Wait there's almost 900 of these ???? But I was told they were crap ???

Wait there's almost 900 of these ????
But I was told they were crap ???
how the fuck did they build so many so fast when russia has like 10 Su-57 ???

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dude, this is America, we buy more vehicles in "limited runs" for testing than some countries have in their entire military. We're gonna have 1500 more by 2035

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      +

      this board sole purpose is to demoralize upstanding russian citizens and i won't stand for it

      =
      /thread

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this board sole purpose is to demoralize upstanding russian citizens and i won't stand for it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >upstanding russian citizens
      no such thing

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russia has like 10 Su-57
    10 prototypes and Five with serials. Each of which was fucked up enough to some degree than they can only keep one or two airworthy at any given time and the others are used as photo op props.
    There is zero confirmation of the supposed "new deliveries”, it's very likely it is just propaganda fakes using the existing planes.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But I was told they were crap ???

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So the program had serious issues in the 2012-2015 timeframe due to what can arguably be called corruption and a lack of focus, and now it's fixed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, in the 2000-2009 phase. Bush let Lockheed and etc treat the DoD like the office coffee fund. Ash Carter came in cleaned house, demanded and got the promised deliverables without another red cent over the line, and clawed back over $500m from LM. It was the lulziest days in pentagon sending since the 80s, LM nearly went under and had to clean house.
        There's a reason everyone across the aisle came out to press F when he died, the man was a fucking hero

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >after we'd made it clear that the inflated price for the JSF was unacceptable, Lockmart CEO said "if you tell me how much money you have, I'll tell you how many planes you can buy"
      there's a special level in hell reserved for MIC execs and Bob Stevens has a direct flight jet waiting for him. what a degenerate.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mucho texto

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks, anon, that was a good read
      >eminently fair
      no it's not lol this dude bent Lockshart over a barrel
      one of the shrewdest restructuring programmes I've heard of, brilliant

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genuinely informative and interesting read anon.

      Burgers are insane.

      USMC had a few cougars in Iraq.

      US defense secretary reads a USMC report stating marines in cougar mrap didn't suffer casualties from ied attacks.

      US orders 10,000 mrap on the spot, different designs, different companies.

      In the next 5 years US fields over 12,000 brand new MRAP in Iraq and afghanistan.

      https://i.imgur.com/wnGrPBA.jpg

      it's worse than that, the USMC commandant at the time (early GWOT) believed the Humvee with uparmor kit was good enough for the time being, so when the MRAPs were fielded they were fielded extremely quickly

      The fact that they didn’t have something like the mrap earlier is one of the worse mistakes of the era. Iirc back in the 90s there were reports that the humvee was inadequate for roles it was being pushed into.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MRAP isn't sexy enough for the army brass.

        Theyre already getting rid of all the ones we have.

        Then we'll need it again and have to buy more.

        Rinse, recycle, repeat

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they're not even remotely close to getting rid of all of them dumbass, they're just not retaining all the ones bought during GWOT

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          MRAP is only really good at COIN. For everything else... not so much.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >seething from the general public may have actually saved the f35
      this is why countries where seething at the MIC is legal will always be the stronkest

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Donbas hohols defense colapsin and i am butthurt af, that's why i Made this thread.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia launch hundreds of cruise missiles and thousands of suicide drones.

      Kills a few civilians and cause a few blackouts.

      Ukraine fires a couple of rockets.

      Kills hundreds of russkies including a colonel having a new years party.

      KEK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you think their families missed them at the tables this new years?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, they were expecting a visit from a Monke rep to receive the Lada, brick of rubles and years supply of cabbages they were promised. Come 31.12.2023 they'll still be waiting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >IT'S OVER HOHOLS GENERAL DIABETES WILL END YOU IN 2 WEEKS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the irony of this post being that russians suffered their largest mass casualty event on new years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I do not understand your schizoid propaganda, half of your vatmorons posts are about how your shithole is oh so Christian and the other half (actually much more now that i think aout it) is insufferable gloating about your fantasies about causing the dead of fellow orthodox Christian civilians
      If you absolute retards cut back on this insufferable and unfounded gloating maybe some of the more easy to sway westerners would have been a tad more sympathetic to you. But I guess that is a completely alien concept to you

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the F-35 B and C is banned from performing air to air interceptions because it will literally melt its own tail off if it uses its afterburner to go faster than Mach 0.8.
    >inb4 but WHATABOUTRUSSIA??

