also the video is of their new all-female SWAT team
china will grow stronger
https://twitter.com/sugar_wsnbn/status/1551922256829628416
also the video is of their new all-female SWAT team
china will grow stronger
https://twitter.com/sugar_wsnbn/status/1551922256829628416
webm of the ending
Holy frick
god have mercy on any civilians who have to be “rescued” by them
Not SWAT, it’s the first all female death squad
>communist hostage rescue team
If they're anything like Ruskie hostage rescue teams then I expect frequent and repeated use of the term "acceptable casualties".
Goddamnit.
notice how they don’t show any closeups on the “hostage” picture targets
Holy frick bros we gotta be careful with china their bullets make massive holes!
gonna fully cover myself in lvl II armor
I see China played MGS 3 and learned the secret of how 5.56 works. It's only a matter of time until they perfect the beta C drum that gives infinite ammo
It wasn't the mag that gave infinite ammo, it was because the chamber was shaped like an infinity symbol
You clearly don't remember the basics of CQC.
>Didn't watch the latest Flannel Daddy video
Yup, ngmi
What, the video posted 9 hours ago? Long after any of those comments were made? No, I haven't seen the video that was uploaded after I made the comments.
Regardless, the MGS3 memes stand.
Maybe plastic training rounds?
I doubt it. I've shot the weird blue plastic ones out to like 75m and they still make nice little circles.
If you had seen some of the development pics of these fricking things you wouldn't be surprised.
For example, the ejection port has this weird little notch on top towards the rear.
What happened with that was in the initial prototype it was a squared off opening, but for some reason the extractor kept kicking cases up into it at that point and jamming.
Instead of going back and fixing the bolt design they instead just kept filing the prototype at that point, widening the port hole until it worked, and voila - the production gun now has a milled rise at that specific point.
The whole gun is a klodge job. I'm surprised they even brought it into adoption.
>I'm surprised they even brought it into adoption.
the chinese will accept literally anything in to service because someone is getting a cut
The backstop supports this idea. Since its not a backstop seems more like some sort of limestone wall. Should be smashed rock dust coming off with real bullets.
You don't see all the shit falling down from behind the target?
If those were actual full-powered rifle rounds, that backstop would be throwing off 1000x more debris
Maybe the bullets are too heavy for the barrel's twist rate?
This is the pic I think you are looking for
Is this an old pic? I watched a couple videos on it last night that were posted a few months back and it looked a little different, I believe it does have free floated hand guards and fixes to a couple of these other problems now. Not that it's not still shit.
You get'em ping ping, teach the onions men what chinese maidens are capable of.
Chkd
>high quality
kek
>affordable
double kek. Average wage in China now is much higher than in Mexico.
Stop posting pictures of me and my wife.
why don't they have red dots on their rifles? Isn't that the whole point of the full rails on their new gun?
This is fake. Do not believe this anti-China propaganda.
Fake video. The "keyholes" are CGI.
This is fake also.
>t. fake post
Hi Chang. Another high quality CCP product. Stay away from my dog.
+1 Yuan has been deposited into your bank account
+3 social credit points have been added to your score
Not him but I still think these are some gimped training rounds. Full power cartridges would make short work of that wall. The questionable backstop makes sense for training with plastic/wood or whatever rounds, right? It is like the boomers using wax bullets, putting holes on paper is great practice
Its surprising just how shit bullets are against breezeblock. Youtube e.g. 5.56 makes it to the center cavity, a single layer breezeblock wall good probability of full cover from it. Pistol bullets just make shallow marks on the outside.
But if your running a range and people are machingunning same wall repeatedly while other ppl running around behind it IDK maybe some sort of high gas plastic bullet shaped object loading that can cycle a rifle without adapter seems reasonable
The amount of people falling for this blatant bait is hilarious.
>Maybe plastic training rounds?
Non rifled barrels?Is this the true power of 5.8x42?
i would like to bring attention to how much rounds they missed a distance of like 5 meters
>w*mens unit
Imagine them attempting to park an APC
it's pretty easy to hit a target at that distance, so i would put the blame on the manufactoring tbh,
considering it's chink shit
Chang you bastard, you gave your fellow private the ol' spicy rocket launcher!
look at the patches lol
i cant read chinese, what do they say?
its not what they say its how they are(n't) strapped on
yeah but it's still not normal thta a launcher does that, no matter how disposable
It's got pot holders, he's okay.
