>defeated the Spetsnaz/Rosgvardia/GPS
>defeated the DPR/LPR special force soldiers
>defeated the Chechens for dyings died out plout
>if Belarus or Transnistria got involved, they'd suffer the same fate.
It's almost like they couldn't have hit a wprse target. You could say it's Western weapons, and while that may be true, however they've fought withput laid for days at a time with no supplies whatsoever and still significantly wrotened the Russian military. What gives?
Oh yeah, and
>defeated Wagner
Or the FSB: You forgot those spooks too to worry about.
Well, when you have the entirety of the western world shitting out its most advanced weapon systems, and billions upon billions of dollars, even a dumbass Slav like a Ukrainian can be effective.
But it's not their most advanced weapons. It's a NATO estate sale on Cold War gear.
I doubt we'll see a true Balkanization of Russia, but this conflict is showing cracks in Putin's vision for the Russosphere. I suspect increasing autonomy in the various Russian republics and an overall loss in the "Soviet successor" narrative in Russian politics. Change in sitting governance isn't out of the question, if enough Russian deaths get publicized.
Unlike puccians, Ukrainians have always been pretty decent at this whole war thing and aren't as retarded on an individual level.
Wut?
Ukraine's army was literal fucking dogshit just a decade ago and they've always been seen as the inbred redneck hicks of Eastern Europe.
The most highly advanced technology like humvees, gavins and flakpanzers from the scrap heap
you disrespect Gavin again and you're getting banned
But Ukraine only received lethal weapons four months into the war.
Ukraine received javelins in 2021, for one
yeah, like 10
>shitting out its most advanced weapon systems
lol pretty much the only thing i can think of thats not older than 20 years at this point is the himars
Even HIMARS is about that age. It was first contracted in 2003 and it passed evaluation ever earlier, obviously. There are Archers, but they may not be in Ukraine just yet.
>people actually think every soldier in ukraine has a SCAR and a javelin
When foreign help arrived vdv, spetsnaz, gaygvardia been dead for like 6 months
Good afternoon sirs
Ukrainians are motivated to defend their homeland, they know what it's like to have the Russian boot on their throats and do not want that to happen again. The Russians don't have nearly as compelling a reason to fight.
>motivation
>training
>not too retarded
>trying to get more armament everyday
>actually using the intelligence of the US to destroy useful targets
Their enemies are Russian. If you have the will to stand against endless hoards of retards, you will win a war with Russia. It has very little to do with being an "effective fighter".
>not too retarded
All Slavs are retarded. The non-Russian ones are just slightly less retarded than the Russian ones.
>nothing is worse than being under Russia
This is it in a nutshell. Russians are so hopelessly retarded they actually motivate their enemies to fight them to the very last man, woman and child.
>not too retarded
All Slavs are retarded. The non-Russian ones are just slightly less retarded than the Russian ones.
Are you retarded or something you are saying the same thing.
The Ukrainians are hurtling full steam ahead into a new European liberal order and discarding the old Soviet paradigm that failed them. If South Korea left the formerly more industrialised North in the dust, why can't Ukraine succeed a stagnating Russia?
Slavs aren't that retarded. We gave a shit ton of equipment to the afghan army and the inbred morons fell to pieces the second the US didn't have boots on the ground. Slavs at least actually make things. Ukraine at least designs and manufactures its own weapons and tanks. What single shitskin country makes anything?
Leadership and national unity plays a massive role in a country's defence. Afghanistan crumbled like stale cookies because all of their leaders were corrupt to the core and hamstrung any serious efforts, which were further sabotaged by greater loyalties to tribe rather than nation. Ukraine enjoys both a fairer government (relatively speaking, as Zelensky has been suspected of corruption himself) and strong national identity with no splinter groups save the separatists. It also helps that Zelenskyy didn't run at the first sign of danger, unlike Ghani.
>All Slavs are retarded.
The only thing that's "retarded" about any non-Russian slavs is the Russian cultural influence, and Russia wouldn't have conquered shit in the West if it wasn't for Germany and Austria.
The natural state of Russia, when it isn't tag-teaming Central Europe with Germany, is to be subjugated by it. Central Europe teaming up with America is the best thing that could ever happen to this silly continent.
Damn I guess the Germans lacked the will to fight especially in the late war... FUCK! WHY DID YOU KRAUTS GIVE UP SO EASILY IF ONLY MODERN UKRANIANS WERE AROUND TO ASSIST GERMANY!
>trained by the US
>given loads of NATO equipment
>actually motivated to be there
Third point is big. Ukrainians know that no matter what, nothing is worse than being under Russia. Sheer Russian incompetence and corruption ensures it. No act of malice Russia intentionally inflicts upon Ukraine can possibly be as destructive as them attempting to govern.
