Is the west even remotely prepared for attrition warfare?

Russia proofed in ukraine that they can keep using artilery with barely any downtime.
While westerners are used to the comfort of only having to face tribesmen which gave them massive downtime for repairs and replacements.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tourist go home

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Countries like France, Germany, Greece and Sweden certainly aren't.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    come find out, third worlder

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Post actual links, please.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do it man
    Do it
    Invade Poland please please please

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Something something article 5 ?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe you should go back to spamming recruitment goals again, or take the classic "no drone footage or footage of javelins, they've all been sold on black market!" spam for another trip

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But Russian artillery is only good a hitting large targets like schools, hospitals and shopping centres.

    In a mobile war you need precision.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Prepared positions with ATGMs and SAMs can crush any mobile assault unless you use massed artilery like the russians.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and yet, all the Russian assaults have been crushed. it seems spamming shells like you're at the fucking Somme is not an effective tactic in the 21st century.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It actually is, the ukrainians are losing insane amounts of manpower, to the point that you can't see any regular troops anymore on frontlne footage, all just conscripts.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Based Charlie Magne Poster

            this. ukraine had originally promised a major offensive in late may/early june, the reason they haven't done shit is because they can't train their new conscripts fast enough to keep up with their losses so they've never been able to build up a reserve force for any kind of offensive.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I find it amazing that Russia took so few losses, killed every single professional soldier in Ukraine, and as a result the Russian advance is now even slower. Starting to wonder if those telegram channels might actually be lying about Russian and Ukrainian losses

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            of course they are, Baня.
            just two more weeks and you'll be sitting in Kiev with Zelenski's head on a platter, right? Just like in July, and in June, and in May, and in April, and in March.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The moment you would show us some sauce on your claims we would actually believe you

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you have a source on that?

              Source?

              A source. I need a source.

              Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

              No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

              You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

              Do you have a degree in that field?

              A college degree? In that field?

              Then your arguments are invalid.

              No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

              Correlation does not equal causation.

              CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you have nothing to back your fantasies.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                simmering

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fuckable mouthpussy.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Do you have some reliable source that hohols aren't getting their shit pushed in daily?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that the frontlines in the east haven't moved an inch in weeks, and that Russia lost settlements in Izium and Kherson?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the answer is no then.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's all per RU sources m8, as well as ISW and western intelligence. Everything I've stated is not contested at the moment by anyone 🙂

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                None of which has to do with hohol casualties. They just keep throwing nato money and ukrop bodies at it while making no progress.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They kill orc subhumans like you. That is the best kind of progress humanity can achieve.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Literally rooting for zog to kill more goyim.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >russia
                >not zog

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're both zog, anon, and they're all Russians. All Zelensky has to do is surrender.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i'd rather have ukraine as a buffer, shielding me from russmoron hordes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You say that as if the biggest threat to your own people isn't your own governments and the EU.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                my glorious leader mocked chuds on public brodcast, and EU can antagonise us only for so long. cope vatmoron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes. russian rapeapes are definetely the worse option. by far.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The rape apes in Russia are worse than the moron hordes you are forced to allow in your own country? You are a conquered people already.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you mean rape hordes that you were trying push through belarus and hordes that WE stopped? eat shit russmoron, who knows maybe 1610 will comece again

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who is this "you" and why do you think I'm Russian?
                Your countries are forced to accept muslims and morons. They rape your women and kill your children. You are thrown in jail for defending yourself against them, and fired from your jobs for speaking out against them.
                You are a prisoner in your own country, just as I am.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your countries are forced to accept muslims and morons.
                somehow Poland was able to tell sandmorons to fuck off, spray them with water cannons and build a big wall to keep them out.i can call them sandmorons and goatfuckers in my job, i can shittalk gays, and no one has ever told me that i did something wrong. not every country is a represive shithole like your country

