Wait a minute, does Russia really not have any other advanced warning systems? What about satellites?
I find it hard to believe someone could launch a full nuclear strike at Russia and they'd be completely unaware until mushroom clouds stay appearing
> a window of opportunity to hit Russian territory without retaliation
The Administration couldn't pull off an attack without blabbing about it to the press, so Russia doesn't really *need* an early warning system.
It's moot anyway because everything nuclear Russia designs is fail-deadly. If the system fails they noook.
>Afk sistema owner on his 250 mil boat somewhere mid Pacific right now
Wouldn't be suprised at this point if the US had the same damn problem. Regardless, Russia does have ICBM equipped subs. Wouldn't take them long to figure out what's going on.
Also you nuke a few cities it'll be nuclear winter for a year or two over the northern hemisphere, not to mention all the carinogenic as fuck dusk and shit that would kick up. So no partytime kids.
quit with the memes
Shut the fuck up already, retard.
They let you shitpost in hell, carl sagen?
It's real m8, the smoke from burning cities enters the atmosphere blocking sunlight. Even big volcanoes have dropped the global temp a few degrees for long periods of time, this would be on a completely different scale.
>Even big volcanoes have dropped the global temp a few degrees for long periods of time
You said everything needed to be said with "long periods of time". To try and emulate the same thing as a big volcano with nukes the US would have to basically turn every big city in russia into dust with the biggest nukes they have.
Nuclear winter is a meme in the sense that for it to happen mankind would need to detonate pretty much every nuke they have all over the planet.
Yes that was the idea behind WWIII congratulations of finally figuring it out
Actually it would take only a limited exchange of around 20 nukes to drastically impact the world climate and crash the world food production killing approx. 25-50% of the world population. The areas closest to the equator would be hardest hit
The US nuked its own territory a almost hundred times in 1962 and nothing happened.
Nuclear winter is a dubious claim at best.
>less than 100 explosions in a year vs around 15 000 explosions in a day
You don't really need 3k nukes to level a city, you know?
Considering russian accuracy, you might actually need that many assuming that they even work in the begin with
there aren't even that many nukes in the world any more retard, let alone that many viable targets, and they're sure as hell not evenly distributed across the globe at sea level, with compulsory ground bursts. Nuclear winter is a myth.
Nuclear winter was a hypothesis in the 90s that has since been disproved by better data. Same with the "radioactive death clouds" hypothesis but that was more of a fad in the 70s and 80s.
Nuclear war would be extremely unpleasant but all current science suggests that billions of people would survive and society would be on its way back to normal within 10 years.
That's a lie, people were already complaining about WW2 being too much to handle for the civilian population. Populations were wholely opposed to war in the 1980s and if it wasn't for the "Putin is the new Hitler" narrative they'd be against what's happening in Ukraine as well.
>muh poor pooteen
It's more about blindly believing propaganda, something you might be personally experiencing...
>glaslighting vatmoron talks about propaganda
always projection with you shills
I think hes false-flagging
you two are insane. seriously so far up your own asses thinking youre well informed and all you are is useful idiots. legit unhinged
It's funny listen to Russia mention cancel culture when their state will do the same and send you to a prison for wrongthink.
Fun fact: russia also invented "hate speech" many decades ago. It's been standard russian law longer than the idea has existed in the west. Protected groups also include: police, military, politicians(not even joking) and spiritual workers.
People are against the war in Ukraine, everyone would be happy if Russia just fucks off
>Nuclear winter was a hypothesis in the 90s
80s. It was pushed by Carl Sagan.
>Nuclear winter was a hypothesis in the 90s
>80s. It was pushed by Carl Sagan.
(You) know-nothing moron morons. Get the God-damned fuck out of here. You've grown up with the entire Internet at your command and (You) don't even know some of the most basic shit that's been going on for almost an entire century.
cry about it you gutless cowardly sensationalist bitch
it was never real and will never be real. it's entirely made-up soviet propaganda to discourage nuclear development in free countries by exploiting useful idiots like you. have a nice day, vermin.