Neat, they got fire enchantments
Frick I thought that was just a decal or something?
As fricking hilarious as a shit keyholing gun would be, it does kinda look like there are ricochets from training rounds falling back into the grass... That doesn't excuse the piss poor shooting with the first hits though.
Hello sir what wrong with product
I inspected it before sent it was ok
Please no leave negative review sir
Can you send back
I absolutely love those emails
>this is what you ordered!
>we'll send a replacement
>don't leave a bad review!
>send us back the original!
>we'll PayPal you $20 to take down the bad review
That's why you scam them back. They'll never ask for their product back since they know it's trash.
I legit looked for a refund on a chinkshit Norotos Rhino clone because it was not usable even as a joke and the homosexual actually asked me to return it after I managed to explain to his ESL ass that it was a piece of shit.
Thank god for israelitebay covering return shipping, it would have cost me a fortune to ship to insectoid land otherwise.
Hapa shills eternally btfo
OH NONONONO
They deleted the original tweet, so they realized how bad this looked.
How. Did the Chinese invent non-axial rifling that spins the bullets end over end?
My guess is either a REAL fricked up muzzle crown or a crooked thread for a flash hider or just a poorly manufactured FH resulting in the bullet striking it and destabilizing.
It could also be shitty plastic training loads issued for this photo op.
I don't understand why you wouldn't just have training on a proper range where live fire full power ammo is safe.
It's China. They do nonsensical shit, especially if CCTV wants "Hollywood style" propaganda shit for their normies.
A photo op that they pulled down quickly?
hahahaha dumb americans and their puny rifles cant understand GREAT CHINESE BALLISTICS
b-but china numba wan??
Goddamn.
Thats horrible.
Going off what I know, the Chinese classically used 2 5.8mm cartridges.
One the DPB87 that was lighter and designed for rifles. And the DPB88, that was heavier in bullet weight and longer and designed for MGs, but could be used in a rifle in a pinch to so-so utility.
Nowadays, the Chinese are using the DBP191 cartridge in these new rifles. I can't find a ton of info about it right now, and it seems that neither can the Chinese themselves online. And otherwise mainly its designed to shoot DBP10. Which is basically a unified cartridge designed to meet in the middle between the DPB87 and DPB88.
If we assume that these guys are training using old stock ammo. And that these new guns are chambered for the DPB191 cartridge. And it uses a significantly different twist rate than older 5.8 cartridges like DBP87/DBP88, that could explain it.
https://www.toutiao.com/article/6878704117510832654/?wid=1659222012034
I'm basing a lot of what I'm saying off of this article.
That gives a general overview of what changed between the cartridges, including significant changes to bullet design and rifling.
Enough that I do feel generally confident that its a mismatch of old ammo with new guns.
Otherwise it could be poorly made plastic training ammo.
Watch the last round, same bullet
OH NONONONO
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The most generous benefit of the doubt I could give them is that these are some sort of test batch rifles, like an early XM sorta thing, and they are just testing the function of the rifle because they are still testing barrel twist rates/coatings/linings whatever. Thus they'd save money and time by not putting in the rifling as they are just testing the mechanical function of the gas system/moving bits etc.
On the other hand
lmao holy shit, if the above is true... why would you show it in this state vs a rifle that actually WORKED properly
I struggle to believe that because they're showing soldiers doing maneuvers and shit. You don't need military dudes doing drills with a rifle to know if it shoots straight, you'd lock it in a vice on a bench and do actual testing.
Fricking moronic, you'd really assume they're training with some kind of experimental bullshit gun rather than perhaps, with lightweight training ammo that is deliberately unstable to reduce the lethal range and damage done to backstops?
How is that better than just giving frangible ammo or even rubber rounds if they are that concerned
You really want rubber bullets bouncing back at your face while training?
