You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

>wins the west
>defeats the red indian
>manifests destiny
nothing personnel, cartridgelets

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    hurts my shoulder 🙁

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The Remington green and yellow box loads are much more tolerable than the Hornady loads, but the powder Remington uses is beyond nasty.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't load his own giga pisser proof loads
        lol, lmao even

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I do. This cartridge is too expensive not to reload.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/6bqyGy2.jpg

            450 grain brass solids over 50 grains of Reloder7 and Winchester Magnum large rifle primers. Hits like a bitch slap from God himself. Recoils like it too.

            Damn I was just talkin shit lmao. I wish I had a .45-70 to reload.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              It’s fun. You should try it sometime.
              You never know if a woolly rhinoceros is going to try to commit a hate crime on you. Always gotta be prepared.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >No crimp
                Is mah nigguh shooting a trapdoor? Pls post.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          450 grain brass solids over 50 grains of Reloder7 and Winchester Magnum large rifle primers. Hits like a bitch slap from God himself. Recoils like it too.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine killing a cape buffalo with this.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Would be pretty cool. I live in Alaska and have taken several moose with a 300 Winmag. I want to one day use the BFR on a moose hunt.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Do you know if it's legal to use a revolver up there to hunt brown bear? The round is almost certainly capable of handling a bear, but I can't help but think they'd look down on using a hand gun.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not sure if it's legal, but it's not smart.
                There's a difference between a bear hunting rifle, and a bear stopping gun.
                Just as I wouldn't want to rely on a scoped bolt action 338WM/375 ruger in the brush with a Grizzly full tilt charging from 20yards, I wouldn't want an open sight pistol/rifle in .45-70 to hunt them at range with.
                Most bear guides/hunters try to shoot the bear between 75 and 150 yards, too much closer, it could turn and charge into you, too much further is too much chance of a bad shot and trailing a wounded grizz.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure high-powered magnum revolvers are the choice weapon for hunting bear in Alaska.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, but how do you get him to shoot it?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine killing a cape buffalo with this.

            Imagine killing an autistic Roman LARPer with this.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >out of pistol is still subsonic
            Ebic

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >450 grain brass solids
            if you're going to have bullets that heavy, why not just use lead?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              So it doesn't deform as easily

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            my hands are much to womanly to handle that. im being honest when is ay it would probably snap my wrist in half (osteoperosis)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      In black powder it's a pleasant cartridge, not much worse than 12ga. And if you handload, you can safely pud load it using black powder or trailboss. I load subsonic hard cast 45-70 using trailboss and they'll still take a black bear down in one clean shot

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'd look around again, anon, I found some trail boss running around just yesterday.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    why are rimmed cases so sexy bros?

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I like that cast performance 460gr WNFP. The load I worked up is the most accurate I've ever made.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Mind sharing that load data please?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Keep in mind that what's accurate for my gun is not necessarily going to be in yours.
        Brass length 2.100
        COAL 2.540
        23gr of AA5744
        460gr Cast Performance WNFPGC

        Mild load, when hunting with hard cast the bullet is ultimately going to zip through anyway, so going hotter is just making it zip through faster. Ensuring good shot placement is king like every other cartridge.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda want to go rabbit hunting with a 45-70 now…

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically, if you load subsonic Round Nose cast, you could probably take a rabbit cleanly enough because the bullet will go straight in and out leaving under a .458 sized hole due to the RN.
        It's not optimal like a 22lr, but you'd have useable meat. I've thought about doing it with 45 Colt.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So question.. if I get into casting can I use the same rounds between 45 acp, 45 colt, and 45-70? I’ve got a 1911 and am looking at reloading and was wondering if theirs any carryover between the different sizes in terms of reloading gear…. I’m slowly talking myself into getting something like a s&w governer and then either a Winchester or marlin levergun

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            45 Colt and ACP are .451 or .452 diameter, they can share.
            45-70, 458WM, etc are .458 diameter.
            Can't share those.
            With that said, for some of the lighter .458 bullets, like 300gr, you could run then through a .452 sizer and use them in 45 Colt pretty easy. Otherwise no, there's no crossover there.
            I like the Winchester 1886 better than Marlin designs as they're less COAL sensitive and stronger, but it's up to the individual to determine what they want.

            In black powder it's a pleasant cartridge, not much worse than 12ga. And if you handload, you can safely pud load it using black powder or trailboss. I load subsonic hard cast 45-70 using trailboss and they'll still take a black bear down in one clean shot

            Since Trail Boss is unobtanium right now, there's always Unique which has published load data in my old Lyman Books. Makes good, economical plinkers. Unique has been hard to find though, so I've used Universal Clays as a substitute, it's a little cleaner.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Thank you, good to know. Figure if I’m gonna get some fun weird stuff may as well get as much cross capacity as I can. Really wish I could get the s&w in a longer barrel, or a judge or raging judge that took moon clips and 45 acp…. The raging judge running .454 casual looks great but being able to run regular 45 acp through a governer means I’m likely to get a lot more plinking practice out of it…

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                A few of the most popular cartridges with .452 diameter: 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 460 S&W, 450 Bushmaster, etc