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but you could tone down the racist rhetoric a little maybe ? Also, kys.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                jeez, life in Europe really sucks doesn't it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Both west and russia tried to force them on us in various period for 7 years now. And we told them to fuck off.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That would mean Russian are only being killed by AIDS, alcohol, hunger, abuse, suicide, and regular homicide. Even Russia would agree it's better the war continue so their people can at least pretend they're doing something cool when they get killed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Problem you have is that after four months of claiming every day the Ukrainian front line is taking horrific losses and is about to collapse, people start to question why the collapse never actually happened. Especially now the advance has almost completely stalled.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iraq did have antitank weapons and SAMs, pretending they were unarmed tribesmen is thirdie cope

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They clearly didn't because the US didn't lose choppers or vehicles to them
          Not in 2003 anyways

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe because the US knows the ins and outs of Soviet AA and AT equipment, almost like a post Cold War military should. It was merely ineffective and outdated.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Just because you know the ins and outs doesn't mean IFVs wouldn't take heavy losses if Iraqi ATGMs had existed

              Like that oft cited example where an Apache group flew into an "ambush" and took no losses

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Give the ukrainians a dozen f-35s and you'll see how long your memewaffen SAMs last.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Iraq had all of those and they did dick in the end. It's almost like competent armies with functioning weapons can neutralize defenses. Iraq also had a more formidable military than Ukraine and didn't share a border with the U.S.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Iraq also had a more formidable military than Ukraine
          Iraq had a more formidable military than Russia.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or you have airpower and precision weapons to break it up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and yet, all the Russian assaults have been crushed. it seems spamming shells like you're at the fucking Somme is not an effective tactic in the 21st century.

      Is Russian artillery that bad? They have some modern platforms, is the accuracy still an issue for them?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        their only guided munitions are big bombs and theyve wasted a lot. The rest are mortars, howitzers and rockets. All they ever do is saturate.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have to understand their tactical doctrine. For western armies, the point of artillery is keeping heads down or performing decapitating strikes in advance of troop insertion.

        For the Russians, artillery, due to never being as accurate, is used to flatten elevated ambush points as much as possible before committing to the charge for mopup operations. That's why GRAD's are still in such common operation vice howitzer-style artillery.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        consider an analogy to kids throwing rocks at each other
        America finds the best rock-thrower and the best rocks and says "hit that kid in the face"
        Russia finds the 10 strongest kids and gives them a mountain of shitty rocks and says "hit something"

        they're both valid tactics, but obviously against each other one will always win

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So here's how Americans work. The United States sees that the Russians say they have a dragon. It's a great fire breathing beast that can lay ruin to the vast Great Plains and countryside. So the Americans put a few or 10 billion dollars to research a dragon-killing sword. The sharpest sword they can possibly make, with the purest metals. Even rare metals imported from afar. They'll even invent entirely new methods of production or refinement to get those metals. In the end, after about a decade and billions, the Americans wind up with a few swords that they are quite confident can kill a dragon.

        Then they see that the dragon was a crocodile that the Russians tossed out of a IL-76 and rigged to a parachute. Yet the Americans still possess a dragon killing sword.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Based Charlie Magne Poster

    the west is divided into two camps, those - like germany and belgium - who are unprepared for warfare in any form, and those - like the US and France - who are superlatively prepared to get utterly recked against ragheaded sand monkeys.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >France - who are superlatively prepared
      France's military is a complete shitshow besides the foreign legion. Main reason is the constant purges of racists (aka patriots).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        like the germans did.
        Great work, you fucking retards..purging the only soldiers who are willing to die for their country, leaving the spineless res
        t.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if you aren't a goose-stepping retard willing to suck the dick of whoever has the loudest voice in the room (and let your CO fuck you in the asshole) then you can't possibly be a good, courageous soldier
          it's more courageous to tell strongmen to get fucked than it is to go along with them, retard.

