>over priced meme gun in a meme caliber, that you need a special scope that won't be offered on the civilian market for years to full take advantage of, that needs a large number of buddies with similar equipment to fully take advantage of
no
>he thinks his LPVO is just as good as an optic that delivers a precise aiming point out to 1000 yards with the push of a button
no, you literally dont
there has never been a cartridge in history specifically designed after an optic or any class of optics. the scope was simply developed alongside it
you can watch garand thumb taking “full advantage” of it using an MR762 in 308
The NGSW program was developed around the combined cartridge and the optic to take advantage of it in a service rifle role you moron. Without the optic, you're stuck either building the rifle specifically into a long range shooting role which negates its purpose and where there are better guns you could go with, or limiting yourself to shooting it in ways that could be done with various 7.62 NATO battle rifles from decades past if you want to shoot it like a service rifle. With a different caliber in the MCX Spear, you're buying a shitty gimped gun.
>you need a special scope that won't be offered on the civilian market for years to full take advantage of
All you need is a good scope and a good range finder to take full advantage of ANY cartridge, homosexual.
>b-but putting down the gun and using a laser rangefinder is just as good
1 year ago
Anonymous
the optic isnt welded onto the rifle you fricking idiot. if you want to take advantage of the cartridge, the optic isnt necessary. if you want to take advantage of the scope, the cartridge isnt necessary. not a hard concept to understand.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if you want to take advantage of the cartridge, the optic isnt necessary.
Again, the NGSW program was developed around the combined cartridge and the optic to take advantage of it in a service rifle role you moron. Without the optic, you're stuck either building the rifle specifically into a long range shooting role which negates its purpose and where there are better guns you could go with, or limiting yourself to shooting it in ways that could be done with various 7.62 NATO battle rifles from decades past if you want to shoot it like a service rifle. With a different caliber in the MCX Spear, you're buying a shitty gimped gun.
>if you want to take advantage of the scope, the cartridge isnt necessary.
I never said it was you fricktard. I said having buddies with similar equipment was necessary if you wanted to take full advantage of the scope, considering a large part of its features are based around making spotting like in video games possible in real life, and you're paying for a feature set you can't even use if you buy one and don't have buddies with one.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Good lord you're moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
what are you talking about you dementia ridden moron
the xm157 was developed around its own requirements. might be hard for you to believe, but you can actually unscrew and put it on any other rifle with a picatinny rail. again, heres a video of the optic being taken "full advantage" of with an entirely different rifle chambered in an entirely different caliber
the cartridge itself doesnt magically lose its ballistic performance because you arent using one exact optic. you can still take "full advantage" of any cartridge with any quality optic and mount if you know what youre doing >having buddies with similar equipment was necessary if you wanted to take full advantage of the scope
are you criticizing the scope or the rifle? make up your mind moron
here comes the part where i no longer reply because in the real world, people dont acknowledge the moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
Frick off moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
How dense can you be you braindead moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Let me guess, you still believe the memes that the NGSW program was totally designed around defeating rifle plates at longer distances without using tungsten.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you just moronic? Or is this another level of stupidity beyond moronation?
no, you literally dont
there has never been a cartridge in history specifically designed after an optic or any class of optics. the scope was simply developed alongside it
you can watch garand thumb taking “full advantage” of it using an MR762 in 308
>he thinks his LPVO is just as good as an optic that delivers a precise aiming point out to 1000 yards with the push of a button
[...]
The NGSW program was developed around the combined cartridge and the optic to take advantage of it in a service rifle role you moron. Without the optic, you're stuck either building the rifle specifically into a long range shooting role which negates its purpose and where there are better guns you could go with, or limiting yourself to shooting it in ways that could be done with various 7.62 NATO battle rifles from decades past if you want to shoot it like a service rifle. With a different caliber in the MCX Spear, you're buying a shitty gimped gun.
