how did Turkey, of all the places, get so advanced in UAVs?

how did Turkey, of all the places, get so advanced in UAVs?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't. Their UAV's are just dirt cheap and thats why people buy them. Israel has been flying drones like the TB2 since 2005.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Israel is getting dozens of billions in military aid, and it's using American contractors in everything

      Cut them of the teat, and Israel will collapse in an instant

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Quite a bit of Israeli kit is homegrown, including their drones.
        >Israel will collapse
        US military aid composes a tiny portion of their budget. Stopping the aid would just make them switch to their own systems.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Quite a bit of Israeli kit is homegrown
          Like what, exactly? Only ones that aren't dual collabs with US manufactures, or aren't being funded by the US, please.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Iron Dome, Trophy, the Merkava, their C2 platforms, all their drones, Spike. Tons of shit. You can literally go down the list.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Israel_Defense_Forces
            Their drones were so good early on, the US was buying them. The US continues to use Israeli military hardware today, like their mortars, F-35 components, missiles, etc.
            Some Israeli hardware uses US components, like engines, but US contractors did not always have any role in actual development. They're just buying them OTS.

            Unless you think any non-native component should disqualify the item as "native", in which case, even the US arsenal is mostly disqualified, including essentially everything with a microchip.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Iron Dome
              The Iron dome was paid for with $2.6billion from the US, firstly. Secondly, the Tamir interceptor was co-developed with Raytheon.

              >the Merkava, their C2 platforms, all their drones, Spike. Tons of shit. You can literally go down the list.
              All paid for by the minimum $3.8billion/year from the US.
              https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/09/14/fact-sheet-memorandum-understanding-reached-israel

              I said things NOT funded by the US. NOT. FUNDED. BY. THE. US. Does that help you garden gnome?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                Embarrassing posts.

                Yeah, for a garden gnome trying to LARP as anything other than a leech, it is embarrassing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Iron dome was paid for with $2.6billion from the US
                All development was native. Initial batteries were Israeli, US just funded additional ones.
                >the Tamir interceptor was co-developed with Raytheon
                Wrong. That's just a US partner for local co-production.

                >All paid for by the minimum $3.8billion/year from the US.
                Wrong again. Absent a US contractor, no US foreign military aid can be used. Which means everything on that list that isn't produced by America can only be paid for by the Israelis.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All development was native. Initial batteries were Israeli, US just funded additional ones.
                Cope
                >Wrong. That's just a US partner for local co-production.
                No.
                >Wrong again. Absent a US contractor, no US foreign military aid can be used.
                Show me the clause that says this.
                >Which means everything on that list that isn't produced by America can only be paid for by the Israelis.
                No, it doesn't. I guess that $2.6 billion on Iron Dome all went on batteries the US bought? None of it went on supplying Israel with more batteries, or missiles? $4billion of your $20 billion defense budget comes from the US.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Claims everything uses US contractors.
                >Senses he's in hot water, starts retreating to any monetary assistance even if the system is entirely Israeli.
                The cope is you
                >No
                The Tamir was developed by Rafael. Raytheon was taken on years later for selling them in the US, and for integration with other US systems.
                Keep digging, retard.
                >Show me the clause that says this
                You're trying to argue about US aid and while not knowing the first thing about it. Remove yourself from the gene pool like the braindead refuse you are.
                https://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/files/dsca_guidelines_for_foreign_military_financing_of_direct_commercial_contracts.pdf
                1. The prime contractor must be a U.S. supplier, manufacturer, reseller, or distributor
                incorporated or licensed to do business in the United States.
                >No, it doesn't
                The Iron Dome got a special exception that is separate from the regular bucket of aid. Nothing else is an exception.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dutch tech makes all those semiconductors in taiwan etc.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What’s more, it’s a German gun and engine made under license. Trophy is cool though I suppose.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Quite a bit of Israeli kit is homegrown
        Like what, exactly? Only ones that aren't dual collabs with US manufactures, or aren't being funded by the US, please.

        Embarrassing posts.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Meds.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      theyre not 'advanced' in any way
      turkey is just very poor so manpower is cheap = they can make low-tier drones for less than the competition.

      the reason the industry exists there is iirc US blocking transfer/sale of shit to them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Akinci is cute! CUTE!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          looks like something out of ace combat

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are all of its munitions proprietary or is it using NATO standard rails?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Are all of its munitions proprietary or is it using NATO standard rails?
            The missiles are domestically made, but are compatible with NATO specs.

            Vestel looks like when it's flying there is always a Cessna lawsuit flying 50 meters behind it.

