FPBP. Taiwan maintains a nuclear program that is perpetually only a couple months away from building a weapon. In 6 months they could have several nuclear weapons and already have the means to deliver them.
1) Taiwan has a serious Chinese spy problem
2) They don't want it to be lost to China if there's a war
And 3. There is still chance pro-Chinese politician gain power
From what I've observed. KMT is doing damn bad so it becomes less likely.
Nonetheless it's better to give F35 to Japan and tell them to assist. Taiwan can use older model focusing in other task.
The whole strategy around defense of Taiwan is division of labour and Taiwan will not be fighting alone.
Unless America has its own chink spies problem and somehow decided to lose its super power position by giving up Taiwan
>Unless America has its own chink spies problem
Is this even a question? China considers every single expat and person of chinese descent as an espionage asset, and they've launched massive psyops the last couple of years make to the west too afraid to root out the rampant chinese spies because of muh racism.
Black person, where have you been? This is public knowledge and china is completely open about it in their foreign policy. I even ran into one at my previous job. Some chick assumed the identity of this other chinese woman who went to Cornell so she could get hired by us as a data scientist, but then her documents didn't match the name we hired her under, so she gave the excuse that she legally changed her name the week before she started at our company. While she was with us, she kept mentioning really weird stuff like how she moonlights fighting disinformation against the chinese government on social media. She quit abruptly with three days notice after only work working for us for a month and a half, saying that she was going full time with her internet job. During the time that she was with us she had full access to all of our company's data.
Keep your head in the sand, homosexual. At one point she let it slip that she was affiliated with this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Front_Work_Department
2 years ago
Anonymous
Being “affiliated” with United front is literally a nothing burger. You’re moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The United Front Work Department of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (UFWD; simplified Chinese: 中共中央统一战线工作部; traditional Chinese: 中共中央統一戰線工作部; pinyin: Zhōnggòng zhōngyāng tǒngyī zhànxiàn gōngzuò bù) is a department that reports directly to the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which gathers intelligence on, manages relations with, and attempts to influence elite individuals and organizations inside and outside China.[1][2] The UFWD focuses its work on people or entities that are outside the CCP, especially in the overseas Chinese community, who hold political, commercial, or academic influence, or who represent interest groups.[3][4] Through its efforts, the UFWD seeks to ensure that these individuals and groups are supportive of or useful to CCP interests and that potential critics remain divided.[5][6][7]
kys chink
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Being “affiliated” with United front is literally a nothing burger. You’re moronic
>chinese post-grad student comes to america (they make up 70% of all foreign students in the US) >gets granted student visa (american universities - very profitable businesses - have been lobbying for decades to make this easier) >put in room full of the wests latest innovations in their field >ccp calls them up "hey, be a bro and steal some of that ip" >failing that it's "hey, would be a real shame if something happened to your parents back home"
this has been happening for decades and the three letter agencies are pissing themselves in rage over blatantly seeing it happen time and time again but not being allowed to do anything about it. china has sucked trilions in ip from the west via this method and just plain reverse engineering (which is at least a fair bit slower.) anyone who disputes this is a shill for the ccp.
that it's "hey, would be a real shame if something happened to your parents back home"
this is also why you see indians increasingly extorting chinese students in the west
lmao, Chinese are considered "white enough" and are being rolled into the white genocide plan by global homo, nobody is afraid of incompetent chink spies.
essentially the far left morons who are destroying this country have decided that, unanimously, chinese people are privileged like whites are, and therefore are as bad as white, meaning they actually study, or at least cheat much better than other minorities.
tl;dr
they don't support the narrative so they're considered expendable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>stop asian hate bullshit >noo you cant blame chinks for covid das reeysis
I doubt it
2 years ago
Anonymous
its only sino and russian shills that in any way shape or form exculpate China from its part in the kung flu
Taiwan doesn't really need it, they're going full missile spam defensive doctrine anyway. Whatever fighters Taiwan has, they're only useful for intercepting/escorting China's sabre rattling flight incursions and little else.
Buy all the explosives on the world market, put them into every chip factory, lab and everything else that has an economic value.
Call the chinksects and tell them that they will inherit an island full of rubble, nothing else.
If they still try it blow everything up and laugh because it will cost them hundreds and thousands of billions to rebuild everything
Kek. Intel will be the king again, if you do that. Samsung will take over almost the mobile chips supply. While on the lower end, Intel will churn out chips on older manufacturing process.
ASML will just redirect their machines towards the two.
China is the Largest oil importer on the planet and second largest oil consumer. 70% of their oil consumption is imported and is expected to sharply rise to 80% by 2030.
The vast majority of it comes through here, the Malacca Strait. One carrier group patrolling the waters and a Battalion of marines in Singapore could choke the oil guzzling, Chinese war machine and force them to make strategies based on my time table. They would have to commit serious naval assets to dislodge even one carrier group. Two would require a complete about face in the entire theatre. All the while, their oil clock is ticking.
This mutt is posting circlejerk pastas knowing "the numbers" and "facts" are all fake and fudged like all Amerimutt reports. You think these subhumans give a frick about the new pipelines?
Nuclear subs need oil?
Black person how fricking stupid are you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh no, subs? The US literally has no way of defending against those
2 years ago
Anonymous
>oh no, i got btfo for being moronic so I’m gonna shift and deflect
Get fricked you stupid c**t.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So this armada of subs are going to just sort of Pummel The American coast Atlantic and Pacific, completely unopposed... they'll just completely have free run of every port...From Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico, China and Russia will put such a testicle binding hurt on the US....
And this man calls ME stupid
The infrastructure doesn't exist. They're in the process of building it now, but as it stands China very, very much relies on maritime transport, to completely shift over to pipelines and trucks, trains etc., this will take years, and, ironically, huge amounts of materials and oil.
The question is if the Chinese with their existing forces can take Taiwan in 90s. Simply put the answer I think is no. The Chinese navy is a joke and actually transporting huge numbers of troops and supplies there would require that they start pressing civilian shipping craft into service.
Given that this is the exact scenario that Taiwan has been preparing for for the last 50 years I'm primarily interested in seeing the oceans aflame, the corpses of literally tens of thousands of chinkoids floating in the bloody water.
