I like this eno hammock tarp that I pitch on the ground. It was simple to modify. I just cut the long guyout lines down to size and sewed some duct tape grommets to the middle, to prevent sagging.
Pros: >Provides the shelter of a tent, but little condensation when I wake up >Packs lighter and smaller than any tent
Cons: >No protection from biting insects - I can only use it in dry areas >Complicated to set up, especially in the rain. Equalizing the tension across the shelter is a b***h >Does not stand up well to strong winds
do those kind of tarp-tipi/tent set ups on the ground actually keep the rain out? i can see it being fine for a little drizzle but any proper storm i would imagine the water just flows down onto you from the space between the tarp and the ground
That’s just a regular tarp that’s been set up in that configuration. There’s nothing special about the tarp. But no, it doesn’t keep much rain out set up like that. People set them up like that to block whatever wind might be blowing and to create a sense of space (for coziness). If it were going to rain it would be setup differently.
right now i'm rocking this setup in the pnw: >9'x9' silpoly tarp forgot what brand >nemo switchback, cut down a bit smaller >hg burrow 20* quilt >sea to summit nano mosquito net >borah ultralight bivy >apex 2.5 quilt and generic chink inflatable pad to swap in during summer
what's good about it: >super versatile with campsite selection >super ultralight >modular, only bring what i need for the weather >no condensation issues, adjustable to let a nice breeze in or be fully protective
what sucks about it: >r value on ccf pads is a bit limiting >limited placebo peace of mind from large animals >the bug bivy is sort of a cope compared to just sleeping in an fully enclosed tent
dunno: >just bought the quilt, not sure if i like it more than a mummy bag yet.
depends how low you pitch it, & when you anticipate a ton of rain you throw a bivy underneath it.
something like this
https://i.imgur.com/QNpWyzn.jpg
Sierra Designs back country bivy with a 15D tarp.
handles condensation remarkably well. although, can be annoying when the edges of my pad absorb a little moisture camping near rivers. i'm packed to leave at first light and don't have time to let it dry properly.
will protect you in a full on storm and something like the one i use https://borahgear.com/ultralightbivy.html will keep splashes off your bag in mild prolonged rains.
bivy's have condensation issues so the "less" bivy you can get away with the better usually.
Kelly brush creek 1 >Pros: light, easy to set up, keeps out rain and bugs, doesn't need to be staked, small pack size, small footprint >cons: I live in a very mountainous area and I can't just pitch it anywhere like a hammock but that isn't usually much of a problem.
My Hilleberg Enan. Sometimes I wish I had just a little bit more space but oh well. It's kind of useless when its really cold because of condensation, so it's not usable during the coldest nights. Other than that I love it.
I've been looking into these styles of tents because they look very reliable in all conditions. Hilleberg Enan/ Akto aren't worth it from what I've seen. Tarptent Moment is a lot cheaper and doesn't have condensation issues.
Can vouch for the brand. We didn't expect snowfall and I woke up to a thin layer covering all of my tent. I've never camped in snow and was unprepared but it did great.
Do you have the liner for the rainbow? Does it work well at blocking condensation? I narrowed it down to the notch and moment because they are double wall but would love to have the interior space of the rainbow. I've also read that the rainbow doesnt do as well in the wind
I get what you mean but for me the only relevant tent brands are Hilleberg or Helsport. Nothing else comes even close in terms of quality. I'm from Norway so money has never been an issue for me, therefore the cost arguments never work against me lol
11ft netless Dutchware hammock with an old Wilderness Logics bug net and a Warbonnet Mamajamba tarp.
The bug net is just a tad too short, and is starting to tear. The idea behind a non-sewn net is that I have full bug protection when I’m not using an under quilt, but those times are rare, and I’m thinking permethrin would probably be enough.
My tarp is fairly old. I bought it before silpoly was common, so it’s silnylon. It’s gotten a little floppy in extended rain showers, before I had self tensioning guylines. The newer Warbonnet tarps all have beaks, which seems pretty nice.
