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what does PrepHole think of the EBRC Jaguar?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it looks like a Ferret Armoured Far that plays fortnight.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it cute

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it looks neat

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why do IFV's use such small bore autocannons? They can't knock out armour and infantry is better attacked with artillery-grade HE. What is the benefit?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's 40mm, very chonky for a IFV.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if it isn't 80mm - 120mm HE I suspect it isn't very good

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its a 40mm
      didn't Bradleys with 25mm knock out tanks using sabot rounds in Desert Storm?
      and it has the two ATGM
      it is also not an IFV, it is armored reconnaissance

      Need more forward mounted turrets in the world

      yeah it does seem to have a few turrents on top of its turret

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >40mm cannon
        >claimed 175mm of pen, adequate for anything that isn't an MBT from the front
        >HE payload is huge
        >durrr it needs a beeeg gun

        Ukies BTFO of T-72s with 30mm guns from their BTR-4, 40mm is plenty for fuck up a tank enough to take it out of action

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          also remember most French deployments are in West Africa, at most they'll face hadjis in technicals and maybe some ancient slavshit
          it is why all their stuff is wheeled too

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this did nothing but external structural damage (ignite the suspension and wheels). the interior is fine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >40mm
          Unless there’s some esoteric banderite mysticism providing providence for such feats, and 30mm works, then why don’t people use those absolute meme German recoilless cannons and just mount them on every thing with adequate suspension? Seems like the winning move vs all the Eurasian tank forces, from a retards perspective.
          >t retard

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >40mm cannon
      >claimed 175mm of pen, adequate for anything that isn't an MBT from the front
      >HE payload is huge
      >durrr it needs a beeeg gun

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cannon weighs a lot, and vehicle need enough weight for the recoil it generates, while not giving significant more HE fire power because auto cannon makes up with fire rate. The barrel length and limited elevation of guns are trouble in town and against heli.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      40mm

      Small bore auto cannon?

      Most IFV auto cannons are only 20-30mm.

      Bradley was 25mm, marder was 20mm, warrior and bmp was 30mm.

      A-10 and it's fuckhuge gatling is 30mm.

      40mm is plenty. Brits and Yanks want 40mm for its future IFVs too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >IFV
      >wheels
      It's a wheeled AFV (armored fighting vehicle) not a tracked IFV (infantry fighting vehicles) which fights alongside tanks and carried troops.
      The Jaguar does neither.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >waaaah ifvs an't be wheeled
        yes, they can. locomotion doesn't matter.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes it does, at least for Western doctrine (Germany, UK, American, Australian).

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          forgot to say, while the jaguar specifically is not an IFV (carries no troops), that does not mean that an IFV cannot be wheeled.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that does not mean that an IFV cannot be wheeled
            You can put a wheeled AFV in the IFV role, sure, but that doesn't make it a IFV.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If it carries troops and supports the troops, it doesn't matter if it has wheels or tracks.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it does, in Western doctrine. They use IFVs for IFV roles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Idiot. It’s neither an AFV or an IFV, it’s just french crap. It’s fucking useless besides to crush some rebel morons so they can continue to exploit Africa. And for that anything works.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Basically this.
                Same with the AMX-10RC. The French build lots of retarded shit that has no place on a real battlefield.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it is armored reconnaissance
                they use a specific vehicle for that rather than repurposing an IFV or LAV to specialise it for that role

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it is armored reconnaissance
                Exactly. Australia also uses a wheeled AFV, Boxer Combat Recon Vehicle (CRV) as its armed recon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it will, currently is the ASLAV
                they also field APC varients