> The Chinese navy is a joke and actually transporting huge numbers of troops and supplies there would require that they start pressing civilian shipping craft into service.
PLAN has the second largest sealift capability on this planet you stupid frick.
Except China has enough reserves for 90 days - probably double if you factor in the shut down / slowdown of non essential oil consumption like civilian airlines and cargo ships. That and now that Russia is sanctioned China essentially is the only real consumer of all their oil.
Couple a complete oil embargo with economic sanctions and China is a sitting duck. Also, their entire officer corps is either corrupt or incompetent due to being promoted by party loyalty. Thousands would die in the first week from sheer ineptitude. Taking Taiwan by force would ruin China's economy
>sitting duck
They're monetarily a sitting duck, not industrially. They've been making everyone's shit for years, remember? If trade is immediately severed, sure the US ends up with more piles of paper and 1s and 0s in bank accounts. While China ends up with lithium ion batteries, motors, steel foundries, electronics, chemical factories, all the things actually needed to sustain a war machine.
>sitting duck
In 90 days Taiwan is either under CCP control or it'll never be.
And they would need oil to sustain that industry, 90 days MIGHT be flexible enough to take major parts of Taiwan but the US isnt just going to go "Oh shucks, they got the island? I guess we better go home" China cant sustain both the industry and their military on oil reserves and piece meal pipelines, production vs force projection will start to become excrutiating strategic decisions.
>lithium ion batteries, motors, steel foundries, electronics, chemical factories, all the things actually needed to sustain a war machine.
You can't make all that for free, or out of nothing. Exclusive trade with Russia can only do so much to make up for deficiencies when the entire world sans whatever African countries China's managed to woo stops trading with them.
>whatever African countries China's managed to woo stops trading with them
dont see a lot of discussion about what will happen when china inevitably has to deal with islamist spearchuckers far from home
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>islamist spearchuckers
Kek, even the Taliban love China. Don't know how they do it, but everyone from Israel to Iran loves China.
Uhm sweety America just needs to checkmate China first and then China can be put into a check situation where we can just watch China collapse all on its own. Easy. Just like when Ziondon cucked out of his tradewar in under a year.
I totally came up with this genius strategy on my own and didnt hear this script parotted a million times on US state run media fronts.
Pipelines, trucks, coastal routes like Valdivostok
>lithium ion batteries, motors, steel foundries, electronics, chemical factories, all the things actually needed to sustain a war machine.
You can't make all that for free, or out of nothing. Exclusive trade with Russia can only do so much to make up for deficiencies when the entire world sans whatever African countries China's managed to woo stops trading with them.
>with no money
You're so far up the monetarist hole you think bits of papers and 1's and 0's have value. Money is a measure of value. In a wartime economy, personal consumption shifts to military spending, creating the necessary capital flows to sustain production.
>no resources
China actually has a shit load of resources. It is the biggest producer of many commodities like steel, coal, agriculture, rare earths etc. They import so much because they have an even bigger population.
>steel
Which you need iron to make, which China doesn't have. >Coal
China's demands for coal are so high that though they are one of the worlds biggest producers, they are also the worlds biggest consumer of coal. If they don't get enough their entire country will shut down, as has nearly happened in the past few years. Pic related.
Agriculture and rare earths I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on, but I doubt that it's self-sufficient enough to cope with total trade blockade.
>iron ore
Which China is also the 3rd biggest producer of. Russia is one of the biggest as well.
>consumers of coal
For commercial needs yes
>agriculture
China is the world's largest agricultural producer, but imports basedbeans and other feedstock
>rare earths
China is also one of the dominant producers
Also all this talk of iron ore and farms makes me want to play civ 6 again
2 years ago
Anonymous
>China is the world's largest agricultural producer, but imports basedbeans and other feedstock
you need to believe this more than we do
2 years ago
Anonymous
2021
1.5 trillion vs 300 billion dollars agricultural production.
It's not even close, mutt. >what about food import...?
84 billion import, 84 billion export vs 86 billion import and 177 billion export.
guess which is which.
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What I'm trying to get at is that China's demands for coal and iron far outstrip their supply. It doesn't matter that they produce these in significant qualities, they still are incredibly reliant upon foreign trade to support their industry and population. It's why they've bought into the renewables meme so much, because their energy security is extremely vulnerable to disruptions in supply, and not because they want to save the planet. China without these resources would be in a very dangerous situation that the CCP wants to avoid at all costs. While the military might be prioritised and kept running, it will be the civilians who suffer, and 1.3 billion angry chinks who aren't living the luxurious middle class lifestyle they've gotten used to over the past 4 decades is not a force I would want to be dealing with.
>civ 6
homosexual. Civ V or IV.
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Anonymous
Their commercial demand, not wartime demand, is not met from internal production. They are very different things. Same goes for oil - a lot of oil, like those in the Tarim basin, are not exploited simply for commercial reasons. The 1.3 billion will have their anger successfully redirected to America if they get blockaded, and then the CCP will have unlimited political power.
>civ 5
Crappy AI, shit code optimisation in late game makes it lag, diplomacy is terrible and volatile, and no stacking into corps/army is a significant combat limitation. Civ 6 is civ 5 but with more content and some fixed.
China has demonstrated it will imprison whole cities, to reduce consumption. So 100% of oil will go to military. China will do this day1 Vs Nazis year 3.
Also China has 30million excess males it needs to get rid off due population imbalance, China would be glad to see them lost for some meaningless territory
What would they do to stop them besides sail a huge force that could be seen and therefore prepared for ahead of time by a carrier group and a battalion of Marines? It's not like they'd be caught unaware or that they wouldnt already have extra assets in the Indian Ocean ready to jump in
>ASEAN will not stay neutral
Their entire gimmick is that they don't support either the US or China. At worst they won't allow the US or Aus to sail in their territorial waters.
And thats why China has spend the last 10years building the biggest fleet on earth. good luck with your carrier group vs 50 destroyers. Also China is building an airfield/base in Cambodia right now.
Take over the govt. Repeal gun Control. Compulsory military service for everyone 18 to 35. Send everyone home with their rifle, ammo, and kit. Start propagandizing the population into Taiwan nationalism and independence from the the Communists. Declare formal independent nation status. Start nuclear weapons program.
