what's the best way to be invisible on infrared? space blanket? bury yourself in dirt?
what's the best way to be invisible on infrared? space blanket? bury yourself in dirt?
what's the best way to be invisible on infrared? space blanket? bury yourself in dirt?
Cover up skin as much as possible, preferably with fatigues that have had the IR reduction treatment. After that be mindful of the fact that you may be observed at all times, and try to stay in visual cover whenever you can.
>Cover up skin as much as possible
with what if reductives aren't available? body heat goes straight thru clothes
Just wear one of them fancy space suits that NASA uses for space walks. ezpz
Fire~
Nearly every method involves being behind hard cover.
Nearly every other method is just a temporary measure, or uses a coolant system that will last for only a certain amount of time.
The thing is if they have been chasing you, and then you disappear, then they still know the area you are hiding in.
One idea seems to be a regular A-frame design with camo netting, over top your existing shelter or hide site. The camo net can be far enough from your skin to reach ambient temperature.
Isn't the idea behind such counter tracking where you leave a trail then "disappear" is to circle back to a spot where you can watch the area where you were last seen and give them a surprise?
>One idea seems to be a regular A-frame design with camo netting, over top your existing shelter or hide site. The camo net can be far enough from your skin to reach ambient temperature.
This is the only way period.
An a-frame is ideal because both ends are open. There has to be enough volume and airflow betweeen your primary and a-frame for air to constantly move out and not pool up under the canopy.
It's still not ideal. You're fighting Inverse Cube on blackbody radiation and entropy. You still have to expel the heat from the ends of the a-frame, and on current IR it's entirely possible for a CS undergrad student to write a program to patch the fine-resolution needed to see the heat coming out the ends of the canopy, and patch that into the picture where the IR coarsness also doesn't 'white-out' or oversaturate on meaningful IR for vehicles and body.
You can tell I'm not an IR specialist nor do you need to be. Basic physics are the answer and the answer is irrefutable.
You cannot ultimately hide from IR. The software tools are powerful enough that with multiple CCDs or whatever they're using, you can patch both fine-vernier and coarse into one picture.
This is basic game-dev shit too, I know that.
>You're fighting Inverse Cube on blackbody radiation and entropy
Word salad. You're larping.
No he isn't, you're just sub 130 IQ.
An option here for not wanting airflow to create heat-leaks through the sides: maybe use the ground as a thermal sink. Given a sealed box, Take some coolant rods (sealed copper tubes with a vacuum and a little water) and drive them into the ground under your tent. If you can get a few feet down into the ground then you'll be able to do heat transfer with the normalized earth temperature of about 60.
You'd probably need to do some math and/or testing to figure out how to regulate and normalize between the heat of the exterior environment, the body, and the and heat sink interaction with the 60~ degree earth. But you could create some kind of equilibrium that doesn't result in an obvious cold spot.
There is a lower tech version of this that's seen plenty of real world use: make your hide underground. Spider holes are great for this.
Become cold blooded
>Become cold blooded
Tell me you're a moron, without telling me you're a moron. Cold blooded doesn't mean cold blood, it just means you can't regulate your body temperature well.
Lizardman spotted, go back to your heat lamp fork tongue
>it just means you can't regulate your body temperature well
It actually means you can't regulate your body temp at all. So you would be very close to whatever ambient temperature is. You fricking uneducated layman piece of trash, stay in your lane dumb Black person
https://modernsurvivalblog.com/security/how-to-block-ir-infrared-thermal-imaging/
Comments on it are great
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holy shit it is real
>Why am I being stalked, also internet strangers, heres my personal address
I want to get a DJI mavic and just fly it over her.
Provided you aren't on the battlefield where you have to hold a specific piece of terrain your best bet is to get out of the area before [they] can deploy a helicopter or drone equipped with FLIR.
comment on this video saying an umbrella with ghillie blocks it
An umbrella would block it tho
When 4k sensors hit and then active computer detection with overlay. It's game over. Avoid any line of sight and just don't be seen which will result in guaranteed death in a short time window.
Spooky shit.
Yeah man it's gonna be fricked for infantry, even image processing algorithms have come along way the last 10 years and have reached mainstream commercialisation.
Agree on avoid line of sight, think gyro stabilised .50 cal with high speed stepper motor and HD 360 camera that can detect human shapes within milliseconds.
Forget about the 50 cal, imagine thousands of switchblade style drones that are being automatically guided onto any target that drone/satellite footage finds.
when will Switchblades get built-in target facial recognition?
Suicide micro drone swarms clearing buildings is going to the scariest fricking thing imaginable and will become a reality.
>LIDAR aimed high wattage UV lasers and now wall mounted.
I also wonder about high sensitivity anti radiation loitering munitions.
