Most Alaskans live in parts of Alaska that have a winter average temperature higher than that of the northern Midwest.
We also get gorgeous mild sunburn-free summers with long days.
But frick off, we're full.
Thats because Alaska doesnt count as a real state you smug frick. Its such a shit hole they literally have to pay people to live there. Theres a reason it has the highest addiction, suicide, and divorce rates per capita of any state. Get rekt
You don't get paid to move here, every man, woman and child get a yearly payment from which is currently under attack by greedy politicians and probably won't exist in 10 years
And it does nothing to offset the cost of living here
In what region? The effects aren't homogonous. If you're talking about north America the impact on the coastal regions is that they're more a tropical climate (drought in summer rain only in winter). This is because the trees and wetlands act as a buffer to stabilize weather systems and the mountain forests are for passing rain over the mountains.
Most of the north american buffers (forests and wetlands) are gone so now we have extreme swings in weather and, worse, we have very little groundwater retention (compared to pre 1850-1920) as the aquifers have been slowly draining as the biological processes that used to charge groundwater have been almost totally obliterated.
The ground-water also helps with temperature stabilization... and what most people don't realize is the extent of water removal from the north American craton since the 1800 has been so great that it is actually impacting the buoyancy of the American craton...
It's funny that they're blaming increased seismic activity on the addition of sensors.
Don't you get it, sweaty? Everything is because of global warming. Hot, cold, dry, wet, sun, rain, windy, calm.
Now stop eating meat or owning property and spend all your money on carbon credits to fix the weather. The billionaires need to add an additional story to their beachfront property - uh, to keep it above sea level of course.
This is why we can't have nice things. Global warming and global cooling aren't the same as what people are calling climate change. Climate change is the noticable (and documented) difference in weather patterns in the last 200 years
Due to deforestation and draining wetlands.
You can literally demonstrate climate change with the available data.
These fricktards intentionally conflate solar driven century cycles and the impacts of deforestation and removal of wetlands.
>oh no, he posted facts in my propaganda thread! >just tell him he's coping, that's what PrepHoleners do >i-imagine having to "cope" this hard... heh... got him...
Yeah, there is absolutely no way it's happening this year. I predict that they'll lose most of the snow they've made so far. I really hope this isn't the future for MN/WI but I can't help but feel panicky about it. I haven't xc skied in decades 🙁
I've been hiking my whole life and the differences are plain to see here. Anthropogenic or not the climate's absolutely warming and it's having some pretty bizarre effects. Sad to me that so many delicate alpine environments will be much worse off when I'm my parents' age (and hopefully still going out like they do).
Same.
I have also been watching them fill wetlands and push forests to the brink of collapse. The logging cartels are directly to blame for 70% of the environmental problems and the other 10% is dog-shit antiquated corporate monoculture farming and the last 20% is urban planning and building code which is draconian garbage that fricks watersheds.
>Anthropogenic or not the climate's absolutely warming
Yes, where I live we used to have multiple inches of snow on the ground from mid-November before Thanksgiving until early April. Now we don't see ANY snow until January and just get a couple inches here or there that melt away in a few days maximum. It used to consistently stay well below freezing or into the negatives for weeks on end, now it's in the 30s and 40s in January. People have adjusted to it so much that they don't even remember what it used to be like. The proverbial boiled frog situation. In the past no one would complain about the cold until it got down into single digits or negatives, but earlier this month we had 10-20 degree weather for about a week and everyone was talking about how crazy it was for the weather to be "so cold."
It's like this in central MN as well. I wonder if the buttholes will pay attention when our own forests begin to burn each year. Sadly, the best thing to happen last year was the low AQI day in NYC since it was social media gold. I'm hoping to see raised awareness as more major cities are turned into hellscapes.
Wet forests don't burn, dry ones do. Human mismanagement causes it, but a warmer and drier climate exacerbates it and drastically reduces the margin for error.
Yes, but deforestation and draining wetlands MOVES weather systems around. The droughts in the midwest are a direct result of continual logging of lowland and iner mountain rainforests as well as the draining of wetlands.
