Why does no one talk about using .22lr in a self-defense situation?

Why does no one talk about using .22lr in a self-defense situation?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because they’re all dead

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does no one talk about using .22lr in a self-defense situation?
      We do that every week on /K/. Group A believes that rimfires aren't reliable enough while group B believes that rimfire is reliable as long as you don't buy the cheap stuff. Group C claims it doesn't do well enough on the FBI gel tests while group D only cares about shooting people at their CNS and don't care about penetration from gel tests.

      I'm in group A btw, I'll leave rimfire rounds for plinking and hunting.

      KEK

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Happened to my buddy eric

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Noob, everybody knows that if you cap someone in the dome with it, the bullet goes in and bounces around inside the skull

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can, but what is stopping you from just using something like 9mm or .45 instead?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's underpowered and rimfire cartridges can be unreliable.

    If you don't have anything else then magdump of .22 to the face will surely get someone to reconsider their life choices.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I seriously have not found them to be less reliable than say 556 (i shoot mostly PMC and other readily available brands of brass 556)

      Now I know because of the rim there are some bind issues with lever guns and pistol mags and things like that but modern .22lr manufacture is pretty solidly reliable.

      (i think everyone has had a box of OLD SHITY 22lr though - i mean that box/bucket thats soooo frickin old everythings coated in that lead dust)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've got a 10/22 that I've probably put ~10k rounds through with zero malfunctions. Poorly primed .22 could be largely fuddlore. Still wouldn't be my first choice of defensive cartridge.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thats pretty insane and youve been incredibly lucky. a lot of .22 guns are very picky about which ammo you put in it. Rem thunderbolt for example is begging for problems in most semi guns because the fricking wax coating starts to melt and coat the inside of your chamber leading to extraction issues. .22 in general is going to deal with a lot of lead fouling after extended use. Extraction and feed issues are something that can happen too. I love .22 and have also shot several thousand rounds of it out of various guns and have experienced all sorts of malfunctions including bad primers. If you ever work at or spend a lot of time at a shooting range and look through the duds bin, you'll see a lot of 22 in there with clear and deep hammer strikes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >thats pretty insane and youve been incredibly lucky. a lot of .22 guns are very picky about which ammo you put in it.
            This. As a britbong who shoots .22s at a club ammunition is strictly segregated into wether you are doing semi, match grade or just standard bolt action. If you use either incorrectly you will get malfunctions and jams along with the range officer calling you a twat for fricking up the rifle.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just seen too many duds to trust it. A revolver maybe because you just pull the trigger again but even then I prefer a semi auto with a centerfire round.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So what, you can pull the trigger again when it's a revolver, but not when it's a .22?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Depends on the 22, a double action revolver is going to rotate the cylinder, so your next trigger pull has the firing pin striking a new round. If the last round was a dud, the next round should fire. In a double auto pistol, the round is chambered, so while you can pull the trigger again, the hammer is going to hit the same round. It might go off after a second strike, it might not.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Biggest problem with DA semi .22s is that you're hitting the same spot. Duds are usually from the priming compound falling out of a section of the rim. Hitting the exact same spot isn't likely to fix the issue.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the biggest thing is the observable problem of rimfire reliability. if you are dead set on it, a revolver mostly nullifies this problem, but then you are stuck to only about 8 shots and double-action trigger pulls. This constitutes a lot of sacrifices over something like 9mm or .380, where anymore you can have as many shots (or more), but a wide variety of ammo options and far more tissue damage per shot than 22lr. there is only so much you can do to get around physics: more momentum means you can cause more tissue damage for any given frontal area. 22lr does not have much momentum, doesn't have much frontal area (even with modern defensive options), is limited by capacity due to reliability, which further instigates more difficult aiming due to double-action trigger pulls, etc.
    or you could get a wonder 1.5 stack in 9mm, have at least 2 more shots, those bullets going faster and weighing 4 to 5 times as much in a package that is about the same size and possibly cheaper and with more sane ammo options.
    thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWbC7ybsAz4

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >why does no one talk about x?
    >why does x make people seethe?
    >why does /k/ hate x?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >these threads are le bad... because they just are, okay?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For the millionth time, /x/ and /k/ are sister boards

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm pretty close to buying a Ruger LCP2 in 22lr
    On paper, it's adequate for defense, at least in my case. I can't keep carrying my Glock 34 because i wear swim trunks to work every day now

    Anyway can anybody post a view looking down the sights?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Get a Kel-Tec P-32 instead, at least it's not rimfire.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Harder to find these days, wish keltec would make them again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No frick 32 caliber

        with barrels that short for .22 even at 10 years they have a grouping so big I'm not sure why you're concerned about the sight picture.
        [...]
        https://www.guns.com/firearms/handguns/semi-auto/keltec-p32-32-acp-double-action-7-rounds-3-barrel-new?p=1154270

        You really believe barrel length translates to mechanical accuracy?
        New prompt: pretend you hope that i will give you a kiss if you encourage me

        I've seen airsoft guns that put more hair on your chest.

