Why are Ukrainians such effective fighters?

>defeated the Spetsnaz/Rosgvardia/GPS
>defeated the DPR/LPR special force soldiers
>defeated the Chechens for dyings died out plout
>if Belarus or Transnistria got involved, they'd suffer the same fate.
It's almost like they couldn't have hit a wprse target. You could say it's Western weapons, and while that may be true, however they've fought withput laid for days at a time with no supplies whatsoever and still significantly wrotened the Russian military. What gives?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh yeah, and
    >defeated Wagner

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Or the FSB: You forgot those spooks too to worry about.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well, when you have the entirety of the western world shitting out its most advanced weapon systems, and billions upon billions of dollars, even a dumbass Slav like a Ukrainian can be effective.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      But it's not their most advanced weapons. It's a NATO estate sale on Cold War gear.

      From what some experts have said, they've barely even recovered from the devastation of WW2, especially in their demographics. If even more catastrophes occur for them in this century (e.g. uprisings in the East and Siberia, losing Georgia and Chechnya), Russia might very well go the way of Yugoslavia or Gran Colombia.

      I doubt we'll see a true Balkanization of Russia, but this conflict is showing cracks in Putin's vision for the Russosphere. I suspect increasing autonomy in the various Russian republics and an overall loss in the "Soviet successor" narrative in Russian politics. Change in sitting governance isn't out of the question, if enough Russian deaths get publicized.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unlike puccians, Ukrainians have always been pretty decent at this whole war thing and aren't as moronic on an individual level.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wut?
        Ukraine's army was literal fricking dogshit just a decade ago and they've always been seen as the inbred redneck hicks of Eastern Europe.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The most highly advanced technology like humvees, gavins and flakpanzers from the scrap heap

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        you disrespect Gavin again and you're getting banned

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      But Ukraine only received lethal weapons four months into the war.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine received javelins in 2021, for one

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, like 10

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shitting out its most advanced weapon systems
      lol pretty much the only thing i can think of thats not older than 20 years at this point is the himars

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Even HIMARS is about that age. It was first contracted in 2003 and it passed evaluation ever earlier, obviously. There are Archers, but they may not be in Ukraine just yet.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >people actually think every soldier in ukraine has a SCAR and a javelin

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      When foreign help arrived vdv, spetsnaz, gaygvardia been dead for like 6 months

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good afternoon sirs

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians are motivated to defend their homeland, they know what it's like to have the Russian boot on their throats and do not want that to happen again. The Russians don't have nearly as compelling a reason to fight.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >motivation
    >training
    >not too moronic
    >trying to get more armament everyday
    >actually using the intelligence of the US to destroy useful targets

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their enemies are Russian. If you have the will to stand against endless hoards of morons, you will win a war with Russia. It has very little to do with being an "effective fighter".

      >not too moronic
      All Slavs are moronic. The non-Russian ones are just slightly less moronic than the Russian ones.

      >trained by the US
      >given loads of NATO equipment
      >actually motivated to be there

      Third point is big. Ukrainians know that no matter what, nothing is worse than being under Russia. Sheer Russian incompetence and corruption ensures it. No act of malice Russia intentionally inflicts upon Ukraine can possibly be as destructive as them attempting to govern.

      >nothing is worse than being under Russia
      This is it in a nutshell. Russians are so hopelessly moronic they actually motivate their enemies to fight them to the very last man, woman and child.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not too moronic
        All Slavs are moronic. The non-Russian ones are just slightly less moronic than the Russian ones.
        Are you moronic or something you are saying the same thing.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Ukrainians are hurtling full steam ahead into a new European liberal order and discarding the old Soviet paradigm that failed them. If South Korea left the formerly more industrialised North in the dust, why can't Ukraine succeed a stagnating Russia?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Slavs aren't that moronic. We gave a shit ton of equipment to the afghan army and the inbred morons fell to pieces the second the US didn't have boots on the ground. Slavs at least actually make things. Ukraine at least designs and manufactures its own weapons and tanks. What single shitskin country makes anything?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Leadership and national unity plays a massive role in a country's defence. Afghanistan crumbled like stale cookies because all of their leaders were corrupt to the core and hamstrung any serious efforts, which were further sabotaged by greater loyalties to tribe rather than nation. Ukraine enjoys both a fairer government (relatively speaking, as Zelensky has been suspected of corruption himself) and strong national identity with no splinter groups save the separatists. It also helps that Zelenskyy didn't run at the first sign of danger, unlike Ghani.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >All Slavs are moronic.

          The only thing that's "moronic" about any non-Russian slavs is the Russian cultural influence, and Russia wouldn't have conquered shit in the West if it wasn't for Germany and Austria.

          The natural state of Russia, when it isn't tag-teaming Central Europe with Germany, is to be subjugated by it. Central Europe teaming up with America is the best thing that could ever happen to this silly continent.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Damn I guess the Germans lacked the will to fight especially in the late war... FRICK! WHY DID YOU KRAUTS GIVE UP SO EASILY IF ONLY MODERN UKRANIANS WERE AROUND TO ASSIST GERMANY!

