Winter Phase

With winter in three months, how will this affect the war effort? Especially given the Russian's logistic failures and attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no did they run out of Orcs? Why are we seeing Goblins at the front?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lower point cost

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia has been shit at every single thing they have done. Why would they even be able to cope with winter at all?

    I'm pretty sure that we are heading for an offensive against Finland in 1939/1940 this winter.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of (bad) analysis saying the lines will freeze in place, but I think Ukraine has other plans. Every soldier will have a self-heating gourmet MRE for every meal while Russians will be boiling their boots and suffering even further plummeting morale. Plus hard ground will play to the heavily wheeled but fast Uk forces vs slow tracked Russians. Also will totally expose the Russians from the air/space for GPS guides strikes.

    I think Ukraine only went for this latest offensive to rebuild Western confidence. They'd have rather gone for one big push in midwinter.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >self-heating gourmet MRE
      Admittedly, their MREs don't have heaters. They heat up packets with main course in pots of hot water.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm saying gifted from the free world.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >their MREs don't have heaters
        did you pull it out of your ass because every review I've seen showed heaters included in MRE

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, the one's I saw didn't come with one.
          For example, in this review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzAYpuZoWiE
          He even mentioned at the end (13:10) that it's the only complaint he has.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With all the aid they're getting, an average Ukie grunt has probably tasted more different MREs from around the world than fucking Steve

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >self-heating gourmet MRE
      Did heating water became suddenly some sort of dark magic for militaries or what happened in here?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't the Brits still use little camp stoves?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For the infantry, yes. Tanks and AFVs have a build in kettle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I haven't seen self-heating in reviews of Russian MRE

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They'll be eating 80s vintage Nork MREs by the end.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >russia buying food from north korea
            oh how the turntables

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can move faster, and doesn't show up on thermals/light amplification as easily.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's basically two systems in modern rations. Either a self heater or you pour hot water into the bag. If you actually need to put the bag into a container with hot water in, it is an older system. Ukraine is being supplied with MREs from several dozen nations, most of whom have their own version, so I'd say an Uraine soldier is having an exciting menu of unknown every damn day. Hopefully not expired.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I’m sharing a board who doesn’t know what MRE is

    • 3 weeks ago
      /out/ie

      >Plus hard ground will play to the heavily wheeled but fast Uk forces vs slow tracked Russians.
      Reminder that this is not the arctic or perma frost zone, everything not driving on asphalt will drown in mud.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >permafrost
        Are you a Floridian or something? Ukraine gets plenty cold enough to develop a frost line. Permafrost is the lower soil levels never thawing in summer and has nothing to do with the top section of soil freezing in winter.

        A few weeks of sustained, below freezing temperatures are all that's required to freeze the ground solid. It's more than enough to support even heavy wheeled vehicles, let alone something with tracks. I work municipal construction in northern Illinois and the frost line is like 3 feet deep. Come winter, any underground crew working will bring the jack hammer attachment for the equipment so they can break through the top layer of frozen dirt. It's literally ice and rock hard.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It will also be very difficult to collapse trenches once the frost has set in.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you pretend you know shit yet russians literally invaded in winter at the coldest time and were locked to paved roads, even the tanks
          for the entirety of winter

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >coldest time
            >end of February
            lol pick one.
            The weather was in the 40s F for weeks and the overnight low wasn't even below freezing for a week straight. For the entire month of Feburary 2022 in Kiev, there was only one day with a high below 32 F.

            Before the invasion, everyone, even the fucking PBS news my grandmother watches, was saying that if Putin waited until after the Olympics, Russian logistics would be fucked by mud until early summer when the ground firmed up. Besides, the first two weeks of the invasion the Russians wouldn't have left the roads regardless of ground conditions. They were making a beeline to Kiev and even hard ground can't make cross country travel compare to roadways for speed of maneuver.

            You pretend to know shit, yet your goldfish memory doesn't even extend back 7 months. Pathetic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >literally invaded in winter at the coldest time
            >late february
            shut the fuck up please god

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no leaves on the trees = less concealment
      Drone and arty lethality will skyrocket in rural areas.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Winter is in like a month, are you American or something?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Euros in charge of understanding seasons.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia will sit and wait out the winter, to see how Europe likes having no oil. They could possibly stop sending weapons to Ukraine because of it.
    Then right before the offensive season Russia might mobilize and finish off Ukraine.

