Germany will not purchase any more Puma infantry tanks until they have proven themselves to be reliable, Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht said on Monday after several of the vehicles were put out of service during a recent military drill.
"The recent failures of the Puma infantry fighting vehicle are a major setback," Lambrecht said in a statement
>it’s real
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/puma-tank-failure-is-heavy-setback-germany-defence-ministry-2022-12-19/
So the Puma sucks ? Why don't they adopt the Boxer or the VBCI ?
Boxer isn’t very good either. It’s main gimmick is modularity but that’s actually a drawback. Imagine having to replace an IFV with an ambulance modular. The IFV crew is left playing with their wieners because they don’t have a chassis anymore.
>Boxer isn’t very good either
You're talking out of your ass, it's the next best 8x8 to Stryker DVH
>It’s main gimmick is modularity
it's extremely well protected and has the full suite of weapons and electronics
>but that’s actually a drawback
no it's not you ignorant lardball
>Imagine having to replace an IFV with an ambulance modular. The IFV crew is left playing with their wieners
you forgot the existence of the maintenance pool vehicles
what the modules allow is a fast turnaround time at depot level because instead of waiting speciically for IFV #297 to be repaired, the IFV crew can just grab the next available chassis and next available IFV module in the repair stream and go
>what exactly has led to tanks having to be passed around
disingenuous; he knows very well that this is the motor pool vehicle system most European armies adopt; bunch of different units using the same set of vehicles for training rather than a particular set assigned to their unit
Boxer predated the CTA forty
>this always ends in a less than careful handling of the material
indeed, the "not my ride not my problem", "it's a rental" issue
solvable by making those c**ts not take shortcuts with maintenance
the absolute delusional cope in here concerning anything german from pavels hahahaha
>So the Puma sucks
No, the problems are absolutely exaggerated.
No they aren’t. They deadlined 90% of their active vehicles on excersize. And Germany is pretty lax with its maintenance. They won’t deadline for small problems like the Americans would.
why do you lie?
>But only until recently, when the 18 Pumas mentioned in the introduction failed completely. A week after the failures became known in the media and the Puma was once again dubbed a breakdown tank, the situation is slowly becoming clearer as to what actually happened at the firing practice center. According to an article in the FAZ, which is not disputed by either the BMVg or the Army, the damage situation of the 18 tanks is completely inconsistent.
>Moreover, the majority of the technical problems are said to be easy to fix and partly due to prescribed but not performed technical service. In addition, a statement by the division commander is contradicted in the sense that the vehicles were not used during the exercise itself, but were heavily stressed in the run-up to it, in that they were passed around from platoon to platoon or from company to company for any exercises. Experienced soldiers know very well that this always ends in a less than careful handling of the material. According to the FAZ article, only two of the 18 systems actually showed major damage.
>Here, it is indeed necessary to take a precise look at what exactly has led to tanks having to be passed around in a fully equipped unit. Is it due to the Puma's maintenance-intensive nature, too few spare parts, a lack of maintenance capacity, or perhaps even misguided planning on the part of the troops, who for whatever reason were unable to adequately synchronize the necessary times for technical service and training operations?
>The mass of evidence that is now becoming public increasingly indicates that the Puma must be ascribed the attribute of bruiser rather than breakdown tank. If the operational capability of a system suffers from the fact that insufficient spare parts are available, maintenance personnel are lacking, insufficiently qualified or inexperienced, there are planning deficiencies in the use of the system or the system is used contrary to the specifications, then it is not due to the technology alone, then the causes are anchored in the system. This is further reinforced by the fact that, according to reports, there are Puma units in the Army with very good clearances - despite training operations. The probability is high that at the end of the investigation it will have to be determined that the Puma was used as a buffer for the mistakes of others.
This is from a blog of a rheinmentall executive. I posted Reuters. Germany paused their planned purchases of puma until its issues can be sorted out. When that is is unclear
>This is from a blog of a rheinmentall executive
no it's not, it's from a professional journal:
https://soldat-und-technik.de/2022/12/mobilitaet/33604/schuetzenpanzer-puma-pannenpanzer-oder-prellbock/
>I posted Reuters
you posted a screenshot of a headline. Reuters is no military professional journal and I'm pretty sure their article doesn't go in depth about the actual technical problems. You're free to prove me wrong though.
