What would happen if USA lend leased 30 F-35s for ukraine. Posted on March 9, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor What would happen if USA lend leased 30 F-35s for ukraine.
>What would happen if USA lend leased 30 F-35s for ukraine.
PrepHole would move as fast as /b/ with all of the cope threads. seething would be beyond levels ever seen
>vatniks simultaneously claiming the f-35 is worthless and powerful enough to justify nuking ukraine over
>1 week lift on NSFW ban but only for R34 of F-35chan
A sticky if mods are feeling funny. The US national anthem autoplaying with an F-35 showing off her navel in the background.
They'd crash because Ukie pilots don't know how to fly them and Ukie maintenance crews don't know how to maintain them.
That's right, this anon has a point. Btw does anyone here know why these university educated Ukrainian pilots can barely speak Ukrainian on the radio? They seem better at English?
Because you're obligated by international law to learn English to fly a plane or steer a ship beyond your country's borders.
Oh ok, is sounding like you grew up in Ohio an international law thing too?
yes, the accent or intonation is called airspeak and is required by all pilots
>Ohioans after infiltrating the ICAO
to be specific, the international chicago convention which governs all air travel in UN nations which is basically all controlled airspace requires you to speak a singular 'accent' of english to minimize the chance of fucking up
shit like saying nine-er instead of nine or ay-firm instead of affirm is required
I understand you're trying to contribute but you sound autistic anon. We know, we're shitposting about US pilots pulling a USSR and flying in Ukraine while pretending to be Ukrainian.
>US pilots pulling a USSR and flying in Ukraine while pretending to be Ukrainian
so if you speak english to air traffic control you are a secret american pilot now? interesting
Anon, are you familiar with the Korean or Vietnam wars?
$1.000 says youre a fucking autist.
get the fuck out
Why did you go into fractions of a cent?
am i being the retard here or am i getting baited?
i thought thats how you burgers would write it if it was one thousand.
both. we know what you meant but no one writes it like that
you're a fag no one does that in countries that matter
one dollar? that's not a risky bet anon
It's not your fault that vatnigs are retarded anon, just know you won and move on from their brainrot
BVCKEYE CHADS, I KNEEL!
Are you implying there might be something fishy about Capt. Johnovich Smithinov?
Oh not at all, I just find it curious that Mr Johnovich is married to this girl.
Are you autistic anon
Probably Duolingo. I wouldn’t worry about it.
They're HATO pilots
mmmh weird same happened in korea and nam
Blow it out your ass, Slava Ukraini
t. Yuri Smith from Khonostop state
They would be sold to China and Russia pretty much instantly
Just like the HIMARS right?
maybe at long last we would see tactical nuke dropping by?
Ukrainians would spend the next 50 years shitposting military forums and boards about "why Russians lose wars?" and "why Ukrainians are so small yet so powerful?" threads like the Pissraelis do
if you included the pilots, maintenance/infrastructure and munitions it would be devastating in terms of complete air dominance over non-s400 net areas and fantastic in terms of removing high value targets
it would further shift the war in terms of how russia is able to engage or move their armies and drive them into an even more stationary front than currently exists
politically it would be seen the same as direct nato intervention and all of the dumb bullshit that comes with that, which I care far less about
>over non-s400 net areas
Israeli F-35s fly over Syrian s400s all the time
Lol S-400s would all be taken out on day 1 if Ukraine had F-35s.
Tell me why we shouldn't.
go the fuck back to your reddit
Go the fuck back to your own country.
somehow cringe and kinda based
cringe because it's ugly
based because the idea is good
Ukies don't want attack aircraft, but multirole combat aircraft
electrical infrastructure in and around moscow and st petersburg would get vaporized.
russia could eventually rebuild the power plants, it would be difficult because of the sanctions, but with enough time and effort they could find spare parts and new turbines somewhere. but it would take time. most of cosmopolitan russia would be stuck in the 17th century for months. during this time there would be civil unrest and there's a good chance the federation would disintegrate into warring factions. and then the nukes would start flying.
which is why they're never getting modern jet fighters.
Ukraine would win.
I don't see how they would help. The war has moved past the airspace. We should give them thousands upon thousands of arty instead.
air force out-ranges any arty and can suppress arty.
ruaf won't be able to get any more supplies to their front lines.
We would witness vatnik cope and seethe of epic proportions.
Realistically probably what the Russians are doing with their jets that are better than the UA ones, lobbing missiles from stand off positions outside their range and dipping.
Difference with the F35 is they wouldn't be picked up as easily and get out a lot quicker.
nope, F-35 is ideal for SEAD.