            The drone is Karayel. Vestel is the parent company of Vestel Defence, now Lentatek. They're an electronics OEM. A lot of Japanese, Korean and European brand TVs in Europe are produced by them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vestel looks like when it's flying there is always a Cessna lawsuit flying 50 meters behind it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Show me single ITAR free "israeli" product.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_(missile)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wrong. Spike has US technology and it needs approval from the US senate for sales to third parties.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Source?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        garden gnomes BTFO

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Spike, as just one example, is ITAR free. Shill harder.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh rly?
            How many Texas Instruments chips does it use?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They didn't. Their UAV's are just dirt cheap and thats why people buy them.
      This. Turkey is the go-to for countries like Ethiopia.
      American and Israeli UAVs are considerably more capable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then why did Poland (2021) and Romania (2022) buy the TB2?

        ah this schizo bosnian serb from int

        > ah this schizo bosnian serb from int
        The Bosnian Serbroach actually pretends to be Bosniak at times. He'll often get into fights with Turks to make them hate Bosniaks. Some sort of twisted disinfo campaign.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Then why did Poland (2021) and Romania (2022) buy the TB2?
          Does Romania strike you as a rich country? If the Turk drones fit their requirements why would the spend more money just to say they have the best?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Then why did Poland (2021) and Romania (2022) buy the TB2?
          Because they're a good value? Because Ukraine has demonstrated you can get the job done without paying American or Israeli prices?
          Baykar is all well and good, but can I also get some love for the modernized M60, the M60T Sabra? I can't say for sure but I think these will also be a "good enough" solution for the price. Anyone have reports of how they have done in Syria?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Anyone have reports of how they have done in Syria?
            Better than the Leopard 2s apparently.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Then why did Poland (2021) and Romania (2022) buy the TB2?
            Does Romania strike you as a rich country? If the Turk drones fit their requirements why would the spend more money just to say they have the best?

            > Does Romania strike you as a rich country? If the Turk drones fit their requirements why would the spend more money just to say they have the best?

            Poland can afford more though.
            Romania is spending $300M on the TB2.
            > https://balkaninsight.com/2022/09/01/romania-eyes-buying-turkish-bayraktar-drones/

            The TB2 isn't really $2M and never was, it's at the very least $5M per drone, and ground control stations cost separate, and the missiles cost separate. It all adds up.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >it's at the very least $5M per drone, and ground control stations cost separate

              5M is for the drone AND ground control stations.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The full complex cost 16 millions: control station + 3 planes + ammunition + spare parts

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well its not exactly that they're dirt cheap, its that they can sell them with less strings attached than countries like the US which prefer to hold on to any technology and foreign policy advantage. Cost isnt the only factor in defence procurement.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Armenia uses S-300
    >Russia uses S-300
    >Bayraktar does extremely well in both cases
    I'm seeing a pattern here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Despite what some are saying here, the Bayraktar TB2 and Lentatek Karayel are the low-end of Turkish combat drones. They're not the pinnacle.

      The TAI Anka, Anka-S and Aksungur, and the Bayraktar Akinci are the high-end combat drones. TB3 and KizilElma are in development, and the latter should begin testing next year, if all goes to plans.

      The TB2 alone has gotten really good at evading air defense as long as it's not multi-layered.

      Baykar actively updates software where electronic jamming gets decrypted in real-time. You'll notice from Azerbaijani TB2 videos from both recent wars that the earlier footage is static but later footage is crisp. That shows two things:
      1. It defeated the EW to begin with, to make the strike happen.
      2. It defeated the EW again, to make the footage better.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it never 'defeated' or even faced EW as it was never deployed against actual armies only poor/retarded terrorists/militias.
        if you see noise in some videos but no noise in others it's due to the rf link quality in the specific mission (operating close with few obstructions = clear image, operating far away with shit between you and the drone = lots of noise in the image)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >only poor/retarded terrorists/militias
          such as Russia

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's nice when you have Western avionics and systems to copy, isn't it? Just like the Harpoon with the Dutch land based launcher copy, and the Raytheon Pike copy, and more. No better than Israel, SK, Japan, or China.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's nice when you have Western avionics and systems to copy, isn't it? Just like the Harpoon with the Dutch land based launcher copy, and the Raytheon Pike copy, and more. No better than Israel, SK, Japan, or China.

          1. You're saying people should re-invent the wheel??

          2. Oh this meme again from 2020. All of that got sanctioned or embargoes back then, now most of them are domestically-made.