The cat and mouse game might get nuts.
>I also wonder about high sensitivity anti radiation loitering munitions.
The US was developing them in the mid 90s. They were called Low Cost Autonomous Attack System (LOCAAS). A miniature loitering UAV with a 33nmi search area and 30 minute powered flight time. It was GPS/INS guided to its designated search area, and then would switch to LADAR to scan for targets. Once it found a target, it would compare the return to it's 3-D threat library, identify it, and select the warhead mode best suited for the target: long rod penetrator, an aerostable slug, or as fragments based on the hardness of the target. It could be loaded into the cluster munition dispenser of the SUU-64/B for air launch, or the cluster ATACMS for ground launch. But, it was canceled for some reason.
https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/locaas.html
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/3-The-Air-Force-LOCAAS-Program-is-Using-3-D-Template-Matching-ATR-Concepts-Similar-to_fig5_235114019
Yes, it will be. The new meta will be aerial swarms of counter drone-drones deployed from nests.
And interior rapid, automated deployment, physical impediments. Which will be arms raced against via other typed of breacher drones. Nets? Netcutters, walls? Wall busters. Etcetera.
>the virgin automated microdrone defense system
>the chad 2000lb bomb
Who would win?
What if you want to slaughter all the people inside without damaging anything?
Then you're fricked because microdrones are either 1) not strong enough to carry a big enough breaching charge or 2) have a breaching charge big enough to cut in though multiple layers of hanging blankets, locked doors or concrete walls and frick up everything in the process of finding out if ppl are even inside.
>not strong enough to carry a big enough breaching charge
imagine continuous streams of thousands of tiny drones flowing into the building from multiple entry points, examining every corner and exploding on contact with any recognized target until it is no longer recognized as a target
>let's make our munitions really weak and arriving in a stream instead of all at once so they're easier to defend against
Or I could call a 2000lb bomb. Faster, safer, more reliable.
Already a thing that exists for armored vehicle destruction. Little drone comes up, magnetically attaches with a shaped charge, boom. Everyone in armored vehicle dead. Just not deployed in the mainstream.
It's nice that terminator is becoming real but nobody cares to stop
in the meantime it is still a human authorizing the drone to fire. Ukraine is the COTS drone capability in warfare.
But don't think that "the super secret CIA drone shit" is that much better, more refined, but also generally the largest drones, and not much in the small categories.
Just ask Carl...
thanks for reminding me
Everyone knows you use automotive safety glass. Look at any targeted killing footage from Iraq, thermal/ir can't see the target through car windows.
That is because any glass blocks IR. Won't do shit against visible spectrum stuff though.
Ivan, be of spray painting glass with camo paint, now we make pyrex plate mail and be like predator!
The problem is, you've created something that is uniformly opaque in the IR spectrum. Basically a human shaped black blob.
Thats the fundamental reason carl carwindows wouldn't work. You need something that has a bit of noise. Something that blends in with the surroundings.
Obviously that is why you carry a body shield to go with your glass plate mail while your squire pushes a glass mantlet.
He also carries a bow with parachute tips that unfurl a banner with a ir reflector in the shape of a human doing a low crawl behind it. When the idiots in the helicopter shoot the decoys he takes them out.
C'mon... If you are going to evoke Carl, post it in full...
Hey, someone made pasta from my window idea, thanks!
Hang on
What about woven fiberoptic "fabric"?
You dont even need hard cover, you just need a thin material, with a gap so no contact. Literally cardboard works.
>former recon c**t
Neat, I'm saving this image and ordering two mylar blankets.
just get 20 you never know if you need to use and abandon a few or give some to buddies.
My first thought was exactly something like this, airgapped/supported mylar under burlap or some other natural looking textile with leaves/twigs over it, good to know it works. Probably fairly cozy in there too overnight.
Soft cover will work to block thermal signature as long as there is an offset between the material and your body sufficient to prevent heat transfer. Big puffy ghilie suits work decently for this reason, especially when paired with an insulated baselayer to further delay heat transfer to the exterior fabric. For static Anti-SWIR-Surveillance, any sort of thick netting with similar thermal characteristics to your backdrop will work as long as it isn't touching anything with a different thermal characteristic(you, your metal gear, etc.)
That being said, the real thing that's gonna frick you in the woods is AMMOR which will programmatically detect objects that are manmade and highlight them to the operator. Even the JSOC guys have a ton of trouble defeating those in training exercises. That's the real reason why you want to avoid LOS versus any peer ISR assets. Not to mention the SAR...
Very similar to what the more squared away dudes in Afghanistan would often do. Good to see that we've been learning from the enemy.