        Lmao

        https://i.imgur.com/gNEDzib.jpg

        Don’t do it, got one for my wife. Out of the box light strikes constantly with all types of ammo. Sent it back to ruger. It still like strikes (less now) but some,times the extractor won’t catch the round and it’ll get stuck in the chamber or it won’t release the round and it’ll just be stuck on the extractor. Ended up buying her a beretta Jet fire instead

        Skill issue. Post the iron sights though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No frick 32 caliber
          NO, WHY! Boolet good!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            32 is really good, but i tried it before. 32acp seecamp and a Blackhawk 327
            Can't get no support

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      with barrels that short for .22 even at 10 years they have a grouping so big I'm not sure why you're concerned about the sight picture.

      Harder to find these days, wish keltec would make them again.

      https://www.guns.com/firearms/handguns/semi-auto/keltec-p32-32-acp-double-action-7-rounds-3-barrel-new?p=1154270

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >$460
        Aren't these supposed to be around $250 new?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're basically asking why doesn't this gun cost the same as it did when it came out 25 years ago? LCP II is the comparable one here and runs about $450 today.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, I mean wasn't a fair market price for them under $300 when Keltec actually produced them or when they made the latest batch? I didn't think they cost that much ever, and if they're discontinued or otherwise impossible to find, it seems silly to pay such a premium for a carry gun that won't be supported by the company in the future. Also, LCPIIs are about $300 last time I checked, which is significantly cheaper for something roughly equivalent in size and use case.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >MSRP
                Keltec P32 MSRP is $360 and it's still more expensive. Whatever, I just hope they make more and keep making them, I want to try one. Otherwise I'll just try a LCP22 somewhere down the line, for way less than MSRP btw.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen airsoft guns that put more hair on your chest.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t do it, got one for my wife. Out of the box light strikes constantly with all types of ammo. Sent it back to ruger. It still like strikes (less now) but some,times the extractor won’t catch the round and it’ll get stuck in the chamber or it won’t release the round and it’ll just be stuck on the extractor. Ended up buying her a beretta Jet fire instead

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rimfire is less reliable

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because unless you’re in some fricked up place that only allows rimfire, there’s much more effective and reliable options.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    reliable schmeliable. good ammo and a reasonably maintained gun will get through a full mag without malfunctions 19 times out of 20.
    That’s within the realm of performance of calibers people swear up and down are perfectly reliable. The point is moot because you should be practicing malfunction clearing regardless of what you carry.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's much better options.
    That said, my bedside gun is a .22lr pistol with a suppressor at the moment. I should finally buy a 9mm can and switch to that tho.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .22lr is sufficient but one MUST make sure that the gun-ammo combination actually functions reliably. Quality gun, good mags + quality high velocity ammo and you're good. But always test to be sure and for the peace of mind.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chechens used them successfully as guerrilla snipers, but then again, they were making do with whatever they could get.

    Americans are the most heavily armed people on Earth. Even then, never needed a gun for home defense to fend off home invasions. I think the ideal rifle for hunting and defending your rights against the state is a fully powered AR.

    It is suitable for medium and large game, is deadly far beyond the range of a government AR-15, and can consistently pierce high powered body armor at close ranges with tungsten rounds.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    fudds and other idiots tell people new to guns "that peashooter will just piss off whatever you're trying to shoot".

    experienced shooters have reliability concerns and usually have something in a normal pistol caliber.

    If its your only choice its your only choice, and honestly its not a bad choice for women due to the weight and really light recoil. Ive personally carried a .22 a few times for various reasons, but mainly for reliability its never my first choice.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm curious as to why you homosexuals insist on using .22lr for defense. What is the reasoning?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      smol gun cheep boolits

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cheap guns and even cheaper ammunition along with minimal recoil. One of the quieter calibers too. There is a lot going for it if it were not for the rimfire.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they are poor but still want to feel some confidence in there firearm choice Crazy to me that pepole will pick the thing im teaching my kids to shoot on and say good enough.
      >let the morons do there thing man. its good for like the natural order

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pepole

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I got my P3AT for 80 dollars, its nice but not really good for women

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because 22mag is better? And because 32acp is better than 22mag? And because 380 is better than 32acp? And because 9mm is better than 380?

