>KAC's entire claim to fame is the M110
>But the rifle is infamously pretty shit and people who have used it in combat really don't like the thing
Can someone explain to me why guccigays continue to worship this company and why anyone would pay out the nose for this shitty rifle when you can get a SCAR for cheaper?
Your entire premise is wrong. KAC’s claim to fame is everything they make being fantastic.
Then why is that the only gun they make that anyone important uses?
Secret service uses SR16s numb nuts
Okay and? How often is the secret service carrying an AR into combat? They're always either armed with handguns/PDWs or set up in overwatch with a sniper.
>Okay and? How often is the secret service carrying an AR into combat
Everyone is afraid to fight them. But in all seriousness, they protect the most powerful man in the world and choose a Knights Armament. You can gloat when they pick PSA I guess.
The Secret Service can basically spend "lmao whatever it costs" money on small arms. ANYTHING that can be bought and produced in the western world is on their purchase list. Per unit cost, per ammo cost doesn't matter to them. They can buy literally whatever they want, no matter how boutique or gucci or small-unit-production, and they CHOOSE Knights Armament. That should tell you something
The Ranger Recon Company also uses SR-16s.
He went from I think 2nd batt to SF. He was never apart of the RRC
noob tube on .22 rail
I thought they learned not to do this or old pic
Why do they have NVGs outside in the daytime?
incase someone turns the sun off.
17HMR in the neck from 200 yards.
Gurgling bloody mess.
You need to stop getting your education off PrepHole dude. Holy shit.
>infamously pretty shit
2 people I talked to who carried it liked it, except for how God damn long it was with the supressor.
KAC main selling point is it's dope logo and it's quad rails.
Is it safe to insert the supressor inside my anus or do I end like Mr. Hands?
Should be safe enough if you wait for it to cool down and use lube.
Lube or Lubeanon?
>sick ass rail
>sick ass suppressor
>sick ass stock
>sick ass caliber
Idk anon
>Disabled furry
lmao
>he thinks furry is an insult
Also you're probably malding about not even being able to afford a ris 2 lmao kope
I see your ban is finally over anon!
Every interview with actual servicemen who used it when it came out absolutely loved it for the advantages it had over bolt-action rifles and the shit-ass M1As converted to designated marksman use. KYS, homo.
Yeah not shit it's better than an M14 that was raped into being a precision rifle or a fricking bolt gun. But give them a SCAR or an LMT and they would absolutely prefer those.
The LMT is literally an SR25 copy and the SCAR is a worse rifle than both in every way except price.
>SCAR is a worse rifle than both in every way
You are genuinely moronic. The SCAR weighs half as much while being more reliable and just as accurate.
>more reliable
lmao
>and just as accurate.
SCAR confirmed justasgood
Keep coping.
KAC>LMT>>>>>FN
you don't own a firearm from a single one of those manufacturers.
>The SCAR weighs half as much
>16” regular barrel with mlok LMT is about 9.8 lbs, so lets say 10lbs
>SCAR17 is 8 lbs
The scar is light, but lets not make exaggerated claims here.
>just as accurate.
The SCAR 20 may be as accurate, but the SCAR 17 isn't.
But the warranty gets voided if you suppress it and i dont know if you know what that long tube on the kac is sir.
They weren't around back then, you absolute homosexual. And SCARs are NOT a fricking precision rifle. Not inherently accurate and shit triggers. And an LMT is basically an AR-10, so you are agreeing with me.
>sub moa
>"not inherently accurate"
keep digging
There may be a reality where the SCAR is “sub-MOA” but it’s not this one.
SCAR 20 is
Before or after you turn it into a bolt action because it pops primers causing malfunctions every time you fire?
Yes I have watched a single video on YouTube as well
Lmao it’s so bad some stores don’t even stock the 6.5CM version of the 20. Let’s not pretend MAC has a 1 and a million example here.
>6.5CM
6.5CM users deserve it. The 308 20s is sub moa and has no issues
I see the KAC IDF is here already.
I know every team who used the SR25 hated it and had horrific experiences, but I haven't heard anything about the m110
what were the complaints?
KAC invented the RIS system. Its like saying Chrysler is only known for their minivans, it may be so but they invented power steering; so their DNA is in every modern car.