[...] >b-but putting down the gun and using a laser rangefinder is just as good
>if you want to take advantage of the cartridge, the optic isnt necessary.
Again, the NGSW program was developed around the combined cartridge and the optic to take advantage of it in a service rifle role you moron. Without the optic, you're stuck either building the rifle specifically into a long range shooting role which negates its purpose and where there are better guns you could go with, or limiting yourself to shooting it in ways that could be done with various 7.62 NATO battle rifles from decades past if you want to shoot it like a service rifle. With a different caliber in the MCX Spear, you're buying a shitty gimped gun.
>if you want to take advantage of the scope, the cartridge isnt necessary.
I never said it was you fricktard. I said having buddies with similar equipment was necessary if you wanted to take full advantage of the scope, considering a large part of its features are based around making spotting like in video games possible in real life, and you're paying for a feature set you can't even use if you buy one and don't have buddies with one.
A.) The gun comes in .308 and 6.5 too, you tremendous gay.
B.) Not having an aimbot scope doesn't render the projectile useless, stupid Black person.
C.) You're never going to be shooting at sand monkeys at 800yds anyway. The most you'll ever do with it is hit paper at 300yds, and that's assuming you actually shoot. have a nice day.
Nobody should buy Sig ever after that P320 debacle. Especially at these prices.
I won't deny the P320 is poorly designed and shouldn't be bought, but do you hold the same opinion for the other manufacturers who have fumbled their pistols and waited 10 years to fix it? The Glock 22 Gen 2 exploding?
>you need a special scope that won't be offered on the civilian market for years to full take advantage of
All you need is a good scope and a good range finder to take full advantage of ANY cartridge, homosexual.
no, because they are constantly abandoning product support. great if you don't have to pay for it like zog or a glowie, but i'm not buying a rifle only for parts to disappear in 5 years after 3 more generations have been released.
I would like to get one. I want one to shoot suppressed because it has like no gas compared to an AR-15. Other than that I don't really need to get one. It's not worth it at that price. BCM, Aero, and Palmetto State need to invent their own take on the AR-18 influenced designs that we see on so many European gun makers from SIG to B&T to CZ, H&K, and FN. Without standardization in the US market, these types of guns will remain expensive and out of reach for most people.
Ammo stops with proprietary with an uncertain future once it gets adopted by a major military. Now unless the army realizes that moving back to a battle rifle weight class is a blunder, 6.8 will be the meta for the next several decades. But given that this is the first main adoption after countless programs and trials over the years, it is doubtful they will backpedal.
6.8x51 is in every way an improvement over the 308. Lighter, higher BC, better form factor, faster, more energy. Hybrid case ammo in general is a step forward from conventional brass case ammo.
Eh...there is no free lunch here: >reduced barrel life >more material required in bolt, chamber, and trunnion >higher recoil >effectively double the amount of parts in your cartridge
You can make the same arguments against 5.56, in favor of a larger cartridge with wider case head and longer length, but running at lower pressure and producing the same velocity and energy as 5.56. The points you brought up are effectively engineering challenges that have been solved. sig would not have put forth their hybrid case and the army would not have adopted it if having double the parts in it was a problem.
The “more material in the action” is a non issue. The spears locking lugs are like 50% wider, and AFAIK they use the same size barrel extension as an AR10. I might be wrong, and it might be wider, but if it is, that’s like a whole ounce added to the weapon. And in return it gets like 25% more energy.
Barrel life and recoil are fair points. I imagine the barrel life issue can be stomached in favor of higher energy densities (we accept in-field barrel changes to be an acceptable property of machineguns) and again, you can make the same argument about 60kpsi vs 40kpsi barrel life, or improved metallurgy can bring up the barrel life to be on par with normal pressure cartridges. We’ll see.
No I want that new FN 6.5xwtf shit.
You mean moron 6.5 grendle? Why, they wikk never realease it to the civi market anyways
Will they release one in 308?
