Writing a novel, could use insight

Fa/tg/uy here attempting to write a military scifi novel. I'm 30k words in and realizing most of my comms chatter could use work. To that end, I have the following questions:

1. What would be the proper back and forth between tower and aircraft when there's incoming bombers and most of the base's squadron is scrambling? I'd like to be somewhat close to reality as it helps to show the MC has actually been paying attention during flight school.
2. How common are AWACS in aerial sorties? If I went by Ace Combat they're always around, but that feels off for some reason.
3. If size/weight wasn't an issue, what kind of gun would you put on something like the Darkstar? Could it even have weapons while going Mach 10?

Some things about the setting the story is in if any of you care:
>Traditional aliens invade plot with humans stealing their tech to survive and force a stalemate
>Said tech means there's sentient AI in anthropomorphic proxies of actual aircraft called "Air-Cores"
>Aside from being a great motivator to get men to sign up for the service, Air-Cores can assimilate weaponry and replicate it on the fly as needed to a certain degree. Nukes are the only exception.
>Each Air-Core can only bond with a single pilot during their operational lifetime. A single pilot can have multiple bonded units but it's practically unheard of
>Civilian MC ends up with an experimental Air-Core based on pic-related by accident
>Shenanigans ensue

I can post the Setting Bible and world building on the aliens if anyone is interested. Or just let me know if this is all pants on head idiocy.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're writing a fanfic of pilots fucking planes aren't you.
    You best post a link.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      just read the three body problem and its following book talks about alien invasion and how space fleet combat would work. shit is good but if your doing now im interested

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As you wish. Some of these links will be NSFW

      >Original Story/Quest where the MC ends up with three Air-Cores because the dice willed it
      https://fiction.live/stories/Operation-Black-Snow/NwwbKxakq6QBotQ5n
      >Setting Bible (WIP):
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS_D_8l8G27DLjn6x3ku7Rb94ZQtZMs-D9a4faz4fk6uRhevzSsDtb3uDF7Pxsb3-lIz3DicdHXPtM1/pub

      >Operation Black Eclipse (Current Novel)
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x90UfIKigCnqCYkWv-daEKJBHvP9ZffUAX8QA0kAlTk/
      >Kuxpir in Depth
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQClUjRLYFiUbGTOYdr1zmnNLI9hR4YFaJm5bDAo-hLnTAtavKlpRKUMl-IqenLMYDjFOfwRkjHmm98/pub

      fyi no one wants to read 30k words of bullshit to get to the part where they fuck the planes

      The Black Snow story/quest has fucking a plenty within 4 chapters. But for this novel I'm having to reign the horny back in

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lmao. I thought anon was joking about your writing fanfic about fucking planes. The "plane-Cortana" is pretty interesting, but AI shit is usually overpowered, so depends on how you limit their powers, the story will either be fanfic or actually interesting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no XB-70 waifu
        >no B-1B waifu
        >no Project Pluto waifu
        Shamefur dispray.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Project Pluto waifu
          Don't attract the braapfags

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >1
        read Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, chapter "Dance of the Vampires", and watch Patlabor 2, the Wyvern Flight Intercept
        >2
        In a wartime scenario AWACS would be up round the clock if availability allows, if not then certainly during periods of maximum anticipated threat. Look at what NATO is doing in Ukraine
        >3
        No guns

        >reign
        KYS "writer"

        It's erotica, anon. Don't think too hard about it

        Words to live by

        >Fa/tg/uy here attempting to write a military scifi novel.
        Join us on /tg/, brother.
        https://boards.PrepHole.org/tg/thread/86425666#top

        what happened to Storythread?

        https://i.imgur.com/SKOiIo2.jpg

        Looks pretty neat, anon, definitely gonna check it out
        So in your novel, do the planes need to refuel? If so, is refueling considered lewd?

        based trips, based question

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As you wish. Some of these links will be NSFW

      >Original Story/Quest where the MC ends up with three Air-Cores because the dice willed it
      https://fiction.live/stories/Operation-Black-Snow/NwwbKxakq6QBotQ5n
      >Setting Bible (WIP):
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS_D_8l8G27DLjn6x3ku7Rb94ZQtZMs-D9a4faz4fk6uRhevzSsDtb3uDF7Pxsb3-lIz3DicdHXPtM1/pub

