ruler of Lithuania become Polish king after marrying into Polish line - since then he was both king of kingdom of Poland and duke of duchy of Lithuania...
do you brainlets really believe that only way to create commonwealth was trough military conquest?
Also Pioruns, AT Missiles, FA-50 Fighters etc.
What is more, compulsory military service will return for sure!
We are preparing for Round 2 with Russia in 2026.
Can't even begin to imagine the utter confusion everywhere.
I suppose the germans wouldn't even resist, knowing fully well that NATO will call the poles off and nothing serious will happen. In which shape that will happen I don't know. Afterwards, germany will demand and probably receive temporary allied occupation and reeducation of poland. Apart from that, it'll be a slap on the wrist. But the poles will pride themselves on having taken berlin for the next 300 years.
You assume NATO has a half life longer than those military purchases. It really doesn't, mostly thanks to France and Germany who don't want to play ball. NATO is again functionally just US having bilateral dealings with various countries.
Germany is a Russian ally, it just didn't update it's populace on it. Germany's goal is to squeeze US out of Europe and then keep working in tandem with Russia. >Rest of EU
man you really love those house of card constructions, don't you?
Polish politicians (doesn't matter what party are they from) experienced a concussion in 24 of February. They knew Russia is not a friendly country towards us but other than just talking and gaining votes over anty Russian emotions they didn't do much about it in military aspect. Now they have heavy diarrhea.
It's that simple.
Not all countries are like the US where you have plans years ahead and you make these plans happen no matter what president is in White House now
Opposite of what you describe: finally the politicians have the momentum to expand the military budget. You want to pretend it's the rich politician that shrinks from expenditures then go ahead, be wrong. lol Now with the war there's nobody to take advantage of discontent with throwing money out the window.
This is exacly like when Poland lost a simulation to Russia, but on roids and you want to pretend politicians were the ones lagging behind. Democracy and comatose public opinion is what lagged.
>Germany is a Russian ally, it just didn't update it's populace on it. Germany's goal is to squeeze US out of Europe and then keep working in tandem with Russia.
You need to lay off the PiSnews my polak.
Anyway, if you think you can attack germany without any repercussions whatsoever, you're in for a world of hurt. Starting with the mother of all economic crises.
Black person please. Germany is fricking useless and has no goals except to keep producing stuff.
And even if did have goals it has zero means to accomplish those.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, Germany has the goal of producing money from EU's misery as it makes a hydrogen monopoly out of it's nordstream supply since the gas burning will emmit co2 in Russia. Destroy atom, make gas and hydrogen only supplements to hydro and solar, there ya go. It also looks to use Russian muscle to blackmail Eastern Europe into compliance.
Did I say they are trying to conquer something, Einstein? lol Germany is coasting on NATO but has zero plans on keeping it alive. Macron goes around crowing about brain death of NATO and an end to the Atlantic order. They binned the status quo long ago.
>Germany is a Russian ally, it just didn't update it's populace on it. Germany's goal is to squeeze US out of Europe and then keep working in tandem with Russia.
You need to lay off the PiSnews my polak.
Anyway, if you think you can attack germany without any repercussions whatsoever, you're in for a world of hurt. Starting with the mother of all economic crises.
With a Russian amount of junk? Yes we can. lol Just like everyone was preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus until it came out Russians bungled again. The military buildup can just sit there and if Germany doesn't arm itself then over many permutations of international diplomatic relations Germany can hypothetically get rolled over w/o much repercussions, because guess what: nobody cares. Current kerfuffle over Ukraine is just US bumping the media to churn out propaganda. Otherwise it'd be as relevant as civil war in Ethiopia.
If Poland rolls into Germany, flattens resistance and France has still a significantly smaller land force then they'll grumble but do nothing and 5 years later nobody will even care. You have methodical destruction of Palestine with colonists from US and nobody bats an eye. Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany will capture the imagination for whole 5 minutes w/o some massive media campaign
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany will capture the imagination for whole 5 minutes w/o some massive media campaign
What the frick are you on about Jesse?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Has to be some goal to an invasion, numb nut.
https://i.imgur.com/dmHNDhs.gif
>Germany has the goal of producing money from EU's misery
wat >If Poland rolls into Germany, flattens resistance
wat >Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany
wat
[...]
I think there are 3 forces in working when it comes to what happened to west Europe,
1. Strategic decision to ally with Russia for natural resources, to push out US
2. Soft power RT, Malofeyev foundations (Russian Soros)
3. Gigantic corruption and infiltration by FSB/GRU
wat
wat is this moronation?
>wuuut
Germany diligently cuts off alternative energy routes to Europe like throught the Med. Suppresses initiatives like Spain trying to become a huge natural gas transit hub etc. Makes deals with Russia to keep the imports and undermine Ukraine by taking away it's only negotiating tool, which was the pipeline.
Those aren't hypotheticals, this all happened already. Along with twisting of Ukraine's arm to pl;edge closing down nuclear plants and maximize gas dependence. Germany's business plan is to get cheap resources and then be a quasi-monopolist to distribute surplus to the rest of the EU in return for working with Russians and appeasing their own ambitions.
I really can't spell it out more simply than that, oof.
Jesus Christ did you learn geopolitics from hearths of iron?
Feel free to say something smart any time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
PS also German politicians stated an ambition to close down atom in France. lol lmao Maybe that's part of the end of the age of abundance Macron was talking about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Germany has the goal of producing money from EU's misery
wat >If Poland rolls into Germany, flattens resistance
wat >Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany
wat
https://i.imgur.com/KDW5Z3B.jpg
Pic rel, they need to replace all this stuff
[...] >the simulation was "classified" and "leaked"
so? You realize it's Russians who always win in theirs war games, and there are still people from "old school" and think this is how it supposed to be in Poland
[...]
[...]
I think there are 3 forces in working when it comes to what happened to west Europe,
1. Strategic decision to ally with Russia for natural resources, to push out US
2. Soft power RT, Malofeyev foundations (Russian Soros)
3. Gigantic corruption and infiltration by FSB/GRU
Germany, UK, Finland, Austria ware complicit in gigantic (billions of dollars) monel money laundering trough banks (eg. Deutsche bank)
EU expoliticians in Russian companies:
Schröder (German Chancellor).
