Are you sure about that? Yes there will be different warheads but the entire system weighs like 7 kg, both NLAW and panzerfaust 3 weight at least 12 kg.
Seems like a massive challenge to make something tank destroying with those weight constraints.
Currently it's only been ordered with warheads against non-armored or lightly-armored vehicles, but there are other warheads available against airial targets and main battle tanks.
The german state doesnt develop weapons
It kinda does, via the BAAINbw in cooperation with the arms manufacturers.
There are two reason for that.
The first one is israel-specific and well known.
The second is that shittalking works better on some states than others. Germany is buckbroken and desperate to accomodate everyone. Israel doesn't give a frick. Same reason btw. why china gets away with literally genociding muslims.
>P-please don't bully my country on the Internet!
Why are Germans so sensitive lol
1 year ago
Anonymous
why are you so quick to defend Israel? natural inclination of the Anglo I guess.
https://i.imgur.com/EhiohNp.jpg
Sad. Krauts basically invented the RPG launcher.
At least they're still producing IFV and tanks.
ATGMs aren't so high-tech that it couldn't be produced if it was worth it
that said I would prefer if we bought Akeron/MMP from France instead of Spike from Israel
but I guess the local production of Spike was a better deal
1 year ago
Anonymous
What part of anything I said had to do with Israel? Why are you pretending your not a whiny little b***h that gets upset at online bullying. Your a victim.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not him but you seem obsessed and butthurt, calm down.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Another upset german crying
I talked about Israel and you started seething at me.
Nah I just called you out for crying then you sperged about da joos. You are a cry baby like the guy above sorry your victims.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>criticize unequal news coverage of two countries >ur crying xDDD
take your meds obsessed schizo
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Bully Germany >German Cries >N-nno u
lol
lmao
Victim
1 year ago
Anonymous
more like >bully israel >instantly attacks germany >getts butthurt when called out
1 year ago
Anonymous
Damn, this israelite is getting upset.
Notice how it lashes out whenever you name it?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I talked about Israel and you started seething at me.
Because everyone knows Israel is doing the tiptoe shit since they're filled with """"""Russian israelites"""""" post collapse who were fleeing economic implosion but are still vatniks abroad so they need to pander to those shitheads.
That and this shit because Krauts are b***hy, whiny duplicitous little shits that were guzzling Russia's gas like a wienermonger all while spouting off about how they're the real goodboys of the world while claiming to be the victims of American imperialism.
Because everyone knows Israel is doing the tiptoe shit since they're filled with """"""Russian israelites"""""" post collapse who were fleeing economic implosion but are still vatniks abroad so they need to pander to those shitheads.
That and this shit because Krauts are b***hy, whiny duplicitous little shits that were guzzling Russia's gas like a wienermonger all while spouting off about how they're the real goodboys of the world while claiming to be the victims of American imperialism.
Fitting catchpa: Y8S0Y
Don't forget how big of a cuck the current chancellor is and how much he tends to drag his feet on deliveries, especially early on when he was being cuck buddies with Macron hoping that the Russians would win and everything would pass over into the "multipolar world." >Scholz joined the SPD in 1975 as a student, where he got involved with the Jusos, the youth organization of the SPD. From 1982 to 1988, he was Deputy Federal Juso Chairman, and from 1987 to 1989 also Vice President of the International Union of Socialist Youth. He supported the Freudenberger Kreis, the Marxist wing of the Juso university groups, promoting "overcoming the capitalist economy" in articles.[9] In it, Scholz criticized the "aggressive-imperialist NATO", the Federal Republic as the "European stronghold of big business" and the social-liberal coalition, which puts the "bare maintenance of power above any form of substantive dispute".[10]
Funny enough I'll give Macron more points because he's French and we know how the French tick. That and whatever "possible" good cop bad cop routine he's pulling.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/12/04/russia-needs-security-guarantees-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-says-macron
Back to German cuckposting: >Meanwhile, Wolfgang Hellmich, the SPD’s defense policy spokesman, currently rules out German delivery of Leopard 2 tanks. “These are attack tanks. What Ukraine needs are tanks for defense like the Marder.” >Defense tanks >Attack tanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
He is a lefty moron and he is spouting moronic semantics, and everyone knows he is doing it.
They're also running a full blown media campaign talking about how 'most Germans' see the deliverys of IFVs 'with skepticism'.