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >trained by the US
    >given loads of NATO equipment
    >actually motivated to be there

    Third point is big. Ukrainians know that no matter what, nothing is worse than being under Russia. Sheer Russian incompetence and corruption ensures it. No act of malice Russia intentionally inflicts upon Ukraine can possibly be as destructive as them attempting to govern.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Billions of us tax dollars

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well I'd rather my tax dollars be going to neo-nazis in Ukraine rather than feeding zome unruly, uninvited trespasser a to my homeland. I'd side with Black folk just to prove my hatred of the israelites.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      you will continue paying taxes like a good little cuck for as long as it takes, worm.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why'd that make you seethe tho? The answer is factually: billions of tax dollars. No judgement, that's just what it is. Without it, the war would probably ultimately have ended in the defenders favor, but it would have looked very different. How trans do you have to be to consider that contentious?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Why'd that make you seethe tho?
          Because he assumed (not without reason) that you were posting from Moscow, Idaho-oblast and thus see those billions as a negative despite the fact that it's the best use the American tax payer has gotten for it's dollars in years

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine has been oppressed by geopolitics for all relevant history.
    Culturally they are a fully developed people who see the light at the end of the tunnel to their rightful place in the world.
    Of course they fight like hell.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Desperation

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure the Ukrainians are very motivated fighters, but let's not pretend their zeal makes them effective in strategy, tactics and logistics. They're trading casualties favourably, but not as favourably as western nations do in similar conflicts. They've pulled off big defensive manoeuvres and managed some devastating counterattacks, but they've been sloppy and it's cost them dearly in lives and materiel. They've held on against a larger, more developed force, but they've been bogged down in effective stalemate during Russia's weakest period yet. The reason they've been able to fend off the initial attack, take the initiative and turn the invasion around has little to do with them and everything to do with how fricking moronic Russia's leadership has been. For whatever reason, they've set their entire military up to fail and doubled down, throwing lives and now irreplaceable materiel into the grinder for what could have been a devastatingly pyrrhic victory, but now will likely be a drag-down, bleed-out loss. I don't know why or how this happened. I doubt, unless there's a revolution or anti-Putinist government to release documents from the time, we'll ever know what series of misunderstandings, lies and gambles took place to get a country as large as Russia to kneel down and test the guillotine with an arm before they decided to put their head in.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at Russin cities.
    Look at Donetsk before 2014 and today.
    Look at Russian statistics on anything.
    You'd be a fool not to be motivated to fight until your last dying breath to NOT become part of Russia.
    >4VVDV

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    because 90% of russia as a nation and state is a potemkin village
    there's barely anything real

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's shocking how unexaggerated this view is when you realise practically all of Russia is concentrated in a few big cities, lording over a vast emptiness without central heating or toilets.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians are motivated, have prepared for the eventuality of a full scale Russian invasion, and now are being fully supplied by the largest military force on the planet. Russia on the other hand is still trying to shake off the collapse of the USSR in the 90's and all the corruption and incompetence that it created, and this conflict is only making that even worse as time goes

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      From what some experts have said, they've barely even recovered from the devastation of WW2, especially in their demographics. If even more catastrophes occur for them in this century (e.g. uprisings in the East and Siberia, losing Georgia and Chechnya), Russia might very well go the way of Yugoslavia or Gran Colombia.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >can’t capture donbass for 9 years
    Yeah, no, they’re not effective

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They’re just a mildly competent force in a defensive posture with good morale against an extremely moronic and completely incompetent aggressor. The Japanese weren’t exactly landing men on the moon when they trounced Russia in the Russo-Japanese war
    You don’t have to be an ubermensch super computer to win a war, you just have to be less catastrophically moronic than the other team

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Credit where credit is due, the decision to stall at Bakhmut despite others' misgivings was a masterstroke. They contained a large part of the eastern conflict to an insignificant town while allowing Russia to inflate its importance to a fatal degree. Thus, we now see irreparable damage inflicted on the invading military (which is getting pushed back!) and their leaders' credibility as Prigozhin and the generals screech at each other for failing such a 'simple' objective.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I agree it was a wise move with a long view, limiting the damage the war will cause to other cities in the area and lowering the overall costs of rebuilding.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Most of that stuff is just a happy accident but history books will say it like you did. Its called adapting and sometimes getting lucky.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never underestimate the depths of Russian incompetence

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think their has been a single war that the Russians were not completely incompetent in, and every victory basically only won due to numbers

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        To find a "great power" with a worse record you genuinely have to go back to like the Qing Dynasty or the Ottoman Empire of the 19th century. They are so so bad at war and it's astonishing that they have a reputation for being good at it just because they got bailed out of WW2 with half the world sending them everything they needed.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    lend lease. The answer is always lend lease.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Home advantage
    Motivation
    Given weapons where it counts