Schüssel (Austrian chancellor)
Fillon (prime minister of France).
Kneissl (Austrian Foreign Ministry).
Schelling (Austrian finance minister)
Voscherau (SPD politician).
Lipponen (prime minister of Finland)
I think there are 3 forces in working when it comes to what happened to west Europe,
1. Strategic decision to ally with Russia for natural resources, to push out US
2. Soft power RT, Malofeyev foundations (Russian Soros)
3. Gigantic corruption and infiltration by FSB/GRU
wat
wat is this moronation?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>wat >wat >wat
Single digit IQ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
wat
2 years ago
Anonymous
huh?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ did you learn geopolitics from hearths of iron?
>This is exacly like when Poland lost a simulation to Russia
That's actually normal and expected in the western military simulations. You simulate worst case scenario for yourself and best for your enemy. This whole debacle was just dishonest reporting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the simulation was "classified" and "leaked". You ought to realize what I'm hinting at. Admin did a mind game even before Ukraine to soften the democratic system to expenditures. The idea that democratically elected politicians are monolithically averse to spending or that they're unaware of threats just because they don't act on them is ridiculous on it's face.
The Frogs and Krauts are just angling for influence. They're happy to see america getting a bit poorer, and they're happy to see countries on the edge of europe get a bit weaker and a bit more afraid. That strengthens them, relative to the others.
If there was a real danger of russia invading europe they would be back at nato's feet immediately.
Can america seriously complain, they were happy to sit on the sidelines for WWI & II, then run in at the end to claim credit. Don't cry when your allies turn out to be as unreliable as you are...
>sit on the sidelines for WWI & II
They were giving out critical supplies years before they entered both world wars. They cut-off Oil for Japan when they were starting to encroach on European colonies in SEA. When the war did start the US was the only power doing the heavy lifting in the Pacific and crippled the IJN to the point they could no longer go on the offensive. This coupled with the fact they were only supposed to be focusing on defeating Nazi Germany first.
I don't get this narrative that the US only entered at the end of both world wars and didn't contribute anything of note, the allies not starving as much as the Japs or Germans directly contradict that. They only declared war a year or 2 later than the other countries, so what? They tipped the balance in WW1 and entered when the allies were LOSING in WW2.
>then run in at the end to claim credit
Every country the fought the Germans claims credit for toppling the Nazis. Give me a break.
We're entering a period where ww3 is ever more likely and Russia is again the first to start shit. Having a deterrent can stop the whole line of dominos from falling. Poland ought to have a gofundme, because a big force there will save everyone money and lives in the long term.
They don't, they just don't like the implied insult. It's like a rapist who cuts a 'remember-me' mark into someone. Chances are the Russians there will be forcibly expelled with all their property being seized and the city just bulldozed gradually to be rebuilt, since it's a dump.
Polish politicians (doesn't matter what party are they from) experienced a concussion in 24 of February. They knew Russia is not a friendly country towards us but other than just talking and gaining votes over anty Russian emotions they didn't do much about it in military aspect. Now they have heavy diarrhea.
It's that simple.
Not all countries are like the US where you have plans years ahead and you make these plans happen no matter what president is in White House now
Our Orban/Edrogan honestly believe that putin killed his twin brother
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster
I hate this little commie homie like you wouldnt believe, but i trust in his pure hatred of russians.
>but i trust in his pure hatred of russians
honestly, political alignments or ethnicity dont matter to me as long as you hate russians you are a friend of mine
.t balt
When you live so close to ziggers you can't just stand there and hope for the best case scenario.
Sure right now any Russian attack against NATO countries is highly unlikely but what if isolationist gain power in US? What if Le Pen wins in France and second wave of anti-EU and anti-NATO sentiment starts in western Europe?
You can't just count on others to provide your safet, especially if we're talking about next 30 or 40 years because situation can change much faster than you can rearm.
It's better to be safe than sorry when you're risking being overrun by hordes of Russian subhumans.
>what if isolationist gain power in US?
There's no such thing or threat. No party that is credibly, realistically isolationist will win power in the modern US. Even Trump was out there launching strikes on Syria, assassinating Iranians, dropping a MOAB on like 30 dudes, and throwing SOF around left and right. The only credibly isolationist faction worth a damn in US politics are libertarians, and as far as an electability they're seen as a meme by practically everyone, even other burger conservatives. Le pen is a far more likelier outcome, and even then I'd wager not very much.
Germans are morons that prop up Russia for Thier energy Gibs, and exporting arms to Russia. Then worry about France and USA saying heh, nice beast you been feeding Germany good luck with that.
Germany never learned that not being nazi doesn't mean stopping Lebensraum for yourself, but also not supporting to get benefits from another nation that does Lebensraum like Russia. Germany still lacks the ability to have personal responsibility for its actions.
Vastly overstating it. Germany was one of many customers of russian energy, and a very minor exporter of weapons. And russia just proved to not be a meaningful threat anyway, and never will be again if the sanctions are kept up. (Except to ukraine... which could be alleviated if the west gave them the proper gear, which I admit germany fails utterly at.)
Vastly overstating it. Germany was one of many customers of russian energy, and a very minor exporter of weapons. And russia just proved to not be a meaningful threat anyway, and never will be again if the sanctions are kept up. (Except to ukraine... which could be alleviated if the west gave them the proper gear, which I admit germany fails utterly at.)
Btw. >lacks the ability to have personal responsibility
States have collective responsibility, not personal responsibility.
And you are sadly close to the truth there - though I would rather put it in terms of, germany lacks a strategic culture. Being prepared against potential threats requires the ability to consider other nations threats, and treat them with defiance, rather than trying to placate them until they become friends. And that is very close to wrongthink for the traditional left of germany, who can only ever think of germany as the threat, not as the threatened.
The entire eastern part of Europe was practically 100% dependent on Russian gas before the war started. But only Germany propped up the Russian war chest since the eastern countries didn't pay for it, right?