Ocean acidification is a direct result of massive populations on the coast dumping un treated yard waste into rivers and oceans.
It's amazing how effectively the media has made this topic impossible to discuss because they polluted the language.
>extremely cold for like a week >forced to hear SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING ANON from my hard right family members >goes right back up to the 40s in the middle of winter and stays there
It's all so tiresome.
>southern border states get fricking rocked with winter weather >deafening silence from warmingtards >temperature in Tulsa is .002 degrees higher than on the same day last year >endless screeching to ban all gas cars, cattle farming, single-family homes and 16th century oil pantings
Tiresome, indeed.
>changecucks keep coming up with new names to describe the same scam so they can continue fearmongering on behalf of special interest groups
Some things will never change
For all the whining about "No, it's CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" they sure do cling HARD to any time temperatures are higher than normal and never give a shit when temperatures are lower than normal.
Cold weather comfy and gets you time off work and you can beat it with a blanket and heaters.
Hot weather is pure homosexual aids and the biggest solution for it is to avoid working during the heat and stay cool but that goes against American work culture.
Also during the cold weather hobos and poors die (due to either the cold or heating their house in a stupid way) but during hot weather workers die so it doubles as ammunition for class warfare.
>and gets you time off work
wtf are you a literal schoolchild? Nobody gets time off work for nippy weather...
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but I take off the first day that it snows every winter. Not because I want to make snowmen or anything, but because people here drive like total fricking idiots and there's always a ton of wrecks before they re-learn to slow down.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nah where I live a ton of people including myself live up little hollers and such so whenever it snows we physically can't get out so we get some time off until it melts or gets cleared up enough or the bosses put pressure on us so we put the chains on or carpool in four wheel drives or what have you.
Sometimes of there's enough snow a lot of business shut down.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I got shut down for a week due to the weather in mid January, but then again I work for the government. My wagie friends had to use their vacation time.
Two weeks? More like one week. One week of tranquility that used to last around six months. Now I have to deal with noise pollution 50 weeks out of the year and I am livid about it.
I think everyone can probably agree that the moron journalists who write "Science Proves We Have THREE YEARS Left Until Everyone Burns To A Crisp!" and the moron politicians who want to make everyone live in bug pods to reduce their climate footprint are full of shit. But I think the planet is pretty obviously getting warmer over time, all data backs this up, it's not quite clear what the impact is going to be. I personally don't think it will be that much of a deal, after all human beings were alive during the end of the last ice age when continents were covered by glaciers and then they all melted and the sea level rose by a shitload lol. And we were fine then so why wouldn't we be fine now? Of course a bunch of people will die, which is unfortunate, but that was going to happen anyway (spoiler alert there's 7 billion people and we live 100 years so there's guaranteed to be at least 7 billion deaths in the next century)
>No, humans are not causing it
Are you familiar with the concept of variables? Yes, the planet has always gone through cooling and warming cycles, but since the industrial revolution, there has been an ever-growing variable introduced to the equation that was not present for most of the planet's history.
>agenda driven
What was the agenda of Exxon's scientists who realized what was happening decades ago? Their predictive models ended up being more accurate than any others produced.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
And why won't you explain WHY you think the science is faulty?
Blaming it on C02 is the scam and convinces normies to endlessl argue instead of focusing on what they can agree on.
It's because of logging and land development.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>C02 >mfw people these days are actually this moronic
But anyway, I agree corporations are raping the planet in ways that may never fully recover and that we should absolutely stop deforestation and factory farming and endless plastics and generally reduce consumption and behave more in line with nature, but I'm not convinced that any of these are a definite cause of the planet warming. What's so important about realizing this is understanding that EVEN IF the planet will warm with or without us, it's STILL GOOD to improve those things I mentioned (and more) for the betterment of humanity and all other life on Earth.
Trying to reverse the rise in the global temperature is a fool's game and a distraction that leads to ridiculous things like forests of bird-murdering windmills and strip-mining the planet to make essentially disposable electric car batteries.
WE NEED TO DRIVE LESS to reduce our use of oil, not to increase our use of batteries.
