https://streamable.com/e6o30w
24th Separate Assault Battalion Aidar
geolocated SW from Ivanivske, Donetsk Oblast
8.55904, 37.87571
first time i see a proper use of soviet tank smokescreen in this war
Ukrainian assault on russian positions, dismounts riding Gavins supported by tank
>Gavins
pic related
I unironically love that name, I know that a schizo came up with it, but still.
I had a lot of fun with the remaster, ngl. I actually had an idea of ripping the game assets and trying to do some sort of "Bakhmut simulator" game with it. Weapons play and resources sort of like company of heroes, but heavy focus on fog of war and drone surveillance. Currently it seems to go the way of all my gamedev projects though.
What game?
arma 3 rts mod
Yeah I linked to this in another thread yesterday, but no one picked up on it.
That Finn was full of shit, look at this guys.
I start to think he was given job to tardwrangle most incompetent units to make something useful out of them
nah if you watch the videos of the ukrainians attempts at kherson offenses, they look completely retarded just like how the Finn guy says they are
Yeah I do remember Russians complaining that it was impossible to determine where attack will come from because real attack started as multiple smaller attacks and they couldn't respond in time, so they moved all of their most elite units to try and hold that strip of land. And still lost, what about it?
Lives, time, resources.
Fighting against retards isn't an excuse for being retarded yourself. Just because you're winning doesn't mean you can't do better.
Russia moved most elite, actually trained units, to Kherson and made sure they maintain artillery superiority despite that. Calling everything "drunken-retarded-moronic-fetal-alcohol-syndrome-etc. Etc." Doesn't make you smart, especially when enemy reports literally contradict what horseshit you're spewing
Well he is right in that if you'r unit has been manning foxholes for the last 6 years you probably have developed bad habits and doggy know shit about attacking.
He's right though, we laugh at the Russians for constantly doing small pointless attacks, yet the Ukrainians do the exact same thing. What's so impressive about dropping some guys off at a treeline? The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault which is absolutely not how you're supposed to do it.
>The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault
he's creating a smokescreen to obscur their movement
Should had done it while he was moving forwards. Those APCs could had been hit before and during laying the smokescreen. The tank could also had been hit and then unable to lay the smoke. Why is the tank charging ahead and leading the assault anyway? It worked, but it's risky.
>Why is the tank charging ahead and leading the assault anyway?
Who's going to lead?
Someone has to take point, also if they have drones flying over head, they probably have good enough information to know how much risks they can tank, the enemy positions are probably suppressed by indirect fire at the very least.
Come on dude, don't embarrass yourself, there's no hint of indirect fire and when approaching a known position the infantry go first. Going yolo with tanks looks impressive but it's not a good tactic.
>Should had done it while he was moving forwards
tell you me have you no idea what you're talking about without telling me explicitly
>What's so impressive about dropping some guys off at a treeline? The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault
I've literally never seen Russians use smoke in any footage whatsoever, or use the IFVs according to their own doctrine. I've seen the Ukrainians do it many times. They may not be the best but compared to russians they're goddamn SEALs.
I've seen exactly one russian tank use it. Seemed to have worked for their purposes though which was bugging out from a dangerous spot
You have a point
Ineffectually
We can enjoy the webm while still pointing out its tactical mistakes, anon
I for one was impressed by the infantry dismount
but not so much by the tank
If you can't comprehend what he's saying, which is fairly simple, you're not in any place to call him "inbred moron"
prima facie however it does look like a mistake
because it still doesn't make sense - in all possible scenarios, wherever the enemy fire is coming from, the tank should be moving more or less in formation with the APCs while producing smoke
>because it still doesn't make sense - in all possible scenarios, wherever the enemy fire is coming from, the tank should be moving more or less in formation with the APCs
Unless tank was already forward, in which case he has to move backwards to provide smoke cover.
>but why was take forward
There many different reasons why tank would be first, not least of all, trying to gage response of the enemy. If they have Kornets and tank of their own, which they would use, not deploy APCs, if Russians do not use anything to stop tank, deploy APCs
>tank was already forward
there's no reason for it to be, is one of anon's points
partly hopium, partly ignorance
for example, there are unironically dudes who say "look, Russia has always taken it on the chin first and come back later, it's Barbarossa this year but it'll be Bagration next" forgetting that Russia today is like a tenth of the military and industrial power of the Soviet Union whereas the USA never shrunk that much and indeed went on to new heights technologically and economically
what this war has taught me is that cope and hope in a dope is a hell of a thing
>there's no reason for it to be, is one of anon's points
that anon is clearly a moron then
yeah? so you explain why the tank could be coming from the OPPOSITE FUCKING DIRECTION of the assault then, idiot
scouting forward
>tank scout
>alone
>with no infantry backup
>shows vulnerable ass to enemy in order to cover assault with smoke
ISHYGDDT, you aren't a vatnik, are you?