So my next setup will be the same material hammock (Hexon 1.0) but with an attached bugnet, and a silpoly tarp with beaks.
handles condensation remarkably well. although, can be annoying when the edges of my pad absorb a little moisture camping near rivers. i'm packed to leave at first light and don't have time to let it dry properly.
I have a Cabela's branded 3 person tent, a military surplus camouflage bivy, Eno hammock and a few tarps. I can stay comfortable and keep my gear dry even in bad weather but it is a lot of stuff to take.
> hammock > tarp and cord > setup/takedown at sunrise & sunset so the 300lb park ranger doesn’t yell at me for “damaging” the tree that just primary succession’d a fricking wildfire
>MSR hubba hubba tent >Sea to summit comfort plus pad >Nemo kyan 20
Biggest issue is the weight and size. I'm not a manlet or a woman though so a 40 pound pack doesn't bother me. I like it because it works four seasons where I live, keeps bugs out, is comfortable and easy to set up. I also like hiking with another person and can split up the tent.
also I thought tarps were more of a reddit meme. If theres bugs, rain or snow just sacrifice two pounds and bring a tent. If theres none of those things go cowboy camping. Is it for wind? or privacy?
https://thetrek.co/appalachian-trail/the-top-shelters-on-the-appalachian-trail-2021-thru-hiker-survey/
like 4% of thru hikers use tarps
its only popular with really experienced thru hikers. hence why its the only shelter where its users have an over 100% completion rate (some people ditch their tents for tarps along the way)
i would not recommend one on your first thru hike.
tarps and tents wind up weighing the same if we're talking high end backpacker single wall tents. the main reason tarp lovers like tarps is the versatility and supreme campsite selection. they do fine in rain and snow, you sleep in a bivy underneath. bugs are the only one there isn't that great of a solution for in non bivy weather. mesh bug netting bivy's are a thing but it brings your shelter weight to being the same as a tent.
main reason i hear other tarpgays say they like tarps is something to do with connection to nature and feeling like its larp to spend the night inside an enclosed tent. for me i don't care about all that, i just like not having to worry about condensation and being able to fine tune if i want my shelter to have a nice breeze or be storm tight. and the campsite selection.
>no condensation
yeah that is based >campsite selection
can you explain this? like you can set up in more densely wooded areas where a tent wouldnt fit?
Based ruck manlet. UL is another thing that can come off pretty reddity. If you're a legit throughhiker I get being pretty aggressive about weight. If you're me and do a few trips a year that are less than 100 miles it really shouldn't matter. I would carry even cheaper and heavier stuff if most of it wasn't gifted to me. In the military we would carry all the normal stuff plus days of wet food (MREs), our rifles, body armor, a legit shovel, multiple pairs of boots. 70 pounds of shit was considered very light and we were often forced marching at least 3 miles an hour.
Yeah I know there are plenty of reditors who have finished long through hikes. Kinda like how Alan Turing was a homosexual but also is the father of computer science (one of the good ones).
>i would not recommend one on your first thru hike.
actually maybe not.
if you're doing something like pct sobo its actually pretty galaxy brain to start with a tent, then mail it home and switch to a tarp after washington.
Current set up. Just a 10 foot square diamond fly I got from Spring Vally Tents
https://www.springvalleylodges.com/ ive also bought there ranger pack and canvas snapsack. I put it all on a packframe I built myself.
Its a heavy bastard with a 50-60 pounds of gear Im humping if Im going 100%authentic 18th century.
I like this eno hammock tarp that I pitch on the ground. It was simple to modify. I just cut the long guyout lines down to size and sewed some duct tape grommets to the middle, to prevent sagging.