Pure bulshit, we need to send IFVs and MBTs immediately.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Haven’t people been calling the out for it constantly? With even people like Lindsey Graham starting to have a problem with it? Honestly, it seems pretty moronic of them. Russia is deepening ties with Israel’s enemies and all it gets them if further alienation from Europe. It reminds of every time the us tried to “reach out” to people on the other side of the table only to get burned again and again.
frick ukraine, goddamn imperialist shills shitting up /k/
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hans from Dresden oblast. Yes, I can confirm that I am demoralized and my family is freezing
1 year ago
Anonymous
>demoralized
This is one of the biggest self-owns glowBlack folk use. >did our incompetence and contempt for the plebs destroy their trust in us? >no, it's the vatBlack folk who are responsible for this
1 year ago
Anonymous
Fritz from Berlin Oblast here. Thank you once again for showing western incompetence. President Putin should nuke Berlin.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Nuke Berlin >German GDP/cap rises
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Germans really are an infuriating people. Nice culture, fun language, some cool guns and shit, but frick if Wilson wasn't right about them.
Haven’t people been calling the out for it constantly? With even people like Lindsey Graham starting to have a problem with it? Honestly, it seems pretty moronic of them. Russia is deepening ties with Israel’s enemies and all it gets them if further alienation from Europe. It reminds of every time the us tried to “reach out” to people on the other side of the table only to get burned again and again.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senator-lindsey-graham-blasts-israels-new-government-vowing-stay-quiet-ukraine-war
Looks like Grahamesty did b***h about it.
They went all in on the tank build and didn't do the missile research tech tree, almost all their missile weapons are bought from allies. The Pzf3 is about as high tech as they get.
Saw videos from around April or so of some braindead moron vatniks in at least three T-72s charging a treeline filled with Ukies and they demolished the whole group with frontal Panzerfaust 3 hits. Those things are apparently pretty good.
Most tanks don't like being hit by that, especially with the tandem variant against ERA. It is very much comparable to a full sized HEAT round tanks shoot.
Yeah it's called the "Rafael Mini Spike", the hexigon shaped AA version doesn't actually exist it's exclusively rectangular. Plust that's just the man portable version, there is a bigger one that's tripod mounted just callef the "Spike" but it's cylindrical.
No, it gets really fricking annoying when I try to trade uniforms with foreign militaries. Oh, you’re from Denmark, Netherlands, UK? Sure, let’s trade! Oh, it’s all multicam shit with your gay national flag on the shoulder? Yeah, no, I’m just going over here for a second… to get mine…
Got a Milan launcher for every Marder and more in the infantry. A Spike LR launcher in every Puma and more for the infantry. Got Panzerfausts all over, MATADOR/LWMs in storage. Got HOTs and TOWs on various plattforms still around. What more do you want?
>LWM 1800+ >LWM
I didn't know that they actually bought some, thought it was still an MBDA inhouse project
it's fascinating that we've come to the stage where a shoulder-fired missile is actually guided and has 2km of range, what a vast difference to the M72 LAW or RPG-7. But what's the penetration like for those things? aren't they rated for soft targets only?
>aren't they rated for soft targets only?
"Lightly armored" is what they claim, and there are both anti-armor and dual-purpose warheads. I'm going to guess that it works against most APCs and such, not against tanks, certainly not frontally. The main intention was to defeat infantry in buildings and similar cover, not modern armored vehicles.
They have SPIKE for that as the Israel shill has shown ITT.
Did you see the huge holes PF-3 made in Russian armor in Ukraine? Maybe someone can post the video. It's fricking insane.
IMO every larger country should have a programme for permanent continuous development of small missiles. There's such a variety of options, and it's so hard to tell which will be best in the future, especially once enemies start to counter them. Being flexible and having the means to quickly adjust will be very useful. There should also be production lines set up for them (preferably several distributed ones, all of which can produce any small missile if need be.)
Krautland does not produce anything new. Just more of the same but updated. All of its companies are from the old era of the german reich. The country still lives off their inertia.
aren't they producing spike under the license
Yup. No need to invent everything yourself.
this
isn't that for soft or lightly armored targets? Not against tanks
There will be different warheads available. One of them is against tanks.
Are you sure about that? Yes there will be different warheads but the entire system weighs like 7 kg, both NLAW and panzerfaust 3 weight at least 12 kg.
Seems like a massive challenge to make something tank destroying with those weight constraints.
Currently it's only been ordered with warheads against non-armored or lightly-armored vehicles, but there are other warheads available against airial targets and main battle tanks.
It kinda does, via the BAAINbw in cooperation with the arms manufacturers.
