Why are so few people in first world countries like America or EU willing to fight for their country but in 3rd world shithole s like Russia, India and China they are?
Why are so few people in first world countries like America or EU willing to fight for their country but in 3rd world shithole s like Russia, India and China they are?
What's the point of living if you shit on the streets?
Not patriotic mentality. A good portion are immigrants who don't give a frick either.
More honest. Notice how Russians are not lining up to fight for their country.
>Why are so few people in first world countries like America or EU willing to fight for their country
Because they have a big frick off defensive alliance so powerful that they view "fighting for their country" as killing and dying for rich peoples foreign adventurism in the middle east or wherever.
>but in 3rd world shithole s like Russia, India and China they are?
Because they hate their neighbors and their neighbors hate them, when they think of war it's a much more local affair. Look how red Pakistan and India are for instance. They also think of it as resisting said 1st world adventurism.
>More honest. Notice how Russians are not lining up to fight for their country.
For all their chest thumping Russians are avoiding the war like the plague while Ukrainian has no shortage of volunteers. What you are fighting and dying for matters. The more you view your country and way of life as under threat, the more you are willing to fight.
That is why Russian propaganda has been LARP'ing that Ukraine and NATO are an existential threat to Russia and not, we want to conquer foreign territory. If it were true, they would have those volunteers.
Additionally all we think about war is in an aggressor environment, i.e. "join the military to 'fight' for your country in Aghanista, Iraq, etc."
But once it's about defense it's a WHOLE different story because you don't just fight for your country... you fight for your family, too. And if you consider your own country to be the best place for your family to live, then escape is not an option.
Decades of demoralization and propaganda, lack of knowledge of how shit the rest of the word is and most of all - extremely unreliable data coming from those 3 countries in particular.
Well, in the case of Burgerland, there aren't a lot of immediate threats to the homeland. Beyond our own incompetence and mismanagement, I mean. Oceans to our sides, Canada to the north, Mexico to the south... it's easy for the populace to feel a lack of urgency. It'd be different if there was some belligerent and strong nation on our doorstep, but there isn't one.
So that weeds out people who might be only willing to take up arms in *defense* of a nation, which would get more support.
half of those countries people get sentenced for saying no, no point in polling
Lack of realistic threats. Germans wouldn't fight for their country because who would attack them? Russians have been told all their life that the west and China is itching to burn down their homes, so they are prepared to fight (at least when asked)
>Mexicans are more patriotic than Americans
Because what people say on surveys is representative of how they actually feel. Brilliant thread OP
Demoralization
Because they've all taken the professional army pill. Why the frick would I, a neverserved in his 30s, ever consider fighting when I have a technologically advanced professional army as part of an immense alliance protecting my nation?
My country is so full of foreigners Im scared when a war breaks out the government will deliberately kill off all the original white inhabitants and foreigners will inherit the country.
Potentially the next major war could simply by an Orwellian farce where white men are loaded into ships and sunk out at sea periodically.
Stop being a b***h and make yourself scary to foreigners
Hahahahahahaha holy shit when has a government done that? Killed off it's "original" populace in favor of foreigners?
All of Europe, current year
Delusional
Education. Sane people aren't brainwashed to fight humans of another nation just because some leaders have problems with their ego.
Because would you fight for your country? Is poorly defined and can be roughly split into two categories, would you fight an invading force Vs would you go fight in some godforsaken hole thousands of miles away with no immediate benefit. Secondary to this is level of education particularly about the horrors of war, untrained civilians are generally not so gung ho about rushing into battle when they've learnt about the cornucopia of mental and physical impairments that potentially await them.
Because the West is full of affluent sniveling shits who can just frick off to another country in case of war and leave the rest to rot
Because no loyal gf/wife who will wait for you. Either you have no gf at all or someone who will frick Black folk the moment you leave. What's the point? Biggest demoralising aspect here was indeed feminism.
Mostly comes down to data quality to begin with and manipulation of data by media to get the confirmation bias they want people to see.
The saying of living in a post-truth environment is a bit over used, but its always been to some extent an element of information that really only gained traction due to better information delivery systems like the internet and depth of traditional radio and tv penetration into societies. Its always been there, but the ability to filter through vast amounts of bullshit is really difficult for normal people, its a fricking huge leap for the info-deprived, indoctrinated and just ordinary human beans that like appeals to their own good feels.
Sort of like how we often make fun of psychological health care, crime, medication use in some 1st world countries- we only do that because-
>It actually exists to be used as data points
>it exists as a service of some sort
>there's not as much of an agenda manipulating data
So we see stuff like the UK or US being much more rapey than say, Sub Saharan Africa, because the crimes are reported and to some extent acted on, or say Europe uses more brain meds than Pakistan or India... well that's just because they actually have meds and can use them.
