MIG29/HARM details.

A bit of a closeup on how mounted the HARM and the MIG.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1570426686872715265

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So the PrepHole shitpost about an iPad being jury rigged into the Mig was...just a shitpost. Still a very interesting development- I assume other countries with tons of Soviet gear with little cash to spare will look into making these Frankensteins as a temporary alternative.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not necessarily, the iPad could still be the main interface for targeting since those systems don't integrate with the MiG.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think this is something new for Ukraine instead of something that has been standard-issue for the past 20 years?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >..just a shitpost.

      its don't. Take a look :

      See that LCD screen in center console? See how it is present in only half of the montage? That's it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you can see really clearly at 58s that it's just running a navigation app, nothing related to the HARM

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He flies at least two different MiG's in that compilation. Civilian GPS receivers also change back and forth.

        >yeah just download the Bukbroken app from the apple store

        >Bukbroken app
        kek

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Might be on the inside, it's not unheard of.
      Other PrepHoletards claimed it was also likely they are pre-programmed and just have a rigged launch pylon like OP's image.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody was saying an ipad was holding the missile on the outside.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its' the easiest way. Almost plug and play as burgers def had all the work already done in case they want to mount these weapons where they don't belong.
      Probably developed in factory before even having it go in mass production where it's integrated in the weapon systems it is meant for.
      >Mount that pylon
      >Drag a cable or two to cockpit
      >Install control unit and connect to power
      >plug the Ipad in and download the app
      Done, just like throwing an aftermarket head unit in your shitbox

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yeah just download the Bukbroken app from the apple store

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Systems integration does not work like this but Ok

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I believe it was confirmed.
      https://theaviationist.com/2022/08/30/first-footage-of-ukrainian-mig-firing-arm-emerges/

      Wouldn't be that surprising, they did some other weird shit with Harpoon missiles where they basically strapped them to some trucks.

      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/how-the-u-s-rushed-harpoon-anti-ship-missiles-to-ukraine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Told you morons that how they did it, at least now I have confirmed proof of the LAU-118A being adapted. I don't think they're using a MiG retrofitted with US electronics anymore, as the MiG's weapons control system still sees the HARM as an R-27EP. So, I think they're using the LAU-118/A with Aircraft Launch Interface Computer (ALIC)(see: circled area in pic) to control/program the HARM, and a simplug/adapter to make the MiG think it's talking to an R-27EP, and the ALIC to think it's talking to an F-16. I still think they're using the HARM in Pre-Briefed(PB) mode, though.

      They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems, and LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount.

      For the US DoD admitting to sending AMG-88 HARMs being fired from Ukrainian aircraft at ~27m40s here:
      https://www.c-span.org/video/?522229-1/pentagon-estimates-russian-casualties-70-80k-ukraine-war#

      The Polish Mig-29's being upgraded to NATO MIL-STD-1553B data bus here:

      >In 2011-2014 period 16 aircraft from the 1. elt received second modernization package, consisting of MFCD 5”x7” multi-function display, MDP mission computer, Up-Front Control Panel (UFCP), Honeywell Enhanced GPS Inertial navigation system (EGI) with SAASM, MIL-STD-1553B data bus and Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 (Talon RT-8200) VHF/UHF radio, exploitation was changed from flight hours to based on technical status.[8][9]
      https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan_MiG-29_operators#_Poland

      >LAU-118/A missile launcher adapted to the Mig-29's pylon mount
      The LAU-118/A is the launcher for the AGM-88 HARM, and would be trivial to adapt to the Mig-29 pylon that already has the MIL-STD-1553 wiring. This is my speculation, as I don't have a source it was done.

      The tablet is more than likely flight planning software with integrated GPS to show the pilot when he is in the weapons launch window for certain pre-determined radars.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As you can see on the Head Down Display (HDD) of the MiG-29, the weapons control system recognizes the HARM as an R-27EP still. One on each wing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think they're using a MiG retrofitted with US electronics anymore
        so you did not, in fact, tell anyone how they did it
        >I think they're using the LAU-118/A with Aircraft Launch Interface Computer
        as you ought to have known
        >I still think they're using the HARM in Pre-Briefed(PB) mode
        More likely, Range Unknown

        >They're rigged to the Mig-29's with NATO(US) standard 1553 bus systems
        Quit declaring this as if it is a fact, when it's just your fucking opinion

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope moron.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ywnbaw

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does the MIG feel about this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is new and kinky. Western HARM missile on soviet Mig....very naughty and flirting with the taboo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Feels like a crossdresser.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sauce on pic?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based on what I can tell the pylon is probably interpreting the launch signal intended for the R-27EP (a passive ARM variant of the Fox-3 R-27 into the AGM-88. We saw some cockpit footage where the selected weapon was displayed as R-27EP.
    I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems, it's probably operating in Pre-Brief, but this rail provides the launch command.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems
      Doesn't have to
      As I kept saying, AGM-88 is more platform agnostic than some other weapons. Almost as easy to rig as Sidewinder.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't need to be pre briefed. The pilot can patrol around until the missile finds a lock then launch.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that requires RWR integration which is probably not possible with the Soviet shit cans with their barely functional ones.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This.