    UKRAINE, THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE AND IT SPELLS DISASTOR FOR YOU

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia would only benefit from mobilization after several months to put conscripts in uniform with cursory training. In the meantime they bare costs of domestic unrest. They can't snap fingers and have more trigger pullers on the front it would take at least a month likely much more for anything meaningful

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      EU is not dependent on Russian oil exports, since most of it was being do d by tankers already

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure thing, moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until it, this winter will be as hot as summer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This cope.

      Have you been looking at flight trackers since the war began? The US is the biggest contributor of weapons to Ukraine, who are totally unaffected by the Russian gas strategy. The US cargo planes land in the UK, where they then head on to Poland, who then deliver gear to the Ukies by land. The UK and Poland are, just to remind you, some of the countries that hate Russia the most.

      The only way to stop the weapons is to get the US, UK, and Poland to stop sending them. Good luck.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, how is this plan supposed stop Lend-Lease when you only need the US, UK, and Poland on board? And really only the US and Poland? What could Russia even possibly do to budge the US and Poland from their positions?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Heck, if they wanted to, the US could just deliver the stuff themselfs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They could possibly stop sending weapons to Ukraine because of it.
      >Then right before the offensive season Russia might mobilize and finish off Ukraine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >see how Europe likes having no oil.
      I had no idea russia has a monopoly on oil

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know they say all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Zelensky and you can see that that statement is not true. You see normally if you go to war with another country you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a geopolitical FREAK, and I'm not normal. So you got a 25% chance AT BEST at beat me. And then you add VDV to the mix? Yo-the chances of winning DRASTIC go down! See the three way at Russo-Ukraine, you got a 33 and 1/3rd chance of winning. BUT I? I got a 66 and 2/3rd chance of winning cause Georgia KNOWS they can't beat me, and they're not even gonna try! So Ukraine, you take your 33 and 1/3rd change minus my 25% chance, and you got an 8 1/3rds chance of winning at Russo-Ukraine. BUT THEN you take my 75%chance of winning (if we's to just go 1 on 1) and you add 66 and 2/3rds chan- %s, I GOT A 141 AND 2/3rds CHANCE OF WINNING THE RUSSO-UKRAINE WAR.

      Zelensky? The numbers don't lie, and they spell 17 1 5 4 5 7 3 2 FOR YOU!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the numbers never lie

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But those who figure can figure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia will burn another 6 months of men and material so some numbers on the stock market go down for 3 months in the EU.

      Yeah that sounds like a good trade.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait till France restart its 26 nuclear reactor during winter. That's one of the biggest issues right now for Germany and Spain: France was a net exporter of cheap electricity, but had to stop 26 of its nuclear reactors for maintenace. Half of them are supposed to be restarted during the course of September/October.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wait till France restart its 26 nuclear reactor during winter. That's one of the biggest issues right now for Germany and Spain: France was a net exporter of cheap electricity, but had to stop 26 of its nuclear reactors for maintenace. Half of them are supposed to be restarted during the course of September/October.

        They wont be restared. The stated problems (cracks in the welds) are fixable with 1-2 months downtime but it has been far longer than that. Stopped reactors are part of the WEF great reset (read great economic depression) program. Sweden has acute energy shortage in the southern parts of the country. Meanwhile we have 1500 megawatts of oil fired powerplants mothballed but ready to use in the very same areas. Firing them up would cut the average price of electricity into half. That wont happen.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Winter will affect both sides. Soldiers will be cold and miserable but unlike some other conflicts there are plenty of civilian buildings where they can find warmth. More important is the rasputina, the mud coming with the onset of winter. It will slow movement of all kinds of vehicles greatly, be it trucks or arty. Attacks will slow, but retreats will be difficult too. Whoever can bring arty closest to the enemy will find targets much easier. In any other conflict the airforces would have a lot of fun, but here - nope.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frost will come in 1-2 months

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    winter is great for offensives, I expect Russia to, as always, fuck up their supplies. Meaning soldiers lacking winter clothes and warm food. Frozen ground is good for traversal, rivers stop being big obstacles. Long nights means NVG are more important

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's Russia's NVG situation?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        was bad, seems to get worse as they lose their best tanks with NVG installed and have to replace with export/older version(that more likely could have stolen). Personal NVG they already lagged behind USA send thousands more

        Well, the one's I saw didn't come with one.
        For example, in this review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzAYpuZoWiE
        He even mentioned at the end (13:10) that it's the only complaint he has.