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ASLAV hasn't been deployable since Afghanistan. It's just used for training until replaced by a Boxer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                a platoon of these attached to an infantry company
                or a battalion taskforce with a company of these
                would find no value whatsoever?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what you're saying is that frenchies are based?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's a light cav vehicle to fullfill what is traditionally medium recce. They send a squadron or two of these up front to find, define and kill within their means. The 40mm and ATGMs give it increased lethality, meaning light cav can sweep a bunch of enemy assets off the field on their own. The sensor suite greatly enhances ISTAR capability gives greater "sight" and shortens the time to find something and bring effects onto it from integral weapons or fires. Commanders have greater flexibility now if they need to vector a combat team+ onto an enemy position, or just allow the cav to deal with it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ideally the right tool for the right job, you could go hard autistic and insist
                tracked for heavy armor
                8x8 LAV for more mobile and quicker to deploy forces
                4x4/6x6 truck for basic light infantry
                civilian technicals or purpose built light vehicles for rapid deployment/special forces
                but of course that can cost a lot of money, increase logistics and maintenance, etc

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Includes a frier for french fries as standart load out.
        Allright, it’s french.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it does, at least for Western doctrine (Germany, UK, American, Australian).

        forgot to say, while the jaguar specifically is not an IFV (carries no troops), that does not mean that an IFV cannot be wheeled.

        The French field an IFV that is wheeled rather than tracked, the VBCI
        whatever disadvantages go with that seem to be outweighed by the advantages particularly in their usual operations in West Africa, several companies were included in Operation Serval and the high tempo would have been difficult to maintain in a slower and more maintenance intense tracked vehicle

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah they do, which is why I didn't include them in my list of Western doctrine countries that use IFVs in IFV roles.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fun frog

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >40mm auto cannon

    That shit would rape vatnik T-72s in Ukraine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only with lucky shots to the hull sides using APFS ammo, if you're 300-400m away from it. I'm ass00ming this thing is designed to have antipersonnel capabilities and flee from heavy armour, rather than risk being shredded by an angry BTR and its mighty 14,5mm minicannon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That s why it s equipped with MMP
        The CT40 goal is not to engage T72 even if it coud in certain conditions
        For MBT you should use MMP in NLOS 4km away

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Need more forward mounted turrets in the world

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To tall to make effective use of microterrian. Gunshot detector a huge step forward as far a standard sensor goes.Pointless ATGM, could have literally dummycorded a Javelin or Spike to the roof and had the ability dismount and surveil while keeping the vehicle in deep cover.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pointless ATGM, could have literally dummycorded a Javelin or Spike to the roof and had the ability dismount and surveil while keeping the vehicle in deep cover.
      >bro just literally keep a launcher in the vehicle and poke your head out to shoot

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look at all those extra turrets on it I think it can do that from inside
        plus French military doctrine is a little different, an armor and armored reconnaissance platoon includes 3 VBL armored cars for scouting, spotting, covering flank, etc

        What's up with all the new designs having missiles swinging up or out of turrets?

        Seems extra complicated and uses up turret space no?

        Why not just have an armored box launcher outside like the bradley?

        to reload it or protection?

        it's to make it easier to reload, ya dingus

        several dudes got clapped trying to reload the box launchers on bradleys in combat

        in addition to that could a anti-material rifle damage the external launcher?

        40mm

        Small bore auto cannon?

        Most IFV auto cannons are only 20-30mm.

        Bradley was 25mm, marder was 20mm, warrior and bmp was 30mm.

        A-10 and it's fuckhuge gatling is 30mm.

        40mm is plenty. Brits and Yanks want 40mm for its future IFVs too.

        CV90 has 40mm bofors, export models go for smaller bushmasters

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pointless ATGM, could have literally dummycorded a Javelin or Spike to the roof
      "I don't know anything about the MMP/AkeronMP": the post.
      Be advised the MMP can exactly do that. Exact same missile and container as the disembarked one. Detachable yet wire guided for fire and forget ability using LOBL mode. More range than both missiles you quoted. Multiple missiles stored inside the vehicle. So in need you could technically dismount a missile from its launcher and give it to the guys on the ground instead.
      Watch:

      ?t=75
      Sorry not buying the Spike.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        French armor platoons contain a mix of the actual armored vehicles and VBLs
        an armor company will have an infantry platoon
        the VBLs and infantry will have their own additional ATGM

        It's a light cav vehicle to fullfill what is traditionally medium recce. They send a squadron or two of these up front to find, define and kill within their means. The 40mm and ATGMs give it increased lethality, meaning light cav can sweep a bunch of enemy assets off the field on their own. The sensor suite greatly enhances ISTAR capability gives greater "sight" and shortens the time to find something and bring effects onto it from integral weapons or fires. Commanders have greater flexibility now if they need to vector a combat team+ onto an enemy position, or just allow the cav to deal with it.

