Honestly I will like long ramps as opposed to western short ones, they're basically no different to flat carriers with cats, the takeoff weight is pretty similar as long as you get that extra length added to the carrier itself and its not actually inhibiting the normal takeoff run up.
>Long ramps >As opposed to western short ramps
Anon... That carrier is a Juan Carlos I class. From Spain. The design is western, it was made in the west, just because it got sold to the roaches doesn't mean its not western. >(Hint: every carrier design you can probably imagine IS western, because only the west is innovating on that. Because no one but NATO has any projecting power, and Turkey doesn't have any brains.)
>helicopter carrier >ramp
it's impressive being this stupid
The spanish navy puts actual jets (namely Harriers) on theirs. That's why they designed it with a ramp. The turks haven't been able to get jets that can actually use theirs, because they decided to buy S400 and NATO didn't like that, so they're coping by puting choppers in theirs. A tradition they ironically also copied from Spain, as before the transition to democracy, Franco also coped by putting choppers on an "aircraft carrier" lmao.
They take a lot of energy, so you have to refuel at sea more or fly less. You have to design a ship with that machinery space, so the ship is larger. They take a little more space on the deck than a STOVL fighter with a ramp needs so you also need a large enough carrier. Because you'll be landing with arrestor wires, you should angle the flight deck so that you actually have space to park planes, take off planes, and land planes, so that'll be a yet larger carrier (you don't want to land a big AEW or transport plane but then snap the wires on a non-angled deck). You have to design air planes that can withstand the catapult launches and arrested landings. You also then have to actually go buy other planes like AEW planes cause you've already spent so much money that it'd be wasteful to not spend a little more in order to get so much more capability.
After you've done all that, you've spent like four or five times as much money, assuming you're as skilled at making a super carrier and CATOBAR airwing on your first try as you are at making a ramp carrier and STOVL airwing.
Yes they are. Basically you have to design the entire ship around them, and the benefits are not worth the costs 90% of the times. If you had to project power from long distances then it's good, but if you're a regional power that doesn't have a hegemony to protect, like the USA, then a ramp is more than sufficient.
They obliterate airframes too, even when functioning perfectly they shorten a plane's useful life. EMALS is supposed to mostly fix this because the impulse isn't as aggresive, but it still doesn't quite work properly.
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If catapults are so bad, why does /k/ always make fun of ships with ramps?
They look stupid and they severely limit planes and payloads you can launch. It's also kind of embarassing as a country to give up on a better technology because it's hard. Lightbulbs were hard to figure out, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable to light your home with candles forever. From practical perspective though, the United States is really the only country capable of developing something like EMALS domestically, so your options are to buy from the U.S. like France, or fail to develop your own CATOBAR system, run out of money, give up, and go back to ramps like England.
The limitation on what planes you can use is also just not that big a deal for most countries. If you have light planes, that's really all you're likely planing to use on a carrier, with the obvious exceptions of any actual superpower wishing to play world police (which is only USA and arguably China... note that I say WISH, not SUCCEED, if it was the second just the USA lmao.)
From the perspective of when/where this was developped it made perfect sense. Spain wanted a carrier that can use Harriers for very minor patrol shit bertween the canaries and the mainland, and at most maybe getting sent for policing missions abroad. So, EMALS would've not only been expensive as frick but also broken the poor things, or at the very least increased costs considerably. Hence, this rampy boy.
Then Turkey bought it thinking it was gonna put F35s on it. And it can indeed also handle those, so from the perspective of mediterranean dick measuring, one of these with F-35 on board is probably more than enough, arguably already overkill.
But welp, they never did get those F-35 after all lmao.
Point is. I for one do make fun of ramps. But only when the ones using them are trying to act tough. Ramps are a declaration. That declaration being "we didn't wanna waste more money on an air patrol". If you use them I get it. If you use them and then try to tell me you're a supah poopah 2025 supreme master race... I'm just gonna laugh my ass off.