          3. And those highlighted components are a tiny fraction of all the total components. Literally all countries' weapons have foreign parts in them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >All of that got sanctioned or embargoes back then, now most of them are domestically-made.
            You mean they copied the Western systems that were on it originally? Notice how you didn't say domestically INVENTED.
            >3. And those highlighted components are a tiny fraction of all the total components.
            Those systems are the only thing that makes it work. Take them out, and you have a fiberglass lawn ornament copied from the Yak Klost. Face it, you can do nothing but copy.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Those systems are the only thing that makes it work. Take them out, and you have a fiberglass lawn ornament copied from the Yak Klost. Face it, you can do nothing but copy.

              Your lobby is getting weak then.
              Doesn't sound good, because that lobby is supposed to protect you from a war with Turkey.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So, you admit it's nothing but sub-par copies Western tech crammed into a copy of a Soviet Yak Klost?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that wheel was copied from Mesopotamians

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Canada sanctioned them after the N-K war, while having a carve-out for Ukraine, so no telling how good the TB2 is without it's cameras. Do they even have an alternative for eg Azerbaijan?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Turkish company Aselsan produces optics for drones and it's better than Russian EO

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also, Aselsan produces MEROPS, it's lighter more capable than Wescam MX-15

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >coping this hard

                The cameras get mounted to drones

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >implying I'm not a mechanic that works aluminium tubing like that and merely find it hilarious that someone fucked up a saw length by a centimeter.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    theyre not 'advanced' in any way
    turkey is just very poor so manpower is cheap = they can make low-tier drones for less than the competition.

    the reason the industry exists there is iirc US blocking transfer/sale of shit to them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how does cheap manpower relate to the know-how of making drones?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was one Turkish MIT student in the early 2000s who came back to Turkey and started building really cheap drones with COTS equipment.

    Hence why they're called the Bayraytar. They're named after that guy.

    They're qualitatively inferior to a Predator but they're so much cheaper that it doesn't matter.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/8bqrahG.jpg

      The designer got a degree in gnomish engineering from MIT

      he never finished his phd. never graduated from MIT nor enrolled in it. he only was there because his prof from another university went to there for a year.

      One of the largest newspapers in Greece actually wrote an article that says that the TB2 was built by Greeks

      https://www.ekathimerini.com/opinion/1181544/turkish-drones-by-greek-minds/

      This is the level of delusion that NATO and the East Med is dealing with. Selcuk Bayraktar had one Greek professor in his entire life, and suddenly Turkish drones are actually Greek drones.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also isn't this guy just a businessman? I'm sure all the work is done by underpaid engineers who're only working on Bayraktar because they couldn't braindrain yet

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Greeks are delusional what is new?

        Also isn't this guy just a businessman? I'm sure all the work is done by underpaid engineers who're only working on Bayraktar because they couldn't braindrain yet

        No he is an engineer he supposedly "designed" drones but its obvious he didn't, other engineers in his company did. but still pretty good innovation.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No he is an engineer he supposedly "designed" drones but its obvious he didn't, other engineers in his company did. but still pretty good innovation.
          His brother did. The company is literally called Bayraktar Brothers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not what the article is saying. It's an article that criticizes Greece/ the Greek government for not working with the same people, not saying that the drone is "Greek".

        But I suppose expecting litercy from roach shills on PrepHole is asking for too much.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's an article that criticizes Greece/ the Greek government for not working with the same people, not saying that the drone is "Greek".

          It literally says "Turkish drones by Greek minds". It's saying that Turkish drones were made due to the ingenuity of Greek minds. Dumb shill.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That's not what the article is saying. It's an article that criticizes Greece/ the Greek government for not working with the same people, not saying that the drone is "Greek".
          God you're fucking dumb. It literally says Greek minds built Turkish drones.

          And to your own point, why DOESN'T Greek hands make the drones?? Could it be that the TB2 isn't actually Greek, and you're simply incapable of it??

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tb 2 isnt "advanced" it is just cheap and good enough

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not advanced you drooling reddditard.
    It represents US drone capabilities from the late 80s and Israeli tech from the 1990s.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think Americans had such a drone in 90s.

      A drone capable of launching cruise missiles & 36+ hours endurance

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The TB2 makes a VERY convincing price argument.

    It could be half as good as a Reaper in every way and people would clamor for it because it costs $2 million and Reapers start at $32 million, it gives you closer to "real" assault drone performance for closer to "Amazon drone with a hand grenade" budget.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a very real chance the price is supported by subsidies.

      Don't forget that the company that makes the Roach drones is run by Papa Roach's nephew or cousin or son-in-law or some other nepotistic middle eastern arrangement.