Billions of us tax dollars
Well I'd rather my tax dollars be going to neo-nazis in Ukraine rather than feeding zome unruly, uninvited trespasser a to my homeland. I'd side with morons just to prove my hatred of the garden gnomes.
you will continue paying taxes like a good little cuck for as long as it takes, worm.
Why'd that make you seethe tho? The answer is factually: billions of tax dollars. No judgement, that's just what it is. Without it, the war would probably ultimately have ended in the defenders favor, but it would have looked very different. How trans do you have to be to consider that contentious?
>Why'd that make you seethe tho?
Because he assumed (not without reason) that you were posting from Moscow, Idaho-oblast and thus see those billions as a negative despite the fact that it's the best use the American tax payer has gotten for it's dollars in years
Ukraine has been oppressed by geopolitics for all relevant history.
Culturally they are a fully developed people who see the light at the end of the tunnel to their rightful place in the world.
Of course they fight like hell.
Desperation
I'm sure the Ukrainians are very motivated fighters, but let's not pretend their zeal makes them effective in strategy, tactics and logistics. They're trading casualties favourably, but not as favourably as western nations do in similar conflicts. They've pulled off big defensive manoeuvres and managed some devastating counterattacks, but they've been sloppy and it's cost them dearly in lives and materiel. They've held on against a larger, more developed force, but they've been bogged down in effective stalemate during Russia's weakest period yet. The reason they've been able to fend off the initial attack, take the initiative and turn the invasion around has little to do with them and everything to do with how fucking retarded Russia's leadership has been. For whatever reason, they've set their entire military up to fail and doubled down, throwing lives and now irreplaceable materiel into the grinder for what could have been a devastatingly pyrrhic victory, but now will likely be a drag-down, bleed-out loss. I don't know why or how this happened. I doubt, unless there's a revolution or anti-Putinist government to release documents from the time, we'll ever know what series of misunderstandings, lies and gambles took place to get a country as large as Russia to kneel down and test the guillotine with an arm before they decided to put their head in.
Look at Russin cities.
Look at Donetsk before 2014 and today.
Look at Russian statistics on anything.
You'd be a fool not to be motivated to fight until your last dying breath to NOT become part of Russia.
>4VVDV
because 90% of russia as a nation and state is a potemkin village
there's barely anything real
It's shocking how unexaggerated this view is when you realise practically all of Russia is concentrated in a few big cities, lording over a vast emptiness without central heating or toilets.
Ukrainians are motivated, have prepared for the eventuality of a full scale Russian invasion, and now are being fully supplied by the largest military force on the planet. Russia on the other hand is still trying to shake off the collapse of the USSR in the 90's and all the corruption and incompetence that it created, and this conflict is only making that even worse as time goes
From what some experts have said, they've barely even recovered from the devastation of WW2, especially in their demographics. If even more catastrophes occur for them in this century (e.g. uprisings in the East and Siberia, losing Georgia and Chechnya), Russia might very well go the way of Yugoslavia or Gran Colombia.
>can’t capture donbass for 9 years
Yeah, no, they’re not effective
They’re just a mildly competent force in a defensive posture with good morale against an extremely retarded and completely incompetent aggressor. The Japanese weren’t exactly landing men on the moon when they trounced Russia in the Russo-Japanese war
You don’t have to be an ubermensch super computer to win a war, you just have to be less catastrophically retarded than the other team
Credit where credit is due, the decision to stall at Bakhmut despite others' misgivings was a masterstroke. They contained a large part of the eastern conflict to an insignificant town while allowing Russia to inflate its importance to a fatal degree. Thus, we now see irreparable damage inflicted on the invading military (which is getting pushed back!) and their leaders' credibility as Prigozhin and the generals screech at each other for failing such a 'simple' objective.
Yes I agree it was a wise move with a long view, limiting the damage the war will cause to other cities in the area and lowering the overall costs of rebuilding.
Most of that stuff is just a happy accident but history books will say it like you did. Its called adapting and sometimes getting lucky.
Never underestimate the depths of Russian incompetence
I don't think their has been a single war that the Russians were not completely incompetent in, and every victory basically only won due to numbers
To find a "great power" with a worse record you genuinely have to go back to like the Qing Dynasty or the Ottoman Empire of the 19th century. They are so so bad at war and it's astonishing that they have a reputation for being good at it just because they got bailed out of WW2 with half the world sending them everything they needed.
lend lease. The answer is always lend lease.