I think i'd rather take my chances with the frangible bullet or rubber bullet as opposed to everyone's shots keyholing all over kingdom come. And i am noting you ignored the frangible or even wax rounds, which I am going to presume China is capable of making
I'm not here to argue or go tit for tat. I don't have to explain their reasoning. I'm just telling you that they are training rounds. They're not shooting full charge loads into a shitty backstop with who knows what behind it.
What the frick is the point of target training with unstable, inaccurate rounds that aren't even going to feel the same to shoot?
Cheaper, same manual of arms, still shows where you're aiming, and you don't have to worry as much about the backstop and what's behind it.
Except it doesn't because your pattern is literally random? If you're that worried about your backstop it's really not even advisable to be shooting at that point.
The alternative is using blanks. It looks like they're doing high speed low drag room clearing practice.
The fact that they released this would seem to indicate they literally do not see what's wrong.
>That keyholing
Dafuq is up with their barrels?
What if keyholing is actually beneficial in CQB? You don’t need very good accuracy, but a spinning bullet could do a lot of damage
I mean, it's been proven that key holding will cause more tissue damage. So there's no doubt about that question. I suppose you're correct in that assessment.
>Key holding
I'm trans btw
A tumbling bullet is more prone to ricochet back at you, your buddies or other bystanders in a close environment. So you can imagine the danger of showering the room with one as you breach.
The trade offs aren't worth it. You don't actually gain any lethality, if at all, and you're strapped with an inaccurate uncontrollable piece of shit with minimal effective range and no chance against any type of armor or barrier. If just blowing the shit out of everything within 20 yards is all you care about and accuracy and penetration and control and shit doesn't matter you'd unironically be better off just using shotguns. At least then if you theoretically did need to reach out to a slightly longer distance you could load in a few slugs and get that job done too, and you could get some good penetration out of that. You could also load them with cheap bird shot for drills and not have to be embarrassed when pissed off video editors you hired but didn't pay to make your propaganda show your targets full of keyholes.
Yes, but it's very doubtful they designed their guns to keyhole for obvious reasons. It's just training ammo.
Are there any proof that this is not staged? It looks like a 60s b movie
Sweet christ man.
How is that even possible?
Pathetic.
CHINA NUMBAH ON-ACK!
I couldn't make that up if I tried.
Is he okay?
They're monitoring his condition.
Goddammit Carlos
Heh
for fricks sake
(You) earned it
WEW
based /k/omedians
I hope not.
apparently still alive and paralyzed
Supposedly he has severe spinal injury and head trauma, currently still alive after multiple surgeries.
He's quadriplegic now.
It's ok, they screened him for the 'rona before admitting him to hospital.
ha ha anti-vax lolz /misc/comedy.
it's like comedy but not funny.
It's not even antivaccine.
rent free
VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR
Kek
WE CAN'T REWIND WE'VE GONE TO FAR
FRICK YOU wiener SUCKER
I'M CALLING THE I.C.E
Put me in the cap
MAXIMUM HEAD CRUSH
Jesus, right on his head and pushed in. It came in at an angle too, like it was waiting for the chance to strike his head, other wise he would have survived. That tv must be what, 400lbs to 600lbs? Survivable, if it doesn't all fall on your head.
It’s amazing that he actually survived this
Anyone else find this target looking similar to a Uighur?
CARLOS
how does this happen
NO UNIONS
Vibrations can move things around and loosen fastenings. Music is vibrations.
must have been a b***h to rehearse
GREAT CHINESE CRANIUM FOLDED 10000000 TIMES
DUMB WEAK troony AMERICANS NEVER UNDERSTAND
I'm honestly surprised this doesn't happen at more festivals and concerts. Riggers and sound techs are high, rolling or drunk as frick 99% of the entire setup and duration of the event.
If the stage you're on has any dynamic rigging and you haven't personally met the rigger, Run.
That’s some final destination shit, like God himself wanted this chunk in particular to die that day.
/gif/ has a version of this with Diana talking and Hitman XP readouts on it. Good work 47.
link it
>that star of david pattern on the stage
Never relax, and around israelites you lose.
Wasn't this in Korea?
Nope, Hong Kong.
That doesn’t even look real. Frick just going to China is dangerous because of all the buildings falling apart now.
This looks fake.