Ukies will gain air superiority and won't be limited to standoff weapons.
China would get a lot of new technology.
China didn't even manage to copy Russian jet engines after all those years despite having access
PrepHole becomes unusable for days after the Russians take out a couple of them due to Ukrainian incompetence.
What effect would happen if Japan lend-leased 600 Zeros to Ukraine?
There is a logical red line where Russia will straight up nuke Ukraine, the countries supporting Ukraine militarily are like 60% of the world's GDP so they must feel like they are battling against the world right now , Israel would had used nukes already their place if it was fighting Syria and suddenly the entire world gave them weapons
Lol. The war is over girls. You see the damage control after the Seymour Hersh story?
They're panicking and trying to shift the blame to Ukraine for Nordstream
The Germans are going to use the terrorist attack against their infrastructure as the excuse to pull out of the Ukraine project.
Scholtz went to the US to tell Biden: Either YOU blame Ukraine so we can pull our support for Ukraine—or WE blame YOU and pull out of NATO.
Scholtz’s trip was last week—and now coordinated stories come out.
It is too much of a coincidence that the NYT, the Washington Post, FT and Zeit would all simultaneously publish essentially the same long article giving such a laughably fantastical story.
They give the Germans the political cover to get out of Ukraine without breaking their relationship with the US.
Also, It makes Zelensky’s regime look like a bunch of nutcases — perfect excuse for the US to pull out of Ukraine.
I think after their defeat at Bakhmut, They realise they wont beat Russia on the ground. The Donbass is theirs.
The project to destabilise Russia via a proxy war in is a bust. The Biden administration needs a good excuse to get out, and quick.
What better excuse than to “suddenly" realise the Kiev regime is full of crazy Nazis
Nutters who blew up the German pipeline!
"Oh my! We had NO IDEA!”
...Also If they finger Ukraine as attacking Nordtream. That's a direct attack on a 'NATO country'.
"An attack on one, is an attack on all" – How do they square that circle
And if they can't keep the target over Zelensky's head, then Biden and his idiots might just have created an excuse to disband NATO altogether.
take your meds
"Oh my, anon has stopped taking his seroquel again!"
thank you soldier, 5 shekels have been deposited in your venom.
Did your translator fail?
You mean, if NATO was attacked by Ukraine, then NATO would have no choice but to invade the so-called Ukraine and conquer it. Including what are supposedly parts of Russia.
NATO doesn't have the appetite to conquer Crimea.
Crimea is basically an island and will likely be very bloody to invade.
Just siege it, no need to invade.
Blow up the bridge, control the land connection blockade the port.
So your big hope is Germany throwing a sulk and the US leaving Ukraine? Holy shit the cope.
"Hello my friends, my name is Denys, and to-day we will be looking in to what is happening at the Rrrred Squarrrre at Moss-cow. We see it here as it passes my window, and yes, it turns out I am strafing the living shit out of it my friends".
Many would likely get blown up on the ground and they would have atrocious availability.
Crime is already banned
That's why the image is funny.
>If I post Ben Shapiro I can LARP as a Fellow Republican
The F-35 is based and Russia is a tankie cringefest. Die in fire.
Zelensky would have asked why it wasn't 40
well, 30 doesn't make sense.
a NATO squadron has at least 18 fighters.
a wing would have 2 fighter squadrons.
Well for one, Ukraine wouldn't need 30 F-35s. With so much of Russia's advanced weapons destroyed or used up evena flight of 4 could cripple Russia's CnC and logistics given time.
For another, getting F-35s set up in another country will take months. Just getting Ukrainian pilots familiar with how they fly is going to take time and Ukraine will need a small army of techs, maintainers, and suppliers to keep those birds in the air. Jets are expensive jo.
F-35 are not magic, they can be detected and destroyed.
4 F-35s likely means 2 flying at any one time, which in practice means 4 Amraams on a flight, which is pretty damn risky if you ask me.
All it would take is 4 jets vectored to your location and you are potentially fucked.
Not underplaying the strength of the F-35 in air to air, just some common sense.
F-35s can also launch missiles from beyond detection range and have the sensor package to find and avoid interceptors or SAM networks. Russia lost a lot of planes and missiles and ,with the embargo in place, doesn't have the means of replacing them.
>have the sensor package to find and avoid interceptors or SAM networks
if F-35 has to turn on their radar, it's dead.
NATO doctrine uses AWACS for a reason.
