Ukrainian assault on russian positions, dismounts riding Gavins supported by tank

https://streamable.com/e6o30w
24th Separate Assault Battalion Aidar
geolocated SW from Ivanivske, Donetsk Oblast
8.55904, 37.87571

first time i see a proper use of soviet tank smokescreen in this war

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Gavins

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      pic related

      I unironically love that name, I know that a schizo came up with it, but still.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I had a lot of fun with the remaster, ngl. I actually had an idea of ripping the game assets and trying to do some sort of "Bakhmut simulator" game with it. Weapons play and resources sort of like company of heroes, but heavy focus on fog of war and drone surveillance. Currently it seems to go the way of all my gamedev projects though.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            What game?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              arma 3 rts mod

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I linked to this in another thread yesterday, but no one picked up on it.

    That Finn was full of shit, look at this guys.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I start to think he was given job to tardwrangle most incompetent units to make something useful out of them

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        nah if you watch the videos of the ukrainians attempts at kherson offenses, they look completely moronic just like how the Finn guy says they are

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I do remember Russians complaining that it was impossible to determine where attack will come from because real attack started as multiple smaller attacks and they couldn't respond in time, so they moved all of their most elite units to try and hold that strip of land. And still lost, what about it?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Lives, time, resources.
            Fighting against morons isn't an excuse for being moronic yourself. Just because you're winning doesn't mean you can't do better.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Russia moved most elite, actually trained units, to Kherson and made sure they maintain artillery superiority despite that. Calling everything "drunken-moronic-moronic-fetal-alcohol-syndrome-etc. Etc." Doesn't make you smart, especially when enemy reports literally contradict what horseshit you're spewing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Well he is right in that if you'r unit has been manning foxholes for the last 6 years you probably have developed bad habits and doggy know shit about attacking.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      He's right though, we laugh at the Russians for constantly doing small pointless attacks, yet the Ukrainians do the exact same thing. What's so impressive about dropping some guys off at a treeline? The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault which is absolutely not how you're supposed to do it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault
        he's creating a smokescreen to obscur their movement

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Should had done it while he was moving forwards. Those APCs could had been hit before and during laying the smokescreen. The tank could also had been hit and then unable to lay the smoke. Why is the tank charging ahead and leading the assault anyway? It worked, but it's risky.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Why is the tank charging ahead and leading the assault anyway?
            Who's going to lead?
            Someone has to take point, also if they have drones flying over head, they probably have good enough information to know how much risks they can tank, the enemy positions are probably suppressed by indirect fire at the very least.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Come on dude, don't embarrass yourself, there's no hint of indirect fire and when approaching a known position the infantry go first. Going yolo with tanks looks impressive but it's not a good tactic.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Should had done it while he was moving forwards
            tell you me have you no idea what you're talking about without telling me explicitly

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >What's so impressive about dropping some guys off at a treeline? The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault

        I've literally never seen Russians use smoke in any footage whatsoever, or use the IFVs according to their own doctrine. I've seen the Ukrainians do it many times. They may not be the best but compared to russians they're goddamn SEALs.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I've seen exactly one russian tank use it. Seemed to have worked for their purposes though which was bugging out from a dangerous spot

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You have a point

        >The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault
        he's creating a smokescreen to obscur their movement

        Ineffectually

        https://i.imgur.com/hHMUzlN.jpg

        Basedjak take
        >MUHHHH NOT TACTICALLY ACCURATE MUHH THE TANK SHOULD'VE GONE THE OTHER DIRECTION UHHHH
        Based and redpilled take
        >Haha yes this is a cool and awesome military video

        How hard is this for you midwits to understand? Are you all soulless automatons incapable of merriment and joy in the face of /k/ino?

        We can enjoy the webm while still pointing out its tactical mistakes, anon
        I for one was impressed by the infantry dismount
        but not so much by the tank

        >All this does is waste time and decrease the time the APCs spent concealed.
        How the actual frick you came up with this conclusion you inbred moron?

