Why hasn't Germany developed its own Javelin/NLAW equivalent yet?

Why hasn't Germany developed its own Javelin/NLAW equivalent yet?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    aren't they producing spike under the license

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yup. No need to invent everything yourself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this

      https://i.imgur.com/LtXpg0d.jpg

      isn't that for soft or lightly armored targets? Not against tanks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There will be different warheads available. One of them is against tanks.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you sure about that? Yes there will be different warheads but the entire system weighs like 7 kg, both NLAW and panzerfaust 3 weight at least 12 kg.

          Seems like a massive challenge to make something tank destroying with those weight constraints.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Currently it's only been ordered with warheads against non-armored or lightly-armored vehicles, but there are other warheads available against airial targets and main battle tanks.

            The german state doesnt develop weapons

            It kinda does, via the BAAINbw in cooperation with the arms manufacturers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spike deliveries to ukraine are being blocked by israel, so it's not without drawbacks.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        funny how nobody is calling out Israel for that but Germany which already delivered hundreds of millions worth of equipment is constantly shittalked

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are two reason for that.
          The first one is israel-specific and well known.
          The second is that shittalking works better on some states than others. Germany is buckbroken and desperate to accomodate everyone. Israel doesn't give a fuck. Same reason btw. why china gets away with literally genociding muslims.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're simply not allowed to criticize garden gnomes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't cry mate

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hi Shlomo

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >P-please don't bully my country on the Internet!
              Why are Germans so sensitive lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why are you so quick to defend Israel? natural inclination of the Anglo I guess.

                https://i.imgur.com/EhiohNp.jpg

                Sad. Krauts basically invented the RPG launcher.

                At least they're still producing IFV and tanks.

                ATGMs aren't so high-tech that it couldn't be produced if it was worth it
                that said I would prefer if we bought Akeron/MMP from France instead of Spike from Israel
                but I guess the local production of Spike was a better deal

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What part of anything I said had to do with Israel? Why are you pretending your not a whiny moron that gets upset at online bullying. Your a victim.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but you seem obsessed and butthurt, calm down.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Another upset german crying

                I talked about Israel and you started seething at me.

                Nah I just called you out for crying then you sperged about da joos. You are a cry baby like the guy above sorry your victims.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >criticize unequal news coverage of two countries
                >ur crying xDDD
                take your meds obsessed schizo

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bully Germany
                >German Cries
                >N-nno u
                lol
                lmao
                Victim

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                more like
                >bully israel
                >instantly attacks germany
                >getts butthurt when called out

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, this garden gnome is getting upset.
                Notice how it lashes out whenever you name it?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I talked about Israel and you started seething at me.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because everyone knows Israel is doing the tiptoe shit since they're filled with """"""Russian garden gnomes"""""" post collapse who were fleeing economic implosion but are still vatniks abroad so they need to pander to those shitheads.

          That and this shit because Krauts are bitchy, whiny duplicitous little shits that were guzzling Russia's gas like a cockmonger all while spouting off about how they're the real goodboys of the world while claiming to be the victims of American imperialism.

          Fitting catchpa: Y8S0Y

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/6HRXsmI.jpg

          Because everyone knows Israel is doing the tiptoe shit since they're filled with """"""Russian garden gnomes"""""" post collapse who were fleeing economic implosion but are still vatniks abroad so they need to pander to those shitheads.

          That and this shit because Krauts are bitchy, whiny duplicitous little shits that were guzzling Russia's gas like a cockmonger all while spouting off about how they're the real goodboys of the world while claiming to be the victims of American imperialism.

          Fitting catchpa: Y8S0Y

          Don't forget how big of a cuck the current chancellor is and how much he tends to drag his feet on deliveries, especially early on when he was being cuck buddies with Macron hoping that the Russians would win and everything would pass over into the "multipolar world."
          >Scholz joined the SPD in 1975 as a student, where he got involved with the Jusos, the youth organization of the SPD. From 1982 to 1988, he was Deputy Federal Juso Chairman, and from 1987 to 1989 also Vice President of the International Union of Socialist Youth. He supported the Freudenberger Kreis, the Marxist wing of the Juso university groups, promoting "overcoming the capitalist economy" in articles.[9] In it, Scholz criticized the "aggressive-imperialist NATO", the Federal Republic as the "European stronghold of big business" and the social-liberal coalition, which puts the "bare maintenance of power above any form of substantive dispute".[10]

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cuck buddies with Macron

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Funny enough I'll give Macron more points because he's French and we know how the French tick. That and whatever "possible" good cop bad cop routine he's pulling.
              https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/12/04/russia-needs-security-guarantees-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine-says-macron

              Back to German cuckposting:
              >Meanwhile, Wolfgang Hellmich, the SPD’s defense policy spokesman, currently rules out German delivery of Leopard 2 tanks. “These are attack tanks. What Ukraine needs are tanks for defense like the Marder.”
              >Defense tanks
              >Attack tanks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He is a lefty retard and he is spouting retarded semantics, and everyone knows he is doing it.
                They're also running a full blown media campaign talking about how 'most Germans' see the deliverys of IFVs 'with skepticism'.
                Pure bulshit, we need to send IFVs and MBTs immediately.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Haven’t people been calling the out for it constantly? With even people like Lindsey Graham starting to have a problem with it? Honestly, it seems pretty retarded of them. Russia is deepening ties with Israel’s enemies and all it gets them if further alienation from Europe. It reminds of every time the us tried to “reach out” to people on the other side of the table only to get burned again and again.