German defense minister paused orders of puma. The problems are deeper than we thought
>German defense minister
doesn't give a shit about the military and is only in this position due to party politics
>The problems are deeper than we thought
the Puma itself is likely fine, the problem is the military as a whole, number of spare parts, number of actual vehicles, how vehicles are assigned to units, etc.
the article I posted goes in-depth, the screenshot and bait question you posted doesn't, bc you don't actuall care about the topic
>paused orders of puma
symbol politics to act like she's doing something instead of actualy addressing the army's problems
This is a disaster. Pretending it’s not isn’t any good for the future of the puma program. This should have never come to light before the Australians made their decision
Is the Lynx less of a disaster ? The Puma can't even fit soldiers that are 6ft+.
>imagine believing every dimwitted cope headline
>German blogger does damage control
It must be worse than we thought
No they’re pretty major problems. Production has come to a grinding halt to see if the problems can be worked out
Germany already owns 400 Boxers.
What is that?
A 10/10 German girl
Oh, I think it's their latest military minister, kek.
Isn't Von der Leyen the one who started the G36 scandal ? Didn't every user of the G36 except Germany found her claims about the rifle's accuracy being utter bullshit ? I know the Latvians and the Spaniards tested it and found no problem.
We upgraded them to our standards hence why it's not a plastic peace of shit like Germany ran but more of a proper rifle now
t. Lithuanian
What are the upgrades ?
it's just the current version HK offers instead of the older one that Germany bought 20+ years ago
>Pretending it’s not isn’t any good for the future of the puma program
what we discuss on here is completely irrelevant
all I'm saying is it looks like the problem lies more within the bad state of the German army than with the Puma itself, as the article I posted suggests
>This should have never come to light before the Australians made their decision
idk whether it impacts their decision, Lynx and Puma are not the same vehicle and the Australians get to test the Lynx extensively
and it whether military matters like this should be brought public is debatable, might be relevant to national security, but Germany is secure in NATO anyway. This way at least it might cause public attention which forces politicians to improve the situation (but this is likely wishful thinking).
more like
t.delusional dimwit
german soldiers all said the g36 was a perfect rifle, HK even won the court case against the german state which is why they're suppying the new rifle too
Also, why don't they follow the example of the French and British armies and adopt the 40mm CTA ? It's literally the best IFV cannon round as of now, it's as powerful as a Bofors 40mm and yet it only take slightly more space than 25mm.
Meanwhile Ajax has had a solution to it's problems implemented and has resumed trials.
Note: The cable fire was caused by some frick-up caused by a recent upgrade plus a lack of maintenance since the recently uograded vehicles were heavily overused and shared among troops with little to no maintenance and thus warned the nickname of "wanderprostitutes."
If you lurked these threads before you'll have heard it come up.
What remains is that you Black folk still fell for fake news.
Honestly this sounds like some heavy cope to me.
See the link and translate either that ir check the linked articles.
You are wrong, the anon from vefore was right. You fell for fake news.
The bundeswehr has plenty of issues but this was the MoD and media fricking up by taking things out of context and misreporting them. Angloid media then fantasised about them "breaking down."
Perhaps deliberately.
You are at fault if you blindly believing it. How have you not learned not to trust journies during Obama's first term already?
They literally always lie.
>rant rant rant OBAMA rant
I'm prepared to be even-minded, but your attitude isn't doing you any favours
>Angloid media
Obsessed.
Can you blame them? Look how much material you have given them over the past 10 years. Everyone likes a good clown to laugh at.
>it's just the Bundesgays downchecking vehicles for a screw loose
if true, this just shifts the problem to Bundesgays being Bundeshomosexuals
>Puma broken
>Eurofighters grounded
>90% of helicopters grounded
>Tank fleet broken
>German troops leaving Afganistan were stranded because there transport was broken, they called for the replacement...but that too was broken
>Guns replaced with brooms
>Turns up to NATO exercises in cars and pretends they are IFVs and Tanks
>All submarines broken
>Navy non existent
>Can't deploy anywhere near a decent amount of hardware and manpower anywhere but in its own Barracks at a stretch
The above is/was all true at some point. Cut the cope Dennis, the German military is an embzrresment and should be kicked out of NATO.
>All vehicles except two didn't have real issues
Real enough to have their deployment cancelled, why are you pretending that your god awful bureaucracy doesn't matter? we all know you cuck yourself during wars because of it.