>anti tank training limited to bare hands
kek, but stop posting this.Keep the delusional Amerimutt fanfics about China alive, while every major city in China has public gun ranges and millions of random Chinese civilians more experience with guns than the US puppet regimes conscripts.
It's pretty hard for Taiwan to win a protracted military conflict against China. They can make China bleed for every inch of land, but it's China, they don't give a frick about their soldiers anymore than the Russians do. Short of dropping a nuke on Beijing, ideally right on top of the Great Hall of the People while Xi's giving a speech, there isn't really a win condition I don't think.
>What do you do? You have been allocated $9billion USD in additional spending for this purpose.
I put up giant billboards that can be seen from most areas that's just the Tienamen square copy pasta, along with megaphones to blare it.
CCP soldiers would be forced to gulag themselves or gouge out theri ears and eyes to enter taiwan. After that I just arm the soldiers with the cheapest armor and guns possible and pocket the rest of the cash.
What do you do? You have been allocated $9billion USD in additional spending for this purpose.
I like Taiwan, so I’m gonna give you a real answer >I bribe my way into the KMT army brass and stage a coup to remove all the pan green frickwits and all the NED sponsored homosexuals. >I then call Xi and tell him shit’s under control and we won’t rock the boat if he doesn’t >I further tell him TSMC won’t observe strictly US export control >another 50 years of peace guaranteed.
Remove everybody from That Other China and put explosives everywhere. Like make everything out of PENO. Then let the Chinese invade and once they're in, blow it up their asses. Presto, no more Chinese invasion force.
I invest the 8.99 billion in a diversified portfolio mostly covering investments that would multiply in worth and profits following a chinese invasion of taiwan, and set up shell NGOs or deals with companies to exploit the multi-billion dollar contracts for rebuilding china after the war, prepare money for loans to give out as they rebuild, and also set up human trafficking corridors for organs, prostitution, slave labor etc. from all the displaced civilian survivors. The ten million I didnt spend at first is used to buy PrepHole. I will be the next m00t and never ban any australians from the site short of cp posting.
what? Taiwan? lmao why would I spend money on that? americlap taxpayers pay for that lmao
Bribe China gov not to invade during my term.
Bribe them 8 bil.
Officially 9 bil
The one remaining bil gets laundered to my offshore bank account in China : )
Bury nukes in the waters, 47 miles off the coast of Taiwan. If a land invasion is imminent, wait for them to cross within a mile and a half of the nukes, then boom. Frick em. The bugs are not worth an elaborate defensive plan.
Stock up on 10k PHL-191's GMLRS rounds to wipe out the islands IADS, and then spend the rest of the money in UCAVs to dronestrike what's left of the defenders with total impunity
I buy the most expensive paper I can find and the most expensive pen I can get and I write a sternly worded letter to Xinnie the Poh, outlining in detail what is going to happen if he invades Taiwan, then I'll have my ambassador deliver it to him personally.
ASMs out the ass. Lots more MANPADS and AT systems, Ukraine burned through a huge pile in a month or so. Also prepare to torch or transport abroad every useful part of industry incase they make it ashore. Don't give them the TSMC foundries. Drones to harass once they land. Mines, night fighting capability. Anything that ties up chinese resources. Make it so costly that they gain practically nothing from it.
Acquire a shit ton of armed drones since we've seen how effective they can be in combat. Also heavily mine the beaches and set up machine gun nests near them.
Fabricating 200 000 small drones self guided with loitering small and facial recognition (https://youtu.be/9fa9lVwHHqg).
Then combined with mass surveillance you send your 200K small drone auto-guided to people susceptible to organize resistance in Taiwan. Creating an absolute terror and make the country paralyzed at worst, surrendering out of shock at best.
And in the meantime you do a classic naval invasion into Taipei, capture it and US wouldn't have the time to react China would already be behind nukes and the local population.
>and US wouldn't have the time to react
literally the moment any chinese ship fired a shot in anger it could get an adcap up its ass, the only factor is political will - which is why china is spending more on subverting US politics than on its military.
>200K small drone auto-guided to people susceptible to organize resistance in Taiwan
How are you going to smuggle 200,000 loitering munitions into Taiwan, homosexual? >classic naval invasion into Taipei
With multiple US fleets in the region, one of which is in the South China Sea at all times?
2/10 write a more believable fanfic
The PLAN has also never conducted an opposed naval landing in its history, with a military that is largely green (besides blowing up skinnies in Africa).
The last time they tried, they got so utterly buck-broken that they never attempted it again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guningtou >ROC tank crews who had depleted their ammunition used their tanks as road rollers to crush PLA infantry. The pivotal role these tanks played caused ROC troops to give the M5A1 the nickname "Bear of Kinmen" (金門之熊)
Run a long protracted political campaign using the $9 billion as campaign funds. Once I get have power, declare myself as Emperor of Formosa and rule with a military dictatorship. Implement an imperial court with a harem of Taiwanese girls who are raised to be impregnated by me.
Eventually cut a deal with the CCP to let me be a figurehead ruler, ensuring prosperity for my children for generations.
Surrender. US Navy can't approach 1000 km of Taiwan in a wartime scenario with China's fleet of anti-ship & anti-carrier missiles such as the DF21 and their hypersonic missiles. Reality is America has no hope of projecting power anywhere near China because they wasted their money on outdated carriers and ships instead of innovating with hypersonic missiles like China and Russia did. You can build 1000+ hypersonic missiles for the cost of a single carrier and a carrier can be shot down by a barrage of 50 of these even with US anti-missile tech. It is unironically impossible for America to win. Only hope America has is of fast tracking their hypersonic missile program and getting a huge number of them on Taiwan somehow. Good luck with that.
agreed, i'm joseph adams of oregon provence. american congress needs to stop worrying about taiwan and focus on more important issues in our border. such as infrastructures and food security. and make nice with the people's republic because china is our most important friend and partner.
>What do you do?
Bunkers. China can afford to manufacture enough shitty copies of HIMARS to reduce every standing structure in Taiwan to rubble in a day, and zerg rush in, ignoring casualties. China can also afford to rebuild it back in a year.
>China can also afford to rebuild it back in a year.