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            No, the 45 cal pistols (and retardedly 450 bushmaster and 45 raptor) use shitty .452 cal, whereas the rest of 45 cal rifles are .458

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I've killed a rabbit and a squirl with a .270 win.
        Both headshots, meat was fine

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Teddy would blast woodchucks with his suppressed .30-30 so go for it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Even though it's probably dumb, I want to see the original image of this

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    3in 12 gauge slugs hit almost just as hard, I'll keep my current boomstick.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      .45-70 is slightly better, as it has much better SD.
      BUT a quality pump gun is $400-$500, in current year it seems all .45-70 rifles are around $1k at minimum.
      Also a reminder, Breneke bear slugs aren't waterproof.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait to get my trapdoor Springfield.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >high capacity assault cartridges

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, they're totally safe. They'll only put a .458 sized hole in deer, whereas a 9mm will blow a person's lungs clean out of the exit wound.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        So I should hunt with 9mm then, since it's so devastating

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve had good luck with the Buffalo bore
    45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo
    430 gr. LBT-LFN @ 1,925 fps/M.E.3,537 ft lbs
    I have an old handi rifle with 45-70, 22hornet, and 243 barrels. I could never get it to shoot that well the 45-70 does about 3.5” with plain 405gr jacketed loads. The 22hornet a bit better and the 243 dosnt eject reliably so I never used it. I’ve shot half a dozen deer with the 45-70 and it works well dosnt look like much more than a 308 for how much damage it does. If you get a handi get a rimmed cartridge I wish I got a 357 and 45-70 if I did it again.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That BB ammo must hurt like a bitch at the bench.
      Never seen a need to load it that hot.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That gun weighs about 5.5lbs. It hurts period. I go the gun and ammo when I was 14. I thought it was so cool. I fired about 5 boxes of standard 405gr then 3 round group of the heavy shit (gun is so inaccurate I didn’t need to change zero was group was about the same at 50. I’ve since shot 8 deer with it and still have 9rounds left. Most at 5-10 yards straight down from my tree house.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >replaced by 30-40 Krag in 1890
    >reds murdering people well into the 1970s
    >thinks fuddyfive 70 defested them

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      what do these rifles look like, anon?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >wounded knee - 1890
        >45-70 made obsolete -1892

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >no one makes the 600gr molds anymore
    No reason to use it now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You know you can just get a custom mold made, right? They aren't even that expensive.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      U can get 576, which is still pretty good.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >acme
        bro roadrunner trying to get me to fuck up

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    correct

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I want a 45-70 leaver gun, but not enough to spend $1100 or whatever they cost.
    Fucking compliers panick buying them in ban states inflating demand.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think marlin has a 45-70 in the 700 range…

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not anymore.
        The only model new marlin(ruger) makes is a stainless steel threaded barrel option, pic rail with aperature sight, 19" barrel, which most of that is nice is nice but the MSRP is $1399, and street price isn't much lower for them.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well fuck, I feel like I just saw a couple in new or nnearly new condition on funbroker for under 1k but of course now they’re gone.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Those were probably used remlin made marlins still going for $900
            The levergat market is fucked, everyone in shit states are buying them up

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Well fuck, I feel like I just saw a couple in new or nnearly new condition on funbroker for under 1k but of course now they’re gone.

          I bought my 1895 back in early 2020 for $750 from a LGS. I bought two boxes of Hornady leverevolution on that same day for $70. Now the 1895 sells on gunbroker for $1300-$1900 and those same two boxes of Hornady 45-70 would cost $140. Shit has absolutely skyrocketed in the last two years.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The dollar's value has massively decreased in that time period.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    may not like it? I fucking love shooting the 45-70, its a fun round. The only part I don't like is paying for it. Have you seen the Magnum Research revolver? Its so heavy it actually barely kicks. A .357 mag kicks way more.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's a gayass bullet design. It is not aerodynamic.

    Here is what peak bullet design looks like.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >peak design
      >massive case taper
      >shallow shoulder
      >such shit QC bullet can be .309 - .312"

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >nearly 11pm on a Sunday
    >sketchy motherfuckers park their sketchy pickup in front of my property
    >stroll out with my lever gat to see what's going on
    >both of them think it's a shotgun
    >see that their needs are met and that they're on their way
    I am become boomer. No tweakers are gonna OD in front of my mailbox.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This vs 5.56, which is more powerful?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Power = work/elapsed time
      Work = force x displacement
      Displacement = 1/2(vinal v + initial v) x time
      Force = mass x acceleration
      Acceleration = final v - starting v / time
      So if you want to know which is "more powerful, get to work gay.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        ok moron, or you can acknowledge that this isn't what he meant by "power." kinetic energy would be a better measure of what he's actually looking for, which is just a function of mass and velocity.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Kinetic energy has 0 to do with power, and is a garbage metric for bullets.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            we both know that he didn't mean "energy over time" you fucking gay. that's not what "power" means to most non-autistic people.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            why is kinetic energy a bad metric? it gives you the maximum amount of energy that can be potentially transferred into the target. if the bullet stops in the target then 100% of that energy will have been transferred. impact is often measured in foot-pounds, which is a measure of energy.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Because energy transfer doesn't stop a target.
              And there's no way to even know total energy transfer, as it depends on the bullet stopping, or to what degree it slows down, which is immeasurable and random.
              Remeber, kinetic energy does not wound.
              Crushing damage from the projectile wounds, and the metric to describe that is force.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Crushing damage from the projectile wounds, and the metric to describe that is force.
                wouldn't a better measure be impulse? force will vary by what material the bullet is hitting, how much energy has already been lost, the surface area of the nose, etc.

                either way, nobody is measuring shit in "power."