          autocrats always confuse "i follow a strong man" with "i am strong". they're not the same thing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >let's discuss where we should take cover from this incoming fire
            >the CO told us to protect the flank, but we courageously did not obey
            >unified command structure? lol no, get fucked
            >why are we being encircled

            when its a team game, collectivists beat individualists

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              democratic societies still have hierarchical militaries retard. that's why when there's a coup the military always betrays the republic - because people who like and thrive in hierarchies always default to obeying whoever shouts at them the loudest.

              but you can't run everything like an army because not everything is a firefight.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Go ahead and look up the fate of those regiments that rebelled against their leadership in WWII and especially WWI. Neither they nor their nation benefitted at all from their indiscretion. The fact of the matter is war is a dirty business, and the worst thing that can happen when facing a prepared foe with cohesion is being unprepared and lacking cohesion.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              see

              democratic societies still have hierarchical militaries retard. that's why when there's a coup the military always betrays the republic - because people who like and thrive in hierarchies always default to obeying whoever shouts at them the loudest.

              but you can't run everything like an army because not everything is a firefight.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>>if you aren't a goose-stepping retard willing to suck the dick of whoever has the loudest voice in the room (and let your CO fuck you in the asshole) then you can't possibly be a good, courageous soldier
            I'll take Hitler any day over your multicultural hodgepodge of garden gnomery

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Real red pill is realizing that there is no multiculturalism in the west. You've just bought the brand. Everyone is locked into the march toward sodomy, debt, and feminism. That OUR culture and we aren't about to let some religious nutjob islamists, an autocrat, or anyone else coexist with it as you'd see in an actual multicultural society.

              I personally benefit from the current system and live a better life than I could on any other so it makes sense for myself and most others to support it. Only failures on the internet cry about it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we wont let people who try to violently dismantle multiculturalism into our multicultural society
                well.. yeah

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we wont let people who try to violently dismantle multiculturalism into our multicultural society
                well.. yeah

                I see you come with a very generalised message designed to resonate with people of limited age intelligence or education. That's nice. Take America for example, a place that has only existed for 200 years which has a population consisting of British, Mexicans, American Natives, Black Slaves, Protestant Freemasons, Italian Irish and Polish Catholics, garden gnomes, Chinese railroad workers, eskimos and fuck knows what else, fragmented into 50 states with different laws and you want to talk about MULTICULTURALISM? REALLY? LIKE THERE WAS ONE CULTURE TO BEGIN WITH? WHEN? THE ANSWER IS FUCKING NEVER. Now I don't like the modern left at all, did not like the old ideological marxist left at all either but if there is one thing I would throw in the bucket with them as laughably retarded it is the vatnik seeded fucking bucket of piss you idiots echo. I don't know at what point Americans started referring to socialists as liberals ( that one is a fucking triumph of Russian and left wing propagandists as is the phase neo liberal ) , I don't know exactly when 4chan turned into a poll of russian puke (it was always pretty shit) but I know it has. The consequence has been tens of millions of anons now want to see Russian hit with a total nuclear first strike.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The consequence has been tens of millions of anons now want to see Russian hit with a total nuclear first strike.
                Aka the moderates.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ruthenia delenda est.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Real red pill is realizing that there is no multiculturalism in the west
                based knower.

                >"multiculturalism"
                >there's only one legal system based on only one culture and all must obey the same laws
                >but at least we have curry 🙂
                "multiculturalism" is the greatest lie ever told. everything is capitalism, everything is property rights, everything is still run like an 1830s sweatshop factory except the sawblade has a safety guard now because it's cheaper to pay for safety guards than to put down rioting workers and unions.

                there is no multiculturalism, just the endless sound of cash registers.