>want to take over literally one-of-a-kind-on-the-entire-fricking-planet high-spec chip industry >kill a bunch of people - including many of the technicians and engineers in said industry >even those that live - you've probably killed a few of their family members >destroy the almost one-of-a-kind machines and blueprints needed to make said chips
yeah, some things can't be rebuilt in a year - no matter how much money you pump into it. also if you're spending tens or even hundreds of trillions in military expenditure, losses due to sanctions and rebuilding costs over a decade to acquire something you could have bought for far less than that in the same time-frame - you're a complete moron.
I’m Biden
I hold a long tabled meeting in person with Pooty Poot
When there I pull out the football and drop nukes on china, india to reduce the world population
since russia isn’t some population explosion shit hole we then divy up the rest of the world that contains less than a billion people
Everyone is happy
The end
0 blockade to start war of attrition (taiwan imports all its energy)
1 take out sam sites and hard targets with ballistic missiles
2 fast movers to finish off remainders
3 gain air superiority
4 cover amphibious assault with long range artillery and air support
5 ????
6 gain worthless pozzed country that is already infested with chinese nationalists
I think I'd probably get every homosexual and motherfricker in taipei to start 3d printing grenade launchers and ammo, because that basically gives everybody in taiwan the ability to 1-shot any chinese military asset that might be used against them, with a plausible chance at both surprise and lethal effect.
1.) It exists in defiance of their "one possible Chinese system" talking point.
2.) Taiwan is more successful per capita than the PRC.
3.) Taiwan has access to high tech manufacturing methods that the mainland strain of the people cannot replicate.
4.) Taiwan is incredibly wealthy, and as with Hong Kong, they want to steal that.
5.) Xi's ego. It's possible - though not certain - that he wants to end his career with a feather in his cap: 'the man who reunited China.' Someone who'd be a peer to Mao.
how the f*ck is anyone getting boots on the ground by crossing 150km? Landing ship? Artillery. Even the fastest transport with paratroopers and you have 10+ minutes of warning to polish your shoulder launched missile.
It's approximately 100km and yes, landing craft. They don't even need amphibious assualt carriers to deploy them when they're that close.
The goal is to not achieve complete surprise. It's to achieve local superiority long enough to establish a beach head. Taiwan's forces will be spread out across the dozen possible landing sites, with reserves positioned accordingly. How the attack will go if they do it right >cruise missiles and rocket artillery destroy key installations like runways, radar sites and bridges >AWACs will cue AD or combat air patrols to enemy aircraft and try to achieve air superiority >once achieved, SEAD will be conducted to neutralise AA and ASM sites >then naval artillery, air strikes and rocket artillery will soften up landing sites >the sites will be ideally supported by an integrated brigades of attack choppers, CAS aircraft, naval artillery and amphibious landing vehicles/IFVs >beach heads are established as FOBs for the land invasion
The task for Taiwan is to disrupt operations and stop the beach heads from being built. They have about two days before the force concentration is so great they are effectively fighting a ground war instead of an amphibious assualt
Assuming you can't give them nukes anything and everything towards anti air/sea. China's win condition is getting even the tiniest land based foothold onto Taiwan and the hopes the general populace capitulates, to even have a chance means making any Amphibious warfare essentially a bloodbath that's so significant China would have to completely abandon any defensive military doctrine towards bum rushing Taiwan which I don't think they're willing to do.
a nuke
FPBP. Taiwan maintains a nuclear program that is perpetually only a couple months away from building a weapon. In 6 months they could have several nuclear weapons and already have the means to deliver them.
Taiwan's nuclear program has already produced results but they don't want to provoke China that much.
Now THAT would be awesome. Imagine the Chang seethe if they announce they are a nuclear power.
Was there some reason the US didn't sell Taiwan F-35s? I only see F-16s
1) Taiwan has a serious Chinese spy problem
2) They don't want it to be lost to China if there's a war
This
And 3. There is still chance pro-Chinese politician gain power
From what I've observed. KMT is doing damn bad so it becomes less likely.
Nonetheless it's better to give F35 to Japan and tell them to assist. Taiwan can use older model focusing in other task.
The whole strategy around defense of Taiwan is division of labour and Taiwan will not be fighting alone.
Unless America has its own chink spies problem and somehow decided to lose its super power position by giving up Taiwan
>Unless America has its own chink spies problem
Is this even a question? China considers every single expat and person of chinese descent as an espionage asset, and they've launched massive psyops the last couple of years make to the west too afraid to root out the rampant chinese spies because of muh racism.
Bullshit
Black person, where have you been? This is public knowledge and china is completely open about it in their foreign policy. I even ran into one at my previous job. Some chick assumed the identity of this other chinese woman who went to Cornell so she could get hired by us as a data scientist, but then her documents didn't match the name we hired her under, so she gave the excuse that she legally changed her name the week before she started at our company. While she was with us, she kept mentioning really weird stuff like how she moonlights fighting disinformation against the chinese government on social media. She quit abruptly with three days notice after only work working for us for a month and a half, saying that she was going full time with her internet job. During the time that she was with us she had full access to all of our company's data.
Yeah homie you’re moronic.
Keep your head in the sand, homosexual. At one point she let it slip that she was affiliated with this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Front_Work_Department
Being “affiliated” with United front is literally a nothing burger. You’re moronic.
>The United Front Work Department of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (UFWD; simplified Chinese: 中共中央统一战线工作部; traditional Chinese: 中共中央統一戰線工作部; pinyin: Zhōnggòng zhōngyāng tǒngyī zhànxiàn gōngzuò bù) is a department that reports directly to the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), which gathers intelligence on, manages relations with, and attempts to influence elite individuals and organizations inside and outside China.[1][2] The UFWD focuses its work on people or entities that are outside the CCP, especially in the overseas Chinese community, who hold political, commercial, or academic influence, or who represent interest groups.[3][4] Through its efforts, the UFWD seeks to ensure that these individuals and groups are supportive of or useful to CCP interests and that potential critics remain divided.[5][6][7]
kys chink
>Being “affiliated” with United front is literally a nothing burger. You’re moronic
>Chinese nationalist
>find out they lied about their name and their documents don’t match
>hire them anyway
I mean, what the frick?
