Why are so few people in first world countries like America or EU willing to fight for their country but in 3rd world shithole s like Russia, India an...

Why are so few people in first world countries like America or EU willing to fight for their country but in 3rd world shithole s like Russia, India and China they are?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of living if you shit on the streets?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not patriotic mentality. A good portion are immigrants who don't give a fuck either.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More honest. Notice how Russians are not lining up to fight for their country.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are so few people in first world countries like America or EU willing to fight for their country
      Because they have a big fuck off defensive alliance so powerful that they view "fighting for their country" as killing and dying for rich peoples foreign adventurism in the middle east or wherever.
      >but in 3rd world shithole s like Russia, India and China they are?
      Because they hate their neighbors and their neighbors hate them, when they think of war it's a much more local affair. Look how red Pakistan and India are for instance. They also think of it as resisting said 1st world adventurism.

      >More honest. Notice how Russians are not lining up to fight for their country.
      For all their chest thumping Russians are avoiding the war like the plague while Ukrainian has no shortage of volunteers. What you are fighting and dying for matters. The more you view your country and way of life as under threat, the more you are willing to fight.
      That is why Russian propaganda has been LARP'ing that Ukraine and NATO are an existential threat to Russia and not, we want to conquer foreign territory. If it were true, they would have those volunteers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Additionally all we think about war is in an aggressor environment, i.e. "join the military to 'fight' for your country in Aghanista, Iraq, etc."

      But once it's about defense it's a WHOLE different story because you don't just fight for your country... you fight for your family, too. And if you consider your own country to be the best place for your family to live, then escape is not an option.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Decades of demoralization and propaganda, lack of knowledge of how shit the rest of the word is and most of all - extremely unreliable data coming from those 3 countries in particular.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, in the case of Burgerland, there aren't a lot of immediate threats to the homeland. Beyond our own incompetence and mismanagement, I mean. Oceans to our sides, Canada to the north, Mexico to the south... it's easy for the populace to feel a lack of urgency. It'd be different if there was some belligerent and strong nation on our doorstep, but there isn't one.

    So that weeds out people who might be only willing to take up arms in *defense* of a nation, which would get more support.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    half of those countries people get sentenced for saying no, no point in polling

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lack of realistic threats. Germans wouldn't fight for their country because who would attack them? Russians have been told all their life that the west and China is itching to burn down their homes, so they are prepared to fight (at least when asked)

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mexicans are more patriotic than Americans

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because what people say on surveys is representative of how they actually feel. Brilliant thread OP

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Demoralization

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they've all taken the professional army pill. Why the fuck would I, a neverserved in his 30s, ever consider fighting when I have a technologically advanced professional army as part of an immense alliance protecting my nation?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My country is so full of foreigners Im scared when a war breaks out the government will deliberately kill off all the original white inhabitants and foreigners will inherit the country.

    Potentially the next major war could simply by an Orwellian farce where white men are loaded into ships and sunk out at sea periodically.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop being a bitch and make yourself scary to foreigners

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hahahahahahaha holy shit when has a government done that? Killed off it's "original" populace in favor of foreigners?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All of Europe, current year

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Delusional

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Education. Sane people aren't brainwashed to fight humans of another nation just because some leaders have problems with their ego.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because would you fight for your country? Is poorly defined and can be roughly split into two categories, would you fight an invading force Vs would you go fight in some godforsaken hole thousands of miles away with no immediate benefit. Secondary to this is level of education particularly about the horrors of war, untrained civilians are generally not so gung ho about rushing into battle when they've learnt about the cornucopia of mental and physical impairments that potentially await them.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the West is full of affluent sniveling shits who can just fuck off to another country in case of war and leave the rest to rot

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because no loyal gf/wife who will wait for you. Either you have no gf at all or someone who will fuck morons the moment you leave. What's the point? Biggest demoralising aspect here was indeed feminism.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly comes down to data quality to begin with and manipulation of data by media to get the confirmation bias they want people to see.
    The saying of living in a post-truth environment is a bit over used, but its always been to some extent an element of information that really only gained traction due to better information delivery systems like the internet and depth of traditional radio and tv penetration into societies. Its always been there, but the ability to filter through vast amounts of bullshit is really difficult for normal people, its a fucking huge leap for the info-deprived, indoctrinated and just ordinary human beans that like appeals to their own good feels.
    Sort of like how we often make fun of psychological health care, crime, medication use in some 1st world countries- we only do that because-
    >It actually exists to be used as data points
    >it exists as a service of some sort
    >there's not as much of an agenda manipulating data
    So we see stuff like the UK or US being much more rapey than say, Sub Saharan Africa, because the crimes are reported and to some extent acted on, or say Europe uses more brain meds than Pakistan or India... well that's just because they actually have meds and can use them.