WE NEED TO STOP DEFORESTATION, not to replace forests with windmills and solar farms.
WE NEED MORE REGENERATIVE FARMING, not to kill off livestock to plant endless soil-ruining monocrop fields.
Modern climate activists don't want to save the planet, they want to destroy it differently.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>not to replace forests with windmills and solar farms
The part that annoys me the most is that a number of nations are installing green tech like windmills and solar, when it doesn't even make sense to with the conditions that their nation exhibits. So they actually end up being a net loss, in terms of environmental benefit. They predominately do it because it's the "right" and "environmentally friendly" thing to do, ignoring the fact that they're doing more damage instead. It's all optics most of the time.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Increased CO2 is only bad when you are actively suppressing forest recovery and lying about sterilizing the ocean and need a boogie man to blame for removing CO2 capture systems
Thanks for proving my point. Human driven climate change is directly related to deforestation and draining wetlands but this creates temperature extremes and chaotic trends. Ice ages and tropical ages are solar driven.
We have extreme highs and lows and drought because of human but the global climate cycle is solar driven.
3 months ago
Anonymous
CO2 isn't increasing the global temperature, deforestation and ocean pollution are bad for plenty of other reasons. Chasing the goal of reducing the average global temperature will only backfire because nothing we do will stop the natural cycle of the climate and so nothing will ever be enough and/or every step of progress in the right direction will be denigrated for not improving the global temperature and thus not being worth the effort.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You ain't wrong
My point is stop cutting down rainforests if you care about the environment and aren't a moronic boomer. There is no good reason to cut down trees that live for thousands of years and lots of bad ones.
dude, humans removed 70% of the wetlands and 99% of old growth in north America then paved over key watersheds. You don't do that without consequence. Co2 gays are moronic but the reason they push Co2 is so morons won't notice the loggers and real-estate developers raping literally everything while convincing everyone it's not because of deforestation and draining wetlands.
>Of course a bunch of people will die, which is unfortunate, but that was going to happen anyway
how about (You) die right now so i can have more oxygen and live more comfortably?
Planning on moving up to the midwest in the next few years. Last summer in Texas was the most miserable summer Ive experienced and its probably gonna get worse. I keep an eye out on the weather up in ND, WIS and MN and it seems just fine now besides random cold snaps.
Yeah the past few years have actually been rather mild in the upper Midwest. I lived in MN as a kid and still have family there, and I remember there been FEET on the ground each winter, but now they hardly get anything comparatively. I also have a few friends that live in WI and they were saying that the past few years it felt like they barely even had a winter. This year especially.
I remember when I was a kid trying to figure out how there could be 4 seasons in a single year when winter took up 6 whole months of it. In my child mind, snow meant winter so I thought winter was the first 3 AND last 3 months of the year. At least the seasons make more sense now that it doesn't snow until January.
The deeper issue is that there are basically two "stable" seasons (summer and winter) and two transition seasons (spring and fall) as air masses grow and shift. I know what you're saying trust me I grew up in a place with 5-6 months of winter near a city that regularly tops the list of snowiest cities over 100k pop. But fact is "fall" starts like summer and ends like winter, where "spring" starts like winter and ends like summer. The exact timeframe shifts a bit depending on where you are and what the year is like and each part of the year does have unique traits wrt daylight and flora/fauna but the real issue is that the characteristic spring and fall weather are only the midpoint of that transition phase no matter how long your winter is.
When you remove the weather system buffers like wetlands, forests and aquifers you end up with a tropical climate (extreme drought in summer and heavy rainfall/wet conditions in winter).
This happened to Washington and Oregon and the inland northwest.
When you remove the buffers the whole system moves to the extremes.
No, no, it's definitely just the CO2 in the air raising the planet's temperature. Please stop focusing on the very direct, long-term harm caused to the environment by deforestation and industrial-scale monocrop farming so we can continue making money from strip-mining, logging, planting endless corn fields, and generally raping every existing ecosystem for profit. Look at that windmill over there!!! IT'S CARBON NEUTRAL!!! See how much we care about the planet???