Truely, (You) are one of the Dunningest of Krugers.
Nuclear Winter was conceived and developed 100% by western scientists before it became part of public discussion and that's a fact unlike the revisionist propaganda later.
Soviets shilling it for their own propaganda purposes doesn't mean there wasn't a real scientific debate about it, you retarded reaganite.
Also Carl Sagan was explicitly in favour of nuclear power plants and engines for spaceships unlike most ecologists.
>there wasn't a real scientific debate about it
Which there wasn't because of the fundamental assumptions it required. Like cities being the bulk of targets, rather than byproducts, or single warheads assigned to targets. All which had zero basis on how they're used. Climate scientists are not nuclear strategists.
In addition, as OPpie once pointed out, it took Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a baseline, divided the estimated particulates released by the kilotonnage, and then straight-line extrapolated that against the megatonnage of all nukes in existence. That's pretty stupid and/or blatantly dishonest by itself (for starters, there's the square-cube rule), but it gets even worse. Japanese cities are largely wood with rice-paper walls, and most homes contained a pot-bellied stove for cooking (and heating in the winter). The explosion flattened a lot of homes at a fairly long range for the kilotonnage... right on top of their stoves. The result was smoldering fires that lasted for days, pumping out far more particulates per kiloton than just about any other kind of city.
On the Beach wasn't about nuclear winter, it was about a magic radiation cloud that covered the whole planet and killed everybody, violating multiple laws of physics in the process.
>it'll be nuclear winter for a year or two over the northern hemisphere
also be careful you don't set the entire atmosphere on fire with those H bombs
>he doesn't know every modern nuke's a kt range airburster
>he doesn't know the 7-10 rule
>he doesn't know ALARA
it's 2023 bro, there's no excuse for you to be this retarded.
>The 7-10 rule
NTA, but what DO those terms mean?
7-10 rule is the rule of radiation decay, basically for every sevenfold increase in passed time the radiation falls tenfold so in the end it's going to be safe to go outside 2 weeks after the blast everywhere except for the most irradiated places like ground zero and large concentrations of fallout, with very little adverse health effects as long as you don't breathe the stuff and don't spend too much time outside. 3 months after the blast it's basically over. That's why 2 weeks is usually the recommended length of supplies for prepping.
ALARA is some bong legalese term, idk how it relates to the topic.
ALARA = As Low As Reasonably Achievable, this is a statement that's used when there no true "safe level" of a pollutant or environmental hazard such as radiation so the goal is to reduce as much as possible.
its alarp. as low as reasonably practibale. it is used in safety cases. the idea being we cant eliminate all risks. its not practical. so we accept as small risk as possible.
never heard of 7 10 rule. inverse square law i have. get away from a source you get less dose
contamination is a different beast. it doesnt go anywhere fast. radiation is easy to deal with. contamination really isnt.
Crazy how 500 odd atmospheric nuclear tests didn't affect the climate at all, must only work if you're at war
Dumb fuck troll. No one ever claimed atmospheric tests would affect climate. It dies, however, add vast amounts of radionuclides and isotopes into the atmosphere. The amounts are still coming down even after 50 years of test bans. Seriously, Chunky, they taught us that in grade 10 science class. Quit huffing the bunsen burner gas and pay attention in class. And fucking grow up. Holy christ act your age.
That doesn't change that nuclear winter is a spook. Even a recent reanalysis of the original papers that the whole idea was based on came to the same conclusion.
>spread over 40 years
>dust blown into the high atmosphere takes 18 months to drop
totally the same as a full counterforce exchange in hours
Nuclear winter isn't actually caused by the bombs themselves, it'f from all the shit burning from the devastating of civilization being nuked. There is some real shit about this, a big enough volcanic eruption chucks enough smoke into the atmosphere that global temperature does down down a few degrees for a couple years
but nothing humans have done have replicated that kind of ash output. So to reiterate, you're correct, but it's because we weren't using those bombs on cities or heavily forested areas
>reverse cargo cult yet again
Most of the Russian missile subs have to sit in port because they can't afford to go to sea all the time andor because the crew is scared of another Kursk.