At this point I'm thinking in our lifetime we'll start letting Chinese nationals work at Raytheon R&D departments
>chinese post-grad student comes to america (they make up 70% of all foreign students in the US)
>gets granted student visa (american universities - very profitable businesses - have been lobbying for decades to make this easier)
>put in room full of the wests latest innovations in their field
>ccp calls them up "hey, be a bro and steal some of that ip"
>failing that it's "hey, would be a real shame if something happened to your parents back home"
this has been happening for decades and the three letter agencies are pissing themselves in rage over blatantly seeing it happen time and time again but not being allowed to do anything about it. china has sucked trilions in ip from the west via this method and just plain reverse engineering (which is at least a fair bit slower.) anyone who disputes this is a shill for the ccp.
that it's "hey, would be a real shame if something happened to your parents back home"
this is also why you see indians increasingly extorting chinese students in the west
lmao, Chinese are considered "white enough" and are being rolled into the white genocide plan by global homo, nobody is afraid of incompetent chink spies.
>killing chink bugmen
>white genocide
what?
essentially the far left morons who are destroying this country have decided that, unanimously, chinese people are privileged like whites are, and therefore are as bad as white, meaning they actually study, or at least cheat much better than other minorities.
tl;dr
they don't support the narrative so they're considered expendable.
>stop asian hate bullshit
>noo you cant blame chinks for covid das reeysis
I doubt it
its only sino and russian shills that in any way shape or form exculpate China from its part in the kung flu
Meanwhile, Israel has been selling China all our secrets anyway. Greatest ally and all that.
F-16s? I thought Taiwan made their own dual engine ITAR-free F-16 rip off.
Taiwan doesn't really need it, they're going full missile spam defensive doctrine anyway. Whatever fighters Taiwan has, they're only useful for intercepting/escorting China's sabre rattling flight incursions and little else.
>$9billion USD in additional spending for this purpose.
Collapsible batons.
Buy all the explosives on the world market, put them into every chip factory, lab and everything else that has an economic value.
Call the chinksects and tell them that they will inherit an island full of rubble, nothing else.
If they still try it blow everything up and laugh because it will cost them hundreds and thousands of billions to rebuild everything
Dumbest post itt so far
They dont care about the people.
Theyre fine controlling rocks in the middle of the sea and building fake islands on them to claim territorial waters.
How many Billions do you think it costs to build, man, and maintain those fake islands?
China is economically dependent on Taiwan for Semiconductors. If the chip factories die then China's electronics industry dies too,
Thats a bit like saying China is economically dependent on trade with the US and will not do anything that will risk war.
Or - they wipe out the competition, set the world back 5 years, and become the world's new undisputed chip powerhouse.
That would actually make the US the semi-conductor leader as Samsung and Intel have US headquarters.
Kek. Intel will be the king again, if you do that. Samsung will take over almost the mobile chips supply. While on the lower end, Intel will churn out chips on older manufacturing process.
ASML will just redirect their machines towards the two.
I don't think anyone ever successfully ran on the suicide vest platform
>Uncle Osama strongly disagrees
Spend 9 billion to finish fauci's work re-engineering covid into an actual disease that kills and re-release it in Peking
Get 1000 large transport vessels and move 10-20 million Haitians and Africans onto the island. China won’t bother invading
i feel like your slave ships are going to make your regime unpopular domestically and internationally
Ship them to the mainland, then.
China is the Largest oil importer on the planet and second largest oil consumer. 70% of their oil consumption is imported and is expected to sharply rise to 80% by 2030.
The vast majority of it comes through here, the Malacca Strait. One carrier group patrolling the waters and a Battalion of marines in Singapore could choke the oil guzzling, Chinese war machine and force them to make strategies based on my time table. They would have to commit serious naval assets to dislodge even one carrier group. Two would require a complete about face in the entire theatre. All the while, their oil clock is ticking.
Enter Russians oil by pipeline.
We need to plug that gap first.
This mutt is posting circlejerk pastas knowing "the numbers" and "facts" are all fake and fudged like all Amerimutt reports. You think these subhumans give a frick about the new pipelines?
And yet, China is spending money far out the ass to build sandbar bases in the South China Sea just so they can get to the Strait as fast as possible.
So just launch Tomahawks from a Virginia chilling in the Arctic and destroy the pipeline.
russia and china would start doing the same to US domestic ports
With what oil are they going to use to sail enough ships across the Pacific and the Atlantic to hurt the US in the same way?
Nuclear subs need oil?
Black person how fricking stupid are you?
Oh no, subs? The US literally has no way of defending against those
>oh no, i got btfo for being moronic so I’m gonna shift and deflect
Get fricked you stupid c**t.
So this armada of subs are going to just sort of Pummel The American coast Atlantic and Pacific, completely unopposed... they'll just completely have free run of every port...From Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico, China and Russia will put such a testicle binding hurt on the US....
And this man calls ME stupid
not him, but you're a moron
how
…if you have to ask…
These pipelines are very vulnerable to sabotage. They are a non issue as they can be rekt almost at will.
Come to think of it, US vs China and UK/Europe vs Russia is ideal and it rekts both threats at once.
Please China, DO something.
most sino-russian pipelines are being halted due to major investors pulling out
>very vulnerable to sabotage
They're hundreds of miles inland in extremely cold, desolate territory.
The infrastructure doesn't exist. They're in the process of building it now, but as it stands China very, very much relies on maritime transport, to completely shift over to pipelines and trucks, trains etc., this will take years, and, ironically, huge amounts of materials and oil.
The question is if the Chinese with their existing forces can take Taiwan in 90s. Simply put the answer I think is no. The Chinese navy is a joke and actually transporting huge numbers of troops and supplies there would require that they start pressing civilian shipping craft into service.
Given that this is the exact scenario that Taiwan has been preparing for for the last 50 years I'm primarily interested in seeing the oceans aflame, the corpses of literally tens of thousands of chinkoids floating in the bloody water.
> The Chinese navy is a joke and actually transporting huge numbers of troops and supplies there would require that they start pressing civilian shipping craft into service.
PLAN has the second largest sealift capability on this planet you stupid frick.
If you count fishing boats and civilian ferries and ro/ros.
Pipelines have no defense. Easy to pop 1 hole somewhere.
Except China has enough reserves for 90 days - probably double if you factor in the shut down / slowdown of non essential oil consumption like civilian airlines and cargo ships. That and now that Russia is sanctioned China essentially is the only real consumer of all their oil.