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nice strawman. CO2 isn't the only cause of warming, but it is the primary one. A huge amount of research and modeling has been done on these other factors as well, and they're included in every IPCC report. And you're bringing up this other tired strawman that "environmentalists" are some large homogeneous group and don't care about anything but global warming, when that's just not true, and you know it. It's a staple talking point of individuals arguing that nothing should be done to attempt to reduce CO2 emissions and anthropogenic warming.
I remember when I was a kid trying to figure out how there could be 4 seasons in a single year when winter took up 6 whole months of it. In my child mind, snow meant winter so I thought winter was the first 3 AND last 3 months of the year. At least the seasons make more sense now that it doesn't snow until January.
i am going to kill myself. i finally got my skis and ice fishing gear set and NTOHING
Stay the frick off the lakes you ski homosexual.
What's your issue with skiiers Mr. Ice fisherman?
He's fat and detests physical exertion
He can't answer you until he gets rescued off his runaway ice sheet.
A strong El Niño.
Not even that strong relative to the warming we've seen.
rampant fossil fuel consumption over the last 150 years
My state isn't even on the map, guess you all just don't deserve real winter.
>it was cold in Alaska
No shit?
Most Alaskans live in parts of Alaska that have a winter average temperature higher than that of the northern Midwest.
We also get gorgeous mild sunburn-free summers with long days.
But frick off, we're full.
Yeah, you just get hoards of bird sized mosquitoes during your two weeks of summer
That's a lot more of an issue in the tundra areas than the populated part.
Hawaii is revered for their harsh winters
Thats because Alaska doesnt count as a real state you smug frick. Its such a shit hole they literally have to pay people to live there. Theres a reason it has the highest addiction, suicide, and divorce rates per capita of any state. Get rekt
How do I get paid to move to Alaska?
You don't get paid to move here, every man, woman and child get a yearly payment from which is currently under attack by greedy politicians and probably won't exist in 10 years
And it does nothing to offset the cost of living here
The short answer is deforistation and the draining of wetlands.
The long answer has to do with thermodynamics, buffers, heat exchange and the polar vortex stability/instability
What was your explanation for last year?
In what region? The effects aren't homogonous. If you're talking about north America the impact on the coastal regions is that they're more a tropical climate (drought in summer rain only in winter). This is because the trees and wetlands act as a buffer to stabilize weather systems and the mountain forests are for passing rain over the mountains.
Most of the north american buffers (forests and wetlands) are gone so now we have extreme swings in weather and, worse, we have very little groundwater retention (compared to pre 1850-1920) as the aquifers have been slowly draining as the biological processes that used to charge groundwater have been almost totally obliterated.
The ground-water also helps with temperature stabilization... and what most people don't realize is the extent of water removal from the north American craton since the 1800 has been so great that it is actually impacting the buoyancy of the American craton...
It's funny that they're blaming increased seismic activity on the addition of sensors.
Don't you get it, sweaty? Everything is because of global warming. Hot, cold, dry, wet, sun, rain, windy, calm.
Now stop eating meat or owning property and spend all your money on carbon credits to fix the weather. The billionaires need to add an additional story to their beachfront property - uh, to keep it above sea level of course.
This is why we can't have nice things. Global warming and global cooling aren't the same as what people are calling climate change. Climate change is the noticable (and documented) difference in weather patterns in the last 200 years
Due to deforestation and draining wetlands.
You can literally demonstrate climate change with the available data.
These fricktards intentionally conflate solar driven century cycles and the impacts of deforestation and removal of wetlands.
Imagine having to cope this hard.
>oh no, he posted facts in my propaganda thread!
>just tell him he's coping, that's what PrepHoleners do
>i-imagine having to "cope" this hard... heh... got him...
What is an MMTS
Massive Mammaries To Suck
Maximum Minimum Temperature System. It's a fancy way of saying thermometer.
So oil and auto companies can hoard even more profits and power
Shameless.
I made multiple threads here complaining about the bitter cold. God heard my prayers, and boom, now its mild again.