Poland wasn't. The Baltics weren't. The smarter nations were trying to diversity their energy sources in case Putin inevitably spergs out. Because when he spergs out, was just a matter of time.
>what if isolationist gain power in US?
There's no such thing or threat. No party that is credibly, realistically isolationist will win power in the modern US. Even Trump was out there launching strikes on Syria, assassinating Iranians, dropping a MOAB on like 30 dudes, and throwing SOF around left and right. The only credibly isolationist faction worth a damn in US politics are libertarians, and as far as an electability they're seen as a meme by practically everyone, even other burger conservatives. Le pen is a far more likelier outcome, and even then I'd wager not very much.
The other possibility is that the US goes into civil war after all, which comes out to basically the same in the end.
IMO all of europe should strive for a nuclear deterrent - perhaps, for the moment, only in french hands, but set up in such a way that it can be easily transferred to any other state.
I also believe the civil war thing to be a meme, but I do agree that Euros could do with a credible nuclear deterrent against China and Russia, collectively. With all due respect to the Frogs, I think they were tolerable as the only continental nuclear power in Western Europe during the Cold War. Their politics are too moronic to depend on in the modern era, and that puts the non-nuclear continental lads in an unfair kind of limbo, strategically.
I could imagine some kind of EU vote system where member states vote on if they'd like French nukes to be transferred to another state, but frick knows France would never go for it. Better to just pursue joint nuclear programs across the states with the infrastructure to fabricate them.
The US will never allow an independent EU nuclear weapons program. They would lose the biggest piece of leverage they have on the continent, their nuclear umbrella is more or less a guarantee for safety. They can enforce alot of political control on the continent with that.
>but what if isolationist gain power in US?
I'd say a bigger risk is out increasingly brown country not caring about Europe, just whatever gibs abuela can get
I strongly doubt Poland is preparing for something, be it offensive war or defense against orcs. Poland is one of the only countries that still use (although after lots of modernisations) soviet gear, such as tanks, planes and apcs. The thing is, Ukraine uses the same equipment, has a logistical and training background for it, and arguably one of the most important thing is those can be repainted to look exactly like vehicles stored in ukrainian warehouses before the war, so it won't ever get to public knowledge that
a) Poland is very low on military gear now, because it's all in Ukraine
b) Oficially Poland has contributed some tanks, artillery and apcs, yes. The word on the street is that official numbers are not even a half.
And Poland, after contributing all it's military hardware to Ukraine, needs to resuply, which goes in hand with modernisation of old equipment, and that's where new tanks and planes deals are coming from
the simulation was "classified" and "leaked". You ought to realize what I'm hinting at. Admin did a mind game even before Ukraine to soften the democratic system to expenditures. The idea that democratically elected politicians are monolithically averse to spending or that they're unaware of threats just because they don't act on them is ridiculous on it's face.
>the simulation was "classified" and "leaked"
so? You realize it's Russians who always win in theirs war games, and there are still people from "old school" and think this is how it supposed to be in Poland
>Germany is a Russian ally, it just didn't update it's populace on it. Germany's goal is to squeeze US out of Europe and then keep working in tandem with Russia.
You need to lay off the PiSnews my polak.
Anyway, if you think you can attack germany without any repercussions whatsoever, you're in for a world of hurt. Starting with the mother of all economic crises.
Yes, Germany has the goal of producing money from EU's misery as it makes a hydrogen monopoly out of it's nordstream supply since the gas burning will emmit co2 in Russia. Destroy atom, make gas and hydrogen only supplements to hydro and solar, there ya go. It also looks to use Russian muscle to blackmail Eastern Europe into compliance.
Did I say they are trying to conquer something, Einstein? lol Germany is coasting on NATO but has zero plans on keeping it alive. Macron goes around crowing about brain death of NATO and an end to the Atlantic order. They binned the status quo long ago.
[...]
With a Russian amount of junk? Yes we can. lol Just like everyone was preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus until it came out Russians bungled again. The military buildup can just sit there and if Germany doesn't arm itself then over many permutations of international diplomatic relations Germany can hypothetically get rolled over w/o much repercussions, because guess what: nobody cares. Current kerfuffle over Ukraine is just US bumping the media to churn out propaganda. Otherwise it'd be as relevant as civil war in Ethiopia.
If Poland rolls into Germany, flattens resistance and France has still a significantly smaller land force then they'll grumble but do nothing and 5 years later nobody will even care. You have methodical destruction of Palestine with colonists from US and nobody bats an eye. Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany will capture the imagination for whole 5 minutes w/o some massive media campaign
I think there are 3 forces in working when it comes to what happened to west Europe,
1. Strategic decision to ally with Russia for natural resources, to push out US
2. Soft power RT, Malofeyev foundations (Russian Soros)
3. Gigantic corruption and infiltration by FSB/GRU
Germany, UK, Finland, Austria ware complicit in gigantic (billions of dollars) monel money laundering trough banks (eg. Deutsche bank)
EU expoliticians in Russian companies:
Schröder (German Chancellor).
Schüssel (Austrian chancellor)
Fillon (prime minister of France).
Kneissl (Austrian Foreign Ministry).
Schelling (Austrian finance minister)
Voscherau (SPD politician).
Lipponen (prime minister of Finland)
Y'all morons, all it comes to is if:
1) USA will guaranty Poland safety with nuclear retaliation if Russia would use nukes, or
2) Poland will get acces to nukes,
even if Poland will beat the alcoholism out of Russian future invasion then guess what, they can't do shit about the Russian nukes
And it doesnt matter if only 10% of their nuclear arsenal is working 10% is enough
I suspect that if Ukraine loses this war, Poland is going to be acquiring a nuclear deterrent (probably with the help of Ukrainian nuclear scientists now living in exile) and making secret arrangements with the Baltic states independent of NATO to come to their defense in the event of any Russian attack.
Indeed, and I suspect that if the Ukrainian Army is in serious danger of being decisively defeated in the field, America will go to war with Russia for the exact same reason. The former carries great risk but is preferable to the massive nuclear proliferation that would be guaranteed to ensue in the event of a Russian victory.