.308
6.5meme
6.8Fury
13" and 16" versions. 13" is 9lbs, b***h is THICCC
>spending the money of two SR-15s to larp as nu-ZOG
enjoy your PSA tier QC rifle in an obsolete manlet caliber
>over priced meme gun in a meme caliber, that you need a special scope that won't be offered on the civilian market for years to full take advantage of, that needs a large number of buddies with similar equipment to fully take advantage of
no
>meme caliber
itll be available in 308 & 6.5
>you need a special scope
no you dont
>>you need a special scope
To take full advantage of the .277 Furry like the gun was designed to shoot you do.
(moronic)
So what optic choice do you feel is totally just as good.
A normal lpvo
>he thinks his LPVO is just as good as an optic that delivers a precise aiming point out to 1000 yards with the push of a button
The NGSW program was developed around the combined cartridge and the optic to take advantage of it in a service rifle role you moron. Without the optic, you're stuck either building the rifle specifically into a long range shooting role which negates its purpose and where there are better guns you could go with, or limiting yourself to shooting it in ways that could be done with various 7.62 NATO battle rifles from decades past if you want to shoot it like a service rifle. With a different caliber in the MCX Spear, you're buying a shitty gimped gun.
>b-but putting down the gun and using a laser rangefinder is just as good
the optic isnt welded onto the rifle you fricking idiot. if you want to take advantage of the cartridge, the optic isnt necessary. if you want to take advantage of the scope, the cartridge isnt necessary. not a hard concept to understand.
>if you want to take advantage of the cartridge, the optic isnt necessary.
Again, the NGSW program was developed around the combined cartridge and the optic to take advantage of it in a service rifle role you moron. Without the optic, you're stuck either building the rifle specifically into a long range shooting role which negates its purpose and where there are better guns you could go with, or limiting yourself to shooting it in ways that could be done with various 7.62 NATO battle rifles from decades past if you want to shoot it like a service rifle. With a different caliber in the MCX Spear, you're buying a shitty gimped gun.
>if you want to take advantage of the scope, the cartridge isnt necessary.
I never said it was you fricktard. I said having buddies with similar equipment was necessary if you wanted to take full advantage of the scope, considering a large part of its features are based around making spotting like in video games possible in real life, and you're paying for a feature set you can't even use if you buy one and don't have buddies with one.
Good lord you're moronic
what are you talking about you dementia ridden moron
the xm157 was developed around its own requirements. might be hard for you to believe, but you can actually unscrew and put it on any other rifle with a picatinny rail. again, heres a video of the optic being taken "full advantage" of with an entirely different rifle chambered in an entirely different caliber
the cartridge itself doesnt magically lose its ballistic performance because you arent using one exact optic. you can still take "full advantage" of any cartridge with any quality optic and mount if you know what youre doing
>having buddies with similar equipment was necessary if you wanted to take full advantage of the scope
are you criticizing the scope or the rifle? make up your mind moron
here comes the part where i no longer reply because in the real world, people dont acknowledge the moronic
Frick off moron.
How dense can you be you braindead moron.
Let me guess, you still believe the memes that the NGSW program was totally designed around defeating rifle plates at longer distances without using tungsten.
Are you just moronic? Or is this another level of stupidity beyond moronation?
no, you literally dont
there has never been a cartridge in history specifically designed after an optic or any class of optics. the scope was simply developed alongside it
you can watch garand thumb taking “full advantage” of it using an MR762 in 308
A.) The gun comes in .308 and 6.5 too, you tremendous gay.
B.) Not having an aimbot scope doesn't render the projectile useless, stupid Black person.
C.) You're never going to be shooting at sand monkeys at 800yds anyway. The most you'll ever do with it is hit paper at 300yds, and that's assuming you actually shoot. have a nice day.
I won't deny the P320 is poorly designed and shouldn't be bought, but do you hold the same opinion for the other manufacturers who have fumbled their pistols and waited 10 years to fix it? The Glock 22 Gen 2 exploding?