>60 is red hot
You don't hate journalists enough
listing to the Q&A for the birkie race and they are being very hopeful but it's not looking great
Yeah, there is absolutely no way it's happening this year. I predict that they'll lose most of the snow they've made so far. I really hope this isn't the future for MN/WI but I can't help but feel panicky about it. I haven't xc skied in decades 🙁
>ayo wintuh dun? wow that wuz short
1 week later
>ayo y it be snowin
It isn't politically correct to tell you the reason on this forum, so I'm going to say it's by chance
I've been hiking my whole life and the differences are plain to see here. Anthropogenic or not the climate's absolutely warming and it's having some pretty bizarre effects. Sad to me that so many delicate alpine environments will be much worse off when I'm my parents' age (and hopefully still going out like they do).
Same.
I have also been watching them fill wetlands and push forests to the brink of collapse. The logging cartels are directly to blame for 70% of the environmental problems and the other 10% is dog-shit antiquated corporate monoculture farming and the last 20% is urban planning and building code which is draconian garbage that fricks watersheds.
>Anthropogenic or not the climate's absolutely warming
Yes, where I live we used to have multiple inches of snow on the ground from mid-November before Thanksgiving until early April. Now we don't see ANY snow until January and just get a couple inches here or there that melt away in a few days maximum. It used to consistently stay well below freezing or into the negatives for weeks on end, now it's in the 30s and 40s in January. People have adjusted to it so much that they don't even remember what it used to be like. The proverbial boiled frog situation. In the past no one would complain about the cold until it got down into single digits or negatives, but earlier this month we had 10-20 degree weather for about a week and everyone was talking about how crazy it was for the weather to be "so cold."
Where do you live? This sounds like southern Wisconsin to me
Northwest Ohio.
It's like this in central MN as well. I wonder if the buttholes will pay attention when our own forests begin to burn each year. Sadly, the best thing to happen last year was the low AQI day in NYC since it was social media gold. I'm hoping to see raised awareness as more major cities are turned into hellscapes.
>when our own forests begin to burn each year.
Forests burn because of human mis-management, not because the sun spontaneously sets forests on fire.
Wet forests don't burn, dry ones do. Human mismanagement causes it, but a warmer and drier climate exacerbates it and drastically reduces the margin for error.
this anon gets it
Yes, but deforestation and draining wetlands MOVES weather systems around. The droughts in the midwest are a direct result of continual logging of lowland and iner mountain rainforests as well as the draining of wetlands.
Ocean acidification is a direct result of massive populations on the coast dumping un treated yard waste into rivers and oceans.
It's amazing how effectively the media has made this topic impossible to discuss because they polluted the language.
nothing suspicious at all
They don't even report clearcut fires in WA state anymore--while still lying about logging preventing forest fires.
Unreal how many morons believe clear cutting rainforest prevents fires--unreal.
fwiw mountains are antifragile when it comes to climate deterioration and they'll stay cold even if global warming were real
It's because you touch yourself.
>extremely cold for like a week
>forced to hear SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING ANON from my hard right family members
>goes right back up to the 40s in the middle of winter and stays there
It's all so tiresome.
>southern border states get fricking rocked with winter weather
>deafening silence from warmingtards
>temperature in Tulsa is .002 degrees higher than on the same day last year
>endless screeching to ban all gas cars, cattle farming, single-family homes and 16th century oil pantings
Tiresome, indeed.
>anti-climate changegays desperately cling to the outdated global warming name
Every day is exactly the same.
>changecucks keep coming up with new names to describe the same scam so they can continue fearmongering on behalf of special interest groups
Some things will never change
For all the whining about "No, it's CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" they sure do cling HARD to any time temperatures are higher than normal and never give a shit when temperatures are lower than normal.
Cold weather comfy and gets you time off work and you can beat it with a blanket and heaters.
Hot weather is pure homosexual aids and the biggest solution for it is to avoid working during the heat and stay cool but that goes against American work culture.
Also during the cold weather hobos and poors die (due to either the cold or heating their house in a stupid way) but during hot weather workers die so it doubles as ammunition for class warfare.
>and gets you time off work
wtf are you a literal schoolchild? Nobody gets time off work for nippy weather...