The more mass blocking you from the IR camera the better. Insulation like a space blanket helps, but you'd want more layers than just the space blanket. Also you're still visible to the IR camera, you just won't be glowing brightly like a candle.
car window
https://relvcamo.com/product/relv-eclipse-thermal-hide/
You can't really be invisible due to the nature of your heat signature. You can help with IR treated clothes and certain types of cover, but whenever you're out of cover and actually operating or doing anything you're easily identifiable and a sitting duck unless you can identify the enemy before they snipe or blow you to bits.
I guess the best advise is don't be in a situation where you get IR on you if at all possible, and don't stay in one place for too long.
Igloo.
Any naturally occuring solid object is your best option, as the best way to not get detected is to always have a wall between you and the sensor, just like any other type of concealment. Barring that, something like the israeli Kit 300 is probably your best bet. You can't make yourself invisible to infared, unless you manage to pipe all of your body heat into a heat sink it'll always leak out through some hole or another. As such, your best bet is to vent it in such a way that doesn't suggest you're a human. This thing does just that on top of offering conventional camouflage, though I'd imagine the windoe you stick your rifle through creates a bit of an undesired hotspot.
>windoe
I don't believe in proofreading, it is a CIA psi-op.
sweet elven cloak
>space blanket
has it's own unique signature which a bit of code gets the sensor to detect
TechShield OSB plywood
(Thank me later)
You can't. For reference using kinda old thermal you could read road signs due to the lettering being black so warmer for at least an hour past sun set. I watched a mouse run around in the desert at 6km. Even letting a vehicle cool to ambient temperature still looks like a vehicle, if of a similar temperature. It's not even like a vehicle shape but detail of all the junk on the side of it and the suspension is clear as day.
You can hide from thermal by getting out of line of sight.
Once sensor resolution improves all of those issues go away. Even IR camo will be pointless because you will see the guy standing there clear as day. Being out of line of sight really is the only solution.
Staying out of LOS means non-LOS weapons will become important
Survival blanket turned into 'poncho'
They are like, $25
they look like IR disco balls
you need to have one more black layer on top of the blanket
Consider the following:
> You are a soldier
> You are trained and ready to protect trad values
> Your unit is moving to a forward position after recon has confirmed a clear path
> You get to your defensive position
> Little do you know a little ARGUSIS derivative is observing your every move
> you disperse your APCs, IFVs, and start digging in
> you then cover your fox holes with IR netting
> moreover, you crawl toa different position then where you entered
> this all gets fed to an AI and you get hit by OTH thermal/video channel munitions from 200 clicks away
> the end
>Still loses to the Taliban, whose highest thermal evasion tech was a wool blanket n a stick
bump
carry panes of glass with you.
a plastic trash bag will block IR really well
the only problem is, they can see the shape of the bag, say a square, moving across the field
What if I start a huge conflagration in my AO?
Chlorofil blocks IR.
Fresh natural ghillie-suit.
>what's the best way to be invisible on infrared?
as in, a helicopter is looking at you and you're standing in the middle of a field?
dig a hole, lie down, cover yourself in as much stuff as you can
Havent you seen how the Arnold handled the Predator? Easy question
anything that blocks IR is also going to hinder heat dissipation. the trade-off to being IR invisible is hyperthermia.
you can sink your heat into the earth
human body produces 0.1-1.1kW of heat
Fibrotex
Using special clothes. The issue is however if they are reflective, you will appear as black spot which will be again, easy to spot.
by staking your castle nut
Only bothered to read half the thread and I had forgotten how moronic, armchair quarterback with zero real life experience /k/ is. How to defeat infrared:
>conduct mission when cloudy since drones and most aircraft cant fly
>if you’re stationary, hang a tarp above you, it’s defeated by even fricking glass, just don’t have the tarp less than 3 feet from you or your body heat will heat it up
>leave when it’s cloudy again
moron
Yeah bro just delay the war until you have good weather conditions.
I have a bretty good idea for a heat dissipating shield.
You take a decent quality tarp and cut it to the size of your body.
Sew fish net onto the top or glue it semi loosely on the tarp and then thread burlap string through all of it as if you were using that ghillie suit method.
String foliage through it.
Attatch 4 handles on the other side of the tarp that has nothing in the four corners that your feet and hands can easily latch onto and spread out over you.
You should be able to roll this thing up and attach to your pack like a sleeping roll.
There is this little known trick to fool IR glowBlack folk dont want you to know about. If you have a nice day asap your corpse will be too cold for IR making you invisible and you will be able to easily hide from IR devices giving you the upper hand.
multispectral camo
Just carry around a big piece of plexi glass and you'll be invisible to IR
So thermal/ir has measures to prevent visual saturation blinding them, i assume they work to prevent flashes of heat/light from overloading the systems.I bet those systems don't work in reverse, would freon grenades' work?