Of the ones at sea they're shadowed by American Hunter Killer Subs
Hell the US can probably afford to task two SSNs per Russian boomer.
LOL, bruh, US has 50 SSNs while russia has 12, with half of those being ancient soviet vintage. They also deploy like 2 at a time while the rest sit in port. Russian subs are a big meme.
RUSSIA HAS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKSSSSSSSSS
Do they, though?
Some are probably still working
>Russia sucks means everyone has to suck as well
It's the final butwhatabout. The last cope.
Too bad that most of Russia's boomer fleet are located in the Kola peninsula. With Finland now joining NATO, the security of not only Russia's boomer sub pens but also one of the few airfields that operate their nuclear capable bombers are now in serious question. If war were to breakout between NATO and Russia they will lose a large part of their nuclear triad within a week with no real way of stopping it. There is only 1 road and railroad track for Russia to move forces to the Kola peninsula and it follows most of the Finnish border
>within a week
Lol, you're being too nice.
There's only one road leading to Murmansk in the entire peninsula, and it's 100 km from the border.
You could rush it in a day. The peninsula is mostly undefended, because the border is very long, there's barely any infrastructure and it's practically just swamps.
Maybe you won't take Murmansk that easily, because it will be defended, but you can just lay siege and disable whatever is garrisoned there.
Ya no, in the US we get what we pay for, we just pay ten times what we should. Basically. If thing in Russia costs a dollar you get ten cents worth of it. In the US you pay ten dollars and get a dollars worth of stuff. The end result is the Mic fucks everyone but the US has a functioning military.
>but but whatabout
>Wouldn't be suprised at this point if the US had the same damn problem
Is this the new ultimate Vatnik cope?
>YEAH RUSSIA IS BAD BUT I THINK AMERICA PROBABLY IS ALSO AS LE BAD AS RUSSIA CHECKMATE!
They have been doing it for a while. Made up equivalence is the closest they get to saying they have a problem.
>Yeah as a Russian I drink and beat my wife and kids and molest the dog but so does my neighbor so it's okay AND we have tigers!
New? Literally the standard line of deflection in the USSR for their human rights abuses was "and yet you lynch Black folks", as if they unironically think 2 wrongs cancel each other out
Wouldn't be surprised if you're a vatnik at this point. You should go see a doctor
>Wouldn't be suprised at this point if the US had the same damn problem.
>"I-If ours is dogshit then America's MUST be shit, too!"
Reminder that the US annually spends more money on maintaining our nuclear triad than the Russian Federation spends on their entire defense budget.
No. The US's shit is also all horrifically overpriced shit that rapes taxpayers, but it is still actually the correct parts. The government knowingly overpays so long as they don't do this shit.
How the fuck did he land in front of the Kremlin without running someone over?hwpvh
>IS THAT PLANE?
>I SHOULD NOT BE OF STANDING IN THE ROAD!
Because he landed on a nearby bridge that just so happened to have the power lines for trains taken down that morning for maintenance then from there I am guessing he taxxied the plane over to the square. If you read into the incident its so coincidential and crazy you would almost think it was made up. Just search Matthias Rust and his wiki page will come up.
It's telling that this dude already didn't trust his own detection systems in 1983, when the SU was supposedly still at his peak.
Everyone who was not braindead knew.
It seemed multiple people in his department didn’t trust the system, since there were other incidents besides his own.
>a single Russian's heroic actions saved the entire world from sure annihilation
>many such cases
it's all bs isn't it
It is Russia so it is probably all lies as part of some stupid psyop.
it's likely he didn't have clearance to start the launch either way, regardless of his decision
still a good move on his part tbh
>it's likely he didn't have clearance to start the launch either way, regardless of his decision
I don't think it's ever been claimed that he did, but he could definitely escalate if he'd taken the launch detection seriously, that's what happened decades later with Yeltsin and he told them to fuck off and went back to his vodka
They didn't award him for it and tried to sweep it underneath the rug. Likely a case where it was true given how it made the USSR lose face as a nation.
