If Russia does turn to mass mobilization of the population and human wave tactics, would they be able to make any territorial gains, or has technology advanced so much that sheer manpower can no longer accomplish the job?
If Russia does turn to mass mobilization of the population and human wave tactics, would they be able to make any territorial gains, or has technology advanced so much that sheer manpower can no longer accomplish the job?
I don't think mass mobilization would turn the tide for Russia. Considering the current logistical problems and how poorly russian professional soldiers are equiped, I'd like to know how the frick is russia supposed to manage 100k more troops. 200k more? 500k? 1 million? This is the recipe for an even greater disaster.
Presumably the idea is that they won't live long enough to need provisions. Sure, feeding a million people is a lot of work, but you don't have to feed them if they all died charging at enemy positions.
>This is the recipe for an even greater pile of dead bodies.
I wouldn't call it a disaster as long as they're vatniks.
Vatniks won't be the ones fighting, it will be forced conscripts who have no desire to kill Ukrianians. Vatniks are cowards.
This. They’re poor as frick, Putin’s only option is to cut all ties with the West and focus on the territories he has control of.
Human wave stopped working in WW1.
Some other wars are calling will you pick up?
Is it time to laugh at the Chinese performance during the Third Indochina War again?
/k/ is moronic
Human wave will solve it easily.
>human wave
>in 2022
>in Ukrainian wide open field
Seems like asking to be fertilizer for the sunflowers, anon
russia is conscripting foreigners, i.e. the ukrainians they kidnapped and "resettled". russia doesn't care if ukrainians fertilize ukrainian sunflowers.
>Kidnap people that already hate you.
>give them guns
What's the next step of your master plan?
that's what the barrier troops are for. haven't you been paying attention?
Sounds like a Mexican standoff waiting to happen lmao.
would the chechens rather go back home or fight revolting russian troops
If they wanted to go back they would have done by now. Kadyrovtsy are the most brainwashed of all Russians.
Ukraine just needs to kill the barrier troops first, lol. Wait, the Russian commanders first THEN the barrier troops.
Fun for everyone.
Ask the human waves of Russian conscripts to meet the invisible wall of Ukrainian IEDS, lol.
Idiots charging forward are incredibly vulnerable to explosions.
That's the plan dummy. Pollute the fields with tainted blood and starve out the hohols.
Mobilization is going full moron. Whe Russia is done, China can just waltz in and say this is mine.
>winter
>mass mobilization
it's going to end up horribly
Human waves stopped working in WWI anon. Add in heaps of precision weaponry and cutting edge 24/7 imagery, those morons will be walking into sharpnel. Besides, it doesn’t happen in a vacuum - if russia starts the draft to send hundreds of thousands into the grinder, NATO will also escalate. The US alone has ~500 HIMARS (idk how many M270s), maybe we’ll give the ukranians 50 or so. Maybe fighters. Certainly much more small arms and ammo. Maybe tanks.
The problem is that Russia has run out of equipment. They've been fielding T-62 tanks because most of their T-72 and T-80 and T-90 tanks have been blown up. I'm eagerly awaiting their museum piece T-34s.
Russia is buying artillery shells from North Korea. If they still had Soviet-era stockpiles that were usable, they wouldn't be buying more yet.
Their artillery is shot out. They were handing out Mosin-Nagants to DPR/LPR cannon-fodder. They're running out of even their shitty R/C model quality Orlan drones.
Throwing more bodies at the situation just generates more dead bodies for them.
they didn't have a high enough proportion of bodies to material in the first place either, more bodies might "help" in that the shitty outdated vehicles could be screened properly, but it's still won't be enough in the face of the quality of their material and their supply situation
/k/ is moronic as usual, I see.
Just to add, the one thing Putin is going to accomplish with all of this is to leave a lot of desperate young women seeking foreign husbands. I'll definitely go frick a herd of them when this is all over. Might or might not pick one, depending on whether I can find one who isn't a brainwashed moron.
You wish. Monke is going to use them in trade with the bugmen for their pleasure brothels along with perpetual 75% discount on russian oil/gas in exchange for whatever scraps poohbear will give him.
>Checks Russian AIDS rates
Human waves have sort of happened in the post WW2 era in places like Korea and the Vietcong tried it a few times.
It is extremely bloody in contact with weapon from those eras, the stuff we have now is far fricking nastier to the point they'll get picked up in mustering areas and sent to hell. Add to that, its really not going to achieve much without armour, air force and artillery all giving them some support, otherwise light infantry with no organic AA, anti armour is going to get fricking melted. It'll make VDV drops look positively civilised
The best bet would be to trickle them into active units as replacements and in some cases, reinforcement company strength units- even then you're really just got the clueless leading the completely confused.
What weapons makes it more deadly? Is it the ability to just artillery strike areas where the enemy is gathering?