>poland has been modernizing for years >2022 war takes off >gives ukraine some of the older soviet gear since they share a lot of the same equipment >germany to the surprise of no one didn’t work out >south korea works out deals with poland for all sorts of shit >now poland gets kpop and south korea gets kiełbasa and pierogi
Simple as, Poland just wants to make sure it can deal with any vatnik bullshit as much as it can.
I don;t remember having 2k latest gen tanks in 2021. I see a lot of people hellbent on brushing this off but Poland is heading towards 5% of budget going to the military vs something like 2% previously.
When the dust settles Germany will rearm. I'm 100% convinced of this. The first 100bilion injection is a good start and desperately needed, they have a lot of gaps to fill and catching up to do. I think people underestimate how much money Germany can and eventually will pump in its defence capabilities once they fixxed their moronic energy policy. They kind of have too, it needs to be a counter weight on the continent. I think Germany being a weak military factor at this moment, of course combined with their dependency on Russian gas, emboldened Putin. Russia fears a strong Germany.
unironically becoming a regional power, after the deal signed today Poland gives security guarantees to two neighboring countries, Slovakia and Lithuania, if Poland keeps improving its military it can expand the security umbrella even further over smaller neighboring countries limiting German influence in the region.
Three seas initiative limits German economic influence, and bilateral security deals limit German military involvement.
I think Poland should convince Luka to flip and be a Polish ally instead of Russia’s.
The west has become increasingly intolerant of dictators, which has fricked up our strategic goals and ability to defeat China and Russia geopolitically.
Franco was a supporter of Hitler and Mussolini yet the west played along with him because he was anti commie.
The west should build inroads with Luka, promise him no “International Criminal Court” horseshit and a roadmap to being a wealthy potato farmer in retirement after Putin dies.
It's not possible, he already rejected "Eastern Partnership", since last elections he fallowed schizo path ("it's all CIA job") of Putin. He will be subsidized by Russia which itself will be subsidized by China... They will be European North Korea
It's Poland, OP. They see their larger neighbors starting to annex shit and they get real nervous. It's natural. Never know when my country or yours might sell them out the back door to buy a couple months
I hate appeasment Black folk so much it's fricking unreal. It's not just that they're cowards, they're also incredibly fricking naive and stupid, to the point where I'm suspecting that they're Russian shills who are faking it.
I legitimately find Incel Slave Z shills to be more tolerable because at least they take a side and don't hide their loyalties like two-faced scum.
So how is he wrong?
The countries giving plenty are former warsaw pact countryes+ finland or don't have a lot of dependence on Russia.
And you guys fowl over Turkey which has only increased trade with Russia
The UK giving stuff isn't a sign of moral highness as they get into any conflict good or bad (Iraq cough cough)
>So how is he wrong?
Gee I wonder, how could the increased possibility of war spreading on continental Europe hurt the strongest economy on continental Europe?
Honestly man, germans are in a hard place here. The ones of us here on /k/ are itching to give russia a taste of german engineering, but the cucks in chief say no. In return, poles and various others are attacking germany as a nation itself, which gives us little choice but defend them. My country, right or wrong, you know the deal.
>My country, right or wrong, you know the deal.
String Scholz up on a lamppost and let greens take power. The fricking ecobabies are more war-minded then any of you pussies.
>My country, right or wrong, you know the deal
the eternal germoid. i would murder kaczyński the moment the fat manlet moron ever even pretended to think about attacking anything west of the oder.
replacing lots of old nearly obsolete armaments that are being donated to Ukraine with something more modern that can be serviced (as maintaining post-Soviet weapons with sanctions on Russia and Ukraine having its own problems is hard)...
Plus its cheaper maintenance vise in the long run and donated stuff is used in a way it was meant to be used... on battlefield... i don't see why we would need another reason for it?
Realistically, replacing all the sovietshit, which they are giving to ukraine to tide them over while they prepare to transition their logistics to NATO shit, while also expanding their shit in case the russians are moronic enough to get curbstomped in an unjustified war of conquest on a second country
Hopefully, they're getting ready to restore their historical borders, of which moscow historically was a part.
German and Dutch laboratory never found mercury in rivers, whole vatniks propaganda was debunked, did you don't get latest memo from olgino troll farm Ivan?
German and Dutch laboratory never found mercury in rivers, whole vatniks propaganda was debunked, did you don't get latest memo from olgino troll farm Ivan?
Current state of affairs is that there was a toxic algae bloom, which was partly because of the heat and low water, but probably also because of saline dumps. Under normal conditions those are a nothingburger, and whatever happened is definitely temporary, so it's not such a big topic. Mercury levels are normal (there's mercury in the sediment from commie times, maybe some of that got scooped into this one test that showed increased levels). Pesticide levels are increased, but that's also of minor importance (didn't stop PiS from screeching when the germans pointed it out though).
>which was partly because of the heat and low water, b
something says me the Polish INternet Defense force will bring this up a lot > but probably also because of saline dumps.
and deny this
>which was partly because of the heat and low water, b
something says me the Polish INternet Defense force will bring this up a lot > but probably also because of saline dumps.
and deny this
Wars over clay are useless, and only employed by third-world shitholes who exist via selling raw resources, like Russia. There's literally nothing there of interest - just Russians, poverty, and crumbling infrastructure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also, nuclear weapons pointed at Polish allies, and one of Russia's few decent ports. Not important enough?
We are not really up to anything. You got to understand that polish army for past 30 years was a meme army that was mostly still using soviet times equipment as each gov believed in that there won't be any wars in Europe anymore. Now with half of our shit ending up in Ukraine and 30 years of neglect in modernization our gov is panic buying everything they can. Also they got slap in the face as "wake up to reality" that NATO troops won't suddenly teleport to Poland in case of war and we need a sizeable land army to defend ourselves.
Poland has taken a hard look at Kaliningrad, Belarus, and Ukraine. Quite reasonably they have concluded that their entire Eastern border is a war zone for the remainder of the current generation. And, possibly, the entire next generation. This isn't a clusterfrick that is going to be forgotten by 2050, or 2065.