        >squadron
        or attach a platoon to a motorized or mechanized infantry company

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's up with all the new designs having missiles swinging up or out of turrets?

    Seems extra complicated and uses up turret space no?

    Why not just have an armored box launcher outside like the bradley?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like it's in a side compatment, and it's probably for easier/protected reloading.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's to make it easier to reload, ya dingus

      several dudes got clapped trying to reload the box launchers on bradleys in combat

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Really? Because you reload the TOW on the bradley through a hatch in the back, which is behind the turret. I kinda doubt that we lost "several", it would require someone to be off to your flank with no support.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes, exactly, they have to unbutton the vehicle and the loader has to stick their heads/arms/body out to reload the TOW, which is stupid because the IFV has to pull off the line of contact to do so safely

          if the missile can be reloaded from inside, the IFV can stay in the fight, even using the auto cannon to suppress the enemy while the missile is reloaded

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Put 4 tubes on the outside and you dont have to reload.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why not just have an armored box launcher outside like the bradley?
      You now Bradley's box launcher is swinging launcher too? Right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but it doesn't take up turret space inside.

        It's just outside and swings out.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's invaded your small African village and summarily executed your tribal chief because bad intel claims that he was a local warlord, but it's okay...

    Because he drives a Jaaaaaaaaaaag

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    share 70% parts with this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah the Griffon is replacing the VAB just as the Jaguar is replacing the ERC and AMX
      end of an era

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn this combo looks good. Sadly neither will sell outside of France because everyone knows parts won't be supplied and it won't be supported.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Belgium is buying both.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t really like its look. But it’s a compact reconnaissance vehicle, not a troop carrier, with a 40mm and atgms.
    it’s a little heavy compared to what it replaces.
    It should do the job the frogs intend for it.
    I wish there was a version with a 90mm gun to blow up houses for direct fire infantry support.
    I hope they won’t have performance issues with the gun.
    Once again, non standart NATO ammo, WTF France.
    I have always been a little worried about the part cercled in red. Isn’t it a bit narrow and too close to the wheels? Compacted snow and rocks, drying mud, tree trunks can get stuck there. Will it not be a problem? Does it lift up like the amx 10 rc?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ct 40mm is also used by brits and nextor and bae are not a no name. It might be adopted as standard nato telescoped ammo one day.
      Considering us army is planning 6.5x51 fury for small arm i guess it is fine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Standart is whatever retarded shit the US decides to use. That’s how Nato works. It doesn’t matter if the french make a neat thing with a few usefull tricks, no one is going to adopt it besides them, it’s going to be expensive because of the small scale of production, and the stockpile will be limited.
        Every. Fucking. Time.
        When will you learn?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not that US has anything similar to offer on the schedule for caseless 40mm. The closest thing US had is LSAT plastic telescope round which is still in development and for small arm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Non standard NATO
      Yes and ? The spirit of le Général De Gaulle lives on

      https://i.imgur.com/FS4825V.jpg

      [...]
      [...]
      The French field an IFV that is wheeled rather than tracked, the VBCI
      whatever disadvantages go with that seem to be outweighed by the advantages particularly in their usual operations in West Africa, several companies were included in Operation Serval and the high tempo would have been difficult to maintain in a slower and more maintenance intense tracked vehicle

      Wheeled vehicles have a lower logistical price, in time and money and are favoured by fast moving operations