>scouting
so there's a trenchline or whatever up top and the treeline to the right
you send a tank alone, unsupported, to scout these positions, exposing your flank to potential ATGMs from the top position?
then not getting shot at, your tank doubles back, now exposing your ASS to the enemy potentially in the treeline, while the infantry assault the enemy in the treeline??? and you helpfully lay smoke, to shield from fire from the top?
where the fuck did you learn that???
>what's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?!
>now exposing your ASS to the enemy potentially in the treeline
if only he had some smoke used in this situation obscuring him from behind
if only he had coordinated his movements so he had BOTH armor and smoke protecting him
this is Russian tank -it can reach slow walking pace in reverse (3-4 km/h) - in optimal conditions.
they were not designed for this kind of witchcraft you are thinking about.
>Let me tell you how to fight a war you are currently winning, and have been winning for the past year! My reddit spacing shows I know what I'm talking about!
get off my board
Ukraine is winning because Russia is retarded. Ukraine is also retarded, just less so than Russia. But being a bit less retarded than Russia is not a high bar to clear, and not an excuse for retarded tactics.
>if they're winning the war they're doing everything perfectly
>reverse
except he didn't
goddamit there's zero need to reverse AT ALL if the tank and the APCs move in TOGETHER
>except he didn't
soviet tanks cannot physically move backwards, the only way to move backwards is to turn around
>goddamit there's zero need to reverse AT ALL if the tank and the APCs move in TOGETHER
yes, I'm sure your mspaint doodle shows the tactical situation better than all the drones and NATO intelligence the veteran frontline soldiers have access to
stop shitting up my fucking boad you utter dunning-kruger child
What's the point of false-flagging like this if you're going to be this obvious?
he thinks it's funny
dude frogposts in 2023; you know he has the sense of humour of a child
I just want to vent and this has no bearing on the argument.
There is nothing wrong with frogposting.
I hate that it has been deliberately and maliciously associated with shitposting by pairing it with shitposts.
The well has been poisoned and we will never have those idyllic days again.
That is all.
yeah I'm sorry anon but the days pepe was cool was before covid
shitposters on other boards had adopted it since at least 2018 that I remember, it was a sign of terminal retardation to see one
Much earlier than that actually. It was when "The Deplorables" meme happened that overnight suddenly pepe was associated with shitposts.
>overnight suddenly pepe was associated with shitposts
PrepHole is gonna freak
right, I see
I didn't know anything about it, I'm not American and at the time I was only on /tg/
What's the point of using words you don't actually know the meaning of you mouthbreather?
I bet this is exactly what Western trainers have to deal with in Ukraine.
>Do it this way, stop being retarded
>Blyat, we're winning, fuck off Finngol
>approach treeline, lay down 120mm shells into trench to suppress whoever is there
>reverse and provide smoke to protect APCs from the other line
also
>lay down 120mm shells into trench to suppress
is supposed to be done in concert with supporting infantry and APCs
look, it's not rocket fucking science, okay, if fucking Brad Pitt can figure it out, you lot ought to be able to
everyone moves in TOGETHER
So let's get this straight, you have a tank in front, right next to a forest without infantry protection, then it gets spooked by something so the battle taxis get sent forward? It really doesn't make much sense.
>then it gets spooked by something
maybe your posts would be taken more seriously if you were not so disingenuous
The only disingenuity here is pretending it makes sense to send tanks forward to "scout" when you have infantry. What's the idea here?
I'm sure inventing a story how tank got spooked by something to make situation look absurd is not disingenuous
>point your rear at the enemy position you're assaulting
found the niggbrain who actually needs reminding
Okay, so let's get this straight, the tank decided to lay smoke for the hell of it. Except if the plan was to lay smoke in the first place, it should had been doing so from the start, as it was approaching the position. And irregardless, sending the tank in first is stupid. It's a treeline. What is the tactical advantage of sending a tank right up the perfect ambush territory short of down a street full of tall buildings?