      >Operation Black Eclipse (Current Novel)
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x90UfIKigCnqCYkWv-daEKJBHvP9ZffUAX8QA0kAlTk/
      >Kuxpir in Depth
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQClUjRLYFiUbGTOYdr1zmnNLI9hR4YFaJm5bDAo-hLnTAtavKlpRKUMl-IqenLMYDjFOfwRkjHmm98/pub

      [...]
      The Black Snow story/quest has fucking a plenty within 4 chapters. But for this novel I'm having to reign the horny back in

      >anthropomorphic proxies of actual aircraft
      Never change PrepHole.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        At least post the ones by Agitype01. His designs actually have soul compared to most aero art

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If shit is going down in an area, AWACS will be up.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >
    1. What would be the proper back and forth between tower and aircraft when there's incoming bombers and most of the base's squadron is scrambling? I'd like to be somewhat close to reality as it helps to show the MC has actually been paying attention during flight school.

    Very boring and terse. Listen to real ATC communications, and imagine those but with some extra military jargon mixed in. Also half of it is completely unintelligible to people who aren't in aviation circles.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The controllers are also likely to be really calm. If anyone is jittery it’s likely the pilots.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fyi no one wants to read 30k words of bullshit to get to the part where they fuck the planes

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If the tower is scrambling jets their main concern is getting them up in the air as fast as possible without having any of them crash into each other on the runway or in the air. You might be able to find military air traffic control audio from YouTube from some exercises. Also, there's some great desert storm audio out there.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >AI plane bonding
    There's no way they aren't fucking the planes. If they can assimilate and replicate weaponry, they can replicate a pocket pussy in the cockpit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they can replicate a pocket pussy in the cockpit
      >pussy in the cockpit

      Anon, I...

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How common are AWACS in aerial sorties? If I went by Ace Combat they're always around, but that feels off for some reason.
    They are command and control aircraft, they will literally always be up in the air assuming anything important is happening.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Here's audio/video of an F16 pilot dodging 6 SAMs in Iraq. Extremely professional but you can hear the stress, plus he's pulling extreme Gs and trying to talk with the chest compression. Aviators, as a rule, don't really fuck around on the radio and they have an extremely particular lingo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks, this is helpful. You'd think me living near a base, my family being Navy, and my uncle being a pilot I would have picked this shit up by now.

      >1.
      Nobody cares about half of it and nobody can understand the other half. Just focus on making it sound good.
      >2.
      Depends. Are you America? Every modern force on force aerial engagement starts with AWACS vectoring fighters to respond to an unknown contact. Are you literally anyone else? Either hope America lets you borrow an AWACS or you were lucky enough to have one assigned to your mission to vector you in. It will not be as good as its American counterpart, and will probably go down shortly after contact.
      >3.
      I wouldn't. Missiles are better, especially if size and weight aren't an issue. Are we abandoning missiles because your air-cores can absorb them? Then we're making airburst A2A missiles that shower them with frag and telling the aliens to suck dick. We had fighter-launched A2A nuclear missiles in the Cold War, you bet we would do break out a modernized equivalent in a heartbeat against xenos scum. Might even give them some form of guidance this time.

      AWACS ahoy for all ops, got it. Air-Cores can't absorb missile attacks but they can produce plenty of missiles to fire off. It was my solution to how to emulate the arcade shooter feel of Ace Combat where you somehow have 100+ missiles in your jet

      Do AWACS also have Air-Cores?