Its really hard to mobilise a lot of people into a single area, especially if they infantry because they use up heaps of trucks, there will be tents, campfires and all sorts of shit 'happening' that will get picked up by satellites, drones and all sorts of stuff before even half of them probably know where the hell they are.
After that, they can just either dog them with precision or guided strikes until they're combat ineffective or dispersed enough not to be a threat
Its not like even in Vietnam when they could hide in the jungle or in Korea by sneaking around in valleys, behind mountains and stuff. Its really open in Ukraine which gives you two choices for moving:
>Balls to the wall fast in light vehicles
>Run across in the open on your legs
Both these are absolutely horrible things even if you do scrounge up some clearing arty on your side, because that just sort of telegraphs your general direction and they radio that back to command who unleashes fire missions so fast it'll make their head spin. Plus none of these fricks will have NVG's so the cover of night isn't real great either.
Thanks for the informative reply. I really wonder what the frick info putin is receiving at the moment.
he needs men to push the tanks that shoot but don't move.
If they ever got to the front. Imagine your country doesn't even equip you properly and on the train to the front you're watching videos of airburst artillery
and ammo cooking off and burning tank crews to death.
Conscripts are cold, hungry, undisciplined, demoralized. They just hop off the train en route, walk to nearest town, break into the police station and grab guns, and become bandits on the land. Just like Asiatic armies of old.
I don't think conscripts have what it takes to overthrow Putin. But I do think the situation could become like Haiti where the government controls some green zones and the rest of the country is essentially anarchy lead by FAS ronin.
Daily reminder that the current Russian fertility rate is 1.7 children per woman and the replacement rate should be 2.10–2.14.
Every Russian death is a "forever" death that will never be replenished unless the fertility rate increases drastically.
It's okay, they will just lean into their Golden Horde heritage by importing even more Central Asians
I don't think the golden horde had to deal with HIV rates at current levels
Bro... that's the fertility rate for all of Russia. It's lower for ethnic Russians.
>sergei you are of aging now and must serve motherland
>do yuo plow fertile wife every 9 month
>or rape conscriptniki for mass moobilizing all day
It'll increase drastically, once Russia loses and becomes a Thailand tier sex tourist destination.
This argument is so moronic, Western countries (including America) have the same or even lower fertility rates
Exactly, when you mention russian fertility rates, level of AIDS rate in russia, amount of homosexualry in the RU army, its very, very bad, tiresome argument.
But when you mention Western fertility rates, AIDS, gays, etc etc. its a very, very good argument and im just asking questions troony.
Yeah, but Western countries encourage
and sometimes reward immigration. Russia, not so much.
But that's a bad thing. You end up with an increasingly large portion of your population being against your own nation.
Russia has more Tajiks than Tajikistan tho
Sounds like Russia is doing something for the environment.
Haven't they already sent their training units to the front?
There's a suspicious amount of threads rattling about general mobilization in Russia right now. What gives?
a few hours ago the russian duma just passed a series of laws toughening up penalties for resisting or evading mobilization, and for rioting/looting, and the airports just closed, and putin is giving a nationwide speech in a few hours.
Half an hour actually
Stream?
Putin's escalating with referendums on occupied Ukrainian territory and doing stuff that previews mobilization like restricting travel to men aged 18-65 and announcing jail time for draft dodgers. It's basically a mobilization in all but name.
You were supposed to RAP with the children of Ukraine, RAP.
Yes because Ukrainians have a built in kill limit and will cease fighting and surrender after Russia send sufficient waves of conscripts
There are more bullets than there are Russians in this planet
This just makes beating Russia that much easier.
The hordes won't have enough training to be any real threat.
And destroy their Logistics and Command & Control? They are super-FRICKED when that happens, lol.
No direction, no supplies. Just death.
Take out the rear troops (i.e the guys who shoot deserters) and a rout is guaranteed or your money back.
It's even dumber than that. By the time those fresh conscripts are actually mobilized, the war will already be over because they had to divert supplies, officers and logistics for the mobilization, and all those were already lacking at the front.
Bingo. Stupid Vatniks be stupid.
>would they be able to make any territorial gains, or has technology advanced so much
wow really interesting insightful questions you israelite double Black personing israelite. Get off the board you glow like vaxine AIDS
I'm not going to believe Russia is doubling down and outright declaring war and fully mobilizing their military until I see an official public announcement. It seems like an insanely stupid idea, even for Putin at this point, and the man may have gone delusional and possibly a bit whacko cooped up and isolated from his advisors but I do not believe he's THAT fricking moronic. Besides all the reasons like timing and logistics, it would be an admittance of failure up until this point, and a absolutely humongous gamble if he still loses which, given the amount of material support Ukraine has and their sky high morale, is a fair likelihood.
Human Wave stopped working after Korea and even then it just fricking BARELY worked and it accomplished was the near total wipe of almost all their veteran formations in the Chinese Army for distressingly little return investment.
Pretty sure general winter will kill them all for being "Unequipped to handle his training by cold."