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No it isn't, the F-35 was cleared to go supersonic long ago, stop posting bullshit from shitty milblogs like National Interest

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >b-but in my head it's not a problem!
        >s-stop reminding me about it ;_;
        the best part is they said they're not going to fix it because it would require a redesign of the aircraft lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there's no problem to fix retard, stop being retarded.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >s-shutup, the F-35 is perfect ;_;
            >t-there is no problem
            >https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2016/dod/2016f35jsf.pdf?ver=2019-08-22-105333-997
            L M A O

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Horizontal tail overheating was experienced on BF-3 during loads testing while accelerating to 1.5M for a loads test point. The left horizontal inboard fairing surface reached temperatures that exceeded the design limit by a significant amount. Post-flight inspections revealed de-bonding on the trailing edge of the horizontal tail surface and heat damage was noted on the horizontal tail rear spar. Hardness checks on the rear spar were performed and were determined to be within the acceptable range. It is not yet known whether the program or the Services will impose airspeed or afterburner time restrictions in the Block 3F envelope due to horizontal tail overheating
              "melting off"
              There is no mention of a supersonic restriction.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it will literally melt its own tail off if it uses its afterburner to go faster than Mach 0.8.
      F-35 may suffer damage to some antennas and its stealth coating if it maintains supersonic flight for an undisclosed period of time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Horizontal tail overheating was experienced on BF-3 during loads testing while accelerating to 1.5M for a loads test point. The left horizontal inboard fairing surface reached temperatures that exceeded the design limit by a significant amount. Post-flight inspections revealed de-bonding on the trailing edge of the horizontal tail surface and heat damage was noted on the horizontal tail rear spar. Hardness checks on the rear spar were performed and were determined to be within the acceptable range. It is not yet known whether the program or the Services will impose airspeed or afterburner time restrictions in the Block 3F envelope due to horizontal tail overheating
        "melting off"
        There is no mention of a supersonic restriction.

        >Higher than predicted air flow temperatures were measured in the engine nacelle bay during flight testing in portions of the flight envelope under high dynamic pressure on both the F-35A and F-35C; thermal stress analyses are required to determine if airspeed restrictions will be needed in this portion of the flight envelope
        And after performing the analyses, they did end up instituting an airspeed restriction lol.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aight. Show the results then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/MwCUeTH.jpg

            >The Drive is a credible source, it's where I get all my defense news!
            ok retard

            The source is literally the DoD, you coping redditors.

            >s-shutup, the F-35 is perfect ;_;
            >t-there is no problem
            >https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2016/dod/2016f35jsf.pdf?ver=2019-08-22-105333-997
            L M A O

            https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2016/dod/2016f35jsf.pdf?ver=2019-08-22-105333-997

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you just posted it and it says there is no present restriction

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Obviously I don't have access to all of the internal DoD documents, but from the following year as the other PDF:
                >The following discoveries affected F-35B flight sciences
                testing:
                > ▪ Excessive heating on the horizontal tail surfaces limited the time the aircraft could operate in afterburner at a high Mach number to collect necessary strain load data. To reach high Mach number test points, the program designed and installed flight-test-unique horizontal tail thermal barrier coatings on BF-3.
                >https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2017/dod/2017f35jsf.pdf?ver=2019-08-19-113748-273
                They encountered even further problems in their test program with tail overheating, and had to implement additional speed restrictions and stealth-negating modifications just to complete testing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop arguing with dedicated retards. They don't care if they're wrong or right and will just keep going until they get the last word in and claim that's winning the argument.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Obviously I don't have access to all of the internal DoD documents, but from the following year as the other PDF:
              >The following discoveries affected F-35B flight sciences
              testing:
              > ▪ Excessive heating on the horizontal tail surfaces limited the time the aircraft could operate in afterburner at a high Mach number to collect necessary strain load data. To reach high Mach number test points, the program designed and installed flight-test-unique horizontal tail thermal barrier coatings on BF-3.
              >https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2017/dod/2017f35jsf.pdf?ver=2019-08-19-113748-273
              They encountered even further problems in their test program with tail overheating, and had to implement additional speed restrictions and stealth-negating modifications just to complete testing.