>the tank decided to lay smoke for the hell of it. Except if the plan was to lay smoke in the first place, it should had been doing so from the start, as it was approaching the position
he's clearly providing smoke for M113s not himself
Yes, exactly, if he was laying smoke for the M113s, he should had been doing so from the start, and not doing some stupid counter flow movement.
>a company-sized attack? in my hecking WW3? but reddit promised me operation uranus 2: mobik holocaust reeeeeeee
good god finngols are insufferable
spend a summer in camp perkele and suddendly you're snow rambo guided by the spirit of Attila
1. It's a platoon sized attack
2. It's just not very exciting or impressive
3. There's literally no enemies or return fire at all. If it wasn't for the location you would think it's a photo op of some dudes leaving an APC.
4. Small scale attacks are indeed completely pointless
5. They indeed can just sit back and mow down waves of mobiks.
Numbered for your convenience, so that you can autisticly refute me at your leisure.
1. ur a fag
I accept your concession you cross-boarding tourist.
>That Finn was full of shit,
Just search that link in archive, 8/10 times it was posted in chug, 1/10 in separate thread how bahmut will faill in two minutes.
it was more critical so it would get posted there more. Doesn't really say anything on it's own.
The point is that we're watching a video of things looking competent; Ukraine aren't going to release loads of videos of them fighting badly.
I don't see why people flat out reject the idea that the army has some problems with training in some units like it's some insane idea.
I like the ukie propaganda but it's still just propaganda. This shit is silly ESPECIALLY when giving the ukies more training is a totally doable and very effective thing that we could do more of (and that more countries could get involved in as it's cheap)
>Ukraine aren't going to release loads of videos of them fighting badly
They've done that plenty of times though, most notably and recently that arab-tier video that went around recently. After all, it must be remembered propaganda is aimed towards ordinary people, who have no idea of tactics and think wild spraying and general dynamism are impressive things. And anyway, driving somewhere and disgorging some troops is not competence. I know Russia's extraordinary prowess has distorted things to the point that that not hitting a minefield and managing to survive long enough deploy the transported troops is now considered impressive, but come on.
That's kinda my point, I don't think this video DEBOONKS the idea Ukraine might have a training problem. People are like "but look anon they all got out the vehicles, see?"
>And anyway, driving somewhere and disgorging some troops is not competence
It is
The “brown hands typed this post” meme really is true lmfao isn’t it? Flags when?!!
I'm just posting stats from the same article, which I thought were funny, man.
unironically what is wrong with pajeets
How can you look at this debacle and say "yeah this is going better than expected for Russia"?
you have no idea just how much your average indian in india seethes at the existence of the west
>you have no idea just how much your average indian in india seethes at the existence of the west
why tho? are they butthurt about brits?
i know they're deeply insecure about being a total shithole compared to china because they started out similar years ago
They realized that the entire country is just one big designated shitting street and are in awe
Russia is doing the needful sir, you bloody bastard bitch.
please read carefully
only around 10% of pajeets think that Russia is and was strong
- 60% think that this shitshow is actually better than what they thought Russians were capable of
Fuckin Indians man
>https://streamable.com/e6o30w
The Fucking CFR...
>Anon go suck some dicks please
india love everyone except muslims and china
I'd say pretty based
Makes sense, the SU-30MKI has avionics and otyher systems from russkies and the western nations so they tend to lean on a broad base of partners for military stuff, which is true for the Tejas also.
Also there's the weird colonial relationship with the bongs, such Indian volunteers that fought for the UK in WW2 like this extremely based pilot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohinder_Singh_Pujji
So I guess they have done business with everyone
>Pujji's insistence on wearing the dastar inflight meant he could not attach the oxygen mask, it would later cost him an irreparably damaged lung caused by exposure to high-altitude flying. Subsequently, in 1960, he ceased wearing the customary dastar Sikh headwear, "Times changed," he said.
Fucking guy refused to wear an oxygen mask for the entire airwar because it would fuck with his turban and shot down germans with a collapsed lung
>When some 300 US troops were lost without rations, food and radio contact, in the dense Burmese jungle swarming with Japanese soldiers, the US sent out a search party to locate them, however, after the US search party failed after 3-days to locate them, Pujji was personally requested by General William Slim, 1st Viscount Slim of the British Fourteenth Army to find them.Pujji climbed into his plane and in adverse weather flew low over treetops across Japanese occupied territory into the suspected area—and with jubilation for everyone—Pujji found them.