>a new, novel system has odd kinks that need to be ironed out
Wow, color me surprised.
>a formerly functional, but now old, rotting system doesn't fully work after three decades of societal meltdown and looting by oligarchs and cronies, making it a patchwork of ersatz and "good enough"
Wow, color me surprised. But use a different color, please.
we have telegram comrad just send a message about the nuke explosion and we will retaliate quickly
Did you read what you posted? It's saying that the radar system is unreliable, it isn't saying it doesn't exist and it isn't saying there are no other early warning systems (albeit the current special military operation suggests Russia has unreliable sat systems at best across the board)
bring back the russian woodpecker
Isn't that in Ukraine?
This is very interesting, and it immediatly reminded me of this:
"In January 1997 Defense Minister Igor Rodionov wrote an alarming letter to Yeltsin. He said the command-and-control systems for Russia's nuclear forces--including the deep underground bunkers and the early-warning system--were falling apart. "No one today can guarantee the reliability of our control systems," Rodionov said. "Russia might soon reach the threshold beyond which its rockets and nuclear systems cannot be controlled."
As of the late 1990s the command system and communications networks support nuclear operations, including launch on warning, were typically five or more years past due for overhaul and modernization, with some components ten or more years past their design life. The nuclear suitcases that receive early warning information and accompany the President, Defense Minister, and Chief of the General Staff, were falling into disrepair. Periodically the central command system would go into a "loss of regime" mode, which is a neutral position where it could not send out commands. There were also a few incidents in which individual missile silos or regiments would report to the center that they were in "combat mode" -- but the main system could prevent any accidental launch. Russian officials have repeatedly denied that the strategic forces command system is weakening. They say it has rigid controls against an accidental launch."
The Russian nuclear forces are probably only a shadow of their former selves.
>inb4 "hurr durr but they regularly do ICBM tests"
Missile tests do not prove anything. During these tests, the missiles are controlled locally, it does not involve the EWS or the entire chain of the Russian nuclear forces, only the very bottom of the command and control chain, the guys who input the flight path and launch the missile.
"Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces will use a new-generation automated command and control system from 2016, the Defense Ministry said 19 September 2013. The new system, based on the digital transmission of operations orders bypassing intermediary levels straight to the launch pad, allows the prompt targeting and retargeting of missiles and ensures the effective command and control of all units and subunits, Defense Ministry spokesman Dmitry Andreyev said. The fifth-generation system will use wire, radio and satellite communication channels that are well protected from jamming and other forms of interference, he added. The system is compact and reliable and boasts low energy consumption, secure information transmission and imperviousness to external impacts, the spokesman said."
Safe to say they likely fucked this modernization up.
you have to give it to the ziggers. They are one of the biggest Potemkins villages in entire history, making westerners shit themselves thinking they are facing off a equal but evil version of themselves. So for nearly a century straight. If it were not for mainland China vatniks would proudly be the biggest smoke and mirror show in entire history.
Personally it may be that currently west MIC wants to be fooled in order to justify there budget. But they have recently done some pretty good proganada, mig-25, bombers stealth, night vision, inflating metal numbers.
Anything from the 80s onwards is 100% budget milking by MIC, although soviets' psyops bit them in the ass a ton of times regardless.
Bomber gap, missile gap, night vision gap, fighter gap, cruiser gap, another missile gap, the list goes on.
Next you’ll tell me Russia doesn’t even have tigers
jokes on you khohkol piggies. If our nooks dont work then there is no point to warning radars. Checkmate chuddies
All pro-russians should be dragged away from their desks and shot in the street
If they get a few retards who were going along with this because "it was funny", that's even better
I mean, what did you expect? They stole the electronics out of Putin's dooms day plane not long ago.