>so from the perspective of mediterranean dick measuring, one of these with F-35 on board is probably more than enough
Eh, is it? Italy has 2 carriers with an F-35 airwing. France has a single carrier (albeit larger) with Rafales. Roaches have already lost the dick measuring contest from the start, assuming they will ever reach their peak dick size (full F-35 airwing).
Since the F-35 beats the rafale hands down, had they actually gotten them, they'd already be better than France and Spain, with only Italy above them on the med power status. At least when it comes to naval carrier groups anyway (roaches are still roaches, no amount of glitz gonna cover that). So yeah, I'd say it'd have been enough. But, well, again, roachie gonna roach. Couldn't help themselves, got slapped down, and now they're greece tier. Lmao.
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>Since the F-35 beats the rafale hands down
Generally I'd agree, but these would be piloted by roaches, so I'm not sure.
Yes they are. Basically you have to design the entire ship around them, and the benefits are not worth the costs 90% of the times. If you had to project power from long distances then it's good, but if you're a regional power that doesn't have a hegemony to protect, like the USA, then a ramp is more than sufficient.
because this place is filled with insecure americans that have to remind us how stronk they are by mocking all military doctrines that are not strictly based on aggressive foreign policies and oil wars the other side of the planet. this is why they have to relentlessly mock every regional power that doesn't want a trillion dollar floating bankrupcy just so that their jets could take off with half an hour worth of fuel more.
I imagine myself in Europe, leading my Platoon. Our mission is to stop wh*Te dogs from advancing. We mow down wh*Te dogs but they keep coming. I shoot wh*Te dogs but I run out of ammo so I draw my sword and begin slaughtering wh*Tes, since wh*Tes are way more psychially inferior to me, I slay them by dozens. Then I get shot, but I didn't fall, I kept fighting. Then shot again and again. wh*Tes were shooting me from a distance like the cowards they are. I lie down, facing up to sky and I see KARA BOĞA (Tengri) smiling at me, I smile back… Then I woke up, in africa, my homeland. My BLACK brethen gave me a warm welcome to heaven. I finally made it, I finally made it into heaven..
Wait, are you dying and waking up in Heaven or Africa? Because those are two very different things. Or is this the mythical Africa like from comic books and shit where Yakub and Wakanda are from?
save weight since the layout of the flight deck makes that space unusable for aircraft.
also it looks like some sort of mounted weapons station, it being recessed below the level of the flight deck is pretty standard, that way there is no possible way that an aircraft can strike any part of the weapons mounts during takeoff.
but mostly just the layout of the ramp means you can easily park stuff there without potentially obstructing flight ops, given that theres no reason to build the section up to the level of the flight deck at all. its a few thousand kilos of displacement they can now use some other more sensible way. Yes it look weird, but military stuff often does, CVs(this is not a CV this is some sort of amphib/helicopter carrier/LHD thing) often look weird as frick. Like the image of them is ingrained in us as this big imposing iconic shape but if you put that aside and actually LOOK AT THEM they all look fricking stunge with shit sticking out every weird place and nothing is quite straight and everything is tilted or off center a bit.
Like the defensive fields of fire are usually laid out with diagonal symmetry, with weapons stations on opposite corners of the ship Fore-port/Aft-starboard that sort of thing.
This past july, I was in Istanbul, since my ship was visiting it for it's foundation anniversary. We were invited to the Turkish Naval Academy. The school seems large enough, and most of their cadets were pretty fluent in english (They were plebes turning second graders though) The tech seemed kinda old tbh, the classrooms, navigation simulator and laboratories had really old mid 2000-early 2010's computers. Their guards were armed with MP5's, HK G3's and FN FAL's.
It didn't seem to me as they were that strong for an european/asian nation, however, we were coming from the UK and we had a chance to see the RN up close, and the technological differences were abysmal.