                >>>if you aren't a goose-stepping retard willing to suck the dick of whoever has the loudest voice in the room (and let your CO fuck you in the asshole) then you can't possibly be a good, courageous soldier
                I'll take Hitler any day over your multicultural hodgepodge of garden gnomery

                >I'll take Hitler any day over your multicultural hodgepodge of garden gnomery
                take a bullet instead

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >besides the foreign legion
        I've heard horror stories about the FFL.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      insane as usual vattiemagne

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the fearsome iron bear is getting its booty clapped by a comedian

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really? Because it seems to me like the Russian artillery is experiencing some serious downtime right now. They can't even keep their tubes firing if they stick to the usual Russian precision of "somewhere in that direction" rather than western pinpoint accuracy. Their barrels are worn to the point that firing them is just a waste of ammunition, ammunition that they can't bring to the front in meaningful quantities.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Really? Because it seems to me like the Russian artillery is experiencing some serious downtime right now
      Nope, the ukrainian MoD keeps reporting new shellings every day multiple times in their regular reports.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But is it the same level of 600,000 shells a day as they previously boasted.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MoD reports where Russians shelled but not quantity

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wow, the Russians are putting 20 shells a day downrange!? How could the Ukrainians possibly deal with this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So far, they've dealt with it by giving up the most valuable half of their country, and all the population it contained

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia managed to take two whole oblasts (including Crimea) and is now reduced to 50% of their initial push.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >half
            you might want to double check those maps Ivan I think they are a little outdated

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >IQ inversely correlated with Russian (aka nonwhite) population
              I guess there was a reason why all the great soviet engineers were Ukrainians

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The east was valuable before a bunch of unwashed terrorists and FSB boomers looted everything of value from it, including industrial machinery and every woman over 7/10.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only Russian boots that have even touched the Dnieper were VDV, and look how that went for them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            killed probably 3 times the wounded
            >1000 vehicles including most of your modern tanks
            >Expend all of your precision weapons
            >Every offensive stymied to the point you resort to WW1 meat grinder tactics to gain yards a day
            >All to take 2 bombed out cratered oblasts with the economic potential of West Virginia

            Wow much victory

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >half
            show us how big your half is

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This war has really exposed which media have zero idea about weapons or fact-checking, but a burning need to publish something regardless.
    Then again, MilitaryWatch is literally "some Indians spam from their basement" tier.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >just like it did Turkey.
    Pure cope, Turks failed their equipment by misusing it and a case could be made that the defense sector failed the rest of the world by selling to roaches, but the equipment isn't to blame here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pure cope, Turks failed their equipment by misusing it and a case could be made that the defense sector failed the rest of the world by selling to roaches, but the equipment isn't to blame here.

      The only cope here is from you. Turkey was one of the biggest clients / marketers of German equipment, and it all went downhill after Germany stopped selling.

      Why do you think South Korean equipment has taken off lately? Who was using South Korean weaponry the past few decades before all this?... Turkey.

      Turkey's weaponry is all battle-tested, either you make the cut or you don't. German weapons nowadays are junk. They sold weapons to Russia, while actively refusing to sell to Ukraine, even blocking defensive equipment like drone-jammers.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >get BTFO'd in the other thread
    >quickly make a new one to hide your shame
    Lmao subhuman
    Here's the link for anybody interested

    [...]

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You've seen how much damage a few himars have done, now imagine the same but vs more himars and a fucking airforce deleting your batteries and logistical chain all the way back to the factory. All this has proofed is how hugely reliant russian tactics are on massed artillery, which wouldn't survive vs Western Air power

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy, another venting thread. What did you lose this time?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The usual
      >ammo depots
      >tanks
      >lots of dead vatniks
      our serbposter made another ^destroyed himars^ thread and it turned out to be normal a truck. Idk if that thread is still up

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US has highly accurate long range missile artillery and a powerful satelite system, you need vast stockpiles for attritional warfare, which is easy pickings for surgical strikes. Only reason why why dont give Ukraine the equipment to bomb Moscow is to slowly boil Russia so they don't realize whats going on.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    remember when the FOURTY MILE CONVOY WAS GONNA TAKE THE HOHOL CAPITOL ANY DAY NOW? lol, vatniks remember, but they pretend not to

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, i remember when a convoy forty miles away from kiev was reported as a "forty mile convoy" and redditors ate it up

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I remember when redditards made up a marvel movie tier meme about a fighter pilot and the Zgays from /chug/ wouldn't shut up about it for months

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians reduced the fucking Russian army to a state where they can't mount armored offensives and instead trade artillery along with very slow frontlines, and they did this with western supplied AT weapons, followed by just a handful of western supplied short ranged guided rockets.