          Russian RWRs aren't even close to Vietnam era US gear.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AFAIK you can lob a HARM in the general direction of a radar and set it to home in on anything it finds. This means you have a chance of wasting a missile, but there is a non trivial chance of succeeding in hitting something, certainly something that disrupts/suppresses enemy missile systems

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s probably more effective than it seems since Russians might try and turn on and off their radars.
            The HARM remembers where you are though so you have no assurances you won’t be hit even if your radar is off.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Says who?

          Pilot detects radar on inbuilt Soviet RWR, notes bearing, shoots HARM at that bearing in search-and-destroy mode

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think TOO is much more likely, use the RWR / intel to point the right direction and send it, the seeker will start searching as soon as it comes off the rail.
      To use PB you need to interface with the missile and give it the coordinates it's going to be fired from so the INS has a starting point. I doubt this is even possible because it's so impractical.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm still not convinced it's possible for the missile to interface with the jet's systems

      It is, the crazy bastard hackers in the US pulled it off. They emulate an F16 for the AGM-88 and a R27-EP for the plane with a microcontroller which acts as an adapter.

      The reason they chose this approach and not the pre-brief method is that they wanted the Ukrainian pilots to give the opportunity to react quickly to new appearing threats, making their mission less dependent on intel about the threats on the ground.JY4HN

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >A bit of a closeup on how mounted the HARM and the MIG.
    OP Correction-A bit of a closeup on how they mounted the HARM on the MIG.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck your correction. I want to see
      >A bit of a closeup on how mounted the HARM and the MIG.
      Now

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really surprised they had engineers left to pull it off, technical expertise is on the decline anywhere but in asia.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you unironically believe this you need to get off the internet and live in reality, this website is destroying your perception of normality.

      t. Works at Raytheon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't you know the west just a decrepit house of cards just waiting to be kicked down by based trad countries like China and Russia?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it's a fact. The shortage on skilled workers is also heavily affecting defense contractors. Mathematical skills among the young are in freefall, Decadency is ruling over europe (including Russia) and the US.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Decadency

          Spotted the ESL. -2 to your social credit score.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Decadency
          Decadence. Don't make redundant grammatical suffixes

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the world still licenses it's in air refuelling tech and mobile phone chips from bongs, the USA still has the leading universities in the world, CERN is still kicking ass, the more you look the more awesome you'll find

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shortage of engineers willing to work for peanuts maybe. Somehow every time my company is looking for engineers they manage to find some to interview (though they would rather keep job postings open in the hopes someone will work for below market value pay). Never believe anyone who says there’s a “shortage” of workers. They really mean there’s a shortage of them willing to work for much less than what the other guy is paying.
          >t. Engineer in a defense semiconductor company

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. a country that still imports ball bearings

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He’s right I’m not so good at math

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, it's a fact. The shortage on skilled workers is also heavily affecting defense contractors. Mathematical skills among the young are in freefall, Decadency is ruling over europe (including Russia) and the US.

      Your yellow is showing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ARM is based in Bongland, nobody in asia can make a proper smokeless jet engine, the USA still has top tier silicon fabs, there's still plenty of tech expertise in the west friend

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This kind of cooperation makes me happy. I loved old Soviet planes as a kid and thus have a soft spot for MiGs. Now seeing them firing NATO anit-radar missiles in defense of freedom...
    >mfw

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine the new life all the birds could get with not shit electronics and better avionics and missiles from the west.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everything they always deserved.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mig-29s are just bad though, doesn't matter how good they look.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          kinda this, once you modify the dorsal spine to carry a reasonable fuel load and dump in the better radar and avoionics into the airframe, it loses its awesome thrust to weight ratio and ceases to be the snappy manueverable jet you started out with.

          At that point you're better off just using a different platform

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's almost like they didn't learn from the last time they did the same.
            At least the -29SMT isn't so unstable at certain fuel states that it randomly departs from controllable flight, while being used as a nap of the earth strike fighter, like the -21 SMT was.
            MiG quality.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Now seeing them firing NATO anit-radar missiles in defense of freedom...
      >>mfw
      you are a idealistic rube, and a fool. please go volunteer for the meat grinder.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ssh nibbler

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I love the MIC and I'm tired of pretending that I don't

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This was developed by Poland, as they had a program to try to adapt HARM and other US missiles onto their Mig-29s before realizing there's no point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      T-I-G-E-R-S

      Shhh, don't tell em

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You missed funny thing, remember that you can get your sign on arty shell or rocket? well you can get your sign on HARM too! Only 10k usd! Soo someone spent 10k usd to write "you stink radar" from picrel meme hehe

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NOOOOO I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED TO PAY A BILLION DOLLAR TO LOCKHEED AND BOEING TO MAKE AN ADAPTER!!!!

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What sort of control systems are needed inside the aircraft to arm, target, launch, whatever, the missile?

    Is it just a wire with a pushbutton connected to a 9V battery? Or do these things require sophisticated electronics boxes to program them before launch?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>What sort of control systems are needed inside the aircraft to arm, target, launch, whatever, the missile?
      probably as little required to "initiate launch"

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can they also integrate other NATO fire and forget missiles (Brimstone, Maverick etc)?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    long range missiles when

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >iPad
    it's a fucking Garmin Aera GPS/NAV unit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What a weird name for an iPad

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sorry, Steve Jobs
        A genius, truly a giant among men.
        He invented the mouse, the laser printer, the mobile phone and tablets
        https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/681883

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