Any country that isn't taking immediate steps & precautions with that certainty in mind is committing suicide. That's also why the outcome of this conflict is so important, and that it never be allowed to happen again.
dont worry about it :DDDD
>worry about it
Will he be folded by the end of 2022.
Russia is the only country in the world that celebrates independence from Poland
Lithuania and Belarus are proud of their Polish occupation?
Lithuania (and their possession of Belarus) was a personal union
ruler of Lithuania become Polish king after marrying into Polish line - since then he was both king of kingdom of Poland and duke of duchy of Lithuania...
do you brainlets really believe that only way to create commonwealth was trough military conquest?
i just checked. and holy frick its true. n wonder russia is so angry at poland xD
Also Pioruns, AT Missiles, FA-50 Fighters etc.
What is more, compulsory military service will return for sure!
We are preparing for Round 2 with Russia in 2026.
>compulsory military service will return
Voluntary military service my dude.
what if poland goes west instead of east?
Can't even begin to imagine the utter confusion everywhere.
I suppose the germans wouldn't even resist, knowing fully well that NATO will call the poles off and nothing serious will happen. In which shape that will happen I don't know. Afterwards, germany will demand and probably receive temporary allied occupation and reeducation of poland. Apart from that, it'll be a slap on the wrist. But the poles will pride themselves on having taken berlin for the next 300 years.
You assume NATO has a half life longer than those military purchases. It really doesn't, mostly thanks to France and Germany who don't want to play ball. NATO is again functionally just US having bilateral dealings with various countries.
Yeah if you think the US are cool with one ally attacking another...
Btw the rest of the EU is to be considered as well.
Germany is a Russian ally, it just didn't update it's populace on it. Germany's goal is to squeeze US out of Europe and then keep working in tandem with Russia.
>Rest of EU
man you really love those house of card constructions, don't you?
Opposite of what you describe: finally the politicians have the momentum to expand the military budget. You want to pretend it's the rich politician that shrinks from expenditures then go ahead, be wrong. lol Now with the war there's nobody to take advantage of discontent with throwing money out the window.
This is exacly like when Poland lost a simulation to Russia, but on roids and you want to pretend politicians were the ones lagging behind. Democracy and comatose public opinion is what lagged.
>Germany is a Russian ally, it just didn't update it's populace on it. Germany's goal is to squeeze US out of Europe and then keep working in tandem with Russia.
You need to lay off the PiSnews my polak.
Anyway, if you think you can attack germany without any repercussions whatsoever, you're in for a world of hurt. Starting with the mother of all economic crises.
Black person please. Germany is fricking useless and has no goals except to keep producing stuff.
And even if did have goals it has zero means to accomplish those.
Yes, Germany has the goal of producing money from EU's misery as it makes a hydrogen monopoly out of it's nordstream supply since the gas burning will emmit co2 in Russia. Destroy atom, make gas and hydrogen only supplements to hydro and solar, there ya go. It also looks to use Russian muscle to blackmail Eastern Europe into compliance.
Did I say they are trying to conquer something, Einstein? lol Germany is coasting on NATO but has zero plans on keeping it alive. Macron goes around crowing about brain death of NATO and an end to the Atlantic order. They binned the status quo long ago.
With a Russian amount of junk? Yes we can. lol Just like everyone was preparing to throw Ukraine under the bus until it came out Russians bungled again. The military buildup can just sit there and if Germany doesn't arm itself then over many permutations of international diplomatic relations Germany can hypothetically get rolled over w/o much repercussions, because guess what: nobody cares. Current kerfuffle over Ukraine is just US bumping the media to churn out propaganda. Otherwise it'd be as relevant as civil war in Ethiopia.
If Poland rolls into Germany, flattens resistance and France has still a significantly smaller land force then they'll grumble but do nothing and 5 years later nobody will even care. You have methodical destruction of Palestine with colonists from US and nobody bats an eye. Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany will capture the imagination for whole 5 minutes w/o some massive media campaign
>Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany will capture the imagination for whole 5 minutes w/o some massive media campaign
What the frick are you on about Jesse?
Has to be some goal to an invasion, numb nut.
>wuuut
Germany diligently cuts off alternative energy routes to Europe like throught the Med. Suppresses initiatives like Spain trying to become a huge natural gas transit hub etc. Makes deals with Russia to keep the imports and undermine Ukraine by taking away it's only negotiating tool, which was the pipeline.
Those aren't hypotheticals, this all happened already. Along with twisting of Ukraine's arm to pl;edge closing down nuclear plants and maximize gas dependence. Germany's business plan is to get cheap resources and then be a quasi-monopolist to distribute surplus to the rest of the EU in return for working with Russians and appeasing their own ambitions.
I really can't spell it out more simply than that, oof.
Feel free to say something smart any time.
PS also German politicians stated an ambition to close down atom in France. lol lmao Maybe that's part of the end of the age of abundance Macron was talking about.
>Germany has the goal of producing money from EU's misery
wat
>If Poland rolls into Germany, flattens resistance
wat
>Poland making some German bantustans out of Germany
wat
I think there are 3 forces in working when it comes to what happened to west Europe,
1. Strategic decision to ally with Russia for natural resources, to push out US
2. Soft power RT, Malofeyev foundations (Russian Soros)
3. Gigantic corruption and infiltration by FSB/GRU
wat
wat is this moronation?
>wat
>wat
>wat
Single digit IQ?
wat
huh?
Jesus Christ did you learn geopolitics from hearths of iron?
>This is exacly like when Poland lost a simulation to Russia
That's actually normal and expected in the western military simulations. You simulate worst case scenario for yourself and best for your enemy. This whole debacle was just dishonest reporting.
the simulation was "classified" and "leaked". You ought to realize what I'm hinting at. Admin did a mind game even before Ukraine to soften the democratic system to expenditures. The idea that democratically elected politicians are monolithically averse to spending or that they're unaware of threats just because they don't act on them is ridiculous on it's face.
>Germany is a Russian ally
Ok, Ivan.