NTA but I take off the first day that it snows every winter. Not because I want to make snowmen or anything, but because people here drive like total fricking idiots and there's always a ton of wrecks before they re-learn to slow down.
Nah where I live a ton of people including myself live up little hollers and such so whenever it snows we physically can't get out so we get some time off until it melts or gets cleared up enough or the bosses put pressure on us so we put the chains on or carpool in four wheel drives or what have you.
Sometimes of there's enough snow a lot of business shut down.
I got shut down for a week due to the weather in mid January, but then again I work for the government. My wagie friends had to use their vacation time.
Oh look, another fricktard who doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate.
climate == weather
try harder
Two weeks? More like one week. One week of tranquility that used to last around six months. Now I have to deal with noise pollution 50 weeks out of the year and I am livid about it.
Because it lasted seven months last year, bo bingus.
I think everyone can probably agree that the moron journalists who write "Science Proves We Have THREE YEARS Left Until Everyone Burns To A Crisp!" and the moron politicians who want to make everyone live in bug pods to reduce their climate footprint are full of shit. But I think the planet is pretty obviously getting warmer over time, all data backs this up, it's not quite clear what the impact is going to be. I personally don't think it will be that much of a deal, after all human beings were alive during the end of the last ice age when continents were covered by glaciers and then they all melted and the sea level rose by a shitload lol. And we were fine then so why wouldn't we be fine now? Of course a bunch of people will die, which is unfortunate, but that was going to happen anyway (spoiler alert there's 7 billion people and we live 100 years so there's guaranteed to be at least 7 billion deaths in the next century)
Yes, the planet is warming.
No, humans are not causing it.
Yes, we should prepare for the consequences of the planet warming.
No, we cannot stop it.
>No, humans are not causing it
Are you familiar with the concept of variables? Yes, the planet has always gone through cooling and warming cycles, but since the industrial revolution, there has been an ever-growing variable introduced to the equation that was not present for most of the planet's history.
Anthropogenic global warming is a myth based on bad science. The globe is warming with or without us and there's nothing we can do about it.
Didn't even attempt to address what I said. Very typical of people on your side
The idea that "greenhouse gasses" are warming the planet is based on faulty agenda-driven science, there's nothing more to address.
source
Climategate.
https://ia802809.us.archive.org/35/items/climategate-emails/climategate-emails.pdf
https://www.rossmckitrick.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/climategate.10yearsafter.pdf
>agenda driven
What was the agenda of Exxon's scientists who realized what was happening decades ago? Their predictive models ended up being more accurate than any others produced.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
And why won't you explain WHY you think the science is faulty?
See:
Blaming it on C02 is the scam and convinces normies to endlessl argue instead of focusing on what they can agree on.
It's because of logging and land development.
>C02
>mfw people these days are actually this moronic
But anyway, I agree corporations are raping the planet in ways that may never fully recover and that we should absolutely stop deforestation and factory farming and endless plastics and generally reduce consumption and behave more in line with nature, but I'm not convinced that any of these are a definite cause of the planet warming. What's so important about realizing this is understanding that EVEN IF the planet will warm with or without us, it's STILL GOOD to improve those things I mentioned (and more) for the betterment of humanity and all other life on Earth.
Trying to reverse the rise in the global temperature is a fool's game and a distraction that leads to ridiculous things like forests of bird-murdering windmills and strip-mining the planet to make essentially disposable electric car batteries.
WE NEED TO DRIVE LESS to reduce our use of oil, not to increase our use of batteries.
WE NEED TO STOP DEFORESTATION, not to replace forests with windmills and solar farms.
WE NEED MORE REGENERATIVE FARMING, not to kill off livestock to plant endless soil-ruining monocrop fields.
Modern climate activists don't want to save the planet, they want to destroy it differently.
>not to replace forests with windmills and solar farms
The part that annoys me the most is that a number of nations are installing green tech like windmills and solar, when it doesn't even make sense to with the conditions that their nation exhibits. So they actually end up being a net loss, in terms of environmental benefit. They predominately do it because it's the "right" and "environmentally friendly" thing to do, ignoring the fact that they're doing more damage instead. It's all optics most of the time.