>car company analogy
Chrysler is dead, they're just a brand name owned by Chysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram-Fiat-Citroen-Opel-Peugot-Vauxhall-Alfa-Lancia-Maserati doing business as Stellantis
And just like Chrysler, KAC is a shit company propped up by government gibs and braindead boomers.
Unlike Chrysler, KAC is still an independent company.
I would sooner believe that those who dislike the m110 did so because of the shitty scopes, rather than the gun itself.
Yeah, I'm sure the complaints about the reliability were actually caused by the scope.
The M110, like every fricking thing fielded by the military, especially the damn SCAR, has issues.
I am a gunsmith. I have worked on SR-25's, FN-SCAR's, and M14's. The SR-25 is the objective best option of the three.
Most of the complaints regarding the SR-25's accuracy came from snipers, whom are used to bolt guns explicitly engineered for accuracy and nothing else.
Most of the complaints regarding reliability come from SCARgays, who don't like how the AR-platform's intended configuration is several magnitudes more effective than the SCAR, and use the SCAR's one half-decent leg up as justification.
Fact is, the AR-10 platform was engineered to have light weight, low recoil, and amazing accuracy for a semi-auto design. Eugene Stoner succeeded, and proceeded to watch the military force him to downsize his achievement to the AR-15.
The SCAR, meanwhile, was made to be an M14 in disguise, and has all of the same fundamental engineering failings.
Over reliance on weight to reduce recoil.
A shitty hybrid short-stroke long-stroke piston system that has the benefits of neither system.
These are the two cornerstones of the SCAR and M14; heavy and impractical abominations designed by committee, not engineers.
The AR platform was engineered specifically to solve the problem, every single marksman that had me fix their SR-25 likes theirs, and every single "operator" I knew that owned a SCAR tried to pawn it off to me when the damn things inevitably lost their charm and reality set in that they got scammed.
>These are the two cornerstones of the SCAR and M14; heavy
homie what. The SCAR is light as frick for a .308 autoloader.
>The SCAR, meanwhile, was made to be an M14 in disguise
>Over reliance on weight to reduce recoil.
wtf are you talking about, noguns
>the AR-platform's intended configuration is several magnitudes more effective than the SCAR
hyperbolic bullshit. who are you trying to impress with such nonsense?
>military force him to downsize his achievement to the AR-15.
that's just plain wrong. watch the Stoner interview. he himself co-created the .223 and was content with the result.
>I am a gunsmith.
keep lying on the internet, homosexual
You've voided your warranty, oof
>was made to be an M14 in disguise
Just put that at the beginning next time so I can stop reading sooner. Verification not required.
Nice larp fking liar
>”I’m a gunsmith everybody!”
Either you’re the worlds worst gunsmith and you know very little about what you’re talked about…or more likely you’re a liar LARPing as a gunsmith to try and justify your disdain and inability to afford a SCAR. I do actually work with firearms, and I can tell you having shot the SCAR-17 and 16 multiple times they’re both extremely soft recoiling. Though I will say the SCAR-16 in all honesty is an over rated concept the 17 is excellent and typically the only work orders I’m filling on them are for dudes who have no idea how to mount a muzzle device to make it a suppressor host.
>TLDR You’re a lying noguns LARPing as a gunsmith because you can’t afford a SCAR.
Scar 17 has horrible recoil.
uhhhhh
… for a troony
says literally nobody who has actually shot one
IMO my former scar 17 had more recoil than my brownells AR10, FAL, SR25 or APC308.
What a fricking moron
Why has this board devolved into consumerist brand wars?
hex receiver mosins got too expensive.
It was always like this, what the frick are you talking about?
the matrix must be fed
newbie
because of /ARG/
The same gay shit happens in akg but it's over ancient shit with particle board handguards
Rifle is fine, I’ve used it plenty and had no real complaints other than shooting alongside an xm2010 it really becomes apparent how lacking 7.62 nato really is as a long range round.
>t. B4
KAC make the Stoner LMG which is the single best fricking belt fed used by socom ever.
Magazines are shit and it's too fricking long. Both the LOP (whose idea was it to make an A2 stock that can only get longer?), and suppressor are unnecessarily big
KAC claim to fame is the hand guard, moron
quad rails are dogshit.
Aren't these in the process of being replaced with a 417 variant?