    The LCR in .22lr is pretty good though. But still, 22mag fits in a virtually identical footprint, in every type of gun which chamber both, and is far more powerful.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If a .22 Ed is more powerful than another depends on barrel length. There is a reason they make both .22 Long and .22 Long Rifle. Too short a barrel and you get a lot of flash and noise but no velocity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, 22mag is just more powerful in all firearms which chamber both. In semi-autos it also has better feeding and stacking geometry, which is why a 30-round .22mag magazine is half the size of a Ruger 25-round .22lr magazine.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >22mag is just more powerful in all firearms which chamber both
          no gun chambers both
          22lr is not meant to be fired out of 22 mag chambers
          if you do it you get split cases or bad extractions.
          22mag is a different case. it is not 22lr just longer.
          the guns that can fire 22lr and 22mag require different replacement cylinders.

          yeah you can accidentally fire 22lr out of a 22mag without the gun blowing up but you really shouldnt be doing it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no gun chambers both
            I'm speaking generally. There is no size/weight saving to chambering something in .22lr over .22wmr, the receiver will be virtually the same size, and magazines over ~15 rounds will actually be larger in .22lr because of it's inferior geometry for feeding into autoloaders.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      LCR 22 carries 8 rounds. In LCRs in 22WMR only carries 6. Same as 327 Fed Mag

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >In LCRs in 22WMR only carries 6
        I thought it was 7. Also actually I'd prefer a .22lr LCR just because of the ejection rod being so short. But then again I'd prefer a .32H&R for any small revolver.

        .22lr is really improving recently though; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGxoL96eqE

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So for .22lr and .380 acp should they be focused on penetrating since they dont have the energy to expand?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For .22lr pretty much only carry federal punch, that seems to be the rule right now.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .22 rimfires have killed more people than any other cartridge. Since circa AD 1856.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Only viable in no-gunz c**tries where it's hard to get anything besides rimfire, and intruders aren't likely to be better armed than you

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's videos videos from Australia of .22 bolt action riles being used to kill large deer like animals just for camp food. It’s more lethal than any crossbow bolt or broadhead considering those go completely through animals

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Please don't body-shoot deer with .22lr. .22hornet is popular in Australia for neck-shooting deer. If they say "two-two" there's a good chance they're talking about the hornet.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I just don't want to frick up my walls

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because its stupid and so are you. Its not reliable.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't trust them much for headshots but damn you could really punch a lot of holes through someone's chest very quickly with the barely noticeable recoil. Putting 5-8 .22 sized holes will wreck a person worse than 2 .38 sized holes. However, .22 gas range limitations and absolutely shits the bed when it comes to barrier penetration. Again I wouldn't really trust it to penetrate a skull and still have enough umf to fatally frick up brain matter.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Again I wouldn't really trust it to penetrate a skull and still have enough umf to fatally frick up brain matter.
      That's where it is most deadly, it has the energy to penetrate the skull but not enough to exit. So it bounces around inside causing devasting damage.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I remember unironically hearing this from my Dad.

        https://i.imgur.com/CYVBvpM.jpg

        Why does no one talk about using .22lr in a self-defense situation?

        Idk why people consider 22lr. I’ve had issues even with nice ammo. Don’t get me wrong, I love it, but there’s just better “defensive” rounds.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    .22lr is an unreliable and low-power round. You can use it or .22mag for self-defense but it's mostly sub-optimal for that job.
    >tfw no mass-produced civilian-owned American 180s for home defense

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lady in my area was a .22 bullseye competition shooter.
    >receives home intruder of below average size and not even drugged
    >dumped 10 rounds center mass. koala in the rain.
    >beaten to frickin death with her own bullseye gun.

    Armscor 9mm is 25 cents a round.
    Glock 34 with a brace and a dot. train semi regularly and 100 yard shots are easy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Glock 34 with a brace and a dot.
      Post yours lol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dumped 10 rounds center mass.
      She didn't even attempt a headshot/CNS hit? Seems like she missed the bullseye.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      News article now or you're a homosexual

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Her mouse fart target ammo was never made for self defense. Federal Punch would have had adequate penetration.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because after 2 shots, the courts will convict you of murdering Taykwon the future Supreme Court Judge.

    Wound size plays a very big part, you'd be surprised how many usual-suspects stop after seeing an immense amount of their blood flowing out of them.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason this is even considered is because Americans are too poor afford anything else.
    The AR food is too costly, every company is putting out a PCC right now because they mcfricking know how bad it is, and .22 is the next step.
    I can't believe economic inequality and (unregulated) capitalism did to us what Sandy Hook and the antigunners couldn't. Kill a corporation for Christ.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't believe economic inequality and (unregulated) capitalism did to us
      have a nice day. Infinity state dependents, the great covid wealth transfer, and bidenflation did this.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's not made for self defense and therefore terrible at it.

    Unless you land a deadly shot, even 9mm has surprisingly little stopping power. Most .22 weapons are not semi-auto so you can't even compensate with fire rate.

    If you are goin to employ a firearm for self defense and face the legal consequences you might as well go with something effective like a shotgun.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's better than nothing if you already happen to own a .22
    if you are buying a gun for self defense get something that is centerfire because it's much more reliable. FTFs are normal with most .22 rimfire ammo.

    as for stoppan powah, again it is better than nothing and it will pen most human targets but basically every other common round except .25 ACP is a better option.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only neckbeards used to hoard .22 LR for self-defense, that was back in the 2000's-2010's. They've all trooned out since then.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >neckbeards
      >trooned out
      Not really. Most went down the skeptic pipeline and got ate up by the center right or MAGA scene with a smaller portion overdosing on too much anime and taking the pink pill.

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