    Imagine what would happen if Ukies actually had numbers of western tanks, aircraft or missile systems. The question you should be asking is why does Russian equipment suck so much? Why are Russians or Ukies both seemingly unable to mount an offensive? The answer lies in the soviet shit that they have.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot to mention Ukraine is using decades-old Western weapons and Russia has been using its latest, most modern armaments. Russia is still being annihilated.
      The fact that Russia has anything left to use at all is because of soviet shit stockpiled from the Cold War. They don't have much else left because they can't make replacements fast enough.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So, I wonder what happens next, more static warfare like in Donbas but on a long frontline? That sounds costly.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My guesses are one of the following
        >Slow advance by Ukies over a few months, or a hard attack once enough material has been brought + men trained
        >Violent maneuver warfare attack by Russkies with troops brought from far east etc, massive missile and air strikes to collapse ukie lines at all cost
        >Shitty stalemate that lasts for who knows how long
        War exhaustion will eventually hit all parties, so far there is no real diplomatic way out. Russians might try something cheeky like an assault through Belarus with Belarusian troops or a nuclear strike, but I don't see it particularly likely.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vatnik, we legit fought a war in a landlocked country for 20 years. All the while fighting another war in Iraq, and having several other small scale conflicts/occupations too boot.
    Can Russia do the same?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Police actions where the bulk of forces were locals*
      You know the Taliban rule Afghanistan now right ?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia did entere into one of this conflicts and flip it over. Long live assad lol
      While you fleed form this landlocked country in such rush that abandoned your allies their. They didn't get a seat in a plane.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        raqqa

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shoot down the plane

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Russia proofed in ukraine that they can keep using artilery with barely any downtime. "

    Objectively not true, with the arival of HIMARS and there ability to counter battery really well and the destruction of artillary ammunition depots, they are slows down and soon will be unable to unitilise there main asset

    Keep coping cuck.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    must be a terrible system to since they are buying 100 more.

    not free gibs but actually buying them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      germany also opening a repair facility in poland to help repair these as they are used

      they are great artillery but do have some problems

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they are great artillery but do have some problems
        Like needing regular maintenance?
        Lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Like needing regular maintenance?
          Yes.
          This would never have happend with rugged and war-proven russian gear

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Smerch > HIMARS
              Suck it HATOcuck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do some people have this hateboner for krauts?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anglos hate that Germans are their #1 enemy but Germans don't care about them, their media has been egging this on for over 100 years.
      Poles have been told by their media and politicians for 20 years that everything wrong with their country is the fault of Germany which fueled both an eternal victim mentality and an inferiority complex that would be tough to escape for any country.
      Russians are Russians.
      The commonality between all of them are extremely low gun ownership rates. Draw your own conclusions.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i like germans
        t. bong

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like Britbongs too tbh
          t. Kraut

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            based. my great grandfather's time posted in germany (ww2 and after) gave him a poor opinion of americans and italians, but a very good opinion of germans.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bongs hate Germans?
        t. Bong

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I sure hate England. And I mean England, not the UK.
          t. kraut

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i like germans
          t. bong

          On PrepHole they do, but that's history newfriends wouldn't know about.
          Armatard made threads about the Ajax for a long timr whenever he got humiliated by brits in navy threads, eventually a lot of bongs got extremely butthurt at Germans instead of armatard because
          >should've bought German
          Was the common theme in the thread.
          That's why half the attempted /brit/ threads were filled with whining about Germany, the other half was just general shitposting. Hence why they got deleted and the OPs were banned.
          Good times.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's not just a PrepHole thing, PrepHole *ABSOLUTELY HATES* Germany and Germans and I think that's starting to rub off on other boards that undergo regular 4chan incursions

