M855 costs more than M193 and has worse effects on target, though it does have a slightly higher BC, but not as high as MK262.
There's not much point to using green tip if you aren't issued the stuff. As a civilian, we can buy much more effective stuff than either load and still stack deep on M193. Or Mk262 if you're a richgay
Personally I like 62 grain. I don't think the difference in velocity matters much since they both hit above 3000 fps and I'd rather have the little bit of extra penetration, weight retention, and sectional density. Plus it's not much more expensive
M855 advantages >Can penetrate a very specific piece of metal at a very specific distance that vaguely resembles an archaic vatnik helmet >Is "mil spec" (like acu camo, omelette MREs, and other quality kit)
The vast majority of ceramic Level III plates stop M855.
>77gr >loses all the benefits of 5.56
Ngmi anon, might aswell stop coping and get 300 blacked instead
Actual moron. Damage is not solely dependent on velocity. 77 gr TMK is an expanding bullet that fragments to a greater degree, is less affected by wind, and retains effective terminal performance out to a far longer range than M193.
The vast majority of ceramic Level III plates stop M855.
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Actual moron. Damage is not solely dependent on velocity. 77 gr TMK is an expanding bullet that fragments to a greater degree, is less affected by wind, and retains effective terminal performance out to a far longer range than M193.
Only level 3. It's 2023. No one has level 3 plates anymore
Even many UHMWPE plates stop M855. M193 on the other hand can zip through steel better, which includes both plates and homemade armor.
The UHMWPE penetration capability of M855 is really pretty nominal yes. Given that the combination of real world ranges, angles, and safety margins will very likely conspire to result in a failure to penetrate.
That being said I think I’ve seen only 1 or 2 Level III pure UHMWPE plates stop M855 consistently out of a 16” barrel at NIJ testing distances, and I’m not certain about that.
>M193 >better and more consistent terminal ballistics >at close ranges and out of long barrels it actually penetrates some of the shitty steel "lvl III" plates that M855 won't, due to the higher velocity
... >M855 >has a cool looking green tip I guess
Seeing as my Sporter is of 1968 vintage with the 1:16” rifling, it’s M-193 for me!
I was in the Marines when we got the M16A2. A Pogue-designed gun for the benefit of Pogues.
Completely fricked up the entire point of the terminal ballistics design in the chase for “muh better ACCURACY!”.
Frankly, even the 1:16” twist was an Army BUord frick-up. Should have left it at 1:18” like the original. You don’t need tack drivers when 30 buttholes are taking pot shots at Luke the asiatic.
Someone is gonna ding him, and when that happens, you need that yawing and tumbling in his guts to frick up his Little Yellow Maoist Love Machine.
Not punch little .22 holes through and through.
>1968 vintage with the 1:16” rifling >Should have left it at 1:18”
The original was 1:14" and there is no SP1 (Colt R6000) with a twist rate slower than 1:12"
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M855 costs more than M193 and has worse effects on target, though it does have a slightly higher BC, but not as high as MK262.
There's not much point to using green tip if you aren't issued the stuff. As a civilian, we can buy much more effective stuff than either load and still stack deep on M193. Or Mk262 if you're a richgay
Mk262
77gr otmhp
55gr is fine out of longer barrels or for practice
what is 73gr Tipped
what is 77gr TMK
What is anything OTHER than m855 and M193
>What is anything OTHER than m855 and M193
more expensive is what it is
>77gr
>loses all the benefits of 5.56
Ngmi anon, might aswell stop coping and get 300 blacked instead
I don't feel strongly about 5.56. There are so many better calibers and more important choices to make.
Personally I like 62 grain. I don't think the difference in velocity matters much since they both hit above 3000 fps and I'd rather have the little bit of extra penetration, weight retention, and sectional density. Plus it's not much more expensive
M8555a!1>mk318>Black Hills 50 grain> m193>m855
fight me
I prefer M193 because of the slightly higher velocity. For home defense I have a mag full of Speer gold dot law enforcement 62 grain.
M193 benefits
>slightly cheaper
>better terminal performance
>Higher velocity
M855 advantages
>Can penetrate a very specific piece of metal at a very specific distance that vaguely resembles an archaic vatnik helmet
>Is "mil spec" (like acu camo, omelette MREs, and other quality kit)
>M855 advantages
You can ventilate ceramic/UHMWPE plates with it
Only level 3. It's 2023. No one has level 3 plates anymore
The vast majority of ceramic Level III plates stop M855.
Actual moron. Damage is not solely dependent on velocity. 77 gr TMK is an expanding bullet that fragments to a greater degree, is less affected by wind, and retains effective terminal performance out to a far longer range than M193.
Even many UHMWPE plates stop M855. M193 on the other hand can zip through steel better, which includes both plates and homemade armor.
The UHMWPE penetration capability of M855 is really pretty nominal yes. Given that the combination of real world ranges, angles, and safety margins will very likely conspire to result in a failure to penetrate.
That being said I think I’ve seen only 1 or 2 Level III pure UHMWPE plates stop M855 consistently out of a 16” barrel at NIJ testing distances, and I’m not certain about that.
Who the frick likes M855, besides maybe infantrymen? I have a bunch, and it mostly just sits around since you can't use it on steel targets.
I only really use it when I hunt hogs with my AR (which I rarely do anymore) or when I'm zeroing a rifle on paper.
Why would you zero a rifle with it if you otherwise don't use it? The a fore mentioned hog hunting?
M855A1 ofc.
>M193
>better and more consistent terminal ballistics
>at close ranges and out of long barrels it actually penetrates some of the shitty steel "lvl III" plates that M855 won't, due to the higher velocity
...
>M855
>has a cool looking green tip I guess
The extra 7 grains does help with wind at range.
If I'm expecting the possibility of needing to shoot through windshields, m855. Otherwise, m193.
Crayons
Seeing as my Sporter is of 1968 vintage with the 1:16” rifling, it’s M-193 for me!
I was in the Marines when we got the M16A2. A Pogue-designed gun for the benefit of Pogues.
Completely fricked up the entire point of the terminal ballistics design in the chase for “muh better ACCURACY!”.
Frankly, even the 1:16” twist was an Army BUord frick-up. Should have left it at 1:18” like the original. You don’t need tack drivers when 30 buttholes are taking pot shots at Luke the asiatic.
Someone is gonna ding him, and when that happens, you need that yawing and tumbling in his guts to frick up his Little Yellow Maoist Love Machine.
Not punch little .22 holes through and through.
>1968 vintage with the 1:16” rifling
>Should have left it at 1:18”
The original was 1:14" and there is no SP1 (Colt R6000) with a twist rate slower than 1:12"
Whatever is cheaper on ammoseek that week. You do have rifles of different twist rates and barrel length, right?
193 because indoor ranges don't let me shoot 855 🙁