Pros:
>Provides the shelter of a tent, but little condensation when I wake up
>Packs lighter and smaller than any tent
Cons:
>No protection from biting insects - I can only use it in dry areas
>Complicated to set up, especially in the rain. Equalizing the tension across the shelter is a b***h
>Does not stand up well to strong winds
do those kind of tarp-tipi/tent set ups on the ground actually keep the rain out? i can see it being fine for a little drizzle but any proper storm i would imagine the water just flows down onto you from the space between the tarp and the ground
That’s just a regular tarp that’s been set up in that configuration. There’s nothing special about the tarp. But no, it doesn’t keep much rain out set up like that. People set them up like that to block whatever wind might be blowing and to create a sense of space (for coziness). If it were going to rain it would be setup differently.
Tents that can be setup in a fly-only configuration are basically the best all around shelters for modularity.
right now i'm rocking this setup in the pnw:
>9'x9' silpoly tarp forgot what brand
>nemo switchback, cut down a bit smaller
>hg burrow 20* quilt
>sea to summit nano mosquito net
>borah ultralight bivy
>apex 2.5 quilt and generic chink inflatable pad to swap in during summer
what's good about it:
>super versatile with campsite selection
>super ultralight
>modular, only bring what i need for the weather
>no condensation issues, adjustable to let a nice breeze in or be fully protective
what sucks about it:
>r value on ccf pads is a bit limiting
>limited placebo peace of mind from large animals
>the bug bivy is sort of a cope compared to just sleeping in an fully enclosed tent
dunno:
>just bought the quilt, not sure if i like it more than a mummy bag yet.
depends how low you pitch it, & when you anticipate a ton of rain you throw a bivy underneath it.
something like this
will protect you in a full on storm and something like the one i use https://borahgear.com/ultralightbivy.html will keep splashes off your bag in mild prolonged rains.
bivy's have condensation issues so the "less" bivy you can get away with the better usually.
Kelly brush creek 1
>Pros: light, easy to set up, keeps out rain and bugs, doesn't need to be staked, small pack size, small footprint
>cons: I live in a very mountainous area and I can't just pitch it anywhere like a hammock but that isn't usually much of a problem.
My Hilleberg Enan. Sometimes I wish I had just a little bit more space but oh well. It's kind of useless when its really cold because of condensation, so it's not usable during the coldest nights. Other than that I love it.
I've been looking into these styles of tents because they look very reliable in all conditions. Hilleberg Enan/ Akto aren't worth it from what I've seen. Tarptent Moment is a lot cheaper and doesn't have condensation issues.
Can vouch for the brand. We didn't expect snowfall and I woke up to a thin layer covering all of my tent. I've never camped in snow and was unprepared but it did great.
Do you have the liner for the rainbow? Does it work well at blocking condensation? I narrowed it down to the notch and moment because they are double wall but would love to have the interior space of the rainbow. I've also read that the rainbow doesnt do as well in the wind
I get what you mean but for me the only relevant tent brands are Hilleberg or Helsport. Nothing else comes even close in terms of quality. I'm from Norway so money has never been an issue for me, therefore the cost arguments never work against me lol
11ft netless Dutchware hammock with an old Wilderness Logics bug net and a Warbonnet Mamajamba tarp.
The bug net is just a tad too short, and is starting to tear. The idea behind a non-sewn net is that I have full bug protection when I’m not using an under quilt, but those times are rare, and I’m thinking permethrin would probably be enough.
My tarp is fairly old. I bought it before silpoly was common, so it’s silnylon. It’s gotten a little floppy in extended rain showers, before I had self tensioning guylines. The newer Warbonnet tarps all have beaks, which seems pretty nice.
So my next setup will be the same material hammock (Hexon 1.0) but with an attached bugnet, and a silpoly tarp with beaks.
>shelter
Hilleberg Akto
>worst thing about it
the price, and you can't adjust the ground vents from the inside easily.
Sierra Designs back country bivy with a 15D tarp.
handles condensation remarkably well. although, can be annoying when the edges of my pad absorb a little moisture camping near rivers. i'm packed to leave at first light and don't have time to let it dry properly.
Do they make bivys with feet vents?
I have a Cabela's branded 3 person tent, a military surplus camouflage bivy, Eno hammock and a few tarps. I can stay comfortable and keep my gear dry even in bad weather but it is a lot of stuff to take.