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              PrepHole has been a leftypol colony for a long time since it soaks up the most reddit refugees per capita by far.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I hate krauts
          t. burger

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The commonality between all of them are extremely low gun ownership rates. Draw your own conclusions.
        What's the rate of Firearm ownership WITHIN the Reich though? Maybe that's why we hate them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          actually pretty high by euro standards

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Strong hunting + gun culture for Euro standards which might supplement the british animosity.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The commonality between all of them are extremely low gun ownership rates. Draw your own conclusions.
        I only see one outlier...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like this. It's probably poles who have never been on PrepHole before and being angry that Ukraine didn't buy more KRABs but Pzh2000 instead. Germans are used to ignore the Polish butthurt cause it's a permanent condition. And Russians think they are clever with their divide and conquer trolling.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you also forgot to add how hitler dindu nuffin and how it was poles that massacred innocent germans

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anglos hate that Germans are their #1 enemy but Germans don't care about them, their media has been egging this on for over 100 years.
        Don't worry, there's also the French. It's just that we haven't been at war with the frogs for longer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's vatniks false falgs.
      If it's not screaming about Germany, it's about Poland or perfidious Albion.
      Sometimes they even reply to themselves to make it seem like there's some big, long-standing animosity.
      See for example

      Anglos hate that Germans are their #1 enemy but Germans don't care about them, their media has been egging this on for over 100 years.
      Poles have been told by their media and politicians for 20 years that everything wrong with their country is the fault of Germany which fueled both an eternal victim mentality and an inferiority complex that would be tough to escape for any country.
      Russians are Russians.
      The commonality between all of them are extremely low gun ownership rates. Draw your own conclusions.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      surkov style divide and conquer tactics

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      unironically some attempt at divide and conquer, Germany may not be up to snuff in the military area right now because they've gimped their military for 20+ years
      Ultimately they just need enough purpose to get that industry and beaurocracy shifted so it stops fucking things up for Germany.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a clear distinction between the failed BW and the German arms industry. They're still producing modern, top quality and well used weapon systems - many that never see adoption by the BW.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is that the German industry is homegrown, just like Sweden's is. They can get their orders and sell stuff, but the only way you're getting a ton of vehicles, parts and things out in a timely manner is PURPOSE. Arming the BW can easily have the side-effect of making German MIC work faster and more efficiently by supercharging it with funds, and promoting changes in laws to facilitate less trouble in getting shit done.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian war propagandist Yury Kotenok laments an acute deficit of fighting force on the Donbas front. He says Russia has enough fire power, but not enough foot soldiers to mop up enemy positions. Battalions are half their normal size, he says.

    https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1554386230032441344

    Ukraine has been forced back in Donbas, but slowly, and has been inflicting consistent casualties on the Russians.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Based Charlie Magne Poster

      t. russia has been forcing back ukraine in donbas while inflicting unsustainable casualties on the ukrainians and taking minor casualties themselves

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why do you cheer being a piece of shit?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >only having to face tribesmen which gave them massive downtime for repairs and replacements.
    >the Iraqi army was tribesmen and totally didn't have large amount of Soviet equipment
    >tribesmen never randomly attack at anytime
    >U.S. didn't spend the last 20 years in wars
    >Germany's retardation is applicable to the entirety of the west