No, the M110A1 is a dmr with 200m less effective range than the M110. Funnily enough my old unit received theirs like 2 years ago and they were all immediately deadlined because of an extractor issue, and even after that was fixed they were never once (during my time there anyway) taken out of the arms room and used.
The one design flaw is the suppressor mount. It relies on a slip fit for alignment. As you shoot it, it will carbon lock onto the alignment features and will then hold zero. As soon as you knock it hard or remove it, it will change your zero. It's small, and it varies across all of them depending on how perfect the fitup is, but it's a real issue at range.
Substantiate your claims
From who did you hear that the M110 is bad? All veterans I talked to have said it was fine, including a ranger marksman.
KAC is owned by moronic lazy fat boomers who don’t have an ounce of integrity or give a shit about their customers.
didnt they say that they dont like selling their rifles to civilians? what a bunch of homosexuals
Yes, cause then people actually attempt to hold them accountable for shitty QC.
That was over a decade ago and a result of bad barrels.
Every SR-25 since was good.
Ask a guy who owns one anything
>although I will be going to bed shortly
How does it feel to shoot?
surprisingly light recoiling, it is absolutley not made to be shot from anything other than prone IMO, the suppressor really is frick huge. Carbon lock on the can is a concern however I clean mine after shooting to mitigate it. Overall it is a very nice gun that I like a lot and I really want to get their 6.5 upper to see how it shoots.
>will post pics shortly once I get in bed and have my phone.
>fr f2 as well
>desert setting
Is that you, Ian?
Whoever you are, you must have a hell of a job to afford tastes like that.
Not him but there were a bunch of FRF2s for sale on eurooptic a while ago.
The OG M110/MK11 has issues because it is a gun designed in the 1980s based off the original AR-10 pattern. They are also shit old and have been used and abused in inventory for quite a while.
When they were adopted there was no SCAR or AR-10 derivatives to compete with. Knights is responsible for the modern AR-10s that evolved past the Armalite designs.
>KAC doesn't give a frick about the civilian market
KAC's civilian orders program exists to keep them afloat between military contracts. They cannot afford nor justify upscaling their production to be able to meet government contracts with a surplus of capacity to sell to the civilian market at the same time. Their backlogs are assfricked right now, because they are stuck fulfilling the Marines NT4 suppressor order and SR-16s & LAMGs for USSOCOM.
Cool.
I pity all the normalgays who only know about the big defense contractors like Colt or Boeing, without realizing that there's a constellation of little guys who do specialty work for the government.
I would trade my large penis to switch places with you.
I’m dead serious.
Why hasn't the SR-25 been made with a forward assist?
Failure to go into battery isn't as common an issue on the big bore AR.
It could help on more adverse conditions.
Military didn't require it, and Stoner didn't want it.
Larue makes a shitload of money just making random mounts for shit, like the M68 CCO and light mounts and IZLID mounts and scope mounts. Same with Geissele, MIC is so fricking big that even scoring the small fry shit makes you millions.
People hate on companies that prefer military contracts to civilian, but think about all the companies that make things almost exclusively for the military sector (Smith Enterprises, Ops Inc/Allen Engineering, Krieger, A.R.M.S., etc etc.)
They shoot like .70 MOA from factory (5rd groups 175gr) and are semi automatic
Its one of the best semi auto .308s made, twice as accurate as a SCAR 17 with comparable ammo at the least
Mines hit .206 moa 3 round groups and .716 moa 5 round groups with 168gr SMK OTMs
Stop being poor
>lives in an apartment
Oh am I laffin
Weird, I've heard nothing but praise for it. "My baby" the sassr and about how much they loved it. Or the singular person but you get what i mean.
>people who have used it in combat really don't like the thing
Do you know anyone who has used it? The guys I worked with from 2004-2017 who were issued it raved about it (there's a lot of them). Put in great work with it. Had many, many combat deployments under their belt with it. The guys who were unfortunate enough to have gone from a modified M-14 rig to the M110 saw it as the second coming it was such an improvement in accuracy, reliability and manual of arms. I saw guys doing downright magical stuff with M118LR and an M110 at ranges that still boggle my mind. Seems like you are making shit up tbqh or relying entirely on dipshit internet gun nerds with no firsthand experience.