        If you can't comprehend what he's saying, which is fairly simple, you're not in any place to call him "inbred moron"

        Manual says how to perform X movement. There's nothing stating that maneuver performed here is banned, not only that smoke USA is using and Soviet tank smoke is different.
        You're acting like fricking autist without knowing situation. What if tank scouted forward and only when command assessed situation worth committing APCs does tank lays smoke(and since he's forward he is laying smoke backwards), never thought about that?

        prima facie however it does look like a mistake

        Just curious, my thought when first seeing the tank laying smoke was that to shield the apcs from potential enfilade ATGM/Anti-tank fire (you can literally see a trenchline from where possible fire could come from). Why do you think this is so out of the realm of possibility you're having an autistic meltdown on tibetan basket weaving forum?

        because it still doesn't make sense - in all possible scenarios, wherever the enemy fire is coming from, the tank should be moving more or less in formation with the APCs while producing smoke

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >because it still doesn't make sense - in all possible scenarios, wherever the enemy fire is coming from, the tank should be moving more or less in formation with the APCs
          Unless tank was already forward, in which case he has to move backwards to provide smoke cover.
          >but why was take forward
          There many different reasons why tank would be first, not least of all, trying to gage response of the enemy. If they have Kornets and tank of their own, which they would use, not deploy APCs, if Russians do not use anything to stop tank, deploy APCs

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >tank was already forward
            there's no reason for it to be, is one of anon's points

            How the frick do they rationalize this bros? I just don't fricking understand. If you wanna believe Russia is winning I guess I can see how it's possible to mental gymnastics your way into it, but how on EARTH do you fricking see Russia taking over a year to beat Ukraine and say "yeah they're even stronger than I thought" when the prewar propaganda was all "muh 7 days to the Rhine muh 2 weeks to Paris muh fighter jets over I95." Are there any pajeets here who can explain the thought process?

            partly hopium, partly ignorance

            for example, there are unironically dudes who say "look, Russia has always taken it on the chin first and come back later, it's Barbarossa this year but it'll be Bagration next" forgetting that Russia today is like a tenth of the military and industrial power of the Soviet Union whereas the USA never shrunk that much and indeed went on to new heights technologically and economically

            what this war has taught me is that cope and hope in a dope is a hell of a thing

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >there's no reason for it to be, is one of anon's points
              that anon is clearly a moron then

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah? so you explain why the tank could be coming from the OPPOSITE FRICKING DIRECTION of the assault then, idiot

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                scouting forward

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >tank scout
                >alone
                >with no infantry backup
                >shows vulnerable ass to enemy in order to cover assault with smoke
                ISHYGDDT, you aren't a vatnik, are you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >scouting
                so there's a trenchline or whatever up top and the treeline to the right

                you send a tank alone, unsupported, to scout these positions, exposing your flank to potential ATGMs from the top position?

                then not getting shot at, your tank doubles back, now exposing your ASS to the enemy potentially in the treeline, while the infantry assault the enemy in the treeline??? and you helpfully lay smoke, to shield from fire from the top?

                where the frick did you learn that???

                >what's the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >now exposing your ASS to the enemy potentially in the treeline
                if only he had some smoke used in this situation obscuring him from behind

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                if only he had coordinated his movements so he had BOTH armor and smoke protecting him

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                this is Russian tank -it can reach slow walking pace in reverse (3-4 km/h) - in optimal conditions.
                they were not designed for this kind of witchcraft you are thinking about.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Let me tell you how to fight a war you are currently winning, and have been winning for the past year! My reddit spacing shows I know what I'm talking about!
                get off my board

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine is winning because Russia is moronic. Ukraine is also moronic, just less so than Russia. But being a bit less moronic than Russia is not a high bar to clear, and not an excuse for moronic tactics.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >if they're winning the war they're doing everything perfectly

                >approach treeline, lay down 120mm shells into trench to suppress whoever is there
                >reverse and provide smoke to protect APCs from the other line

                >reverse
                except he didn't

                this is Russian tank -it can reach slow walking pace in reverse (3-4 km/h) - in optimal conditions.
                they were not designed for this kind of witchcraft you are thinking about.

                goddamit there's zero need to reverse AT ALL if the tank and the APCs move in TOGETHER

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >except he didn't
                soviet tanks cannot physically move backwards, the only way to move backwards is to turn around

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >goddamit there's zero need to reverse AT ALL if the tank and the APCs move in TOGETHER

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yes, I'm sure your mspaint doodle shows the tactical situation better than all the drones and NATO intelligence the veteran frontline soldiers have access to
                stop shitting up my fricking boad you utter dunning-kruger child

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point of false-flagging like this if you're going to be this obvious?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                he thinks it's funny
                dude frogposts in 2023; you know he has the sense of humour of a child

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I just want to vent and this has no bearing on the argument.