              see
              https://www.defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35/2020/05/22/the-inside-story-of-two-supersonic-flights-that-changed-how-america-operates-the-f-35/
              >coping redditors
              Amazing, with two simple words you've outed yourself as a brainless moron.
              The F-35B and C have airspeed limits when flying domestic training missions in order to extend the life of the F-35 fleet. No "stealth-negating modifications" are currently installed on operational aircraft due to the heating concerns.

              In actual combat, there is no airspeed restriction.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                The source is literally the DoD, you coping redditors. [...] https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2016/dod/2016f35jsf.pdf?ver=2019-08-22-105333-997

                To further drive home how retarded you are, have this picture from a USAF study on the speeds that fighters were flying at over Vietnam.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                supersonic is pretty common during 1v1 over water. it's not like you notice how fast you're going. mach .8 and mach 1.2 feel the same. it's more useful for getting somewhere fast. opening up your turning circle so much at higher speeds just isn't beneficial, and that's literally what dogfighting is. pass, turn around, pass, turn around.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/llfFKcR.png

                [...]
                To further drive home how retarded you are, have this picture from a USAF study on the speeds that fighters were flying at over Vietnam.

                >defense blogs aren't a valid source except when I say so
                Give me DoD documents you stupid gay.
                >The F-35B and C have airspeed limits when flying domestic training missions
                The article that you linked says that pilots are still discouraged from using supersonic flight during military operations, "except for emergency situations". You copers keep saying that the F-35 being a subsonic aircraft doesn't matter when facing Mach 2+ threats like the J-20 because it has BVR missiles, but you ignore the fact that it needs to exceed the supersonic flight restrictions in order achieve BVR ranges with those weapons. Other non-gimped combat aircraft can dictate the terms of engagement by just flying away.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >According to the documents, both incidents took place during flutter tests where the B and C models were flying at speeds of 1.3 Mach and 1.4 Mach. However, that damage didn’t occur in a vacuum, Flynn said. It materialized after F-35B and F-35C test articles flew repeated supersonic runs that pushed to the plane’s maximum of 1.6 Mach, making it the result of cumulative pressures on the aircraft.
                >“I was flying out at 700 knots in the C model up and down the East Coast of the state of Maryland and Delaware — that’s where we fly at Pax River — and then out over the ocean, firing missiles at almost 1.6 Mach as we cleared out the weapons for the airplane. That’s extreme speed, and that’s repeated flights in those environments,” said Flynn, who has flown more than 800 hours in all three F-35 variants.
                >But in wartime, Flynn said, pilots will do whatever is needed “to survive and to be effective”

                So the restriction is only for training and normal military operations. Seems entirely reasonable to me. But an ESLgays like you can't determine the difference between discouraged and restricted. Its just to reduce maintenance costs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Funny how you completely ignore the fact that those limits only apply to F-35B and C, which, after complete procurement, will account for approximately 25% of all F-35's

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh DoD documents
                >But those limitations must be placed in context, said Billie Flynn, the Lockheed Martin test pilot who flew both of those missions during F-35 developmental testing at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland.
                Learn to read moron, it's literally an interview with the person that flew the test sorties that resulted in the airspeed restriction being instituted, and is further backed up by the JPO downgrading them from CAT 1 deficiencies. That's completely different than some gay from Jalopnik or wherever talking about shit he doesn't understand in order to pull clicks.
                >emergency limitations
                "But in wartime, Flynn said, pilots will do whatever is needed “to survive and to be effective” — even if that means disregarding time restrictions and pushing the plane to its maximum performance."
                Where does he mention it only being allowed during emergencies?