>They stole the electronics out of Putin's dooms day plane not long ago
Jesus fucking Christ
It was useless to begin with that is why Chernobyl happened. Go watch pic related. It will give you an insight into Chernobyl, Russia and Ukraine like no other and take you up to the clankening
Chornobyl and radars are not related in the slightest
Yup. And there were some reports in 2019 about it being prepared for re-activation
>Chornobyl and radars are not related in the slightest
You need to watch this. You are very wrong Chernobyl powered the woodpecker
>Chernobyl powered the woodpecker
And? ChAES generated 4GW of electricity, Duga used only a tiny amount compared to this
powered the woodpecker
>And? ChAES generated 4GW of electricity, Duga used only a tiny amount compared to this
Have you seen the film? If not go and watch it. You are wrong.
Yeah, right. An explosion on a poorly designed and terribly built(check the info on ChAES construction) nuclear power plant was planned to cover up problems with a radar. That's bullshit, m8
Bro duga is literally like 2km from the reactor, I have been there. It's actually very funny, the road changes from classic soviet slightly tarmacked road to military road with a sign saying this way to the children's summer camp or something.
Get on some Google maps or something duga is in the exclusion zone
Hahah, I sure hope the early warning systems dont start sending out false positives.
why would that happen? sure, their C&C systems have regularly sent out false "loss of regime" signals and "combat mode" signals (
), but they assured us that an accidental launch is definitely out of the question
Fuck me I would he running after it fell.
why? if it didn't detonate on impact it's not going to.
>foriegn made components
I thought they had like 1 of 4 the entire factories left making vaccuum tubes
>foreign made components
ie: China probably
1 of 3. (Russia, China, Slovakia)
If Russia cheaped out and went to China for the power tubes, I can believe they are having reliability problems. China can't even get civilian tubes right.
I sure am glad literally who on twitter with 0 sources is here to tell us Ukraine is winning.
Did they buy all their shit on Alibaba? RIP in pierogi
Russian sat system has already shit the bed after several failures as they cut the program after launching less than half the desired number of sats in orbit, of which some are already not working. Even during soviet times they only in the 80s scrambled together a barely functional system which is notable for a number of false alarms and glitches.
As russians replaced old soviet EW ground radars with this system, if it's out russia will become completely blind to an incoming attack, if it isn't already.
Go die in a ditch from krok boyo just like your brother
>everyone that doesn't agree with me worships morons
maybe stop being a terminal contrarian you retard gay lmao
One ton of ball bearing would cripal the satellite system fore 100 years zero technology as thay orbit ate thousands of miles per hour nothing not even armor plating and zero chance of intercept . The Russian reminded of this a few times in the 1990 when we was bragging about our satellites. Once apon a time we sent or compatishion the world's smallest bolt thay drilled a hole in the bolt and taped it. American stupidity.v0wmwr
Dude most ESLs at least try.
Breaking news: Russia - bad
This isn't news. I've heard Chomsky mentioning this off-hand (without references to corruption) over a decade ago in the context of them being more trigger happy with nukes 'cause their shitty tech can tell only comparatively late that a first strike was launched against them.
I'm as pro nuclear energy as they come but this new meta of "We totally could have a nuke war the libs stole it from us with their lies" is retarded. "Nothing to be afraid of, only a few billions would die!!" is something else.
nobody says this
the real truth is we could nuke soviets into oblivion for 20 years with next to no reprecussions and chose not to but hardly anyone talks about that
In all honesty US is only big count in recent history that lost fucking skycraper to aviation.
True, other countries' false flag terror attacks are way less cool (e.g. a gay little drown with a minimal payload exploding near a flag on the Kremlin's roof).
The rest of the world should just nuke the shit out of Russia
I visited one of their old installations at Latvia, outside the town of Skrunda. Unfortunately for me the radar installations had already been destroyed in 1995 by US demolition experts who very generously funded the operation. Such kindness
They had a whole military town built around it which is now a ghost town and forbidden to the public, this is the gym, the writing on the wall translates to "VICTORY BEGINS HERE"
they even shrunk all the pictures
>russia is so weak and pathetics
>we must stop russia they are gonna conquer europe
>westerners woth an IQ above 80
is so weak and pathetics
>also western MIC
>>we must stop russia they are gonna conquer europe