Spike deliveries to ukraine are being blocked by israel, so it's not without drawbacks.
funny how nobody is calling out Israel for that but Germany which already delivered hundreds of millions worth of equipment is constantly shittalked
There are two reason for that.
The first one is israel-specific and well known.
The second is that shittalking works better on some states than others. Germany is buckbroken and desperate to accomodate everyone. Israel doesn't give a frick. Same reason btw. why china gets away with literally genociding muslims.
You're simply not allowed to criticize israelites.
Don't cry mate
hi Shlomo
>P-please don't bully my country on the Internet!
Why are Germans so sensitive lol
why are you so quick to defend Israel? natural inclination of the Anglo I guess.
ATGMs aren't so high-tech that it couldn't be produced if it was worth it
that said I would prefer if we bought Akeron/MMP from France instead of Spike from Israel
but I guess the local production of Spike was a better deal
What part of anything I said had to do with Israel? Why are you pretending your not a whiny little b***h that gets upset at online bullying. Your a victim.
Not him but you seem obsessed and butthurt, calm down.
Another upset german crying
Nah I just called you out for crying then you sperged about da joos. You are a cry baby like the guy above sorry your victims.
>criticize unequal news coverage of two countries
>ur crying xDDD
take your meds obsessed schizo
>Bully Germany
>German Cries
>N-nno u
lol
lmao
Victim
more like
>bully israel
>instantly attacks germany
>getts butthurt when called out
Damn, this israelite is getting upset.
Notice how it lashes out whenever you name it?
I talked about Israel and you started seething at me.
Because everyone knows Israel is doing the tiptoe shit since they're filled with """"""Russian israelites"""""" post collapse who were fleeing economic implosion but are still vatniks abroad so they need to pander to those shitheads.
That and this shit because Krauts are b***hy, whiny duplicitous little shits that were guzzling Russia's gas like a wienermonger all while spouting off about how they're the real goodboys of the world while claiming to be the victims of American imperialism.
Fitting catchpa: Y8S0Y
Don't forget how big of a cuck the current chancellor is and how much he tends to drag his feet on deliveries, especially early on when he was being cuck buddies with Macron hoping that the Russians would win and everything would pass over into the "multipolar world."
>Scholz joined the SPD in 1975 as a student, where he got involved with the Jusos, the youth organization of the SPD. From 1982 to 1988, he was Deputy Federal Juso Chairman, and from 1987 to 1989 also Vice President of the International Union of Socialist Youth. He supported the Freudenberger Kreis, the Marxist wing of the Juso university groups, promoting "overcoming the capitalist economy" in articles.[9] In it, Scholz criticized the "aggressive-imperialist NATO", the Federal Republic as the "European stronghold of big business" and the social-liberal coalition, which puts the "bare maintenance of power above any form of substantive dispute".[10]
>cuck buddies with Macron
Funny enough I'll give Macron more points because he's French and we know how the French tick. That and whatever "possible" good cop bad cop routine he's pulling.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/12/04/russia-needs-security-guarantees-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-says-macron
Back to German cuckposting:
>Meanwhile, Wolfgang Hellmich, the SPD’s defense policy spokesman, currently rules out German delivery of Leopard 2 tanks. “These are attack tanks. What Ukraine needs are tanks for defense like the Marder.”
>Defense tanks
>Attack tanks
He is a lefty moron and he is spouting moronic semantics, and everyone knows he is doing it.
They're also running a full blown media campaign talking about how 'most Germans' see the deliverys of IFVs 'with skepticism'.
Pure bulshit, we need to send IFVs and MBTs immediately.
frick ukraine, goddamn imperialist shills shitting up /k/
Hans from Dresden oblast. Yes, I can confirm that I am demoralized and my family is freezing
>demoralized
This is one of the biggest self-owns glowBlack folk use.
>did our incompetence and contempt for the plebs destroy their trust in us?
>no, it's the vatBlack folk who are responsible for this
Fritz from Berlin Oblast here. Thank you once again for showing western incompetence. President Putin should nuke Berlin.
>Nuke Berlin
>German GDP/cap rises
The Germans really are an infuriating people. Nice culture, fun language, some cool guns and shit, but frick if Wilson wasn't right about them.
Bolton looks downright fricking scared in that pic.