Pajeets have a lot of based DNA in the upper castes for sure
>weird colonial relationship with the bongs
there is none
pajeets are only out to milk the "MUH IMPERIALISTS GIBS GIBS GIBS" for as long as they can
Indian news has been unashamedly critical of NATO's efforts to support Ukraine and continues to spread Russian disinfo happily
this hilarious identity mixup exposes this in the most bizarre way:
>bbbbut WW2 heroes
me lad, the Indian Govt itself memoryholed those heroes for decades because they fought for the colonial masters and put the Indian nationalists to shame - the INA fought for the Japs and hardly participated let alone pulled off feats of valour, and that wasn't something independent India wanted to think about
At some point, India is going to be forced to reconcile the Russia vs China thing, because those two countries are becoming allies. If they continue to be an enemy of China, they will have to be an enemy of Russia.
what the fuck is wrong with pajeets
God I hate Indians so much, bros.
How the fuck do they rationalize this bros? I just don't fucking understand. If you wanna believe Russia is winning I guess I can see how it's possible to mental gymnastics your way into it, but how on EARTH do you fucking see Russia taking over a year to beat Ukraine and say "yeah they're even stronger than I thought" when the prewar propaganda was all "muh 7 days to the Rhine muh 2 weeks to Paris muh fighter jets over I95." Are there any pajeets here who can explain the thought process?
>sure, Russia is strong, but they'd never dare actually start shit
>o, they did (and i value chutzpah over capability)
something like that?
well it might take place at night, be led by unmanned systems, and just following almost excessive bombardment
>How the fuck do they rationalize this bros?
Probably by thinking the show of strength equals tactical results. Same reason Asiatic nations stage impotent missile drills over the ocean. Pomp, puffery and such matter.
To the Asiatic mind, the following is an impressive display of military might and excellence, performed daily to show their people how much they are being protected. Meanwhile, military maneuvers and border stations are just low-key matters in the US.
Are Indians really thinking
>woah
>can't believe they took this village on the border after 8 months of continued assault
>the bear is truly mighty
?
Just how shit is Indian media? The Russians in rural Siberia probably have a more sane view of this conflict.
>The Russians in rural Siberia probably have a more sane view of this conflict.
Of course they do, they can actually see coffins rolling into their villages. While Indians likely only get news about Russian victorious victories over mighty 14 population villages and outstanding tactical retreat from meaningless Kherson and Izum
because they're not talking in good faith. those indian scam call centers have been slowly withering away since people have become more aware of their schemes. so they now shill for russian to cover their incomes.
>retarded Americans that can't even solve basic math think Russia is losing
>High IQ Indians that are taking over all American companies think Russia is winning
It's actually over isn't it? If Amerimutt think Russia is weak and IndiaKINGS think Russia is strong then its obvious that the High IQ group is correct.
that's not how facts work
The Finn was 100% right, what the fuck is this shit? Like a tank and two apcs that drop what? A beffed up squad of dudes to assualt a position?
This just what the fucking Russians are doing, piece-meal attacks, the only difference is that these Ukrainians didnt leming themselfs at some mine field.
If you dont have the power to attack its better to just defend and build up.
No, doing raids and small scale offensives are part of a modern, effective and mobile defense. This isn't WWI. You abso-fucking-lutely don't just dig in and wait, that is suicide in 2023.
A platoon sized raid =/= pointless offensive
Active defense is how you defend in the 21st century. You dont just sit in your trench and wait for the enemy to come to you.
I don't think this works in the 21st century. The vast majority of losses are due to these small scale raids. But with almost non stop recon its a high risk low reward.
It seems like every offense in this war happens prematurely and with a third of the troops required.
Shut the fuck up you tourist retard, you clearly know nothing relevant about combined arms doctrine besides what you learned in call of duty
read this document on combined arms warfare and come back to chat then you mongoloid imbecile:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160322114809/http://armypubs.army.mil/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/adrp3_0.pdf
Prole Anger
And I'm not going to read your shitty document. War has always been decided by large scale offenses that overran parts of the front line.
You're a classic bureaucratic midwit who would fit effortlessly into the russian general stuff. Don't think, just follow the booooks.
Anon are these "large scale offenses" in the room with us right now?
Oh sorry, they were and currently still are getting chewed up and spit out around Bakhmut and Vuhledar.