Here's the two frames of the impact; the head looks doesn't recoil back and neither does the shoulders. Instead it looks like they just meshed the TV over the guy's head and called it good.
https://variety.com/2022/global/asia/dancer-critical-hong-kong-concert-1235329777/
Fair enough, I expected more gore from that type of impact.
is there a part where they strip?
God that is fricking hilarious.
That gun is such a piece of shit, it's literally the worst design components of the AR and AK combined in one awful poorly engineered platform.
I honestly can't believe that was the result of an arms program in today's age.
The mcx is unironically the more reliable rifle.
If rounds are completely sideways 20feet out, what kind of maximum effective range could that shit possibly have? Its going to be dropping energy like a rock, surely
It’s definitely not going through any kind of body armour sideways.
Hell, it's ability to penetrate a fricking flak vest is questionable at that point
sideways pussy sideways bullets
How the frick does it even get that bad? Smoothbore with no rifling made? Even a worn down barrel would at least put some spin.
Giving them the benefit of the doubt and they're not using smoothbores, they may be using the incorrect weight ammo. 5.8 used to have 2 main variants, a light infantry one (DPB-87) and a heavier one for MGs and marksman's rifles (DPB-88). Then again they supposedly standardized on one universal load back in 2010 but it could be possible they're using old ammo inventory for training. That or nobody cleans their rifles because IIRC 5.8 is still corrosive
My carcano did the same thing with .264" bullets.The bore was .2665"
do they even know what keyholing is? If they did, they'd probably be CGI'ing those holes out for their PR video.
Why does it look like some of the bullets went through that target sideways?
I'm no rootin' tootin' point-and-shoot-'em gun toting American but even I can tell that's not supposed to happen
That’s what keyholing is
If your bullets are too small to engage the rifling, or there isn't functional rifling then the bullets won't spin stabilize as intended. They'll flip end over end inaccurately and leave holes like that.
Bullets spin all over the damn place when fired, the point of rifling is to get them stabilized to where their ballistics are as pinpoint as can be. Its one of the reasons why the minie ball muskets were so devastating for their time, not that musket rifling wasn’t a thing before but the shape of the minie and the rifling pretty much paved the way for modern bullets as we know them. Back on topic, If something is keyholing that badly at such a close range then there is something seriously fricked with the rifle.
On one hand seeing that tube lit up like that is pretty cool. On the other that just went flying off the arm, you couldn’t pay me enough to fire one of those.
Probably using SRTA
https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/ndia/2005/smallarms/tuesday/macdougall.pdf
mentions key holing at 25m due to
>a high Magnus dynamic instability
>paper target looks like a Uyghur man
imagine the damage
if only you knew how bad things really are.
>all-female SWAT team
but china century bros, i thought ching chongs were immune to woke degeneracy?
Didn't some shithole country in south east Asia just import a ton of these rifles?
They're using this shit. It yaws like crazy
probably intentionally, so they will shed speed faster and limit range and dont leave the training ground.
Why? Every military uses frangible rounds or plastic bullets when it can.
Maybe I'm overthinking it, but these projectiles are not the shape of the keyholes in the OP image and video. They appear to be using pretty typical spitzer shaped bullets.
No you're not overthinking it, it's the bugman damage control engaging.
Earlier versions of the ammo had more of an ogive silhouette.
Whatever the chinks copied and produced in 5.8×42 might not have the exact same profile as 5.56mm SRTA
Underrated post. Kinda sad that /k/ is no longer capable of having civil discussions.
they're all ugly
To be fair, at CQB distances keyholing would be devastating to the target, you just aren't hitting gmuch beyond 50m or so
unless the person was, you know, using body armor
Keyholing rifle round will go through soft armor.
Non-keyholing rifle round won't go through plate
Your statement is irrelevant
You understand plates can't take multiple hits correct? Why does post-2020 /k/ seem to think plates are magic and bulletproof?
>You understand plates can't take multiple hits correct?
They most certainly can, not indefinitely, but unless you magdump into a very small area, you're not gonna penetrate any plate that isn't total dogshit.
Post-2020 /k/ thinks chinks are using concrete blocks as a backstop for full charge rifle rounds
Please post old liveaks of terrible fates befallen chongs, it will make me feel young again
That's by design dipshit.