                There is nothing wrong with frogposting.
                I hate that it has been deliberately and maliciously associated with shitposting by pairing it with shitposts.
                The well has been poisoned and we will never have those idyllic days again.
                That is all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yeah I'm sorry anon but the days pepe was cool was before covid
                shitposters on other boards had adopted it since at least 2018 that I remember, it was a sign of terminal moronation to see one

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Much earlier than that actually. It was when "The Deplorables" meme happened that overnight suddenly pepe was associated with shitposts.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >overnight suddenly pepe was associated with shitposts
                PrepHole is gonna freak

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                right, I see
                I didn't know anything about it, I'm not American and at the time I was only on /tg/

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point of using words you don't actually know the meaning of you mouthbreather?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I bet this is exactly what Western trainers have to deal with in Ukraine.
                >Do it this way, stop being moronic
                >Blyat, we're winning, frick off Finngol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >approach treeline, lay down 120mm shells into trench to suppress whoever is there
                >reverse and provide smoke to protect APCs from the other line

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                also
                >lay down 120mm shells into trench to suppress
                is supposed to be done in concert with supporting infantry and APCs

                look, it's not rocket fricking science, okay, if fricking Brad Pitt can figure it out, you lot ought to be able to

                everyone moves in TOGETHER

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                So let's get this straight, you have a tank in front, right next to a forest without infantry protection, then it gets spooked by something so the battle taxis get sent forward? It really doesn't make much sense.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >then it gets spooked by something
                maybe your posts would be taken more seriously if you were not so disingenuous

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The only disingenuity here is pretending it makes sense to send tanks forward to "scout" when you have infantry. What's the idea here?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure inventing a story how tank got spooked by something to make situation look absurd is not disingenuous

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >point your rear at the enemy position you're assaulting
                found the niggbrain who actually needs reminding

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, so let's get this straight, the tank decided to lay smoke for the hell of it. Except if the plan was to lay smoke in the first place, it should had been doing so from the start, as it was approaching the position. And irregardless, sending the tank in first is stupid. It's a treeline. What is the tactical advantage of sending a tank right up the perfect ambush territory short of down a street full of tall buildings?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the tank decided to lay smoke for the hell of it. Except if the plan was to lay smoke in the first place, it should had been doing so from the start, as it was approaching the position
                he's clearly providing smoke for M113s not himself

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, exactly, if he was laying smoke for the M113s, he should had been doing so from the start, and not doing some stupid counter flow movement.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >a company-sized attack? in my hecking WW3? but reddit promised me operation uranus 2: mobik holocaust reeeeeeee

        good god finngols are insufferable
        spend a summer in camp perkele and suddendly you're snow rambo guided by the spirit of Attila

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          1. It's a platoon sized attack
          2. It's just not very exciting or impressive
          3. There's literally no enemies or return fire at all. If it wasn't for the location you would think it's a photo op of some dudes leaving an APC.
          4. Small scale attacks are indeed completely pointless
          5. They indeed can just sit back and mow down waves of mobiks.
          Numbered for your convenience, so that you can autisticly refute me at your leisure.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            1. ur a gay

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I accept your concession you cross-boarding tourist.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >That Finn was full of shit,
      Just search that link in archive, 8/10 times it was posted in chug, 1/10 in separate thread how bahmut will faill in two minutes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        it was more critical so it would get posted there more. Doesn't really say anything on it's own.

        The point is that we're watching a video of things looking competent; Ukraine aren't going to release loads of videos of them fighting badly.

        I don't see why people flat out reject the idea that the army has some problems with training in some units like it's some insane idea.

        I like the ukie propaganda but it's still just propaganda. This shit is silly ESPECIALLY when giving the ukies more training is a totally doable and very effective thing that we could do more of (and that more countries could get involved in as it's cheap)

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine aren't going to release loads of videos of them fighting badly
          They've done that plenty of times though, most notably and recently that arab-tier video that went around recently. After all, it must be remembered propaganda is aimed towards ordinary people, who have no idea of tactics and think wild spraying and general dynamism are impressive things. And anyway, driving somewhere and disgorging some troops is not competence. I know Russia's extraordinary prowess has distorted things to the point that that not hitting a minefield and managing to survive long enough deploy the transported troops is now considered impressive, but come on.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That's kinda my point, I don't think this video DEBOONKS the idea Ukraine might have a training problem. People are like "but look anon they all got out the vehicles, see?"