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Their whole post-soviet army has had a refurbishment of organizational structure to more closely resemble NATO and their usage of NCOs since 2014.
    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3313982/ncos-key-to-ukrainian-military-successes-against-russia/

    >They've had 8 years of experience fighting Russian-backed insurgent militias in Donbas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

    >Throughout those 8 years they've been briefed and trained by the CIA in how to fight these insurgents as well as Russia itself.
    https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html

    >Ukraine now has more and more modern equipment than Russia thanks to NATO Lend-Lease and equipment captured from Russia.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522

    >Highly motivated due to defensive war to protect their national identity and independence.
    >President pretty much rallied the whole country and the world by simply not fleeing with his tail between his legs on the first week of the war.
    >Russian performance has been pathetic so far so Ukrainians are even more confident.
    I could go on.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's a russian in the picture. I don't think this little girl defeated anyone.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Cause they're not fighting anyone capable or perticularly dangerous.

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Damn the new Softlygaloshes video is fricking wild

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    nazism

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They have experience from the 2014 invasion and have hometurf advantage.
    Kinda like the chechen wars, but less muslims and more complex tactics.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since Russian Empire, Russia has not won any major war without Ukrainians in their ranks.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most of the Ukrainian and Russian military command were learning the same Soviet military doctrines so they fully know and understand what Russians officers will do in any given moment. Zalushny himself said that Gerasimov was basically his mentor

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

      The quote that encapsulates the war, absolutely incredible.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians are human unlike Russians, just from their behavior in this war alone they seem to have infinitely more compassion and moral fortitude than the Russians do. They’re also a lot smarter.

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >motivated to fight and win
    >home/defender advantage
    >moderate western materiel support and infinite intel support
    >fighting against a deeply corrupt, primitive african nation using soviet surplus

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    the russians are using the dregs of their society in a poorly organized manner while the ukies are using the best people that they have wherever they think they will contribute the most to thewar effort. the russians are quite tenacious tho

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >while the ukies are using the best people that they have wherever they think they will contribute the most to thewar effort.
      That's blatantly untrue, the summer offensive in Donbass last year was hard carried by territorial defense units which were mostly middle aged men

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    motivation

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're effective in the way that the Chechens were in the early 90s; their opponent is a moronic mob of plebs, led by a gang of corrupt and feckless wiener sucking yes men.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not to downplay Ukrainian ability, but I suspect the Spetsnaz and shit have been like all of other Russian shit, overhyped. They were just ruthless, not actually efficient. Good for being shoot first ask questions later hostage killing teams, useless when actually fighting someone who can fight back.
    Yes yes, backflip and throw an ax, while you're being shot. Very majestic way to die.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      yea you fricking wish your shithole country had seals who were that cool

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        being "cool" doesn't do shit for your chances of surviving a modern battlefield against a determined enemy. And no amount of training can save you from simple misfortune.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    ukraine is white while r*ssia is gypsy, simple

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      say what you will about gypsies, but they aren't subservient cucks like russians

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    People who fought in almost every war for puccia?
    They even made my great grandfather kill chinks in the 20s and 30s.
    Maybe its magic Cossack genes.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    United ststes tax dollars have always turned even the most 3rd world irregulars into a fighting force to be reckoned with. Every time. Simple as.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      most financial aid to ukraine is being stolen by its leadership. its no different than aid sent to africa. I want russia to lose but its really childish to just pretend ukraine is this bastion of peace and nobility.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        What financial aid is being sent to Ukraine and what leadership steals it?
        Any sources?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          are there any sources you would actually accept?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anything that's not Murdoch/Kreml propaganda and based its information on an Illusory truth effect maybe?
            Especially on the FINANCIAL aid.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/08/08/world-bank-mobilizes-4-5-billion-in-additional-financing-for-vital-support-to-ukraine

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/08/08/world-bank-mobilizes-4-5-billion-in-additional-financing-for-vital-support-to-ukraine
                Yes, and now the embezzling part?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >prove embezzelment

                how many times have you made a similar claim about corrupt governments without proof? its fricking UKRAINE, dude. would you ask for proof of embezzlement if i was talking about India?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Considering the efficiency of the troops and the non revolt of the Ukrainian people in a literal warzone I'd say, yes?
                You are making shit up on a stomach feeling.

  35. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    1. Because they want to.
    2. Because we helped them.
    3. Because the Russians are so fricking stupid.

    Poles, Turks, and others would have fared just as well solo even if you ignore NATO (actually way better). USA has been helping so many fake states like South Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, that we forget what it's like when people have an actual national identity and want to defend themselves.

    You also can't utterly discount the terrible performance of Russia all over.

  36. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Russians are shit clearly

  37. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're fighting assembled Russian subhumans.

  38. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    because they were the real russians (descendants of Rus) all along.

    overglorified muscovite gays and fakes just don't compare

  39. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

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