Those small towns aren't going to decide the course of this war. Not even in the sense that they're causing attritional damage. Ukraine will do a clean sweep of all conquered territories in a massive offensive once they're fully trained up and are full of materiel. These small attacks do nothing, just like how Kherson and Kharkiv were taken in one go, and not because of repeated small meaningless attacks. He is right and you are wrong.
The United States Army Field Manuals and commonly accepted conventional combined arms tactics are bullshit
kek, the absolute state of Ukrainain cheerleaders. Just take your temporary L and accept your inevitable victory, instead of getting so mad about every little thing.
You can't infere the tactical situation with the webm. Refering to a manual is retarded because its a guideline, not a sacred book. Direction of the wind, enemy positions, positions at the start of the maneuver. All of this is important and we can't telle what it was from this vid except that the maneuver suceeded.
I don't think you can come up anything but the most contrived of reasons to start at the finish line and then move backwards laying smoke. It just doesn't make sense. You're literally going forwards, then going back to where you started. All this does is waste time and decrease the time the APCs spent concealed. There's no point imagining that there was some imaginary scenario, we work with what we've got, and what we got is far from masturbating over like many in this thread have done.
The point is that we don't really know from the video, and outside the fact that it look like it goes against guidelines in manuals, we don't have much idea as to why it was done this way.
Maybe the smoke wasn't use to conceal vehicles but to confuse the defender as to which side would be attacked. Or maybe they fucked up. Or maybe they had to move somewhere else for support but could still lay a bit a smoke in the process which while not the most useful, was not useless either.
>Coping with a single instance of a badly laid smokescreen by fondly imaging scenarios to justify it
>One of those scenarios is "they fucked up"
Holy shit
see
The tank should had advanced ahead of the the APCs, laying smoke. Following the smoke and staying concealed the entire time. As opposed to racing forward to meet the smoke screen being laid.
Manual says how to perform X movement. There's nothing stating that maneuver performed here is banned, not only that smoke USA is using and Soviet tank smoke is different.
You're acting like fucking autist without knowing situation. What if tank scouted forward and only when command assessed situation worth committing APCs does tank lays smoke(and since he's forward he is laying smoke backwards), never thought about that?
>Holy shit
seems like intellectual honesty come as a shock for you
>All this does is waste time and decrease the time the APCs spent concealed.
How the actual fuck you came up with this conclusion you inbred moron?
>I don't think you can come up anything but the most contrived of reasons
>"Enemy infantry to the left"
>"Load HE, fire! Reverse, deploy smoke!"
>"Infantry, use smoke as cover and assault that position"
Contrived indeed.
Just curious, my thought when first seeing the tank laying smoke was that to shield the apcs from potential enfilade ATGM/Anti-tank fire (you can literally see a trenchline from where possible fire could come from). Why do you think this is so out of the realm of possibility you're having an autistic meltdown on tibetan basket weaving forum?
Dumbest person in this thread and obvious turd worlder
okay moron.
Waste of dubs.
>War has always been decided by large scale offenses that overran parts of the front line
This bro don't know about Vietnam
>I'm not going to read your shitty document
Probably because you can't figure out how to put it through google translate you fucking mouth breather
If you did somehow put together the brain cells to read the document, you would actually realise that it explains exactly HOW to conduct these "large scale offensives", and also when small attacks like the ones in the OP are appropriate. But obviously none of this means anything to you, I'm just writing this out to further kek at your tactical ineptitude for the sake of all the other anons ITT laughing at your no-tempo having, no violence of initiative having ass.
i think this is happening because the higher the chain of command, the more incompetent and soviet the generals are.
Where's the active defense in Bakhmut? Sitting back and letting the Russian come to prepared defenses is exactly how they inflicted massive amounts of damage, just like how all those failed offensives in WWI did nothing but cause casualties for the attacker.
Sincerely, what the fuck are you talking about? You talk like you're in a video game you dumb gay.
it's like commentary on a game of Red Alert
You're complete lack of modern maneuver warfare clearly outs you as a tourist, your faith in the Finn means probably from 4chan.
Other anons have pointed out the importance of small unit initiative, probing, and raids in modern defensives, but I'm more interested in your very antiquated, simple idea of warfare and why you would think the people actually fighting the modern large scale land war would agree with you.
please go back retard
the size of the units/ number of troops doesnt matter. what matters is if they're competently coordinating with each other.
