spotted the ESL. -2 to your social credit score.
>Decadency
Decadence. Don't make redundant grammatical suffixes
the world still licenses it's in air refuelling tech and mobile phone chips from bongs, the USA still has the leading universities in the world, CERN is still kicking ass, the more you look the more awesome you'll find
Shortage of engineers willing to work for peanuts maybe. Somehow every time my company is looking for engineers they manage to find some to interview (though they would rather keep job postings open in the hopes someone will work for below market value pay). Never believe anyone who says there’s a “shortage” of workers. They really mean there’s a shortage of them willing to work for much less than what the other guy is paying.
>t. Engineer in a defense semiconductor company
>t. a country that still imports ball bearings
He’s right I’m not so good at math
Your yellow is showing
ARM is based in Bongland, nobody in asia can make a proper smokeless jet engine, the USA still has top tier silicon fabs, there's still plenty of tech expertise in the west friend
This kind of cooperation makes me happy. I loved old Soviet planes as a kid and thus have a soft spot for MiGs. Now seeing them firing NATO anit-radar missiles in defense of freedom...
>mfw
imagine the new life all the birds could get with not shit electronics and better avionics and missiles from the west.
Everything they always deserved.
Mig-29s are just bad though, doesn't matter how good they look.
kinda this, once you modify the dorsal spine to carry a reasonable fuel load and dump in the better radar and avoionics into the airframe, it loses its awesome thrust to weight ratio and ceases to be the snappy manueverable jet you started out with.
At that point you're better off just using a different platform
It's almost like they didn't learn from the last time they did the same.
At least the -29SMT isn't so unstable at certain fuel states that it randomly departs from controllable flight, while being used as a nap of the earth strike fighter, like the -21 SMT was.
MiG quality.
>Now seeing them firing NATO anit-radar missiles in defense of freedom...
>>mfw
you are a idealistic rube, and a fool. please go volunteer for the meat grinder.
ssh nibbler
>I love the MIC and I'm tired of pretending that I don't
This was developed by Poland, as they had a program to try to adapt HARM and other US missiles onto their Mig-29s before realizing there's no point.
Shhh, don't tell em
You missed funny thing, remember that you can get your sign on arty shell or rocket? well you can get your sign on HARM too! Only 10k usd! Soo someone spent 10k usd to write "you stink radar" from picrel meme hehe
NOOOOO I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED TO PAY A BILLION DOLLAR TO LOCKHEED AND BOEING TO MAKE AN ADAPTER!!!!
What sort of control systems are needed inside the aircraft to arm, target, launch, whatever, the missile?
Is it just a wire with a pushbutton connected to a 9V battery? Or do these things require sophisticated electronics boxes to program them before launch?
>>What sort of control systems are needed inside the aircraft to arm, target, launch, whatever, the missile?
probably as little required to "initiate launch"
Can they also integrate other NATO fire and forget missiles (Brimstone, Maverick etc)?
long range missiles when
>iPad
it's a fricking Garmin Aera GPS/NAV unit
What a weird name for an iPad
I'm sorry, Steve Jobs
A genius, truly a giant among men.
He invented the mouse, the laser printer, the mobile phone and tablets
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/681883