Home advantage
Motivation
Given weapons where it counts
>Their whole post-soviet army has had a refurbishment of organizational structure to more closely resemble NATO and their usage of NCOs since 2014.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3313982/ncos-key-to-ukrainian-military-successes-against-russia/
>They've had 8 years of experience fighting Russian-backed insurgent militias in Donbas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)
>Throughout those 8 years they've been briefed and trained by the CIA in how to fight these insurgents as well as Russia itself.
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html
>Ukraine now has more and more modern equipment than Russia thanks to NATO Lend-Lease and equipment captured from Russia.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522
>Highly motivated due to defensive war to protect their national identity and independence.
>President pretty much rallied the whole country and the world by simply not fleeing with his tail between his legs on the first week of the war.
>Russian performance has been pathetic so far so Ukrainians are even more confident.
I could go on.
That's a russian in the picture. I don't think this little girl defeated anyone.
Cause they're not fighting anyone capable or perticularly dangerous.
Damn the new Softlygaloshes video is fucking wild
nazism
They have experience from the 2014 invasion and have hometurf advantage.
Kinda like the chechen wars, but less muslims and more complex tactics.
Since Russian Empire, Russia has not won any major war without Ukrainians in their ranks.
Most of the Ukrainian and Russian military command were learning the same Soviet military doctrines so they fully know and understand what Russians officers will do in any given moment. Zalushny himself said that Gerasimov was basically his mentor
>“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
The quote that encapsulates the war, absolutely incredible.
Ukrainians are human unlike Russians, just from their behavior in this war alone they seem to have infinitely more compassion and moral fortitude than the Russians do. They’re also a lot smarter.
>motivated to fight and win
>home/defender advantage
>moderate western materiel support and infinite intel support
>fighting against a deeply corrupt, primitive african nation using soviet surplus
the russians are using the dregs of their society in a poorly organized manner while the ukies are using the best people that they have wherever they think they will contribute the most to thewar effort. the russians are quite tenacious tho
>while the ukies are using the best people that they have wherever they think they will contribute the most to thewar effort.
That's blatantly untrue, the summer offensive in Donbass last year was hard carried by territorial defense units which were mostly middle aged men
motivation
They're effective in the way that the Chechens were in the early 90s; their opponent is a retarded mob of plebs, led by a gang of corrupt and feckless cock sucking yes men.
Not to downplay Ukrainian ability, but I suspect the Spetsnaz and shit have been like all of other Russian shit, overhyped. They were just ruthless, not actually efficient. Good for being shoot first ask questions later hostage killing teams, useless when actually fighting someone who can fight back.
Yes yes, backflip and throw an ax, while you're being shot. Very majestic way to die.
yea you fucking wish your shithole country had seals who were that cool
being "cool" doesn't do shit for your chances of surviving a modern battlefield against a determined enemy. And no amount of training can save you from simple misfortune.
ukraine is white while r*ssia is gypsy, simple
say what you will about gypsies, but they aren't subservient cucks like russians
People who fought in almost every war for puccia?
They even made my great grandfather kill chinks in the 20s and 30s.
Maybe its magic Cossack genes.
United ststes tax dollars have always turned even the most 3rd world irregulars into a fighting force to be reckoned with. Every time. Simple as.
most financial aid to ukraine is being stolen by its leadership. its no different than aid sent to africa. I want russia to lose but its really childish to just pretend ukraine is this bastion of peace and nobility.
What financial aid is being sent to Ukraine and what leadership steals it?
Any sources?
are there any sources you would actually accept?
Anything that's not Murdoch/Kreml propaganda and based its information on an Illusory truth effect maybe?
Especially on the FINANCIAL aid.
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/08/08/world-bank-mobilizes-4-5-billion-in-additional-financing-for-vital-support-to-ukraine
>https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/08/08/world-bank-mobilizes-4-5-billion-in-additional-financing-for-vital-support-to-ukraine
Yes, and now the embezzling part?
>prove embezzelment
how many times have you made a similar claim about corrupt governments without proof? its fucking UKRAINE, dude. would you ask for proof of embezzlement if i was talking about India?
Considering the efficiency of the troops and the non revolt of the Ukrainian people in a literal warzone I'd say, yes?
You are making shit up on a stomach feeling.
1. Because they want to.
2. Because we helped them.
3. Because the Russians are so fucking stupid.
Poles, Turks, and others would have fared just as well solo even if you ignore NATO (actually way better). USA has been helping so many fake states like South Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, that we forget what it's like when people have an actual national identity and want to defend themselves.
You also can't utterly discount the terrible performance of Russia all over.
Because Russians are shit clearly
Because they're fighting assembled Russian subhumans.
because they were the real russians (descendants of Rus) all along.
overglorified muscovite gays and fakes just don't compare
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