Of course, coming from fricking Latin America, the Turkish navy didn't seem quite bad at all, better than most of the south american countries and naval academies we visited afterwards
I should add the context that I'm studying in a naval academy myself and we were doing an instruction cruise in a tallship.
We invited them to the ship after our visit to their academy, and we ended up getting them all drunk. Challenge coin, patches, badges and pin exchange was really fun.
The fact that they got submarines, a carrier and a large ammount of patrol frigates makes them quite a serious navy despite not being the strongest, backed up by a lot of history.
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Türkiye has the strongest European army after Russia. They defeated American proxies in Syria in only a few days. They are a rising superpower.
>rising superpower
Kek. Maybe get drinkable tap water first.
>Türkiye
>Russia
>European
>strongest European army after Russia
cool, you can look forward to less success than Russia is having in Ukraine now
Not European.
Istanbul by geography.
>European
No.
KARA BOGA to you to Roach!
This is the
>rivets
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ramp
>helicopter carrier
>ramp
it's impressive being this stupid
I imagine they do sick skateboard tricks with winds at their backs off the ramp.
It’s a baby’s first carrier! Before you know it they’ll be putting angled runways and actual jets!
It's Turkey. Like the bird. Dumb subhuman
No it's Türkiyoe you weak sperm
I am strong sporm grik god
You are brown
Ni its Tůrkīyâőį
Yaoi is short for /Ťüŕķîýàóí because it's inspired by Turkish prisons and bath houses and oil wrestling.
Why is it rusty? Please answer without sounding mad or coping/
A rusty carrier is a trusty carrier.
>no ramp door
NGMI
It fell off.
Ramp needs a rail for the heli to grind on
Honestly I will like long ramps as opposed to western short ones, they're basically no different to flat carriers with cats, the takeoff weight is pretty similar as long as you get that extra length added to the carrier itself and its not actually inhibiting the normal takeoff run up.
>inhibiting the normal takeoff run up
>takeoff run up
anon… take a second look at the picture
>Long ramps
>As opposed to western short ramps
Anon... That carrier is a Juan Carlos I class. From Spain. The design is western, it was made in the west, just because it got sold to the roaches doesn't mean its not western.
>(Hint: every carrier design you can probably imagine IS western, because only the west is innovating on that. Because no one but NATO has any projecting power, and Turkey doesn't have any brains.)
The spanish navy puts actual jets (namely Harriers) on theirs. That's why they designed it with a ramp. The turks haven't been able to get jets that can actually use theirs, because they decided to buy S400 and NATO didn't like that, so they're coping by puting choppers in theirs. A tradition they ironically also copied from Spain, as before the transition to democracy, Franco also coped by putting choppers on an "aircraft carrier" lmao.
>The spanish navy puts actual jets (namely Harriers) on theirs
oh an actual reasonable response, I can excuse a ramp for based Harrier enjoyers.
Long thick ramps are overhyped, curved ramps feel much better for the pilots
I didn't know Turkey had a navy
Are catapults really that fricking hard to build?How does nobody else have them?
They are.
They take a lot of energy, so you have to refuel at sea more or fly less. You have to design a ship with that machinery space, so the ship is larger. They take a little more space on the deck than a STOVL fighter with a ramp needs so you also need a large enough carrier. Because you'll be landing with arrestor wires, you should angle the flight deck so that you actually have space to park planes, take off planes, and land planes, so that'll be a yet larger carrier (you don't want to land a big AEW or transport plane but then snap the wires on a non-angled deck). You have to design air planes that can withstand the catapult launches and arrested landings. You also then have to actually go buy other planes like AEW planes cause you've already spent so much money that it'd be wasteful to not spend a little more in order to get so much more capability.
After you've done all that, you've spent like four or five times as much money, assuming you're as skilled at making a super carrier and CATOBAR airwing on your first try as you are at making a ramp carrier and STOVL airwing.
They obliterate airframes too, even when functioning perfectly they shorten a plane's useful life. EMALS is supposed to mostly fix this because the impulse isn't as aggresive, but it still doesn't quite work properly.