It's not the 90s anymore anon, the F-35 MFA can passively locate and target ground radars like F-16 HTS pods could since the mid 2000s, and a pair of them can passively target air radars or electrooptically target from closer ranges via parallax + data fusion.
like there won't be any EW
Might as well not be with the tech gap.
This board would be unusable for a full week at least.
Apart from that it would stop all Russian offensives, cut off their main supply routes and allow the Ukies to clear a path straight to Melitopol by Summer.
you can't train pilots that fast
I was assuming they just get pilots and the planes operate from Poland, since you can't get the airfields up to standard that fast either.
did RoE change?
>As you can see in this photo below, after the Su-27 diverted to Romania, it is fully loaded with air-to-air missiles, but it returned without any armament. This is because NATO countries will not send an armed aircraft into Ukrainian airspace as not to be dragged into the conflict. If the Su-27 had shot down a Russian aircraft while trying to return to its base, it could have resulted in a major international incident and escalation point. As such, the jet returned unarmed and required an escort of Ukrainian fighters once in Ukrainian airspace.
MiG-31s would be BTFO'd. Russian AWACS would be shot down. SEAD would commence. Ukies would be able to CAS. Ukie air superiority, but not dominance. pic unrel
now explain why Russians didn't just use their Su-57 and do that to the Ukies
>why Russians didn't just use their Su-57 and do that to the Ukies
Because they don't have any?
>"limited to flying over Russian territory"
The SU-57 has a radar cross section the size of a small airliner. It's not stealth at all.
Because their crap planes are not as good as ours? I'm not gonna post the diagram with the record of US planes versus Russian ones, you've already seen it.
Probably because their planes are shit, their missiles are shit, and their pilots are shit.
MiG-31 operate only out of Russian air space.
A F-35 can't get close enough without overflying some SAM on occupied Ukraine with its AIM-120D.
Stealth will allow them to get close.
Megimin always related
So is Aqua
Imagine having drunk unprotected sex with Aqua
Well, first I'd feel ill at the thought of some dirty slavs getting their hands on that much of our extremely expensive military hardware.
Russia would get their hands on a wrecked F-35. It probably doesn't matter though because at least one of the 6 gorillion F-35 buyers is likely compromised by China anyway.
Surely China will have working engines any day now. Do you realize how hard Pentagon officials work to pretend your shitholes are a threat? They still couldn't help laughing at your newest planes. They saw it and fucking chortled. Had a big guffaw, because what China is...is a joke.
Ever heard of asymmetric warfare? Good luck getting your planes anywhere near China,when your aircraft carriers are comfortably at peace at the bottom of the ocean
US doctrine says you get nuked when you kill one of their carriers.
Why would they send planes over some giant parking lot?
You honestly think the US wouldn't get glassed just as hard if laid a finger on China? You honestly need some tough love to break you out of your state of delusion. Multi polarity is coming, prepare your asshole
why would US lay a finger on China?
Seventh fleet will sail to Taiwan's defense.
China gets to decide if they will stop their silly invasion, or open fire on the US fleet.
>US doctrine says you get nuked when you kill one of their carriers.
why do you think China is NFU, but USA isn't?
I mean Israel has them, you don't need to be a braindead stormfag to see that their behaviour as a supposed ally to the US has been lackluster to say the least in that regard.
maybe they already have one. it doesn't matter really. the f-35 was designed to be exported all over the world, with the assumption that people would try to take it apart and reverse engineer it at the first opportunity. the USA isn't worried about this, because its just too complex to reproduce in a short timespan
and that's why Turkey got the S-400 and the F-35
But Turkey didn't get the F-35 and S-400 is shit. They really played theirselves pretending to be 4D chess masters.
Airbase would be shelled until there were no more shells to send.
with what, the fucking paris gun?
why would you put airbases in shell range?
nothing, it's a small cog in a sophisticated weapons system that requires hundreds of highly trained specialists to operate effectively. it takes years to integrate a weapons system like this. by the time they can fly their first combat mission, the war will have been over for a long, long time. Crimea will be back under Ukraine's control next year at the latest, Moscow will come under Ukrainian control in 2025 or 2026, the whole Russian leadership will be in prison or dead in 3 to 4 years.
>Crimea will be back under Ukraine's control next year at the latest, Moscow will come under Ukrainian control in 2025 or 2026, the whole Russian leadership will be in prison or dead in 3 to 4 years.
Lolwtf. To the last hohol
Should lend lease the pilots in them too and stage them in Poland. The Soviet Union did it in Korea, just a little payback.
What would happen if we crossbreed a SR71 with a B2?