                fuck ukraine, goddamn imperialist shills shitting up PrepHole

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hans from Dresden oblast. Yes, I can confirm that I am demoralized and my family is freezing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >demoralized
                This is one of the biggest self-owns glowmorons use.
                >did our incompetence and contempt for the plebs destroy their trust in us?
                >no, it's the vatmorons who are responsible for this

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fritz from Berlin Oblast here. Thank you once again for showing western incompetence. President Putin should nuke Berlin.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nuke Berlin
                >German GDP/cap rises

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Germans really are an infuriating people. Nice culture, fun language, some cool guns and shit, but fuck if Wilson wasn't right about them.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bolton looks downright fucking scared in that pic.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Haven’t people been calling the out for it constantly? With even people like Lindsey Graham starting to have a problem with it? Honestly, it seems pretty retarded of them. Russia is deepening ties with Israel’s enemies and all it gets them if further alienation from Europe. It reminds of every time the us tried to “reach out” to people on the other side of the table only to get burned again and again.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senator-lindsey-graham-blasts-israels-new-government-vowing-stay-quiet-ukraine-war
            Looks like Grahamesty did bitch about it.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They went all in on the tank build and didn't do the missile research tech tree, almost all their missile weapons are bought from allies. The Pzf3 is about as high tech as they get.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    theyre buying israeli missiles, even making some for other european countries

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saw videos from around April or so of some braindead retard vatniks in at least three T-72s charging a treeline filled with Ukies and they demolished the whole group with frontal Panzerfaust 3 hits. Those things are apparently pretty good.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Panzerfaust penetration is insane.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they don't really need one between Panzerfaust 3 and Milan/Spike-LR.

      It's basically the krauts deciding they want an RPG-7, only with a warhead big enough to fuck up a T-90 through the front.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most tanks don't like being hit by that, especially with the tandem variant against ERA. It is very much comparable to a full sized HEAT round tanks shoot.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like that he cares so much about the optic he doesn't take of the lens cap for the photo shoot

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait a second, is this what those fucking Czechs used for ARMA III's launchers?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it's called the "Rafael Mini Spike", the hexigon shaped AA version doesn't actually exist it's exclusively rectangular. Plust that's just the man portable version, there is a bigger one that's tripod mounted just callef the "Spike" but it's cylindrical.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is there any country that doesn't use multicam?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, it gets really fucking annoying when I try to trade uniforms with foreign militaries. Oh, you’re from Denmark, Netherlands, UK? Sure, let’s trade! Oh, it’s all multicam shit with your gay national flag on the shoulder? Yeah, no, I’m just going over here for a second… to get mine…

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why should we if Javelin/NLAW exists?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The german state doesnt develop weapons

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It does, what it doesn't do is maintainance.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sad. Krauts basically invented the RPG launcher.

    At least they're still producing IFV and tanks.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MATADOR
    >LWM 1800+
    >SPIKE LR

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that Germanys entire AT set? What about the Panzerfausts?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Panzerfaust will be replaced sooner or later.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I see. Germany should really up the numbers the amount of AT they have Is kind of a joke.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Got a Milan launcher for every Marder and more in the infantry. A Spike LR launcher in every Puma and more for the infantry. Got Panzerfausts all over, MATADOR/LWMs in storage. Got HOTs and TOWs on various plattforms still around. What more do you want?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Germany actually has a very wide range of manportable systems

    • 4 weeks ago
      thyme

      >LWM 1800+
      >LWM
      I didn't know that they actually bought some, thought it was still an MBDA inhouse project

      it's fascinating that we've come to the stage where a shoulder-fired missile is actually guided and has 2km of range, what a vast difference to the M72 LAW or RPG-7. But what's the penetration like for those things? aren't they rated for soft targets only?

      also, what's the Spike-SR penetration like?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >aren't they rated for soft targets only?
        "Lightly armored" is what they claim, and there are both anti-armor and dual-purpose warheads. I'm going to guess that it works against most APCs and such, not against tanks, certainly not frontally. The main intention was to defeat infantry in buildings and similar cover, not modern armored vehicles.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All rocket scientists were kidnapped and their work confiscated during/after WW2.
    Simple as

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do all that when they could just....

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DICKE FAUST

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they actually maed a guided version of Panzerfaust

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Was the laser-guided version ever put into production?
        The only photos I've seen were of the dumbfire version or the Dynarange aim-assisted one.

    • 4 weeks ago
      thyme

      >vatnik logik
      The Russians tried doing that for the RPG, it cut its already-abysmal range down by a third, fuck knows what it'll do to the Pzf3

      what we really need is a revolutionary development in shoulder-fired rocket motors

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DER PANZERGIRTHER

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because germany is overrated shit

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They have SPIKE for that as the Israel shill has shown ITT.
    Did you see the huge holes PF-3 made in Russian armor in Ukraine? Maybe someone can post the video. It's fucking insane.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MELLS, Wirkmittel 90, Wirkmittel 1800.
    We have everything we need you retard.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IMO every larger country should have a programme for permanent continuous development of small missiles. There's such a variety of options, and it's so hard to tell which will be best in the future, especially once enemies start to counter them. Being flexible and having the means to quickly adjust will be very useful. There should also be production lines set up for them (preferably several distributed ones, all of which can produce any small missile if need be.)

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Krautland does not produce anything new. Just more of the same but updated. All of its companies are from the old era of the german reich. The country still lives off their inertia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cope
      probably from a country that only produces german designs

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