      Some do. Air-Cores are meant to be rare and super on demand. That's why the MC getting one royally pisses off a bunch of aces who were waiting for their turn in the queue.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No problem. You should check out the declassified F/A-18 audio/video from the UFO shit.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    now is it cheating/cucking if the maintenance crew touch your plane/wife or is like going to a doctor visit?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In the original story I wrote the MC literally melted a bitchy SU-57 ice queen into a submissive pet because he *was* the maintenance guy. So your mileage may very.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey anon, someone's been calling you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
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        Anonymous
  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >1.
    Nobody cares about half of it and nobody can understand the other half. Just focus on making it sound good.
    >2.
    Depends. Are you America? Every modern force on force aerial engagement starts with AWACS vectoring fighters to respond to an unknown contact. Are you literally anyone else? Either hope America lets you borrow an AWACS or you were lucky enough to have one assigned to your mission to vector you in. It will not be as good as its American counterpart, and will probably go down shortly after contact.
    >3.
    I wouldn't. Missiles are better, especially if size and weight aren't an issue. Are we abandoning missiles because your air-cores can absorb them? Then we're making airburst A2A missiles that shower them with frag and telling the aliens to suck dick. We had fighter-launched A2A nuclear missiles in the Cold War, you bet we would do break out a modernized equivalent in a heartbeat against xenos scum. Might even give them some form of guidance this time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >We had UNGUIDED fighter-launched A2A nuclear missiles in the Cold War
      ftfy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Short range
        So what's the deal with this thing, you send it and then hope the blastwave doesm't tear your plane apart or makes you crash, the EMP doesn't fuck your avionics and FBW, and the radiation doesn't give you cancer?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The launch profile involved immediately pulling a 70-90 degree bank and running away as fast as possible. You had twelve seconds from when the Genie left the rails to detonation.
          It’s important to note that the USAF considered the Genie safe for use over populated areas, and it only had a 300m kill radius.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The launch profile involved immediately pulling a 70-90 degree bank and running away as fast as possible. You had twelve seconds from when the Genie left the rails to detonation.
        It’s important to note that the USAF considered the Genie safe for use over populated areas, and it only had a 300m kill radius.

        How did no one think about having them launch backwards? So you have fighters tailing you, and you launch one of these at them. No banking to give them away. No RWR.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          waste of an expensive nuke
          it was only useful as a method to kill bombers which might after all be carrying a bunch of nukes themselves, or antiship missiles

          a nuke for a ship? good trade
          a nuke for a bunch of nukes? good trade
          a nuke for a fighter? hardly

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So use the interceptors superior speed to get in front of the bomber and you don't have to do the risky maneuver.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >risky maneuver
              between a simple hard turn and getting IN FRONT OF an enemy, who might be carrying AAMs themselves*, I think a hard turn is lot less risky

              >*although it turned out not to be true, at one point it was believed the Russians armed their bombers with anti-air missiles. in the event, both sides did think about it but decided not to

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do AWACS also have Air-Cores?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1.
    idk
    2.
    very common, even if theyre not constantly talking to pilots like in ace combat there pretty much has to be some sort of airspace battlefield control craft/system in place or you won't be able to coordinate or detect enemies
    3.
    lazer

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I get a feeling that both Yukikaze and Sento Yosei Shojo Tasukete! Mave-Chan was a big inspiration for this.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hope it doesn't take itself too seriously because it sounds really silly/shounen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's very much tongue in cheek in terms of seriousness. I'm shooting for just enough reality to sound plausible while the characters are basically meant to be protagonists from AC/PW with actual personality. I've also thrown in far too many jokes that all of three people will recognize the reference to.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Godspeed. Are you anticipating Dawn?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If these AI are alien tech and have intergration with the plane, why is there even still a pilot?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's erotica, anon. Don't think too hard about it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if there wasn't a pilot then there'd be no one to fuck the plane

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what kind of gun would you put on something like the Darkstar? Could it even have weapons while going Mach 10?
    Lasers are the only answer at those speeds, unless you invent some made-up ammunition that wont burn up from friction with the atmosphere.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Fa/tg/uy here attempting to write a military scifi novel.
    Join us on /tg/, brother.
    https://boards.PrepHole.org/tg/thread/86425666#top

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In such an advanced scenario, you still think the pilot needs to talk to a goon in a tower lol

    He would be talking to the AI in the cockpit who's already aware of how the network is handling each plane in the attack force and the surrounding threats, and broadcasting information as required and communicating itself with the neural network in the satellites. In fact the AI can already fly the plane, but the pilot is needed for weapons release and to decide on some things that are too sensitive to be put on machine learning

    everything is coordinated without thinking.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The AI in the cockpit is the front end AI, written to communicate with a meat puppet
      The AI handling the attack force is a processing cycle of the main AI
      Weapons AI are downloaded when they are ready to shoot, in a tiny fraction of a second, into multi-kill type weapons
      The Main AI which is the war strategist is everywhere and nowwhere, able to flow through any node.
      Itself is a module of the AI that runs the world, continously being written and rewritten with the most updated results.