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retard de Gaulle

        What a pos that guy is

        Even judging on a curve since most French are pos too

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. west african

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it a he or a she?
    fucking french gendering everything.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does it mount any ATGMs?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2. The roofed tube leaning 45 degree at the top is the launcher.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus Christ. Lurk moar if you can't even tell what ATGM (anti-tank guided missiles) are.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly looks fragile enough to the point that you could disable half the systems with a machine gun burst.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Better than American lol MFP tank. Should've purchase it instead.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what are they even using that for?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Firepower for Infantry Brigade Combat Teams (IBCT). Not Stryker Brigade Combat Teams (SBCT) and especially not Armored Brigade Combat Teams (ABCT).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Same role as AMX-10RC before. As light tank for recon, cavalry and fire support role.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To pad the pockets of the MIC.
        It weighs as much as a T-64, despite having less armor and firepower. What an absolute POS.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          With the better ammo it probably has better firepower

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >American light tank of modern era and full war kit weighs as much as soviet death trap
          next you'll say something stupid about IFV weights going up

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            LAVs are getting too heavy, they're supposed to be the middle weight between tracked armor and infantry in trucks allowing faster deployment and operations but better protection + organic fire support
            if they get as heavy as tracked armor then they're redundant
            and also impede their off road ability too

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >heavy = worse offroad
              wait until you graduate highschool and learn what ground pressure is, if you have huge tires on a heavier vehicle you can drive in mud as easily if not more easily than a smaller vehicle with small tires

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                look up the ASLAV in east timor

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >modern era
            Then it should weigh less, did you miss the part about it having less armor?
            Not suggesting using Soviet tanks obviously, but the MPF is a damn embarrassment and I hope it gets cancelled.

            With the better ammo it probably has better firepower

            Yeah, M900 is pretty sick, but there's no excuse to not have a 120mm.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but there's no excuse to not have a 120mm.
              Yes there is. It's called not a main battle tank and ATGMs

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's called not a main battle tank and ATGMs
                It's called fucking retardation, that's what it is. Also the MPF won't have any ATGMs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, but other parts of the IBCT will.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It doesn't have the 120mm because of weight. They even used the special light 105 that got developed but never used. If you complain about weight than why do you want it to be heavier.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do we really need 4 trillion platforms that all do the same thing, and half a dozen units ever built for each one?
    NATO arms industry is in need of serious rationalisation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      every country wants to subsidise their own heavy industry
      how do those kits get put on?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how do those kits get put on?
        Eight bolts, some cabling and ductwork.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the right tool for the right job
      jack of trades master of none

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sometimes it's better to make tradeoffs in outright performance in favor of practicality and feasibility on a limited budget.

        every country wants to subsidise their own heavy industry
        how do those kits get put on?

        NATO should sit down and figure out the best design then let everyone in the club build their own clones, with no IP restrictions. Interoperability and force cohesion matters

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          true
          but also most of the french infantry mover is essentially an armored truck, the VAB being retired or the new Griffon
          they evidently dont feel a full on LAV is necessary and prefer something lighter

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should make these out of kevlar vest material instead of steel

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly looks fragile enough to the point that you could disable half the systems with a machine gun burst.

      what if, and hear me out on this, they covered them in Dragonskin© ?

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like how every new military vehicle has the same headlights. Why can't we get cute round lights anymore?

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lamer than the AMX-10 RC

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why do you consider AMX-10 RC to be lame?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like a modern Ratel.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    throw stones at it and $million worth of sensors will be gone

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sensors/optics le bad
      are you russian?
      >too many redundant sensors/optics
      sure, so less of them is somehow better and harder to damage?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NTA but he didn't say any of that and also
      >put some cages, transparent protection around your sensors

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      STONE CHADS CAN'T STOP WINNING

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The French have figured out how to maximize the weapon portion and minimize the car portion.
    I approve, but we can go further than that.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why does it have so many turrets and sensors?

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