Sleeping bag, bed roll/yoga mat and an inflatable pillow. I'll set up a tarp if I think it will rain. Sinple
tarp + hammock
>lack of wind / rain protection
tent
>weight, cost
this
worst thing's? none.
frick off adbot, no one wants your shitty bivy
> hammock
> tarp and cord
> setup/takedown at sunrise & sunset so the 300lb park ranger doesn’t yell at me for “damaging” the tree that just primary succession’d a fricking wildfire
10x10 tarp origami. Doesn't keep insects out very well in warmer months.
>MSR hubba hubba tent
>Sea to summit comfort plus pad
>Nemo kyan 20
Biggest issue is the weight and size. I'm not a manlet or a woman though so a 40 pound pack doesn't bother me. I like it because it works four seasons where I live, keeps bugs out, is comfortable and easy to set up. I also like hiking with another person and can split up the tent.
also I thought tarps were more of a reddit meme. If theres bugs, rain or snow just sacrifice two pounds and bring a tent. If theres none of those things go cowboy camping. Is it for wind? or privacy?
https://thetrek.co/appalachian-trail/the-top-shelters-on-the-appalachian-trail-2021-thru-hiker-survey/
like 4% of thru hikers use tarps
its only popular with really experienced thru hikers. hence why its the only shelter where its users have an over 100% completion rate (some people ditch their tents for tarps along the way)
i would not recommend one on your first thru hike.
tarps and tents wind up weighing the same if we're talking high end backpacker single wall tents. the main reason tarp lovers like tarps is the versatility and supreme campsite selection. they do fine in rain and snow, you sleep in a bivy underneath. bugs are the only one there isn't that great of a solution for in non bivy weather. mesh bug netting bivy's are a thing but it brings your shelter weight to being the same as a tent.
main reason i hear other tarpgays say they like tarps is something to do with connection to nature and feeling like its larp to spend the night inside an enclosed tent. for me i don't care about all that, i just like not having to worry about condensation and being able to fine tune if i want my shelter to have a nice breeze or be storm tight. and the campsite selection.
>no condensation
yeah that is based
>campsite selection
can you explain this? like you can set up in more densely wooded areas where a tent wouldnt fit?
I'm a manlet who barely weighs 130lbs but I always bring a backpack that weighs over 40lbs.
Based ruck manlet. UL is another thing that can come off pretty reddity. If you're a legit throughhiker I get being pretty aggressive about weight. If you're me and do a few trips a year that are less than 100 miles it really shouldn't matter. I would carry even cheaper and heavier stuff if most of it wasn't gifted to me. In the military we would carry all the normal stuff plus days of wet food (MREs), our rifles, body armor, a legit shovel, multiple pairs of boots. 70 pounds of shit was considered very light and we were often forced marching at least 3 miles an hour.
>reddity
>legit throughhiker
you know most thru hikers post on reddit right?
Yeah I know there are plenty of reditors who have finished long through hikes. Kinda like how Alan Turing was a homosexual but also is the father of computer science (one of the good ones).
>i would not recommend one on your first thru hike.
actually maybe not.
if you're doing something like pct sobo its actually pretty galaxy brain to start with a tent, then mail it home and switch to a tarp after washington.
I thought washington is the last leg
thats why i said pct sobo. southbound.
I thought you mistyped solo. Gotcha.
>Con
Price and the tree straps are too short
>Pro
Really comfortable and decently warm for a hammock.
Haven safari i got from my gf for bike camping.
Very kino, esp. with the snow follow.
If you get a chance you gotta try a haven, i was skeptical but i can sleep in it very well it.
Current set up. Just a 10 foot square diamond fly I got from Spring Vally Tents
https://www.springvalleylodges.com/ ive also bought there ranger pack and canvas snapsack. I put it all on a packframe I built myself.
Its a heavy bastard with a 50-60 pounds of gear Im humping if Im going 100%authentic 18th century.