>What is operational level of war
Thats why both side have trouble attacking in the first place. They are cockblocked by small scale offensive on the whole front that force them to send reserve instead of actually attacking.
>put more than a platoon together
>get spotted by satellites and sniped by drone-spotted arty
sasuga, napoleon
>That Finn was full of shit
>The Finn was 100% right
The Finn is a armchair general with zero actual war experience, majority of the high-level Finnish officers are like that.
They're delusional and think they're competent because they're old and kids doing their mandatory military service are forced to salute at them.
I can guarantee that the guy went to Ukraine, said some retarded shit and got told that it was retarded.
And thus, general Butt-Hurt is now ranting about how Ukrainian officers are shit and have a bad attitude.
t. Finn
One of the Finns interviewed as a known con-man too. Quite amusing.
Yeah, the one who was speaking optimistically about Ukrainians was the conman. That was probably because he didn't know what he was talking about
>t. someone who didn't even go there
>They're delusional and think they're competent because they're old
Adding to this as a finn - they grew up with the "unbeatable Soviet Union" mindset driven by the pro-russian leftist cold war government in Finland, so in their mind, no matter what you do, it's not enough.
And even if it's enough, you will be punished by tactical nuclear weapons and fighting should be considered overall.
These people have skill, but they also are a cancer because of their prehistoric attitudes. They don't know about the power of the west. They are absolutely clueless when they have to think about a situation where...tenacious slavic people with low skill...are enhanced with western weapons and training...while fighting the remnants of the soviet union.
They just cannot handle it. They are confused.
>pro-russian leftist cold war government in Finland
How the fuck did this even happen? Were they KGB assets or Quislings?
It was left leaning out of necessity. Moscow made it clear that if there would be a government leaning too far right they would need to take action to "save finland from nazis".
Finns are fucking cucks who ride on the memory of Winter War, which they lost, and brag about winning some obscure military exercise against muh-reens.
>Finns are fucking cucks who ride on the memory of Winter War, which they lost, and brag about winning some obscure military exercise against muh-reens.
Finns make russopigs seethe, joining the NATO, having Sanna Marin bash the illegal Moscow terrorist regime, putting the F-35 at quick strike distance from Moscow, overall being not just better at conscript level than professionals of other militaries but being GODS compared to russian gays.
I hope they get to kill russians in the near future. I hope most russians get what they deserve, no matter who gives it to them 😀
>first time i see a proper use of soviet tank smokescreen in this war
I've seen tanks use smokescreen defensively. But this is first time use of it offensively. Also there was video from Vuhledar, while reporter couldn't see herself smoke, soldier that was with her said that smoke just was popped over fields which means start of Ukrainian counterattack to capture more mobiks from 155th
That looks actually proper for once.
Yeah, because nobody is there to shoot at them.
Dope
Ukies dont have PKP in yse. Those are russians with repurposed m113 from fleeing piggies.
Weak bait.
>Artillery rounds fall
>Entire squad dies
Honestly they were better off instantly digging than just sitting there in the open, even if the point was to suppress the guys during the flanking.
This looks like western training, but at the same time dangerous as fuck.
They're too close to be digging in, this is an assault anon. It's inherently risky to be on the attacking side, they were able to dismount, get their bearings and start pushing forwards fairly quickly. They're not going to be sticking around.
>Honestly they were better off instantly digging than just sitting there in the open
Their job is to capture that treeline not make a foxhole next to it and wait for something, you have no time to dig anything
>https://streamable.com/e6o30w
they were assaulting a russian trenchline. the russians wouldn't artillery their own trenchline. or maybe they would they are drunk morons
>Correct use of a smoke screen
HOLY SHIT WHAT KIND OF MAGIC IS THIS?
>HOLY SHIT WHAT KIND OF MAGIC IS THIS?
western training is magic to slavs
Cool story bro.
The tank needed to be traveling in the direction of the units it is protecting. This is common sense, the way they did it in this video means the M113s only get concealed when they cross paths with the tank. Think about it from the perspective of an enemy on the flanks that the smokescreen was clearly supposed to protect against.
See pic related, and also my 9001 hours in mspaint for those who can't read English.
Nobody is impressed with what you read in your bullshit tactical manual for armchair generals, gay. A good deal of written military tactics are horseshit based on anecdotes and besides you also don't know anything about the dispositions of enemy forces in that video.