      The Western optics alone on the TB2 are almost more than the price of the roach drone, so something doesn't add up.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Don't forget that the company that makes the Roach drones is run by Papa Roach's nephew or cousin or son-in-law or some other nepotistic middle eastern arrangement.
        Son-in-law
        I like to imagine that in some modern medieval arrangement the guy invented a weapon so great that the king had no choice but to offer him his cutest daughter

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I like to imagine that in some modern medieval arrangement the guy invented a weapon so great that the king had no choice but to offer him his cutest daughter
          Kek, I hope it's true
          >you did good, son. Here, take this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget it's also a power move. Marrying a man's daughter subordinates you to him as he is now legally your father, hence father-in-law. That's why kings, especially in the bronze age, were so big into making weaker kings marry their daughters.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is the best le meme compass pic by a long, long shot.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No Imazighen

            we're one of the oldest people, contemporary to the Phoenicians, Egyptians, etc

            why did you forget us ?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > There's a very real chance the price is supported by subsidies.

        So you're saying Turkey is giving out FREE or semi-free drones to third world countries?? Why not just advertise it as free aid then and take even more credit??

        Most of Baykar's revenue comes from exports. This year it hit over 90% from exports.

        > The Western optics alone on the TB2 are almost more than the price of the roach drone, so something doesn't add up.

        The Western optics got sanctioned back in 2020. If not, then your lobby is doing a bad job.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why does turkish mil equipment causes so much butthurt?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Turkey is the only country on earth that has overwhelmingly negative opinions of the US, European Union, Russia AND China

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably because literally every other country except the US as the big daddy of NATO wants to see them fucked.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Turkey is the only country on earth that has overwhelmingly negative opinions of the US, European Union, Russia AND China

        why does turkish mil equipment causes so much butthurt?

        I really don't get how Turkey and Russia keep up the "best bros" act when Turkey has killed more Russian allies and thwarted more Russian geopolitical goals than any other country over the last decade

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they are both retards that's why

          t. turk

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          seething about turkish drones will not bring back your dead orthodog brothers from hell, greek/serb/indian whatever butthurt belt u are from, i just wanted you remind you that. 🙂 i know theres one israeli spammer that seethes about tb2s too.

          Probably because literally every other country except the US as the big daddy of NATO wants to see them fucked.

          >Probably because literally every other country except the US as the big daddy of NATO wants to see them fucked.

          Ever since the 2022 Ukraine War started, Greeks on Twitter have been occasionally dissing Ukraine calling them slaves. Ironic.

          Ukraine is and will continue to be within the orbit of Turkey, Poland and the US, because they along with the UK and Baltic States are who aided Ukraine before everyone else jumped on board after the US ordered them to. France waited a month, and Germany waited 2 months, after the war broke out to send weapons because they were hoping to see Ukraine get steamrolled or partitioned just like in 2014. They were sending out helmets and pads the first several weeks.

          Turkey was the only one to invest in Ukraine's defense industry, and it was also the largest foreign investor in Ukraine in 2020 and 2021.
          > https://intellinews.com/turkey-now-ukraine-s-top-foreign-investor-with-already-booming-free-trade-set-to-grow-further-225399
          > https://kyivpost.com/business/burak-pehlivan-turkey-is-now-largest-investor-in-ukraine.html

          Even the helmets and vests Ukraine's leadership wears are from Turkey.
          > https://dailysabah.com/business/defense/turkish-firm-makes-ballistic-helmets-vests-for-zelenksyy-his-team

          Turkey signed separate deals to build factories to manufacture the Bayraktar TB2 and the TAI Anka in Ukraine. Turkey signed deals to build corvettes for Ukraine, with the first already built in Turkey and latter ones built in Ukraine. This would have given Ukraine a real NAVY.

          When Ukraine first used the Bayraktar TB2 against Russian-backed forces in October 2021 to save Ukrainian troops from shelling, France and Germany literally condemned it.
          > https://thehill.com/opinion/international/580377-france-and-germany-seem-to-forget-whos-behind-russias-war-on-ukraine/
          > https://qirim.news/en/novosti-en/ukraine-has-legal-right-to-self-defence-ambassador-to-germany-on-use-of-turkish-bayraktar-drones-in-donbas/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            based turko ukr alliance