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >And anyway, driving somewhere and disgorging some troops is not competence
            It is

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The “brown hands typed this post” meme really is true lmfao isn’t it? Flags when?!!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just posting stats from the same article, which I thought were funny, man.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          unironically what is wrong with pajeets
          How can you look at this debacle and say "yeah this is going better than expected for Russia"?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you have no idea just how much your average indian in india seethes at the existence of the west

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >you have no idea just how much your average indian in india seethes at the existence of the west
              why tho? are they butthurt about brits?
              i know they're deeply insecure about being a total shithole compared to china because they started out similar years ago

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They realized that the entire country is just one big designated shitting street and are in awe

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Russia is doing the needful sir, you bloody bastard b***h.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            please read carefully
            only around 10% of pajeets think that Russia is and was strong
            - 60% think that this shitshow is actually better than what they thought Russians were capable of

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Frickin Indians man

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >https://streamable.com/e6o30w
            The Fricking CFR...

            >Anon go suck some dicks please

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            india love everyone except muslims and china
            I'd say pretty based

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Makes sense, the SU-30MKI has avionics and otyher systems from russkies and the western nations so they tend to lean on a broad base of partners for military stuff, which is true for the Tejas also.
            Also there's the weird colonial relationship with the bongs, such Indian volunteers that fought for the UK in WW2 like this extremely based pilot:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohinder_Singh_Pujji

            So I guess they have done business with everyone

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Pujji's insistence on wearing the dastar inflight meant he could not attach the oxygen mask, it would later cost him an irreparably damaged lung caused by exposure to high-altitude flying. Subsequently, in 1960, he ceased wearing the customary dastar Sikh headwear, "Times changed," he said.

              Fricking guy refused to wear an oxygen mask for the entire airwar because it would frick with his turban and shot down germans with a collapsed lung

              >When some 300 US troops were lost without rations, food and radio contact, in the dense Burmese jungle swarming with Japanese soldiers, the US sent out a search party to locate them, however, after the US search party failed after 3-days to locate them, Pujji was personally requested by General William Slim, 1st Viscount Slim of the British Fourteenth Army to find them.Pujji climbed into his plane and in adverse weather flew low over treetops across Japanese occupied territory into the suspected area—and with jubilation for everyone—Pujji found them.

              Pajeets have a lot of based DNA in the upper castes for sure

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >weird colonial relationship with the bongs
              there is none
              pajeets are only out to milk the "MUH IMPERIALISTS GIBS GIBS GIBS" for as long as they can
              Indian news has been unashamedly critical of NATO's efforts to support Ukraine and continues to spread Russian disinfo happily

              this hilarious identity mixup exposes this in the most bizarre way:

              >bbbbut WW2 heroes
              me lad, the Indian Govt itself memoryholed those heroes for decades because they fought for the colonial masters and put the Indian nationalists to shame - the INA fought for the Japs and hardly participated let alone pulled off feats of valour, and that wasn't something independent India wanted to think about

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            At some point, India is going to be forced to reconcile the Russia vs China thing, because those two countries are becoming allies. If they continue to be an enemy of China, they will have to be an enemy of Russia.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          what the frick is wrong with pajeets

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          God I hate Indians so much, bros.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          How the frick do they rationalize this bros? I just don't fricking understand. If you wanna believe Russia is winning I guess I can see how it's possible to mental gymnastics your way into it, but how on EARTH do you fricking see Russia taking over a year to beat Ukraine and say "yeah they're even stronger than I thought" when the prewar propaganda was all "muh 7 days to the Rhine muh 2 weeks to Paris muh fighter jets over I95." Are there any pajeets here who can explain the thought process?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >sure, Russia is strong, but they'd never dare actually start shit
            >o, they did (and i value chutzpah over capability)
            something like that?

            How would a 3 vehicle probing attack look if it was conducted by, let's say, the U.S without air superiority?
            Because from what I've been gathering from years of syrian and ukranian videos, attacking a fortified position (a trench in this case) is a fricking bloodbath for anybody involved. Especially if the attacking force doesn't catch the defenders with their pants down (that one video of an attack on a camp while everybody was sleeping in their tents comes to mind)

            well it might take place at night, be led by unmanned systems, and just following almost excessive bombardment