They look stupid and they severely limit planes and payloads you can launch. It's also kind of embarassing as a country to give up on a better technology because it's hard. Lightbulbs were hard to figure out, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable to light your home with candles forever. From practical perspective though, the United States is really the only country capable of developing something like EMALS domestically, so your options are to buy from the U.S. like France, or fail to develop your own CATOBAR system, run out of money, give up, and go back to ramps like England.
The limitation on what planes you can use is also just not that big a deal for most countries. If you have light planes, that's really all you're likely planing to use on a carrier, with the obvious exceptions of any actual superpower wishing to play world police (which is only USA and arguably China... note that I say WISH, not SUCCEED, if it was the second just the USA lmao.)
From the perspective of when/where this was developped it made perfect sense. Spain wanted a carrier that can use Harriers for very minor patrol shit bertween the canaries and the mainland, and at most maybe getting sent for policing missions abroad. So, EMALS would've not only been expensive as frick but also broken the poor things, or at the very least increased costs considerably. Hence, this rampy boy.
Then Turkey bought it thinking it was gonna put F35s on it. And it can indeed also handle those, so from the perspective of mediterranean dick measuring, one of these with F-35 on board is probably more than enough, arguably already overkill.
But welp, they never did get those F-35 after all lmao.
Point is. I for one do make fun of ramps. But only when the ones using them are trying to act tough. Ramps are a declaration. That declaration being "we didn't wanna waste more money on an air patrol". If you use them I get it. If you use them and then try to tell me you're a supah poopah 2025 supreme master race... I'm just gonna laugh my ass off.
>so from the perspective of mediterranean dick measuring, one of these with F-35 on board is probably more than enough
Eh, is it? Italy has 2 carriers with an F-35 airwing. France has a single carrier (albeit larger) with Rafales. Roaches have already lost the dick measuring contest from the start, assuming they will ever reach their peak dick size (full F-35 airwing).
Since the F-35 beats the rafale hands down, had they actually gotten them, they'd already be better than France and Spain, with only Italy above them on the med power status. At least when it comes to naval carrier groups anyway (roaches are still roaches, no amount of glitz gonna cover that). So yeah, I'd say it'd have been enough. But, well, again, roachie gonna roach. Couldn't help themselves, got slapped down, and now they're greece tier. Lmao.
>Since the F-35 beats the rafale hands down
Generally I'd agree, but these would be piloted by roaches, so I'm not sure.
Yes they are. Basically you have to design the entire ship around them, and the benefits are not worth the costs 90% of the times. If you had to project power from long distances then it's good, but if you're a regional power that doesn't have a hegemony to protect, like the USA, then a ramp is more than sufficient.
If catapults are so bad, why does /k/ always make fun of ships with ramps?
because this place is filled with insecure americans that have to remind us how stronk they are by mocking all military doctrines that are not strictly based on aggressive foreign policies and oil wars the other side of the planet. this is why they have to relentlessly mock every regional power that doesn't want a trillion dollar floating bankrupcy just so that their jets could take off with half an hour worth of fuel more.
They also break down all the time. Almost every Admiral has spoken out against them.
So surely you could post Admirals from a navy with CATOBAR carriers speaking out against them, right? Surely you aren't just sour grapes posting?
>cuck ramp
>ramp
Even flow starts playing.
I imagine myself in Europe, leading my Platoon. Our mission is to stop wh*Te dogs from advancing. We mow down wh*Te dogs but they keep coming. I shoot wh*Te dogs but I run out of ammo so I draw my sword and begin slaughtering wh*Tes, since wh*Tes are way more psychially inferior to me, I slay them by dozens. Then I get shot, but I didn't fall, I kept fighting. Then shot again and again. wh*Tes were shooting me from a distance like the cowards they are. I lie down, facing up to sky and I see KARA BOĞA (Tengri) smiling at me, I smile back… Then I woke up, in africa, my homeland. My BLACK brethen gave me a warm welcome to heaven. I finally made it, I finally made it into heaven..