>tl:dr
>everyone gangsta until time to do gangsta shit
We have professional armies, we don't need to. It would be some looney toons shit if someone tried to invade the United States.
Because in first world countries 'fight for your country' is interpreted as 'try to bomb gay marriage into angola'
This is no-shit my biggest gripe with lefties.
>nooo you have to let foreigners come here how can you say our culture is any better! violence bad!
They just refuse to understand that a liberal Western country overrun by nogs and Muslims ceases to be a liberal Western country in short order
Small professional armies, lack of realistic aggressors.
I'm Italian, my country is surrounded by the sea on the south and borders stable EU allies (and fricking Switzerland) on the north. Realistically we are never going to war with them, so why bother?
Any kind of other war would mostly involve the navy and the airforce and there is nothing a normal citizen can do in that sort of situation.
Now if I were Finnish or South Korean it would be different, of course.
"answering" vs "actually fighting"
This. Before WWI some Germans joked that France and Belgium could be taken with German police alone, because French are pussies that doesn't want to fight. You know what happened after. Then Germany did the same mistake again and if not for the 'real stab in the back' the French campaign wouldn't end so fast.
How often are you going to spam variations on this thread
It's called lying.
It's almost like the concept of jingoism is a purpose built tool of control or something.
Because there is nothing left to fight for.
>Your land
The one you rent? Or the one you paid hundreds of thousands for where the government still decides what you're allowed to do on it?
>For your people
I'm not giving my life for a bunch of aspiring doctors, homosexuals and trannies.
>Your family
Really? You're going to die for some 32 year old roastie ready to settle?
>For your freedom
The one that keeps being chipped away day by day, month by month and year by year?
What are you fighting for? To pay rent? For Black folk that would kill you if you had something they want? For trannies that poison the minds of our future generations? For israelites that if it were for them would just lock you in a cube so you work until you die?
So when you're forcibly drafted you're just gonna have a nice day? Works for me.
>Would you fight for your country?
No.
>So you're going to have a nice day?
???
I know this might be hard to grasp for your troon brain but there are other options for normal people. Like moving.
>Like moving.
>Yeah, well, you're within draftable age, so you're not gonna leave the country, sweetcheeks.
>Alternatives are going to prison forever or killing yourself.
>What's it gonna be?
Please explain where this imaginary shithole is youre talking about. Draft dodging and leaving the country isnt a miracle. Its as simple as driving over a fricking border.
>Draft dodging and leaving the country isnt a miracle.
So how are you gonna get there? By plane? By ship? By car? All of them involve border crossings where you can be picked up. This isn't the 90s anymore where no one gives a frick.
Please explain where this imaginary country is first.
*You* are the draft dodger. *You* should know.
You cant make up an imaginary scenario in your head and then expect me to know about it you moron.
You're the one saying that draft dodging is as simple as driving over a fricking border. I want to know what border it is you're referring to.
>or are you secrectly a Vatnik which has no idea what the US's topography and border patrols look like?
First of all none of this was part of the original discussion or the point I made.
Secondly dodging draft is the last option you have, and the only one I had in YOUR scenario you gave me. See
Third and last, the smart way to do it would be to simply move out of the country before a war starts.
None of this even fricking matters anyway because it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread and you bringing up this moronic conflict only confirms that youre another war tourist so im done arguing with you. Go back.
>First of all none of this was part of the original discussion or the point I made.
>Third and last, the smart way to do it would be to simply move out of the country before a war starts
You know that indictments can last decades? Ask Roman Polanski how it feels never to be able to go back again.
>so im done arguing with you
Another surrender. Nice.
I'm not sure what exactly you want him to say, Canada accepted 40k draft dodgers last time there was a draft. its not some huge impossibility, and even if you couldn't get into Canada you can just pay a quack to fake you some health issue as was common during ww2
>Canada accepted 40k draft dodgers last time there was a draft.
And boy, did they pay the price for that during the NAFTA 2.0 negotiations:
>no negotiations at all
>here's the draft, you have seven days to sign, or the deal's off
>it took less than six days
I want to see them try doing that again.
>you can just pay a quack
Is that how that works in Russia?
You'd think the 40k volunteers going the other way would have balanced the books.
http://www.canadiansinvietnam.com/
>"Would you fight for your country?"
Try asking that question directly to someone while in China and expect any answer but "yes."
Against whom? In a war of defense or aggression? Under what leadership? Rational answers to questions like this need to be formulated with a real threat scenario in mind.
We value our lives.
When you ask people from the First world If they would fight for their country they likely think of being deployed to the middle east, to fight one of American forever wars, since until recently No real DirectX threat existed in Europe. India has China and Vice versa, Russian has "the West" as a whole, Finland has Russia and the Lust Gore in.
Btw from What year is that map? Would Love to See If anything Changes with russias Invasion of Ukraine