Yes I hear many serving generals do indeed prefer to get their tactics from PrepHole instead
Reminder that most experienced American soldiers in Iraq considered manual on how to fortify the building to be no better than toilet paper
okay, but that doesn't magically make the autism of PrepHole any better
>Reminder that most experienced American soldiers in Iraq considered manual on how to fortify the building to be no better than toilet paper
How many times did they attack russians armed with AT rockets, ATGM and artillery, fucktard?
This is why we have manuals, if we didn't, we'd have stupid fucking people like you spouting shit and getting people killed.
lmao, because of this post the thread went from shamelessly fellating a fucking smokescreen to making/thinking up poor excuses as to why the smokescreen was done the way it was. Mission accomplished, and all the incoherent screeching won't change that.
This thread went from appreciating smokescreen to several monkey screeching and jumping up and down because smoke wasn't used in a way American manual told then it's awful and dangerous and useless and no different than riding brigade worth of vehicles into minefield. Literally KYS
Oh great, now we've reached the schizophrenic ramblings against a strawman stage.
>against a strawman
Look at a thread, the moment someone mentioned that Finn some people had to defend him by pretending that those actions are no different than what Russians are doing
Listen bitch America has the greatest army on planet earth fact Ukraines army before 1991 was a soviet shithole with no doctrine fact if Ukrainians want to survive this war they will do everything exactly how their American advisors tell them how to act. But they are dumb subhuman slavs and will die in a meat bag vs meat bag war
You know, if you weren't a schizo rambler you could had just pointed to a post telling saying that it was awful and dangerous and useless and no different than riding brigade worth of vehicles into minefield. But you can't, because you're a shizo who read "they did it wrong" and turned it into schizo ramblings.
Are those 311 box transports?
yes, they are using m113's to assault positions.
Damn that was fucking cool.
Two thoughts:
1. Where are the Russians? I don't see any return fire.
2. These Ukie assaults are going to be amazing once the Bradleys start rolling in.
>1.
Probably ducking their heads because a tank just fired on their position followed by suppressing fire from the dismounts and the Gavins.
Soon with Chadleys
Actual kino. Good shit by the Ukies, this looks actually professional.
Holy shit this but with Bradleys will make me cum hands free
Think that's training just because no return fire, dead, wounded, explosions, the field is properly harvested, no old arty scars on the ground, nothing goes wrong.
It looks good even for an exercise though.
It was geolocated to vodyane tho
I apologize and retract everything I said.
Oh shit sorry i was wrong. It was geolocated south of bakhmut, the ta KS acking the bmps was in vodyane.
Wait a minute, 2 tanks vs 4 APCs was in Vodyane. You're full of shit. Source or your mom is gay.
It's real, it's just probably not a super important highly-contested area. Probably only light infantry mobiks with AKs and no dedicated anti-tank weapons besides some rusted to shit launcher for the one guy with experience.
It's southwest of Bakhmut near the last highway the Ukies can use. Arguably the hottest sector of the front.
Noice, I love maps like this that really put things into perspective.
yeah that's where the reincarnated Azov is operating. they're the only unit that isnt full of complete retards. them and the 72nd brigade are the most competent fighting forces
holy cope, check the geolocation
WEBM (using https://teddit.net/r/CombatFootage/comments/11fuvbo/24_oshb_aidar_wellcoordinated_work_of_the/ as the source)
Sorry, forgot the WEBM.
>fires
>lays down smoke screen
>mechanized infantry moves in
by the fucking book
By the book is easy until you have enemies shooting at you, and artillery coming at your position
It's like my dad used to say, even the best plans don't survive contact with the enemy.
These are captured South Vietnamese M113 that were given to Russia to reverse engineer American technology. After fully harvesting the high technology from these vehicles Russia gave them to Wagner PMC forces to successfully conduct this mechanized assault on ukrops you are seeing today.
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ah shit, i saw it somewhere on twitter and copied without 4
my bad
it's 48.55904, 37.87571
Aidar is definately my favourite OG volounteer batallion formed on Maidan and went straight to dombas removing zihgers on first day of war. Especially after their cozy videos with local lunansk dwellers in their ranks, defending their home from brown plague.
>Everyone has cameras
>Everyone moving slowly and not bothered about being in the open
>no one seen in the "russian position"
No way this is staged guys seems legit.