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have heard that much of this may be due to Ukrainians have no idea how to properly maintain the systems given to them. M777 howitzers for example are regularly shipped back to Poland for repair because there was not enough time to properly teach Ukrainians how to service them, just how to shoot them. My bet is, the German artillery is working as intended, and in the rush of getting the Ukrainians acquainted, maintenance was give short shrift.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      An spg asking for maintenance after a month of overuse is perfectly normal. I'm assuming the ukranians knew they were pushing the machines beyind their limits but did it anyway for one reason or another.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's due to the very high rates of fire they're experiencing- most guns have hourly and daily shell limits and ukies are blowing right past them (for good reason) causing extreme wear that requires depot-level service

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have to wonder about the kind of person shilling for vatniks on PrepHole
    They don't seem to know much about weapons. They also don't seem to know much about European politics or economy.
    So far so good. But this is where the really bizarre part starts - they also don't seem to have any familiarity with cars, tractors or any sort of automotive or heavy machinery.
    They are unfamiliar with European cultures or countries outside of 4chan stereotypes.
    They seem unfamiliar with European, Russia or American climate and weather.
    What the hell are they - Central Africans? Indian basement dwellers?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You answered your own question. Leading up to and after the 2016 election, 4chan became inundated with posts revolving around conservatism and a return to traditionalism, in response to liberal economic and social policy creating social disorder. PrepHole has always been somewhat rebellious in its structure, posters' anonymity along with site culture ensures that viewpoints contrary to accepted dogma will be more popular. Trump's meteoric and surprising victory only incensed most posters, causing 4chan's conservative audience to become even further entrenched in their ideologies. In only a few years most posters who had been quite simple centrists or conservatives (and even some previous liberal posters such as myself) found themselves allying with any political ideology that favored a return to some form of traditionalism, even totalitarian dictatorships or theocracies of a radically opposing culture.

      Posters latched onto the idea of a possible rise of Russian hegemony as a return to traditionalism of yesteryear, in which men were men, women were women, and the threat of rising liberalism and destruction of the family unit were stamped out. It is really no surprise why 4chan runs cover for Russia, you would just need to spend an inordinate amount of time lurking on the board to see the basic steps it took to get there. It is slowly changing, as no one likes to support a loser, but it will be some time before the board culture turns away.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine getting taken in by Russian propaganda and becoming a traitorous fifth columnist while proclaiming a belief in Western supremacy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What the hell are they - Central Africans? Indian basement dwellers?
      Unironically yes. Africans are cheaper than even Russians, so Russia outsources a good deal of its shitposting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nigerians. They've got PrepHole open on one monitor and 419 scam shit on their second monitor.
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2020/03/13/russian-trolls-outsource-disinformation-campaigns-to-to-africa/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        heh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better than all the garden gnome ngo nogunz shills

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >before and after meeting with the HIMAR-MAN

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      brutal

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Retard, we designed our militaries so that wars of attrition don't happen to us. Get your ass into the 21st century.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    War of attrition? Russia is to cowardly to attack NATO, and the CCP is too cowardly to attack Taiwan. Pelosi just walked right over communist china and they took it like buck-broken bitches.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >abuse equipment
    >the equipment breaks
    this confuses and angers the slavic "brain"

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia proofed in ukraine that they can keep using artilery with barely any downtime.

    Until HIMARS started blowing all their ammo depots and crippled their logistics. Then it collapsed. Which is a problem for them, becuase with how shit their stuff is, they need to fire a hundred+ times as many shells as western artillery to achieve the same results.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People here just want to circle jerk.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cringe

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        to vatniks a mass produced, armored LMTV is a wunderwaffe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Himars doors open back to front u fucking nothing.
      I won't call u names. You're just nothing.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You Polacks are going all out with your seething.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh no burgerbros where are we going to find replacements for all the destroyed super weapons

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian air defenses smoked after cruise missile and SEAD
    >NATO and west achieve total air superiority in a week
    >Russian command posts, supply depots, MSRs and staging areas get bombed for weeks on end
    >large armored well supplied NATO columns rapidly encircle and penetrate deep behind weakened lines
    >Russian communications and supply lines completely fucked
    >CAS and NATO artillery slaughter confused and disorganized BTGs
    >West uses dominance in night optics, intel and logistics to cut off, encircle or outright bypass fortified positions

    Iraq 3.0

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *Days

      Russian runways and la ded planes will be destroyed by the first missile wave

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      im diamonds now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How good is HIV testing these days, would it be possible to filter out the pozzed Russian women and auction off the unpozzed ones in the West after Russia is crushed? I'd buy a cute Russian girl.