The Frogs and Krauts are just angling for influence. They're happy to see america getting a bit poorer, and they're happy to see countries on the edge of europe get a bit weaker and a bit more afraid. That strengthens them, relative to the others.
If there was a real danger of russia invading europe they would be back at nato's feet immediately.
Can america seriously complain, they were happy to sit on the sidelines for WWI & II, then run in at the end to claim credit. Don't cry when your allies turn out to be as unreliable as you are...
>sit on the sidelines for WWI & II
They were giving out critical supplies years before they entered both world wars. They cut-off Oil for Japan when they were starting to encroach on European colonies in SEA. When the war did start the US was the only power doing the heavy lifting in the Pacific and crippled the IJN to the point they could no longer go on the offensive. This coupled with the fact they were only supposed to be focusing on defeating Nazi Germany first.
I don't get this narrative that the US only entered at the end of both world wars and didn't contribute anything of note, the allies not starving as much as the Japs or Germans directly contradict that. They only declared war a year or 2 later than the other countries, so what? They tipped the balance in WW1 and entered when the allies were LOSING in WW2.
>then run in at the end to claim credit
Every country the fought the Germans claims credit for toppling the Nazis. Give me a break.
We're entering a period where ww3 is ever more likely and Russia is again the first to start shit. Having a deterrent can stop the whole line of dominos from falling. Poland ought to have a gofundme, because a big force there will save everyone money and lives in the long term.
comeuppance.
>Poland ought to have a gofundme, because a big force there will save everyone money and lives in the long term.
Literally what EU gibs are.
>We're entering a period where ww3 is ever more likely and Russia is again the first to start shit.
Serbs started shit in WW1. Never count the Serbs out.
>implying their first target wouldn't be that disgusting infected appendix to the north
Konigsberg? I wasn't aware Poles had any sentimentality toward Russia's war trophy.
They don't, they just don't like the implied insult. It's like a rapist who cuts a 'remember-me' mark into someone. Chances are the Russians there will be forcibly expelled with all their property being seized and the city just bulldozed gradually to be rebuilt, since it's a dump.
>what if poland goes west instead of east?
Poland dies.
>Polish occupation of Germany
This needs to happen. German problem needs to be solved.
>polish industry comes to a grinding stop as soon as EU gibs dont hold it up anymore
This is obviously farcical, but if they somehow did do it, the German military would collapse. It is pretty shit and neglected.
But then France and the UK could frick them up, let alone the US.
>France also rapes Germany
>Britain watches as the EU eats itself alive
Germany gets their lands back.
Pic rel - historically and morally fair borders for Germany
Polish politicians (doesn't matter what party are they from) experienced a concussion in 24 of February. They knew Russia is not a friendly country towards us but other than just talking and gaining votes over anty Russian emotions they didn't do much about it in military aspect. Now they have heavy diarrhea.
It's that simple.
Not all countries are like the US where you have plans years ahead and you make these plans happen no matter what president is in White House now
Our Orban/Edrogan honestly believe that putin killed his twin brother
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster
I hate this little commie homie like you wouldnt believe, but i trust in his pure hatred of russians.
>but i trust in his pure hatred of russians
honestly, political alignments or ethnicity dont matter to me as long as you hate russians you are a friend of mine
.t balt
understandable, have a nice day
When you live so close to ziggers you can't just stand there and hope for the best case scenario.
Sure right now any Russian attack against NATO countries is highly unlikely but what if isolationist gain power in US? What if Le Pen wins in France and second wave of anti-EU and anti-NATO sentiment starts in western Europe?
You can't just count on others to provide your safet, especially if we're talking about next 30 or 40 years because situation can change much faster than you can rearm.
It's better to be safe than sorry when you're risking being overrun by hordes of Russian subhumans.
t. Pole
>what if isolationist gain power in US? What if Le Pen wins in France?
Funny, in germany we're worried about the exact same things.
See
Germans are morons that prop up Russia for Thier energy Gibs, and exporting arms to Russia. Then worry about France and USA saying heh, nice beast you been feeding Germany good luck with that.
Germany never learned that not being nazi doesn't mean stopping Lebensraum for yourself, but also not supporting to get benefits from another nation that does Lebensraum like Russia. Germany still lacks the ability to have personal responsibility for its actions.
Vastly overstating it. Germany was one of many customers of russian energy, and a very minor exporter of weapons. And russia just proved to not be a meaningful threat anyway, and never will be again if the sanctions are kept up. (Except to ukraine... which could be alleviated if the west gave them the proper gear, which I admit germany fails utterly at.)
Btw.
>lacks the ability to have personal responsibility
States have collective responsibility, not personal responsibility.
And you are sadly close to the truth there - though I would rather put it in terms of, germany lacks a strategic culture. Being prepared against potential threats requires the ability to consider other nations threats, and treat them with defiance, rather than trying to placate them until they become friends. And that is very close to wrongthink for the traditional left of germany, who can only ever think of germany as the threat, not as the threatened.
The entire eastern part of Europe was practically 100% dependent on Russian gas before the war started. But only Germany propped up the Russian war chest since the eastern countries didn't pay for it, right?
Poland wasn't. The Baltics weren't. The smarter nations were trying to diversity their energy sources in case Putin inevitably spergs out. Because when he spergs out, was just a matter of time.
>what if isolationist gain power in US?
There's no such thing or threat. No party that is credibly, realistically isolationist will win power in the modern US. Even Trump was out there launching strikes on Syria, assassinating Iranians, dropping a MOAB on like 30 dudes, and throwing SOF around left and right. The only credibly isolationist faction worth a damn in US politics are libertarians, and as far as an electability they're seen as a meme by practically everyone, even other burger conservatives. Le pen is a far more likelier outcome, and even then I'd wager not very much.
The other possibility is that the US goes into civil war after all, which comes out to basically the same in the end.
IMO all of europe should strive for a nuclear deterrent - perhaps, for the moment, only in french hands, but set up in such a way that it can be easily transferred to any other state.