Couple a complete oil embargo with economic sanctions and China is a sitting duck. Also, their entire officer corps is either corrupt or incompetent due to being promoted by party loyalty. Thousands would die in the first week from sheer ineptitude. Taking Taiwan by force would ruin China's economy
You’re moronic.
Seriously.
Do you use Nord or Express when you post?
Neither. I don’t hide behind vpns when I call you a moron, moron.
>sitting duck
They're monetarily a sitting duck, not industrially. They've been making everyone's shit for years, remember? If trade is immediately severed, sure the US ends up with more piles of paper and 1s and 0s in bank accounts. While China ends up with lithium ion batteries, motors, steel foundries, electronics, chemical factories, all the things actually needed to sustain a war machine.
>sitting duck
In 90 days Taiwan is either under CCP control or it'll never be.
And they would need oil to sustain that industry, 90 days MIGHT be flexible enough to take major parts of Taiwan but the US isnt just going to go "Oh shucks, they got the island? I guess we better go home" China cant sustain both the industry and their military on oil reserves and piece meal pipelines, production vs force projection will start to become excrutiating strategic decisions.
You think a hot war between china and US lasts 90 days? Lol.
Shit would be over in 3 weeks.
it would have been over in a matter of days if MacArthur had gotten his way and nuked the insects into extinction
You’re wrong and you’re dumb.
"don't worry lads, the war will be over by Christmas!". It's never so easy anon...
>lithium ion batteries, motors, steel foundries, electronics, chemical factories, all the things actually needed to sustain a war machine.
You can't make all that for free, or out of nothing. Exclusive trade with Russia can only do so much to make up for deficiencies when the entire world sans whatever African countries China's managed to woo stops trading with them.
>whatever African countries China's managed to woo stops trading with them
dont see a lot of discussion about what will happen when china inevitably has to deal with islamist spearchuckers far from home
>islamist spearchuckers
Kek, even the Taliban love China. Don't know how they do it, but everyone from Israel to Iran loves China.
Uhm sweety America just needs to checkmate China first and then China can be put into a check situation where we can just watch China collapse all on its own. Easy. Just like when Ziondon cucked out of his tradewar in under a year.
I totally came up with this genius strategy on my own and didnt hear this script parotted a million times on US state run media fronts.
>Please dont pay attention to our gas guzzling achilles heel. I have literally no answer to our main import supply line being shut down.
how does Russia get the oil to China?
Pipelines, trucks, coastal routes like Valdivostok
>with no money
You're so far up the monetarist hole you think bits of papers and 1's and 0's have value. Money is a measure of value. In a wartime economy, personal consumption shifts to military spending, creating the necessary capital flows to sustain production.
>no resources
China actually has a shit load of resources. It is the biggest producer of many commodities like steel, coal, agriculture, rare earths etc. They import so much because they have an even bigger population.
>steel
Which you need iron to make, which China doesn't have.
>Coal
China's demands for coal are so high that though they are one of the worlds biggest producers, they are also the worlds biggest consumer of coal. If they don't get enough their entire country will shut down, as has nearly happened in the past few years. Pic related.
Agriculture and rare earths I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on, but I doubt that it's self-sufficient enough to cope with total trade blockade.
>iron ore
Which China is also the 3rd biggest producer of. Russia is one of the biggest as well.
>consumers of coal
For commercial needs yes
>agriculture
China is the world's largest agricultural producer, but imports basedbeans and other feedstock
>rare earths
China is also one of the dominant producers
Also all this talk of iron ore and farms makes me want to play civ 6 again
>China is the world's largest agricultural producer, but imports basedbeans and other feedstock
you need to believe this more than we do
2021
1.5 trillion vs 300 billion dollars agricultural production.
It's not even close, mutt.
>what about food import...?
84 billion import, 84 billion export vs 86 billion import and 177 billion export.
guess which is which.
What I'm trying to get at is that China's demands for coal and iron far outstrip their supply. It doesn't matter that they produce these in significant qualities, they still are incredibly reliant upon foreign trade to support their industry and population. It's why they've bought into the renewables meme so much, because their energy security is extremely vulnerable to disruptions in supply, and not because they want to save the planet. China without these resources would be in a very dangerous situation that the CCP wants to avoid at all costs. While the military might be prioritised and kept running, it will be the civilians who suffer, and 1.3 billion angry chinks who aren't living the luxurious middle class lifestyle they've gotten used to over the past 4 decades is not a force I would want to be dealing with.
>civ 6
homosexual. Civ V or IV.
Their commercial demand, not wartime demand, is not met from internal production. They are very different things. Same goes for oil - a lot of oil, like those in the Tarim basin, are not exploited simply for commercial reasons. The 1.3 billion will have their anger successfully redirected to America if they get blockaded, and then the CCP will have unlimited political power.
>civ 5
Crappy AI, shit code optimisation in late game makes it lag, diplomacy is terrible and volatile, and no stacking into corps/army is a significant combat limitation. Civ 6 is civ 5 but with more content and some fixed.
China has demonstrated it will imprison whole cities, to reduce consumption. So 100% of oil will go to military. China will do this day1 Vs Nazis year 3.
Also China has 30million excess males it needs to get rid off due population imbalance, China would be glad to see them lost for some meaningless territory
>implying the USA can blockade China
>Implying AESAN will not stay neutral
They might stay neutral but they would never try to stop the blockade because then they'd get blockaded too
the USA can blockade China
Are you implying the USA can't?
>implying the USA can blockade China
What would they do to stop them besides sail a huge force that could be seen and therefore prepared for ahead of time by a carrier group and a battalion of Marines? It's not like they'd be caught unaware or that they wouldnt already have extra assets in the Indian Ocean ready to jump in
ASEAN hates both China and Taiwan, they would gladly watch both sides kill one another.
I bet if shit really hit the fan you'll have the Philippines gunning down Taiwanese ships and refugees trying to swim in their direction.
c**ts who don't live in SEA don't understand that SEA hates Chinks, even Singapore hates Chinks and they're overseas Chinamen.
>implying the USA can blockade China
China's entire doctrine is built around the fact that they know they will be under siege from the get go.
>ASEAN will not stay neutral
Their entire gimmick is that they don't support either the US or China. At worst they won't allow the US or Aus to sail in their territorial waters.
Having fun regurgitating RealLifeLore's latest video?