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because attrition warfare isn't what modern militaries do. You launch nukes to wipe out all manufacturing capability and fight with what's leftover.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because we don't let ourselves be tied to attrition warfare, that's a costly lesson the west already learned.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's genuinely shocking to see the Russian army, the military that was the first fully mechanized in the world, regress militarily from maneuver warfare to trench lines and artillery duels. They're now at the point where their strategy is closer to the Battle of Verdun than Desert Storm or the Battle of Kursk, and their own people cheer them for it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the Russian army, the military that was the first fully mechanized in the world
      ?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally that. The USSR was the first country to have a fully mechanized military (largely due to a need to employ people in factories, but the outcome is the same).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          pretty sure the US was the first fully mobilized. The Red Army relied as much on horses as the Wehrmacht before it was supplied with thousands of trucks by the US.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            UK was first fully motorized, USSR was first fully mechanized. The USSR was around for a long time after WWII y'know.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Red Army relied as much on horses as the Wehrmacht -after losing its trucks in retarded encirclements of 1941- and before it was supplied with thousands of trucks by the US.

            fixed it for you

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the west
    Yes, very much so
    >Germany
    No. You're talking about the geniuses who shut down their nuclear power plants with no timeline to replace them and instead started sucking Putin's gas teat for zero logical reason

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stockpiles are pretty worthless, attrition requires industry

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Coping polaks spamming threads about PzH needing maintenance after one month of use.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the west even remotely prepared for attrition warfare?
    Not really.
    But you don't particularly need to be prepared for attrition if you just win.
    That's how you fight a war in the 21st century.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >overwhelmingly dominant blue water naval forces
    >vastly superior air forces
    >fuck you logistics capability
    >science fiction level intelligence gathering
    >nearly unassailable industrial capacity outside of nuclear exchanges in North America
    who will make the "the west is decedent and soft" mistake next?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. The Us is decadent and vicious because we don't hold grudges we have demands

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >s the west even remotely prepared for attrition warfare?
    Half a billion armed civilians in the good old west. You tell me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that doesnt matter only artillery

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no link.
    Well look at that, OP is a giant gay. What a surprise.

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek imagine complaining about wear and tear as if that only effects German military equipment. each Ukraine Pzh 2000 is probably firing 120 rounds a day at full charge. that's going to take a toll on the barrel and the semi-autoloader after 30 days.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Autoloaders aren't under serious shock loads. How can we tell you're not a mechanic therefore your thoughts are worthless? (Dog and world know about barrel wear thanks to Twitter)

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia proofed in ukraine that they can keep using artilery with barely any downtime

    They absolutely did not prove anything of the sort lmaooo you vatniks are hilarious

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Specifically on the PHB 2k, I know two arty guys from the Bundeswehr who operate them and the fucking LOVE them. It’s not some “Deutschland Uber Alles” bullshit from the guys cause they said they loved American arty too, but they couldn’t say enough good things about them. What I can say is that they didn’t get to fire an absolute ton from the guns, so maybe after a month of use they really do need extensive repairs

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >entire West in a war of attrition vs little Russia
    Uh... I have my money on NATO and the West.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the west even remotely prepared for attrition warfare?

    the west doesn't have to prepare for attrition warfare
    pic related

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the west even remotely prepared for attrition warfare

    The west has been helping ukraine wear you deluded fuckers down for 5 months. Face it, Russia lost; sooner you realize this and cope properly, sooner you can start rebuilding your economy, international reputation, and millitary - good luck with that lol...

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