                >You copers keep saying that the F-35 being a subsonic aircraft
                The F-35A is not at all limited to subsonic flight. The other two variants are still supersonic fighters, even with the training limitation in place, as they're cleared past M1.0. refer to the chart here

                https://i.imgur.com/llfFKcR.png

                [...]
                To further drive home how retarded you are, have this picture from a USAF study on the speeds that fighters were flying at over Vietnam.

                >but you ignore the fact that it needs to exceed the supersonic flight restrictions in order achieve BVR ranges with those weapons.
                Proof? Oh wait, you pulled it out of your ass. A large number (probably even a majority) of BVR engagements in the past 30 years were performed at transonic or subsonic speeds. Information networking and sensor capability is far more important than airspeed for modern air combat. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6O5--9Z0&list=FLhqNnmDJ4oHNmWFmvjiU-AQ&index=725)
                >Other non-gimped combat aircraft can dictate the terms of engagement by just flying away.
                If the aircraft have to run away, that means that CAP is doing its job.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except the DOD itself doesn't consider it to be that big a a problem as you're making it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this man got destroyed several posts ago and he just keeps going

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he got obliterated several threads ago and just keeps throwing bullshit hoping it'll stick

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Drive is a credible source, it's where I get all my defense news!
          ok retard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It won't matter because it's designed to be a commanding mother ship anyway

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It needs to fly outside the new afterburner flight envelope to launch BVR missiles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't stop vatmorons being blown up by a missile fired from a plane they can't see. The Raptor and Typhoon would be doing any dogfighting against however many 30 year old Sukhois and migs make it off the ground before exploding anyway.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Burgers are insane.

    USMC had a few cougars in Iraq.

    US defense secretary reads a USMC report stating marines in cougar mrap didn't suffer casualties from ied attacks.

    US orders 10,000 mrap on the spot, different designs, different companies.

    In the next 5 years US fields over 12,000 brand new MRAP in Iraq and afghanistan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's worse than that, the USMC commandant at the time (early GWOT) believed the Humvee with uparmor kit was good enough for the time being, so when the MRAPs were fielded they were fielded extremely quickly

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are crap but would still beat anything the ruskies or chinks have.

    I saw a documentary were some F-18s shot down some Su-57s and even an old poorly maintained F-14 shot one down.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I read an after action report of secret thai-chinese combat exercises.

      The PLAAF reported that their J-10s and J-11s were inferior to thai F-5E from the 1970s.

      That's why the Chinese rushed upgrades to J-10C variant and J-16.

      They hope the newer J-10C and J-16 can at least hold it's own against F-16A/B block 20s.

      True story.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You spent too much time listening to those retarded reformers that also hated the F15 and F16 during thier development.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    900 and counting, and everyone of them is undetectable to vatnik radar and can carry a nuke

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if the DoD spent as much manpower fixing its only production current gen fighter as it does astroturfing PrepHole.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well what option is there when wanting to buy a 5th gen fighter?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    The F-35 causes so much seethe.
    the NGAD (F-36 Phantom II) is gonna booty blast the vatnigs so much lmao.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (checked)
      Impressive digits, my tax dollars payed for those

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does that count as puffy vulva?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would be the Phantom III

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does the DoD think that shilling on PrepHole with propaganda will improve our country's warfighting ability?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if they're training us to recognize and resist propaganda for the 2038 Digital War I. Like training an AI model but with autists.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when you realize after ALL THOSE YEARS OF BITCHING about the budget/cost of the program
    >these things will be produced like F16s just in time for a potential global conflict

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All those years of bitching are why the result of the program was planes instead of yachts

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