I also believe the civil war thing to be a meme, but I do agree that Euros could do with a credible nuclear deterrent against China and Russia, collectively. With all due respect to the Frogs, I think they were tolerable as the only continental nuclear power in Western Europe during the Cold War. Their politics are too moronic to depend on in the modern era, and that puts the non-nuclear continental lads in an unfair kind of limbo, strategically.
I could imagine some kind of EU vote system where member states vote on if they'd like French nukes to be transferred to another state, but frick knows France would never go for it. Better to just pursue joint nuclear programs across the states with the infrastructure to fabricate them.
The US will never allow an independent EU nuclear weapons program. They would lose the biggest piece of leverage they have on the continent, their nuclear umbrella is more or less a guarantee for safety. They can enforce alot of political control on the continent with that.
>but what if isolationist gain power in US?
I'd say a bigger risk is out increasingly brown country not caring about Europe, just whatever gibs abuela can get
I strongly doubt Poland is preparing for something, be it offensive war or defense against orcs. Poland is one of the only countries that still use (although after lots of modernisations) soviet gear, such as tanks, planes and apcs. The thing is, Ukraine uses the same equipment, has a logistical and training background for it, and arguably one of the most important thing is those can be repainted to look exactly like vehicles stored in ukrainian warehouses before the war, so it won't ever get to public knowledge that
a) Poland is very low on military gear now, because it's all in Ukraine
b) Oficially Poland has contributed some tanks, artillery and apcs, yes. The word on the street is that official numbers are not even a half.
And Poland, after contributing all it's military hardware to Ukraine, needs to resuply, which goes in hand with modernisation of old equipment, and that's where new tanks and planes deals are coming from
Pic rel, they need to replace all this stuff
>the simulation was "classified" and "leaked"
so? You realize it's Russians who always win in theirs war games, and there are still people from "old school" and think this is how it supposed to be in Poland
I think there are 3 forces in working when it comes to what happened to west Europe,
1. Strategic decision to ally with Russia for natural resources, to push out US
2. Soft power RT, Malofeyev foundations (Russian Soros)
3. Gigantic corruption and infiltration by FSB/GRU
Germany, UK, Finland, Austria ware complicit in gigantic (billions of dollars) monel money laundering trough banks (eg. Deutsche bank)
EU expoliticians in Russian companies:
Schröder (German Chancellor).
Schüssel (Austrian chancellor)
Fillon (prime minister of France).
Kneissl (Austrian Foreign Ministry).
Schelling (Austrian finance minister)
Voscherau (SPD politician).
Lipponen (prime minister of Finland)
Just in case we shit the bed.
t. Ukraine
Please don't.
t: Poland
Because they are doing their part like the others aren't except the UK and a few others. France and Germany are totally incompetent and unreliable.
Y'all morons, all it comes to is if:
1) USA will guaranty Poland safety with nuclear retaliation if Russia would use nukes, or
2) Poland will get acces to nukes,
even if Poland will beat the alcoholism out of Russian future invasion then guess what, they can't do shit about the Russian nukes
And it doesnt matter if only 10% of their nuclear arsenal is working 10% is enough
I suspect that if Ukraine loses this war, Poland is going to be acquiring a nuclear deterrent (probably with the help of Ukrainian nuclear scientists now living in exile) and making secret arrangements with the Baltic states independent of NATO to come to their defense in the event of any Russian attack.
It's be foolish not to do so.
Indeed, and I suspect that if the Ukrainian Army is in serious danger of being decisively defeated in the field, America will go to war with Russia for the exact same reason. The former carries great risk but is preferable to the massive nuclear proliferation that would be guaranteed to ensue in the event of a Russian victory.
What the frick have you been smoking.
defending you sorry asses, again.
They're going to demilitarize Russia, with or without the rest of NATO
Poland will get some revenge for Lech Kaczyński soon.
>poland has been modernizing for years
>2022 war takes off
>gives ukraine some of the older soviet gear since they share a lot of the same equipment
>germany to the surprise of no one didn’t work out
>south korea works out deals with poland for all sorts of shit
>now poland gets kpop and south korea gets kiełbasa and pierogi
Simple as, Poland just wants to make sure it can deal with any vatnik bullshit as much as it can.
They bought tickets to the train to Moscow and they're bringing petrol 😀
dunno what they're planning but good for them, this war showed once again that military matters
also they'll finish the ruskies if we fail
t. ukie
They are giving everything they have to Ukraine so if they want to have an army they kinda have to buy something new.
I don;t remember having 2k latest gen tanks in 2021. I see a lot of people hellbent on brushing this off but Poland is heading towards 5% of budget going to the military vs something like 2% previously.
As a German i think this to be a wise move for a few years. I wish our politicians had the foresight.
When the dust settles Germany will rearm. I'm 100% convinced of this. The first 100bilion injection is a good start and desperately needed, they have a lot of gaps to fill and catching up to do. I think people underestimate how much money Germany can and eventually will pump in its defence capabilities once they fixxed their moronic energy policy. They kind of have too, it needs to be a counter weight on the continent. I think Germany being a weak military factor at this moment, of course combined with their dependency on Russian gas, emboldened Putin. Russia fears a strong Germany.
corruption doing its work
>send old shit to Ukraine
>oh shit we don't have any shit at all, guess we need to buy new shit
unironically becoming a regional power, after the deal signed today Poland gives security guarantees to two neighboring countries, Slovakia and Lithuania, if Poland keeps improving its military it can expand the security umbrella even further over smaller neighboring countries limiting German influence in the region.
Three seas initiative limits German economic influence, and bilateral security deals limit German military involvement.
>mfw V4 takes the reigns from the krauts and the frogs
I think Poland should convince Luka to flip and be a Polish ally instead of Russia’s.
The west has become increasingly intolerant of dictators, which has fricked up our strategic goals and ability to defeat China and Russia geopolitically.
Franco was a supporter of Hitler and Mussolini yet the west played along with him because he was anti commie.
The west should build inroads with Luka, promise him no “International Criminal Court” horseshit and a roadmap to being a wealthy potato farmer in retirement after Putin dies.