>camera focused on getting cool footage of friendlies instead of watching the enemy
fake as fuck
Kino footage. Thanks anon
You know, what really makes the guy laughable is even if the tank dropping smoke on the retreat is debatable, the actual dismounting of the troops and the way they advanced is literally textbook the way you're supposed to assault shit, but of course not only does he not pick up on that instead spewing retarded shit like
>hurr durr they assaulted a position with mechanized infantry and a tank? What the fuck is that?
but also apparently can't count because there's 4 not 2 Gavins there.
Assaulting the enemy position with smoke and vehicles is a war crime
It is so refreshing to see actual combined arms tactics for once in this war and not just a lone tank driving around all by itself.
>https://streamable.com/e6o30w
right? This is the perfect, textbook example of how combined arms armoured assaults go.
Tanks+APC+Infantry+Violence of action =TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO
uhmmm... why not use BMPs? the Gavin is an APC, a BPM is an IFV, is meant to support dismounts in the attack
Obviously they finished their CAS runs and are now deploying g troops
They don't have infinite vehicles anon, and the M113 has several advantages over BMPs like a much larger passenger compartment and quicker dismount which are important in situations like this, notice how quickly they dismount from the M113s.
You're correct that M113s don't have great firepower, but they obviously recognize that, which is why the tank is there.
Nice use of smokescreen
>8.55904, 37.87571
I didn’t know there was so much snow in Ethiopia
Stop! Just fucking stahp! Calling them "Gavin" is not a real thing. Nobody calls them that. You ESLs, just fucking stop!
Gavin
Gavin
Did the werediaper guy do this one? The artstyle looks similar.
Think so. Maybe he's military hah
>we should replace our light trucks with armored, tracked apcs
Based and unlimited budget pilled
>m113a3 cost 300k
>JLTV costs 344k
>both have 300 miles operational range
Anons, I don't like this, maybe Sparks was onto something here.
>Nobody calls them that
You are talking to people who actually call them that
>"Gavin" is not a real thing
That is a nickname that has been attached to it by a small but vocal community. It is, unfortunately, a real thing.
What community? Reformer retards?
I get big Command & Conquer vibes from this, I guess mostly the view but partly the movement
Keep the Cylinders oiled, friendo.
Basedjak take
>MUHHHH NOT TACTICALLY ACCURATE MUHH THE TANK SHOULD'VE GONE THE OTHER DIRECTION UHHHH
Based and redpilled take
>Haha yes this is a cool and awesome military video
How hard is this for you midwits to understand? Are you all soulless automatons incapable of merriment and joy in the face of PrepHoleino?
Anon, we're on a board dedicated to obsessing over military equipment on a website that was made to talk about anime nearly two decades ago, most people on here are VERY autistic.
>Gavin??
Has ANYONE seen Gavin??
beautiful to see the gavins racing up, troops moving textbook as well
compare this attempt vs the Russian mech infantry assaults around Vuhledar lmfao
>they will never be gavin
How would a 3 vehicle probing attack look if it was conducted by, let's say, the U.S without air superiority?
Because from what I've been gathering from years of syrian and ukranian videos, attacking a fortified position (a trench in this case) is a fucking bloodbath for anybody involved. Especially if the attacking force doesn't catch the defenders with their pants down (that one video of an attack on a camp while everybody was sleeping in their tents comes to mind)
artillery preparation
>probing with vehicles only
Recon from 2km away through thermal sights.
>then the attack
Artillery hits the target then shifts to suppress enemy artillery supporting it while mortars continue to smoke and HE the target while MICLICs pop redundant mine-free paths followed by dozers for the tanks who aren't overwatching to spearhead and overrun the target while IFVs suppress while their infantry dismount to clear the target while battalion-level drones overwatch behind the target to call the mortars which ceased fire after the IFVs rolled up against retreating enemy or advancing reinforcements.
tl;dr google 'complex breach'
How much of this is teachable to raw conscripts, and how quickly? Or is it pretty much the province of modern professional Westernized militaries?
It's like chess. The basics are simple and in theory anyone can play, but the gap between noob and amateur who's memorized some openings, or between amateur who's memorized some openings vs full time professional is big.
>standing completely upright directly after dismounting your vehicle >shooting your PKM at nothing, sending rounds 20 ft over their head
>lightly jog or speed walk across an open field with no cover
I have no doubt in my mind I would have 50+ kills if I was over there. It’s got to be the slavic genetics.
I would have shot every single one of those dismounts in like 5 seconds. What the hell are they doing?
>8.55904, 37.87571
latitude 8? kinda cold huh?
you dropped a 4, twat