Very wholesome anon.
We whites always appreciate Black folk dying doesn't matter where they're from, turkey or sub Sahara Africa
KARA BOGA
Wait, are you dying and waking up in Heaven or Africa? Because those are two very different things. Or is this the mythical Africa like from comic books and shit where Yakub and Wakanda are from?
WHY!?
smoking section
time out corner
the front fell off
save weight since the layout of the flight deck makes that space unusable for aircraft.
also it looks like some sort of mounted weapons station, it being recessed below the level of the flight deck is pretty standard, that way there is no possible way that an aircraft can strike any part of the weapons mounts during takeoff.
but mostly just the layout of the ramp means you can easily park stuff there without potentially obstructing flight ops, given that theres no reason to build the section up to the level of the flight deck at all. its a few thousand kilos of displacement they can now use some other more sensible way. Yes it look weird, but military stuff often does, CVs(this is not a CV this is some sort of amphib/helicopter carrier/LHD thing) often look weird as frick. Like the image of them is ingrained in us as this big imposing iconic shape but if you put that aside and actually LOOK AT THEM they all look fricking stunge with shit sticking out every weird place and nothing is quite straight and everything is tilted or off center a bit.
Like the defensive fields of fire are usually laid out with diagonal symmetry, with weapons stations on opposite corners of the ship Fore-port/Aft-starboard that sort of thing.
What do helicopters need a ramp for...?
Turkish helicopters have no cyclic. They need the ramp to tip the rotor backwards so they can move off the ship.
Doing sick tricks
Waow, this is even more pathetic than ruzzian so called "carrier". Impressive.
Gonna look great with great big scorched holes in it. Soon.
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it was supposed to launch F-35Bs but since thats off the table they are now touting it as a drone carrier wirh Bayraktar making this thingie for it.
Turkey will never be a superpower, Turan will never exist and Turks, Bosniaks and Albanians will never, EVER be white.
What happens here?
Probably was meant for some kind of AA system.
There seems to be some sort of CIWS installation, plus a rather lonely-looking .50 cal.
Lookout for obstacles?
Osmanian gay sex corner, as mandated by turkish military doctrine
Köksal Baba's den
Does turkey even have any carrier capable planes?
no, this is an amphibious assault ship. it can accomodate up to 10 F35-Bs in theory.
>it can accomodate up to 10 F35-Bs in theory.
That would be very nice, if only they had any F35-Bs.
Can you stop using the moronic forced meme name for the roach country thanks
but why? Where are they going to project power?
follö$hu kurtar fakir fukara tırrrrrrq
Better than Iran's tanker conversion.
This past july, I was in Istanbul, since my ship was visiting it for it's foundation anniversary. We were invited to the Turkish Naval Academy. The school seems large enough, and most of their cadets were pretty fluent in english (They were plebes turning second graders though) The tech seemed kinda old tbh, the classrooms, navigation simulator and laboratories had really old mid 2000-early 2010's computers. Their guards were armed with MP5's, HK G3's and FN FAL's.
It didn't seem to me as they were that strong for an european/asian nation, however, we were coming from the UK and we had a chance to see the RN up close, and the technological differences were abysmal.
Of course, coming from fricking Latin America, the Turkish navy didn't seem quite bad at all, better than most of the south american countries and naval academies we visited afterwards
I should add the context that I'm studying in a naval academy myself and we were doing an instruction cruise in a tallship.
We invited them to the ship after our visit to their academy, and we ended up getting them all drunk. Challenge coin, patches, badges and pin exchange was really fun.
The fact that they got submarines, a carrier and a large ammount of patrol frigates makes them quite a serious navy despite not being the strongest, backed up by a lot of history.
I dunno. It needs to pass one final test & this bad boy right here will determine whether it's cool or lame
>Pretty cool right?
Better than Russia's.