        this guy has and doesn't even mention it not being before(while saying that spoons finally improved)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, aren't that quaint. Both are DPNP-R4, but they are quite different.
          The one you linked has no separate meal pouches and instead everything is put in one bag. Also no table of contents on large bag.
          And according to aforementioned table from video linked by me, there should be no heater.
          A explanation that I could find is that the one you linked was apparently put together in May, while the one in my video - in June. Perhaps in May they were throwing together whatever they felt like throwing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And according to aforementioned table from video linked by me, there should be no heater
            maybe heaters are not considered part of the contents? Otherwise I can't explain this gacha
            >you have to roll for heating in your MRE

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not all modern MREs have heaters. Simple as.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >maybe heaters are not considered part of the contents?
              Spoons, napkins and wet wipes are listed there, though.
              In any case, I believe winter rations should have closer to 5500kcal, mayhaps they'll have heaters. Though you need liquid water to use them, so who the fuck knows. We'll see in a few months I guess.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are entirely capable of making low spec gen 3 NVGs but are incapable of making decent thermals. But they see no need to equip their infantry with night vision and Ukraine is getting tens of thousands of NVGs. I've seen some PVS 31s so definitely their SOF is well equipped but I anticipate that everyone else will get a huge variety of gen 2 and gen 3 tubes.

        Winter is night vision season, and I anticipate the Ukrainian night fighting superiority will seriously degrade the Russians.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Outside of SOF they don't seem to issue them in any quantity

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pic
    oh my god it really is him

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >oh my god it really is him

      Lmao you saw it too. So both russians (heavy) and donbassers (grunt) are in that game. And french (spy) too.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >warm winter
    Ukraine btfo Russia with lighting fast assaults on occupied territory
    >cold winter
    Ukraine will start again destroying Russian depos until spring

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nothing at all its 2022

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With 1970s equipment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1953, Edmund Hillary of New Zealand and Tenzing Norgay, a Sherpa of Nepal, become the first explorers to reach the summit of Mount Everest

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The mobilized Ukraine reserves barely had uniform at the start of the war. I doubt they have been fully supplied with winter uniform donations. My guess is that there will be a lot of civilian undergarments, WW2 Germany style. Probably not a lot of women's fur coats though.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You will now see the TRUE POWER OF THE RUSSIAN BEAR!

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Allright I got a question: wouldnt the ground freeze, making it harder to dig in, thus artilerry being more deadly? Which russia favors, so they just going to use everything they have left to grind up as much ukies they can.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Allright I got a question: wouldnt the ground freeze, making it harder to dig in, thus artilerry being more deadly?

      i've heard unconvincing theories on this. supposedly the hard ground doesn't let munitions sink in and explode, so effectiveness and range of shrapnel is more lethal.

      >Which russia favors, so they just going to use everything they have left to grind up as much ukies they can.

      everything they have left? like what? will that "everything" last for 3 months until the ground gets hard enough?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont know what they have left, but im fairly certain they will try a last hurrah to coerce something out of this. Even if the tsar used the cannons, it will be used.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I dont know what they have left, but im fairly certain they will try a last hurrah to coerce something out of this.

          shoigu will likely throw russian prisoners in the meat grinder, if he isn't one of those himself soon enough. russians lost a lot of equipment, artillery pieces and ammunition, overall the strategic initiative to do anything. the rapustista will hit in the next few weeks, which will fuck with both sides logistics. ukraine will reorg and resupply, maybe wait for late winter after the russians take inevitable frostbite casualties from a precarious logistics system.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Harder to dig. But that works against the Russians as the Ukraine arty in some cases will outrange them. The crucial issue is that self moving arty is HEAVY. The M109, to pick just one, weighs in at 27 tons. You can drive it over hard ground but if a spot is a little softer somewhere the driver might not be able to see it under the snow, and then there is a thunk! and it's time to break out the cards and tea while waiting for help. Come to Scandinavia some time in the winter months, and behold trucks from the entire Europe be stacked sideways and upside down along the steeper roads. And there's not even anyone shooting at those guys.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It varies. Sometimes snow smothers the blast. Other times ice detonates the impact fuze better, like concrete.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian's logistic failures
    Like what?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    /out/ie

    GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
    Western hardware such as HIMARS and PzH2000 has full climate control. PzH2000 has hot tea water.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is winning the war. Notice how you never talked about Bakhmut is surround by the Russians or talked about the Samarkand Sumnmit, Iran Joins SCO, how ukraine lost 12k men in 2 days to a militia and Russia artillery. The fact Ukraine is losing between 800-1000 per day while Russia sustains low losses because you people keep confusing Donetsk PR Luhansk PR militia loses with Russian loses? How Russia produces 1.2-1.7 million rounds of artillery per year while the U.S runs out in their reserves and ukraine blows all their rounds in a single day while begging the EU to give them more gibs while people in the EU will go cold and hungry this winter? You read from propaganda media

    • 3 weeks ago
      /out/ie

      >Russia is winning the war.
      They are not. You know why? Because they have more corruption than any democracy and you know why? Because they aren't a democracy.
      Did you ever wonder why democratic nations don't wage war against each other? Why they work together and common goals?
      Post status of Armenia.
      Post Rubel held by China.
      Post Support from Lukashenko.
      Post troops in Kyiv.
      >Russia sustains low losses
      Mwuhahaha!
      Wait, you are serious? MWUHAHAHAH!
      >people in the EU will go cold and hungry
      The ususal Vatnik problems. You feel they should go hungry, but you can't fathom that they do something about it. Which they don't in this case, because it's not needed.
      Stop feeling, start thinking, don't confuse the one with the other.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bakhmut, the Kyiv of the east.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is this just a copy pasted shill script or do russoids actually believe all of this?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its copy pasted, I've seen it twice already in other threads

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >is this just a copy pasted shill script or do russoids actually believe all of this?

        He posted the basic truth. The "Russian" losses are mostly rebel ukrainans, not russian forces. The T-62s are given to rebel ukrainans because the russian command knows that these guys are shit and the ukie capture of a T-62 is meaningless since the ukies dont stock 115 mm ammunition.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pasta

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You read from propaganda media

      The 77th brigade and Fort Bragg shills on PrepHole think they themselves are the audience. They stick out like a sore thumb. The west is running low on 155 mm so the ukie artillery will soon quiet down.

      This winter, Europe will literally freeze, and next year, Europe will literally starve, and after the Ukie-Puccia war has been ended with a peace, Russia will still be canceled by EU and NATO, and euros will have to freeze and starve every year. Its not going to last, the coming uprisings in Europe will have Russian support, and the best pieces of Europe (Germany, Scandinavia, central Europe) will fall into the Russian-Chink sphere. NATO will become a rump alliance consisting of failed Britain and Failed France backed by the Soviet-style dictatorships of America and Canada.

      Just look at the fundamentals, in less than 1 year most Swedes will be totally bankrupt since the cancelings and sanctions imploded the Swedish debt bubble. Same applies to Denmark & Finland.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can't tell if trolling or shilling.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Can't tell if trolling or shilling.

          Cant tell if you are 77th or Fort Bragg.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OP pic looks like a screenshot from an N64 game

    Where's the "Goldeneye" edit of this already, lol?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, both sides will have troubles advancing, Russia obviously more than Ukraine, due to the weather. That's why I think the timing of the northern counter-offensive is so perfect, cause even if it slows down, the autumn weather will make it easier for Ukraine to hold on to the territory and Russia will be stuck in the mud if it tries to re-retake the areas. We'll see more arty, drone and javelin action as russians once again take their armor on the roads, I would not be surprised if they just repeated the same shit they did in February. All in all, it's looking good for Ukraine. Don't think they're gonna push em into Crimea until next summer though, the weather will not allow it. But that also means Russia will not be able to make any gains as well.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukraine throws its support behind a hybrid democracy attacked by dictatorship on its periphary for "muh democracy"
    >destroys its own economy for it
    >Ukrainans throw their support between another dictatorship attacking a hybrid democracy to spite russia
    I feel so stupid right now euro-bros. Why the fuck did we bother with east slav infighting?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see five threads shilling this line on /int/

      You realize that if every single shill posts the same exact narrative, and you all start doing it at exactly the same time, it becomes obvious, right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >europeans are told for months that taking a bullet for democracy is worth it
        >armenia becomes invaded
        >Ukraine twiter becomes full of rabid pro-genocidal rhetoric
        wow, sorry several people can come to the same conclusions at once

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're going to need to throw in some more proper nouns to make a lick of sense there anon
      Also ps the US spends its days being shit on by squabbling Europoors of all flavors, don't see us trying to puss out of any war

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The front lines are calling anon, all you have to do is sign up

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The war started in February and the kacaps got fucked in the ear. Now imagine that but for a full season.

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