      The Pilot is the kill switch, the amygdala in case a more powerful engine has deciphered the moves, to add uncertainty and OTP

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This shares nuggets of my thoughts on how one could split up an Air-Core AI and why pilots are needed. Especially the uncertainty bit. You put it much more succinctly than I would.

        >Fa/tg/uy here attempting to write a military scifi novel.
        Join us on /tg/, brother.
        https://boards.PrepHole.org/tg/thread/86425666#top

        I'll poke my head in in the morning

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    xenos aircrafts would not be able to compeat even with 80s cold war air tech
    in 100 years humans nearly perfected aerial combat crafts for our atmosphere
    best xenos would do is star wars fighters equvalents (tie fighter was 1200/km atmospheric speed) if you want it to be realistic that is
    there are limits to phisics, there is no way a force shields (even if powered by micro nuclear energy suply) that could fit into jet sized craft , could protect against modern messiles , and anything strategic bomber size + can be destroyed by hypersonic gliders
    check out terra invictab game if you want to see realistic xeno - earth war
    xenos cant threat earth due to lack of logistics (best they can do is to mine sol planets and made kamikadze messiles and strike them at earth)
    also the most efficient space fighter shape is cube (a spere is harder and more expensive to produce)

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Forget everything you know from Ace Combat, these games have some of the WORST military writing i have ever seen. Forget everything japanese as a matter of fact, and especially kojima

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Forget everything japanese

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a lovely day it is, I think I'll go on PrepHole toda-

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >If size/weight wasn't an issue, what kind of gun would you put on something like the Darkstar? Could it even have weapons while going Mach 10?

    What I would recommend doing with this would be to slap a laser on it and use it to intercept satellites, ballistic missiles, and maybe low orbit spacecraft. Any physical weapons wouldn't really have a point since you would literally just out run them after launch, and it would just add unnecessary weight slowing you down. Engines putting out speeds that can get you to Mach 10 will also definitely be strong enough to power a laser as well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'll go back and rewrite Interlude 1 tomorrow so Ishtar uses lasers instead of fake micro missiles. Thanks!

      Godspeed. Are you anticipating Dawn?

      First I'm heading of it. Sell me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Animated radio drama by FlyAwayNow and Jose Pavli

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks pretty neat, anon, definitely gonna check it out
    So in your novel, do the planes need to refuel? If so, is refueling considered lewd?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Once an Air-Core is active it self-sustains until damaged or exceeds how many projectiles/bullets/etc. It can make from its stores of material. At that point you have to feed it raw materials for it to repurpose into things ranging from hull repair to missiles to circuitry.

      So if your idea of lewds involve welding together the perfect blend of alloys into a "sandwich" that you then give her during a romantic picnic, then the answer is yes.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you want more realistic coms there's plenty of resources out there about it. For example:

    What the guy talks about in the video is good enough in terms of "realism" for a novel.
    AWACS will be around for most air forces if they can spare it, if it's NATO you'd be guaranteed to have one around. If they've been caught with their pants down AWACS might not be around, but for the most part some ground-based equivalent will be.
    No guns, or at the most something like a 20 mm or 30 mm gun. Guns are a last resort these days. A hypersonic plane would likely be armed with missiles, weapons release at those speeds is problematic due to aerodynamics but I'd just handwave it away. If you're going for more of a sci-fi feel you could do what ever other writer does and chuck a railgun on it but bear in mind this isn't really a realistic proposition. Anyone saying lasers is retarded, the shockwaves around the aircraft would diffract the laser to shit. They wouldn't work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >shockwaves around the aircraft would diffract the laser to shit. They wouldn't work.
      3.8 micron wavelength would go straight through, stop lying gay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bring out a paper which says they'd go straight through at any and all airspeeds. I'm waiting. Not to mention at the very least you'd get your laser refracted in god knows what direction dependent on your airspeed what with the sudden jumps in density.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You may want to look up Sentou Yousei Yukikaze if you're not already familiar. It's a more serious take on your premise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but are there any English translations of all the novels around?

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's 2022 OP, no one reads novels

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So is this strictly lovey-dovey romance, or is there gonna be the MC's ex (former plane MC piloted that got shot down and the MC had to eject) that comes back as the enemy ace (tags: tsundere, enemies-to-lovers, 10k)

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I entered this thread thinking I could ask if anyone knows any good documentaries about Jet Planes...

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