Keyholing can be caused by so many things. The gun, the ammo.
I once had ammo keyhole due to me overcrimping which deformed the bullet's bearing surface.
Good to see China's police/military utilize ammo on par with what I did as a novice reloader years ago.
Might be training rounds. They're firing at short range using a brick wall as backstop and don't want to use blanks.
What you moronic crackers don't realize is that the rounds turn sideways so that the rocket boosters in the back can send them flying into the sky then they com flying back down into the top of your head.
You moronic whites will never understand
stfu, ricecel hapa. you will always be a mutt
Is the qbz 195 much better?
Do you have any idea what a sideways bullet will do to some low IQ criminal?
5.8mm is a joke round, that's why they won't let people test it. their army has the same problem; all show no go.
The keyholes are bullets bouncing off the wall and coming back through the target
I doubt plastic training rounds would do that after hitting a concrete or brick backstop.
>bullets bouncing off the wall and coming back through the target
Make a guess whats standing in front of the target.
>all these posts, not even cope, trying to rationalize this webm because there is no way they're that moronic
I think it may be time to consider that Chinese manufacturing is not the highest quality on Earth.
That's obviously true for cheap exported bullshit, because why would they care about the quality of cheap exported bullshit? The entire point is to flood foreign markets with the cheapest possible shit and sell on volume. But, rationally, you'd think that they'd take more care in producing shit that they intend to use for themselves domestically.
(interestingly, Japan used to be the cheap bullshit manufacturing country but they took enough pride in their work to find ways to make the cheap bullshit better while still being cheap and it made them an economic and manufacturing powerhouse within a generation.)
Chinese all frick each other over. It's literally part of their mercantile culture. There's a popular Chinese phrase that roughly translates to "if you get fricked over on a deal, it was your fault". It wouldn't surprise me at all if the company that made the barrels used absolute shit steel with corners cut in manufacturing in order to get the most money possible out of the contract.
I think it's likely the training ammo they were using. If you honestly believe a fully industrialized country of over a billion people, a country fully capable of making every iPhone ever, isn't capable of making a gunbarrel, then you are a moron and you bought the propaganda.
Are you sure YOU aren't bought into the propaganda? The argument isn't even that they aren't capable of producing a good rifle, it's that from all the evidence we've seen they haven't. Even their own state propaganda that's supposed to make it look as good as possible shows it keyholing. If they simply didn't include the shots of the target we never would have seen that, but it goes to show that even their editors aren't putting in a good effort to make this thing work.
Isn't the propaganda video more for the all-female SWAT team than the guns?
It'd still be unsurprising if the gun is a total piece of shit thanks to corruption and kickbacks, but I don't think the priority in this video is on making the gun look good.
I'm sure the bullets only tumble because women are using them.
Oh, they're capable of making a barrel. They're also capable of almost maliciously fricking it up because the guys supplying certain parts can get away with it. The company contracted to make the barrel doesn't give a frick about the strength of the military. They only care about how much money they can get from the fancy military contract. China's not at war, so it's not an existential threat to a manufacturer if the guns they make are terminally flawed.
Japan has that excuse because they just came out from a devastating war mixed with decades of political upheaval.
No refunds.
>all-female SWAT team
I'M COOOOOOMING!
This is actually intentional. These bullets are made for anti-protestor work, and are meant to tumble to do the most damage, must like M16 rounds.
you see, boolet go sideways to inflict 5 times the damage, much more effective than hollow point expansion
Ch-ch-china bros?
Having seen the video, the keyholing bullets are almost the most acceptable part of the entire thing. The tactics and kit are rock frickin bottom
As I think other people have mentioned, it could be plastic training rounds ricocheting off the wall and then creating a keyhole. If that is the case, it's still concerning that there's so few holes in the target.
Does anyone have a mirror? It's been taken down everywhere I looked.
Yes.
https://twitter.com/gatoHypercube/status/1553764947196121094?s=20
Obligatory
Is that target supposed to be what the average American looks like according to chinks?
It's supposed to be a chinese guy with one of their signature weak ass moustache goatee combo.
A whole new meaning to "slant"