    >tl:dr
    >everyone gangsta until time to do gangsta shit

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have professional armies, we don't need to. It would be some looney toons shit if someone tried to invade the United States.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because in first world countries 'fight for your country' is interpreted as 'try to bomb gay marriage into angola'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is no-shit my biggest gripe with lefties.
      >nooo you have to let foreigners come here how can you say our culture is any better! violence bad!
      They just refuse to understand that a liberal Western country overrun by nogs and Muslims ceases to be a liberal Western country in short order

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Small professional armies, lack of realistic aggressors.
    I'm Italian, my country is surrounded by the sea on the south and borders stable EU allies (and fucking Switzerland) on the north. Realistically we are never going to war with them, so why bother?
    Any kind of other war would mostly involve the navy and the airforce and there is nothing a normal citizen can do in that sort of situation.

    Now if I were Finnish or South Korean it would be different, of course.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "answering" vs "actually fighting"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Before WWI some Germans joked that France and Belgium could be taken with German police alone, because French are pussies that doesn't want to fight. You know what happened after. Then Germany did the same mistake again and if not for the 'real stab in the back' the French campaign wouldn't end so fast.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How often are you going to spam variations on this thread

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's called lying.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's almost like the concept of jingoism is a purpose built tool of control or something.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because there is nothing left to fight for.
    >Your land
    The one you rent? Or the one you paid hundreds of thousands for where the government still decides what you're allowed to do on it?
    >For your people
    I'm not giving my life for a bunch of aspiring doctors, gays and trannies.
    >Your family
    Really? You're going to die for some 32 year old roastie ready to settle?
    >For your freedom
    The one that keeps being chipped away day by day, month by month and year by year?

    What are you fighting for? To pay rent? For morons that would kill you if you had something they want? For trannies that poison the minds of our future generations? For garden gnomes that if it were for them would just lock you in a cube so you work until you die?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So when you're forcibly drafted you're just gonna have a nice day? Works for me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Would you fight for your country?
        No.
        >So you're going to have a nice day?
        ???
        I know this might be hard to grasp for your chud brain but there are other options for normal people. Like moving.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Like moving.
          >Yeah, well, you're within draftable age, so you're not gonna leave the country, sweetcheeks.
          >Alternatives are going to prison forever or killing yourself.
          >What's it gonna be?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please explain where this imaginary shithole is youre talking about. Draft dodging and leaving the country isnt a miracle. Its as simple as driving over a fucking border.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Draft dodging and leaving the country isnt a miracle.
              So how are you gonna get there? By plane? By ship? By car? All of them involve border crossings where you can be picked up. This isn't the 90s anymore where no one gives a fuck.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please explain where this imaginary country is first.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *You* are the draft dodger. *You* should know.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cant make up an imaginary scenario in your head and then expect me to know about it you moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one saying that draft dodging is as simple as driving over a fucking border. I want to know what border it is you're referring to.
                >or are you secrectly a Vatnik which has no idea what the US's topography and border patrols look like?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                First of all none of this was part of the original discussion or the point I made.
                Secondly dodging draft is the last option you have, and the only one I had in YOUR scenario you gave me. See

                So when you're forcibly drafted you're just gonna have a nice day? Works for me.

                Third and last, the smart way to do it would be to simply move out of the country before a war starts.
                None of this even fucking matters anyway because it has nothing to do with the topic of the thread and you bringing up this retarded conflict only confirms that youre another war tourist so im done arguing with you. Go back.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >First of all none of this was part of the original discussion or the point I made.

                Please explain where this imaginary shithole is youre talking about. Draft dodging and leaving the country isnt a miracle. Its as simple as driving over a fucking border.

                >Third and last, the smart way to do it would be to simply move out of the country before a war starts
                You know that indictments can last decades? Ask Roman Polanski how it feels never to be able to go back again.

                >so im done arguing with you
                Another surrender. Nice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not sure what exactly you want him to say, Canada accepted 40k draft dodgers last time there was a draft. its not some huge impossibility, and even if you couldn't get into Canada you can just pay a quack to fake you some health issue as was common during ww2

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Canada accepted 40k draft dodgers last time there was a draft.
                And boy, did they pay the price for that during the NAFTA 2.0 negotiations:
                >no negotiations at all
                >here's the draft, you have seven days to sign, or the deal's off
                >it took less than six days
                I want to see them try doing that again.

                >you can just pay a quack
                Is that how that works in Russia?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You'd think the 40k volunteers going the other way would have balanced the books.

                http://www.canadiansinvietnam.com/

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Would you fight for your country?"
    Try asking that question directly to someone while in China and expect any answer but "yes."

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Against whom? In a war of defense or aggression? Under what leadership? Rational answers to questions like this need to be formulated with a real threat scenario in mind.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We value our lives.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When you ask people from the First world If they would fight for their country they likely think of being deployed to the middle east, to fight one of American forever wars, since until recently No real DirectX threat existed in Europe. India has China and Vice versa, Russian has "the West" as a whole, Finland has Russia and the Lust Gore in.
    Btw from What year is that map? Would Love to See If anything Changes with russias Invasion of Ukraine

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