>ugly ass rifle with a meme cartridge for justification of its existence
>itll be available in 308 & 6.5
>ugly
Get your eyes checked. It's the best looking rifle out of the NGSW competition
>you need a special scope that won't be offered on the civilian market for years to full take advantage of
All you need is a good scope and a good range finder to take full advantage of ANY cartridge, homosexual.
>pay to be a sigger beta tester
the U.S. military already “beta tested” it moron
I’ll wait until the Turkish version comes out and buy it for $700.
Suck it, Siggers
moron
Did it with my 1911. Imagine paying triple or quadruple the price for something marginally better at best, just because of its brand name.
>marginally better
>*laughs in broken m4 clones*
You should actually kys yourself for giving these kinds of companies your money.
no, because they are constantly abandoning product support. great if you don't have to pay for it like zog or a glowie, but i'm not buying a rifle only for parts to disappear in 5 years after 3 more generations have been released.
>bought one of their sig55x rifles
>no longer made
Iktf
I would like to get one. I want one to shoot suppressed because it has like no gas compared to an AR-15. Other than that I don't really need to get one. It's not worth it at that price. BCM, Aero, and Palmetto State need to invent their own take on the AR-18 influenced designs that we see on so many European gun makers from SIG to B&T to CZ, H&K, and FN. Without standardization in the US market, these types of guns will remain expensive and out of reach for most people.
Checked but no. I can't bring myself to spend 3k on a p08 and I actually want one of those.
>Verification not required.
Is the $4200 price tag confirmed?
yeah, the rep said so in the video
keep in mind the SCAR 17S has a similar MSRP of $4239 but street price is around $3600-$3900. should expect the same for the spear as well with time
Why's it gotta be so fricking ugly
Wouldn't buy if I had the money, I hate proprietary ammo.
Ammo stops with proprietary with an uncertain future once it gets adopted by a major military. Now unless the army realizes that moving back to a battle rifle weight class is a blunder, 6.8 will be the meta for the next several decades. But given that this is the first main adoption after countless programs and trials over the years, it is doubtful they will backpedal.
Still why not just use 308.?
6.8x51 is in every way an improvement over the 308. Lighter, higher BC, better form factor, faster, more energy. Hybrid case ammo in general is a step forward from conventional brass case ammo.
Eh...there is no free lunch here:
>reduced barrel life
>more material required in bolt, chamber, and trunnion
>higher recoil
>effectively double the amount of parts in your cartridge
You can make the same arguments against 5.56, in favor of a larger cartridge with wider case head and longer length, but running at lower pressure and producing the same velocity and energy as 5.56. The points you brought up are effectively engineering challenges that have been solved. sig would not have put forth their hybrid case and the army would not have adopted it if having double the parts in it was a problem.
The “more material in the action” is a non issue. The spears locking lugs are like 50% wider, and AFAIK they use the same size barrel extension as an AR10. I might be wrong, and it might be wider, but if it is, that’s like a whole ounce added to the weapon. And in return it gets like 25% more energy.
Barrel life and recoil are fair points. I imagine the barrel life issue can be stomached in favor of higher energy densities (we accept in-field barrel changes to be an acceptable property of machineguns) and again, you can make the same argument about 60kpsi vs 40kpsi barrel life, or improved metallurgy can bring up the barrel life to be on par with normal pressure cartridges. We’ll see.
>$4200 for a gun made from Indian parts
Need a bingo card for stupidity whenever a sig thread comes up
>4200$
>expensive
Why are americans so poor?
Take a pitty (You) Black person
Outsourced manufacturing coupled with debt based fiat and usury?
Blame your boomers
I’d rather buy the psa stg 44 as a meme over buying that shit
Nobody should buy Sig ever after that P320 debacle. Especially at these prices.
It's a Sig world. You're just living in it
Surprised it actually got brought up after someone else brought up Indian parts.
just wait two decades and buy a surplus one