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because of the roach tendency to play both sides at all times for their personal gain people forget how much Turks despises vatniks. It's historical and geographical, Russia's endgame has always been reaching warm the Mediterranean waters. The turks' role in history was to cockblock them and it still is. Crimean Khanate was part of the Ottoman Empire at some point. They're still fighting proxy wars against russians in ukraine, syria, nagarno-karabakh etc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd also add that if Russia were to decline for whatever reason (as is looking increasingly likely) then Turkey would become the dominant regional power of the near-East.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if they dont, they freeze this winter. Unlike EU countries like germany, they cant just bankroll this problem away.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the real question itt is this:
      what did turkey and japan do to develop their titanium machining base to the level of supporting advanced combat aircraft?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get what you think is so advanced about a prop driven remote piloted plane with a gimbal camera on it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a copy of the Soviet Yak Klost at that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hey that's cool I didn't know about this thing. Thanks anon

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not some advance weapon it just is affordable and meets Ukraines means. Also, while shitting on Turks is fun they arent some primitive tribe. A few of them are intelligent enough to make weapons.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    seething about turkish drones will not bring back your dead orthodog brothers from hell, greek/serb/indian whatever butthurt belt u are from, i just wanted you remind you that. 🙂 i know theres one israeli spammer that seethes about tb2s too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think that the Israeli spammer is actually a butthurt greek.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The designer got a degree in gnomish engineering from MIT

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he never finished his phd. never graduated from MIT nor enrolled in it. he only was there because his prof from another university went to there for a year.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The tricky bits come from other places. Usually it has a German engine and most customers opt for the Canadians optics kit

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It isn't advanced, but it is combat proven and good enough to do the job. Aso Turks don't have the same prejudices as Uncle Sam, and sell it in many countries,

    Remind you the US didn't want to sell even stingers to Ukraine because "you will eventually lose and sell it on the black market" and Germany silently blocked even procurement of chassis in European Union for armored vehicles after 2014.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ah this schizo bosnian serb from int

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Technology transfer from china

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Turkey just builds the airframe and does the integration. Components come from all over.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Turkey builds a ship
    >"Lol we had that tech 30000 b.c. Nice catch up roaches!"
    >Turkey builds a gun
    >"Lol, nice black powder copy of the chinks, lel roaches!"
    >Turkey builds a drone
    >"Welcome to the 80s, roaches

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm trying to imagine how much your national pride must be wounded to formulate such a post.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here, another carbon copy in action

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that pink mist

      Brutal. What the fuck is even the point of fighting when getting stomped like that??

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Bayraktar is a piece of shit, but it only costs like 2.5 million a pop.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The enemies of Turkey hate them so unbelievably much that their hatred unironically deranges them from reality. The reality of Turkish military capabilities. The pure and extreme level of Turk hatred disables them from properly analyzing their Turkish enemy and setting up a reality based war strategy to counter the Turks. This is the only true advantage Turkey, it's enemies a literally to emotional on a National-Governmental scale due to their Turk hate and anti-Turk pride, to even admit that their might be some things Turkey does well or might be strong in and should be taken in absolute consideration. NOPE! ''Om my gosh, like.. the Turks, are true stupid, ugly retards, they are like the worst''

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because 90% of their components are made by white europeans
    look it up. turkey actually had to stop all drone production a while ago when sanctions hit them and try to find alternate suppliers. now they're buying all their shit from the indians and the chinese, so expect the quality to drop big time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >look it up. turkey actually had to stop all drone production a while ago when sanctions hit them and try to find alternate suppliers.

      I did look it up and you're full of shit. Turkey didn't stop drone production, they just replaced that shit with domestic stuff which they were going to do anyway.

      Jesus Christ the amount of butthurt Turkey's military industry is causing to foreign lobbies is hilarious.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you looked it up, it turns out that was I correct about every single point, but...I'm 'full of shit'?

        sigh...moron, no. noooo, moron, no. that isn't how this works, moron. that's not how any of this works, moron.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you looked it up, it turns out that was I correct about every single point, but...I'm 'full of shit'?
          >turkey actually had to stop all drone production a while ago when sanctions hit them and try to find alternate suppliers.
          >Turkey didn't stop drone production, they just replaced that shit with domestic stuff which they were going to do anyway.

          If you can't read, it's not my fault, blame your parents.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they had to. They were and are still sanctioned so they had to come up with something. Once drones become existential, you inevitable become good at it.

    Tb2s are very good value for money and come with almost no strings attached. If used in a layered way with EW systems they can do considerable damage. They are becoming increasingly domestic and apperantly have quite good software. They can be used almost anywhere by almost anyone and require basic maintenance. It's like the Toyota pickup of drones. You buy them, send your guys to Turkey to train, set up a couple containers and off you go killing people. It's pretty nice. Would buy myself if I could.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what is the eu/usa/china equivalent in terms efefciency/$?

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