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Force is not that dependant upon what it's hitting, force is force.
                How that force acts apon the target can change, but humans are pretty simple, skin, soft tissue and bone.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Kinetic energy = power
          Lolno

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            clearly the anon wasn't talking about the physics meaning of power, but the colloquial meaning.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The colloquial meaning would be closer to force, definently not kinetic energy.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >what about power
              Well hers how to find power
              >N-NO THAT NOT WHAT I MEAN, I MEAN A TOTALLY MADE UP UNDEFINED DEFINITION OF POWER IS WHAT I MEAN
              >TELL ME WHICH IS MORE POWERFUL BY MY UNDEFINED MADE UP METRIC
              KYS chud moron.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >power
                >posts high school non-generalized equations
                ngmi

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          get a load of this guy, he learned physics without calculus and now thinks these bullshit averages mean anything outside of very specific conditions.

          we both know that he didn't mean "energy over time" you fucking gay. that's not what "power" means to most non-autistic people.

          clearly the anon wasn't talking about the physics meaning of power, but the colloquial meaning.

          why is kinetic energy a bad metric? it gives you the maximum amount of energy that can be potentially transferred into the target. if the bullet stops in the target then 100% of that energy will have been transferred. impact is often measured in foot-pounds, which is a measure of energy.

          >power
          >posts high school non-generalized equations
          ngmi

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        get a load of this guy, he learned physics without calculus and now thinks these bullshit averages mean anything outside of very specific conditions.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It really depends on what you mean by powerful. The 45-70 takes most of the things 5.56 fanboys hate about the 7.62x39 and exaggerates it tenfold. The bullets are fatter and heavier and traveling at far lower speeds. Low velocity in addition to a big thump usually makes for a better woods hunting rifle, as the high velocity cartridges meant for plains game will absolutely obliterate meat at 100 yards. The 45-70 will drop off absurdly quickly, but it retains a shitload of energy at distance because of sheer weight. Notice in pic related that, despite it having dropped 19 feet from the original point of aim, the 45-70 retains more energy at 500 yards than the .223 does at 200 yards. The velocity of the .223 can generally compensate for this, but deer hunters recommend larger cartridges for a reason. Vid related.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        whoops forgot pic

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Interesting diagram . I load 45-70 405 acme coated bullets with 50 Grain 3031. Dead balls accurate and I notice no drop at 200, hell it shoots high. I get a similar poi for 13 grains of trail boss as well everything else the same

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Paco Kelly will take the speculation out for you.
      https://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/4570_leverguns.htm
      Basically, it depends on your gun. A modern 1886 reproduction is good to 50,000psi. Within that pressure range you can send a 350gr jacketed bullet at 2300fps nets you 4100ft/lbs of energy.
      But lets say we wanted to focus on conventional pressures for leverguns, at 40,000psi you can still send a 405gr bullet at 2000fps which is around 3600ft/lbs.
      A Ruger No1, No3, and other falling blocks are stronger yet and can really send those bullets flying.

      I'm not a glutton for punishment and while I trust Mr. Kelly, he has certainly put in the work, I don't want to be the guy to find out my 1886 repro wasn't as capable as his.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That's why I think 3in slugs will work fine for me, there's no real situation where a 45-70 would serve me over a slug gun.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      5.56/.223 has greater wounding potential. If for some reason you think you need as much penetration as you can get 45-70 would be a better choice.

      >Crushing damage from the projectile wounds, and the metric to describe that is force.
      wouldn't a better measure be impulse? force will vary by what material the bullet is hitting, how much energy has already been lost, the surface area of the nose, etc.

      either way, nobody is measuring shit in "power."

      I'm am unaware of any good way of determining an actual loadings performance other than 10% calibrated ballistics gel tests.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That is one ugly dog. Also I like your rifle’s snow camo. Very realistic.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What gun should I get in .45-70? Anything particularly cool?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Browning based lever actions.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, an 1886 is generally the way to go if you want a traditional lever that is also the best hanfloading platform.
        Something not often talked about is the advantage the 1886 has in cycling longer OAL cartridges over a Marlin. In a Marlin 2.550 really is the maximum that will still cycle, but my 1886 will go out to 2.630(longest I've tested cycling).

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Literal handgun caliber. I won't use anything less than .700 nitro express.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That is correct.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Can those sharps falling block rifles handle modern loads, or are they weak like the old trapdoors?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Falling blocks aren't weak, but I probably wouldn't load a Sharps or Highwall repro hotter than a lever action.
        If you want to load things really hot you'll want a Ruger No1 in 45-70.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >990 yards
      >bullet shaped like a potato

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

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