Increased CO2 is only bad when you are actively suppressing forest recovery and lying about sterilizing the ocean and need a boogie man to blame for removing CO2 capture systems
Thanks for proving my point. Human driven climate change is directly related to deforestation and draining wetlands but this creates temperature extremes and chaotic trends. Ice ages and tropical ages are solar driven.
We have extreme highs and lows and drought because of human but the global climate cycle is solar driven.
CO2 isn't increasing the global temperature, deforestation and ocean pollution are bad for plenty of other reasons. Chasing the goal of reducing the average global temperature will only backfire because nothing we do will stop the natural cycle of the climate and so nothing will ever be enough and/or every step of progress in the right direction will be denigrated for not improving the global temperature and thus not being worth the effort.
You ain't wrong
My point is stop cutting down rainforests if you care about the environment and aren't a moronic boomer. There is no good reason to cut down trees that live for thousands of years and lots of bad ones.
dude, humans removed 70% of the wetlands and 99% of old growth in north America then paved over key watersheds. You don't do that without consequence. Co2 gays are moronic but the reason they push Co2 is so morons won't notice the loggers and real-estate developers raping literally everything while convincing everyone it's not because of deforestation and draining wetlands.
Why can't both things be causing the problem?
>Of course a bunch of people will die, which is unfortunate, but that was going to happen anyway
how about (You) die right now so i can have more oxygen and live more comfortably?
Planning on moving up to the midwest in the next few years. Last summer in Texas was the most miserable summer Ive experienced and its probably gonna get worse. I keep an eye out on the weather up in ND, WIS and MN and it seems just fine now besides random cold snaps.
Yeah the past few years have actually been rather mild in the upper Midwest. I lived in MN as a kid and still have family there, and I remember there been FEET on the ground each winter, but now they hardly get anything comparatively. I also have a few friends that live in WI and they were saying that the past few years it felt like they barely even had a winter. This year especially.
I remember when I was a kid trying to figure out how there could be 4 seasons in a single year when winter took up 6 whole months of it. In my child mind, snow meant winter so I thought winter was the first 3 AND last 3 months of the year. At least the seasons make more sense now that it doesn't snow until January.
The deeper issue is that there are basically two "stable" seasons (summer and winter) and two transition seasons (spring and fall) as air masses grow and shift. I know what you're saying trust me I grew up in a place with 5-6 months of winter near a city that regularly tops the list of snowiest cities over 100k pop. But fact is "fall" starts like summer and ends like winter, where "spring" starts like winter and ends like summer. The exact timeframe shifts a bit depending on where you are and what the year is like and each part of the year does have unique traits wrt daylight and flora/fauna but the real issue is that the characteristic spring and fall weather are only the midpoint of that transition phase no matter how long your winter is.
When you remove the weather system buffers like wetlands, forests and aquifers you end up with a tropical climate (extreme drought in summer and heavy rainfall/wet conditions in winter).
This happened to Washington and Oregon and the inland northwest.
When you remove the buffers the whole system moves to the extremes.
No, no, it's definitely just the CO2 in the air raising the planet's temperature. Please stop focusing on the very direct, long-term harm caused to the environment by deforestation and industrial-scale monocrop farming so we can continue making money from strip-mining, logging, planting endless corn fields, and generally raping every existing ecosystem for profit. Look at that windmill over there!!! IT'S CARBON NEUTRAL!!! See how much we care about the planet???
Nice strawman. CO2 isn't the only cause of warming, but it is the primary one. A huge amount of research and modeling has been done on these other factors as well, and they're included in every IPCC report. And you're bringing up this other tired strawman that "environmentalists" are some large homogeneous group and don't care about anything but global warming, when that's just not true, and you know it. It's a staple talking point of individuals arguing that nothing should be done to attempt to reduce CO2 emissions and anthropogenic warming.
It's cyclic.
"Days of snow" means jack shit without quantifying the amount of snow on those days.
Because you drive your car too much, eat beef, and aren't paying enough taxes.