It's not possible, he already rejected "Eastern Partnership", since last elections he fallowed schizo path ("it's all CIA job") of Putin. He will be subsidized by Russia which itself will be subsidized by China... They will be European North Korea
I heard him talk in an interview that nuclear war would be bad, it would tilt the earth axis.
Not kidding either, this dude is stupid as frick.
>Franco was a supporter of Hitler and Mussolini
he was about as obtuse with Hitler as possible w/o causing a war
Why give him that when we can eventually have him killed AND have the public overwhelmingly support it?
The Poles know that they will become a big EU player in the next 20 years. And they know Germans are cucks. So they have to protect the eastern flank.
>Poles know that they will become a big EU player
by big player you mean being a big pain in the neck for other member states
It's Poland, OP. They see their larger neighbors starting to annex shit and they get real nervous. It's natural. Never know when my country or yours might sell them out the back door to buy a couple months
I wouldn't worry about it
They're hedging their bets. No reason to become Ukraine 2.0 and hope for the best.
Reverse Ribbentrop-Molotov
reminder
>why die for ~~danzig~~ kiev
I hate appeasment Black folk so much it's fricking unreal. It's not just that they're cowards, they're also incredibly fricking naive and stupid, to the point where I'm suspecting that they're Russian shills who are faking it.
I legitimately find Incel Slave Z shills to be more tolerable because at least they take a side and don't hide their loyalties like two-faced scum.
So how is he wrong?
The countries giving plenty are former warsaw pact countryes+ finland or don't have a lot of dependence on Russia.
And you guys fowl over Turkey which has only increased trade with Russia
The UK giving stuff isn't a sign of moral highness as they get into any conflict good or bad (Iraq cough cough)
>So how is he wrong?
Gee I wonder, how could the increased possibility of war spreading on continental Europe hurt the strongest economy on continental Europe?
Honestly man, germans are in a hard place here. The ones of us here on /k/ are itching to give russia a taste of german engineering, but the cucks in chief say no. In return, poles and various others are attacking germany as a nation itself, which gives us little choice but defend them. My country, right or wrong, you know the deal.
>My country, right or wrong, you know the deal.
That always gets Germany in trouble
Except this time it's us being attacked. Just read this bullshit.
>directly our fault
This is what some people ACTUALLY believe.
>My country, right or wrong, you know the deal.
String Scholz up on a lamppost and let greens take power. The fricking ecobabies are more war-minded then any of you pussies.
>My country, right or wrong, you know the deal
the eternal germoid. i would murder kaczyński the moment the fat manlet moron ever even pretended to think about attacking anything west of the oder.
>Germany has no reason to support Ukraine
Except for the fact that their greed fuel Russia's war economy, and that whole war is directly their fault.
>that whole war is directly their fault
Of the fault that is not that of putin or russia itself, we accept 6.6%.
>the D*tch
Of course.
Dont care what Indonesia does
replacing lots of old nearly obsolete armaments that are being donated to Ukraine with something more modern that can be serviced (as maintaining post-Soviet weapons with sanctions on Russia and Ukraine having its own problems is hard)...
Plus its cheaper maintenance vise in the long run and donated stuff is used in a way it was meant to be used... on battlefield... i don't see why we would need another reason for it?
Revenge at all cost
Realistically, replacing all the sovietshit, which they are giving to ukraine to tide them over while they prepare to transition their logistics to NATO shit, while also expanding their shit in case the russians are moronic enough to get curbstomped in an unjustified war of conquest on a second country
Hopefully, they're getting ready to restore their historical borders, of which moscow historically was a part.
dumping mercury in their rivers lol
German and Dutch laboratory never found mercury in rivers, whole vatniks propaganda was debunked, did you don't get latest memo from olgino troll farm Ivan?
been mysteriously quiet about all that tbh
Current state of affairs is that there was a toxic algae bloom, which was partly because of the heat and low water, but probably also because of saline dumps. Under normal conditions those are a nothingburger, and whatever happened is definitely temporary, so it's not such a big topic. Mercury levels are normal (there's mercury in the sediment from commie times, maybe some of that got scooped into this one test that showed increased levels). Pesticide levels are increased, but that's also of minor importance (didn't stop PiS from screeching when the germans pointed it out though).
>which was partly because of the heat and low water, b
something says me the Polish INternet Defense force will bring this up a lot
> but probably also because of saline dumps.
and deny this
What saline dumps? By who?
Soon
Nobody wants this piece of poor, uneducated, underdeveloped land.
You act as if Poland hasn't mass deported people before.
I am polish, moron. We don't want that shitty strip of land. We were offered it for free in the past and we refused to take it.
Shame you could have just deported the Russians.
Wars over clay are useless, and only employed by third-world shitholes who exist via selling raw resources, like Russia. There's literally nothing there of interest - just Russians, poverty, and crumbling infrastructure.
Also, nuclear weapons pointed at Polish allies, and one of Russia's few decent ports. Not important enough?
Polish women are hot
- used to live in Poland
israeli ones especially
I don't know, nor do I care to know. I just hope they put wings on it
We are not really up to anything. You got to understand that polish army for past 30 years was a meme army that was mostly still using soviet times equipment as each gov believed in that there won't be any wars in Europe anymore. Now with half of our shit ending up in Ukraine and 30 years of neglect in modernization our gov is panic buying everything they can. Also they got slap in the face as "wake up to reality" that NATO troops won't suddenly teleport to Poland in case of war and we need a sizeable land army to defend ourselves.
What kind of moronic question is that, look at the map of europe and see where they are located.
Dude we are facing meat production stoppage this week lmao we arent getting any of that military shit poland will become zimbabwe of europe next year
What is history you moronic zoomer? Self-defense of course.
Poland has taken a hard look at Kaliningrad, Belarus, and Ukraine. Quite reasonably they have concluded that their entire Eastern border is a war zone for the remainder of the current generation. And, possibly, the entire next generation. This isn't a clusterfrick that is going to be forgotten by 2050, or 2065.
Any country that isn't taking immediate steps & precautions with that certainty in mind is committing suicide. That's also why the outcome of this conflict is so important, and that it never be allowed to happen again.