Haven’t people been calling the out for it constantly? With even people like Lindsey Graham starting to have a problem with it? Honestly, it seems pretty moronic of them. Russia is deepening ties with Israel’s enemies and all it gets them if further alienation from Europe. It reminds of every time the us tried to “reach out” to people on the other side of the table only to get burned again and again.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senator-lindsey-graham-blasts-israels-new-government-vowing-stay-quiet-ukraine-war
Looks like Grahamesty did b***h about it.
They went all in on the tank build and didn't do the missile research tech tree, almost all their missile weapons are bought from allies. The Pzf3 is about as high tech as they get.
theyre buying israeli missiles, even making some for other european countries
Saw videos from around April or so of some braindead moron vatniks in at least three T-72s charging a treeline filled with Ukies and they demolished the whole group with frontal Panzerfaust 3 hits. Those things are apparently pretty good.
Panzerfaust penetration is insane.
Because they don't really need one between Panzerfaust 3 and Milan/Spike-LR.
It's basically the krauts deciding they want an RPG-7, only with a warhead big enough to frick up a T-90 through the front.
Most tanks don't like being hit by that, especially with the tandem variant against ERA. It is very much comparable to a full sized HEAT round tanks shoot.
I like that he cares so much about the optic he doesn't take of the lens cap for the photo shoot
Wait a second, is this what those fricking Czechs used for ARMA III's launchers?
Yeah it's called the "Rafael Mini Spike", the hexigon shaped AA version doesn't actually exist it's exclusively rectangular. Plust that's just the man portable version, there is a bigger one that's tripod mounted just callef the "Spike" but it's cylindrical.
Is there any country that doesn't use multicam?
No, it gets really fricking annoying when I try to trade uniforms with foreign militaries. Oh, you’re from Denmark, Netherlands, UK? Sure, let’s trade! Oh, it’s all multicam shit with your gay national flag on the shoulder? Yeah, no, I’m just going over here for a second… to get mine…
Why should we if Javelin/NLAW exists?
The german state doesnt develop weapons
It does, what it doesn't do is maintainance.
Sad. Krauts basically invented the RPG launcher.
At least they're still producing IFV and tanks.
>MATADOR
>LWM 1800+
>SPIKE LR
Is that Germanys entire AT set? What about the Panzerfausts?
Panzerfaust will be replaced sooner or later.
I see. Germany should really up the numbers the amount of AT they have Is kind of a joke.
Got a Milan launcher for every Marder and more in the infantry. A Spike LR launcher in every Puma and more for the infantry. Got Panzerfausts all over, MATADOR/LWMs in storage. Got HOTs and TOWs on various plattforms still around. What more do you want?
Germany actually has a very wide range of manportable systems
>LWM 1800+
>LWM
I didn't know that they actually bought some, thought it was still an MBDA inhouse project
it's fascinating that we've come to the stage where a shoulder-fired missile is actually guided and has 2km of range, what a vast difference to the M72 LAW or RPG-7. But what's the penetration like for those things? aren't they rated for soft targets only?
also, what's the Spike-SR penetration like?
>aren't they rated for soft targets only?
"Lightly armored" is what they claim, and there are both anti-armor and dual-purpose warheads. I'm going to guess that it works against most APCs and such, not against tanks, certainly not frontally. The main intention was to defeat infantry in buildings and similar cover, not modern armored vehicles.
All rocket scientists were kidnapped and their work confiscated during/after WW2.
Simple as
Why do all that when they could just....
DICKE FAUST
they actually maed a guided version of Panzerfaust
Was the laser-guided version ever put into production?
The only photos I've seen were of the dumbfire version or the Dynarange aim-assisted one.
>vatnik logik
The Russians tried doing that for the RPG, it cut its already-abysmal range down by a third, frick knows what it'll do to the Pzf3
what we really need is a revolutionary development in shoulder-fired rocket motors
DER PANZERGIRTHER
because germany is overrated shit
They have SPIKE for that as the Israel shill has shown ITT.
Did you see the huge holes PF-3 made in Russian armor in Ukraine? Maybe someone can post the video. It's fricking insane.
>MELLS, Wirkmittel 90, Wirkmittel 1800.
We have everything we need you moron.
IMO every larger country should have a programme for permanent continuous development of small missiles. There's such a variety of options, and it's so hard to tell which will be best in the future, especially once enemies start to counter them. Being flexible and having the means to quickly adjust will be very useful. There should also be production lines set up for them (preferably several distributed ones, all of which can produce any small missile if need be.)
Krautland does not produce anything new. Just more of the same but updated. All of its companies are from the old era of the german reich. The country still lives off their inertia.
cope
probably from a country that only produces german designs