Who? Also, this isnt some brand new concept, Pentagon's been working this for ages
And thats why China has spend the last 10years building the biggest fleet on earth. good luck with your carrier group vs 50 destroyers. Also China is building an airfield/base in Cambodia right now.
Take over the govt. Repeal gun Control. Compulsory military service for everyone 18 to 35. Send everyone home with their rifle, ammo, and kit. Start propagandizing the population into Taiwan nationalism and independence from the the Communists. Declare formal independent nation status. Start nuclear weapons program.
buy and place 3 billion landmines
Spend it all on seethe and cope about China on the internet. At least win the hearts of some coping muttcels.
Give up
https://ww.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/wah0u6/dispelling_the_myth_of_taiwan_military_competency/
>inb4 leddit
>anti tank training limited to bare hands
kek, but stop posting this.Keep the delusional Amerimutt fanfics about China alive, while every major city in China has public gun ranges and millions of random Chinese civilians more experience with guns than the US puppet regimes conscripts.
go back
Prepare?
?eraperP<
It's pretty hard for Taiwan to win a protracted military conflict against China. They can make China bleed for every inch of land, but it's China, they don't give a frick about their soldiers anymore than the Russians do. Short of dropping a nuke on Beijing, ideally right on top of the Great Hall of the People while Xi's giving a speech, there isn't really a win condition I don't think.
>What do you do? You have been allocated $9billion USD in additional spending for this purpose.
I put up giant billboards that can be seen from most areas that's just the Tienamen square copy pasta, along with megaphones to blare it.
CCP soldiers would be forced to gulag themselves or gouge out theri ears and eyes to enter taiwan. After that I just arm the soldiers with the cheapest armor and guns possible and pocket the rest of the cash.
I pocket as much as possible and soend the rest on meme shit so that its easier for China when time comes
Based
I like Taiwan, so I’m gonna give you a real answer
>I bribe my way into the KMT army brass and stage a coup to remove all the pan green frickwits and all the NED sponsored homosexuals.
>I then call Xi and tell him shit’s under control and we won’t rock the boat if he doesn’t
>I further tell him TSMC won’t observe strictly US export control
>another 50 years of peace guaranteed.
Do what they have been doing, invest in shitting out missiles and win the fight in the straight.
Remove everybody from That Other China and put explosives everywhere. Like make everything out of PENO. Then let the Chinese invade and once they're in, blow it up their asses. Presto, no more Chinese invasion force.
I invest the 8.99 billion in a diversified portfolio mostly covering investments that would multiply in worth and profits following a chinese invasion of taiwan, and set up shell NGOs or deals with companies to exploit the multi-billion dollar contracts for rebuilding china after the war, prepare money for loans to give out as they rebuild, and also set up human trafficking corridors for organs, prostitution, slave labor etc. from all the displaced civilian survivors. The ten million I didnt spend at first is used to buy PrepHole. I will be the next m00t and never ban any australians from the site short of cp posting.
what? Taiwan? lmao why would I spend money on that? americlap taxpayers pay for that lmao
>PrepHole visits a /k/ thread
That's not PrepHole though, PrepHole would invest everything into shitcoins
I dont know, Im almost too deppressed to even get out of bed in the morning. Please dont ask me to think or complete any complex tasks.
Bribe China gov not to invade during my term.
Bribe them 8 bil.
Officially 9 bil
The one remaining bil gets laundered to my offshore bank account in China : )
Turn all beachheads into escalators.
Reverse Cuban missile crisis, send them a bunch of nuclear cruise missiles and point them at beijing
Bury nukes in the waters, 47 miles off the coast of Taiwan. If a land invasion is imminent, wait for them to cross within a mile and a half of the nukes, then boom. Frick em. The bugs are not worth an elaborate defensive plan.
deliver a few hundred nuclear warheads with a survivable second-strike capability to Taipei
Give em nukes
It's not happening chuds, China isn't interested
do nothing and tell china "try it homosexuals"
Stock up on 10k PHL-191's GMLRS rounds to wipe out the islands IADS, and then spend the rest of the money in UCAVs to dronestrike what's left of the defenders with total impunity
?t=6
I buy the most expensive paper I can find and the most expensive pen I can get and I write a sternly worded letter to Xinnie the Poh, outlining in detail what is going to happen if he invades Taiwan, then I'll have my ambassador deliver it to him personally.
Same thing Zelenski did. Money launder every cent and then demand billions more.
>Money launders every cent
>still kills thousands of russians
holy shit based israelite
Hey, if laundering a billion results in +70k russian casualties, I'm all for sending $10B more.
ASMs out the ass. Lots more MANPADS and AT systems, Ukraine burned through a huge pile in a month or so. Also prepare to torch or transport abroad every useful part of industry incase they make it ashore. Don't give them the TSMC foundries. Drones to harass once they land. Mines, night fighting capability. Anything that ties up chinese resources. Make it so costly that they gain practically nothing from it.
>You have 6 months to prepare Taiwan for invasion
bro what the frick do you think they've been doing for the last 60 years
>What do you do? You have been allocated $9billion USD in additional spending for this purpose.
evacuate chip factory
Acquire a shit ton of armed drones since we've seen how effective they can be in combat. Also heavily mine the beaches and set up machine gun nests near them.
Naval invade China before they do
Blow up that dam on the yellow river and watch their country collapse into anarchy overnight.
Preemptively blow the three Gorges dam.
Fabricating 200 000 small drones self guided with loitering small and facial recognition (https://youtu.be/9fa9lVwHHqg).
Then combined with mass surveillance you send your 200K small drone auto-guided to people susceptible to organize resistance in Taiwan. Creating an absolute terror and make the country paralyzed at worst, surrendering out of shock at best.
And in the meantime you do a classic naval invasion into Taipei, capture it and US wouldn't have the time to react China would already be behind nukes and the local population.
>and US wouldn't have the time to react
literally the moment any chinese ship fired a shot in anger it could get an adcap up its ass, the only factor is political will - which is why china is spending more on subverting US politics than on its military.
>200K small drone auto-guided to people susceptible to organize resistance in Taiwan
How are you going to smuggle 200,000 loitering munitions into Taiwan, homosexual?
>classic naval invasion into Taipei
With multiple US fleets in the region, one of which is in the South China Sea at all times?
2/10 write a more believable fanfic
The PLAN has also never conducted an opposed naval landing in its history, with a military that is largely green (besides blowing up skinnies in Africa).
I mean, it has, they have always been defeated.
The last time they tried, they got so utterly buck-broken that they never attempted it again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guningtou
>ROC tank crews who had depleted their ammunition used their tanks as road rollers to crush PLA infantry. The pivotal role these tanks played caused ROC troops to give the M5A1 the nickname "Bear of Kinmen" (金門之熊)
>"AAAAAAAH! DING DONG! DING PING PONG! AAAAA-"
>*CRUUUUUUNCH*
I embezzle the money and flee.
Run a long protracted political campaign using the $9 billion as campaign funds. Once I get have power, declare myself as Emperor of Formosa and rule with a military dictatorship. Implement an imperial court with a harem of Taiwanese girls who are raised to be impregnated by me.
Eventually cut a deal with the CCP to let me be a figurehead ruler, ensuring prosperity for my children for generations.
Fund discord within the PRC.
Make people engage in more bank runs.
Defy lockdowns.
Smuggle them weapons.
Seems to be a big weakness rn.
Nukes and ICBMs
>What do you do?
Dig.
Wait, Taiwan is invading the mainland!? I should probably get my white sun blue sky flag ready when they land in my town. ROC has risen again!
Surrender. US Navy can't approach 1000 km of Taiwan in a wartime scenario with China's fleet of anti-ship & anti-carrier missiles such as the DF21 and their hypersonic missiles. Reality is America has no hope of projecting power anywhere near China because they wasted their money on outdated carriers and ships instead of innovating with hypersonic missiles like China and Russia did. You can build 1000+ hypersonic missiles for the cost of a single carrier and a carrier can be shot down by a barrage of 50 of these even with US anti-missile tech. It is unironically impossible for America to win. Only hope America has is of fast tracking their hypersonic missile program and getting a huge number of them on Taiwan somehow. Good luck with that.
agreed, i'm joseph adams of oregon provence. american congress needs to stop worrying about taiwan and focus on more important issues in our border. such as infrastructures and food security. and make nice with the people's republic because china is our most important friend and partner.
>What do you do?
Bunkers. China can afford to manufacture enough shitty copies of HIMARS to reduce every standing structure in Taiwan to rubble in a day, and zerg rush in, ignoring casualties. China can also afford to rebuild it back in a year.
>China can also afford to rebuild it back in a year.
>want to take over literally one-of-a-kind-on-the-entire-fricking-planet high-spec chip industry
>kill a bunch of people - including many of the technicians and engineers in said industry
>even those that live - you've probably killed a few of their family members
>destroy the almost one-of-a-kind machines and blueprints needed to make said chips
yeah, some things can't be rebuilt in a year - no matter how much money you pump into it. also if you're spending tens or even hundreds of trillions in military expenditure, losses due to sanctions and rebuilding costs over a decade to acquire something you could have bought for far less than that in the same time-frame - you're a complete moron.
I’m Biden
I hold a long tabled meeting in person with Pooty Poot
When there I pull out the football and drop nukes on china, india to reduce the world population
since russia isn’t some population explosion shit hole we then divy up the rest of the world that contains less than a billion people
Everyone is happy
The end
0 blockade to start war of attrition (taiwan imports all its energy)
1 take out sam sites and hard targets with ballistic missiles
2 fast movers to finish off remainders
3 gain air superiority
4 cover amphibious assault with long range artillery and air support
5 ????
6 gain worthless pozzed country that is already infested with chinese nationalists
Looking for the bro that made this for me : https://warosu.org/ck/thread/18169499
Thanks bro
I think I'd probably get every homosexual and motherfricker in taipei to start 3d printing grenade launchers and ammo, because that basically gives everybody in taiwan the ability to 1-shot any chinese military asset that might be used against them, with a plausible chance at both surprise and lethal effect.
Requisition smallpox from US deep freeze labs and load it in air dispersal cruise missiles aimed at Chinese civilian population centers.
This or some other bioweapon is the only logical choice.
seriously why is china so assblasted about a rock off of their coasts and why are they implying they are willing to send the world into hell for it
1.) It exists in defiance of their "one possible Chinese system" talking point.
2.) Taiwan is more successful per capita than the PRC.
3.) Taiwan has access to high tech manufacturing methods that the mainland strain of the people cannot replicate.
4.) Taiwan is incredibly wealthy, and as with Hong Kong, they want to steal that.
5.) Xi's ego. It's possible - though not certain - that he wants to end his career with a feather in his cap: 'the man who reunited China.' Someone who'd be a peer to Mao.
If it hasn't been said already,
how the f*ck is anyone getting boots on the ground by crossing 150km? Landing ship? Artillery. Even the fastest transport with paratroopers and you have 10+ minutes of warning to polish your shoulder launched missile.
It's approximately 100km and yes, landing craft. They don't even need amphibious assualt carriers to deploy them when they're that close.
The goal is to not achieve complete surprise. It's to achieve local superiority long enough to establish a beach head. Taiwan's forces will be spread out across the dozen possible landing sites, with reserves positioned accordingly. How the attack will go if they do it right
>cruise missiles and rocket artillery destroy key installations like runways, radar sites and bridges
>AWACs will cue AD or combat air patrols to enemy aircraft and try to achieve air superiority
>once achieved, SEAD will be conducted to neutralise AA and ASM sites
>then naval artillery, air strikes and rocket artillery will soften up landing sites
>the sites will be ideally supported by an integrated brigades of attack choppers, CAS aircraft, naval artillery and amphibious landing vehicles/IFVs
>beach heads are established as FOBs for the land invasion
The task for Taiwan is to disrupt operations and stop the beach heads from being built. They have about two days before the force concentration is so great they are effectively fighting a ground war instead of an amphibious assualt
Assuming you can't give them nukes anything and everything towards anti air/sea. China's win condition is getting even the tiniest land based foothold onto Taiwan and the hopes the general populace capitulates, to even have a chance means making any Amphibious warfare essentially a bloodbath that's so significant China would have to completely abandon any defensive military doctrine towards bum rushing Taiwan which I don't think they're willing to do.
I invest the money in crypto and then go live in the bahamas