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >How the frick do they rationalize this bros?
            Probably by thinking the show of strength equals tactical results. Same reason Asiatic nations stage impotent missile drills over the ocean. Pomp, puffery and such matter.
            To the Asiatic mind, the following is an impressive display of military might and excellence, performed daily to show their people how much they are being protected. Meanwhile, military maneuvers and border stations are just low-key matters in the US.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Are Indians really thinking
          >woah
          >can't believe they took this village on the border after 8 months of continued assault
          >the bear is truly mighty
          ?
          Just how shit is Indian media? The Russians in rural Siberia probably have a more sane view of this conflict.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The Russians in rural Siberia probably have a more sane view of this conflict.
            Of course they do, they can actually see coffins rolling into their villages. While Indians likely only get news about Russian victorious victories over mighty 14 population villages and outstanding tactical retreat from meaningless Kherson and Izum

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            because they're not talking in good faith. those indian scam call centers have been slowly withering away since people have become more aware of their schemes. so they now shill for russian to cover their incomes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >moronic Americans that can't even solve basic math think Russia is losing
          >High IQ Indians that are taking over all American companies think Russia is winning
          It's actually over isn't it? If Amerimutt think Russia is weak and IndiaKINGS think Russia is strong then its obvious that the High IQ group is correct.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            that's not how facts work

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The Finn was 100% right, what the frick is this shit? Like a tank and two apcs that drop what? A beffed up squad of dudes to assualt a position?
      This just what the fricking Russians are doing, piece-meal attacks, the only difference is that these Ukrainians didnt leming themselfs at some mine field.
      If you dont have the power to attack its better to just defend and build up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No, doing raids and small scale offensives are part of a modern, effective and mobile defense. This isn't WWI. You abso-fricking-lutely don't just dig in and wait, that is suicide in 2023.

        A platoon sized raid =/= pointless offensive

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Active defense is how you defend in the 21st century. You dont just sit in your trench and wait for the enemy to come to you.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think this works in the 21st century. The vast majority of losses are due to these small scale raids. But with almost non stop recon its a high risk low reward.
          It seems like every offense in this war happens prematurely and with a third of the troops required.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Shut the frick up you tourist moron, you clearly know nothing relevant about combined arms doctrine besides what you learned in call of duty

            read this document on combined arms warfare and come back to chat then you mongoloid imbecile:
            https://web.archive.org/web/20160322114809/http://armypubs.army.mil/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/adrp3_0.pdf

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Prole Anger
              And I'm not going to read your shitty document. War has always been decided by large scale offenses that overran parts of the front line.
              You're a classic bureaucratic midwit who would fit effortlessly into the russian general stuff. Don't think, just follow the booooks.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon are these "large scale offenses" in the room with us right now?
                Oh sorry, they were and currently still are getting chewed up and spit out around Bakhmut and Vuhledar.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Those small towns aren't going to decide the course of this war. Not even in the sense that they're causing attritional damage. Ukraine will do a clean sweep of all conquered territories in a massive offensive once they're fully trained up and are full of materiel. These small attacks do nothing, just like how Kherson and Kharkiv were taken in one go, and not because of repeated small meaningless attacks. He is right and you are wrong.

                [...]
                [...]
                Nobody is impressed with what you read in your bullshit tactical manual for armchair generals, homosexual. A good deal of written military tactics are horseshit based on anecdotes and besides you also don't know anything about the dispositions of enemy forces in that video.

                The United States Army Field Manuals and commonly accepted conventional combined arms tactics are bullshit
                kek, the absolute state of Ukrainain cheerleaders. Just take your temporary L and accept your inevitable victory, instead of getting so mad about every little thing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You can't infere the tactical situation with the webm. Refering to a manual is moronic because its a guideline, not a sacred book. Direction of the wind, enemy positions, positions at the start of the maneuver. All of this is important and we can't telle what it was from this vid except that the maneuver suceeded.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you can come up anything but the most contrived of reasons to start at the finish line and then move backwards laying smoke. It just doesn't make sense. You're literally going forwards, then going back to where you started. All this does is waste time and decrease the time the APCs spent concealed. There's no point imagining that there was some imaginary scenario, we work with what we've got, and what we got is far from jerking off over like many in this thread have done.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The point is that we don't really know from the video, and outside the fact that it look like it goes against guidelines in manuals, we don't have much idea as to why it was done this way.
                Maybe the smoke wasn't use to conceal vehicles but to confuse the defender as to which side would be attacked. Or maybe they fricked up. Or maybe they had to move somewhere else for support but could still lay a bit a smoke in the process which while not the most useful, was not useless either.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Coping with a single instance of a badly laid smokescreen by fondly imaging scenarios to justify it
                >One of those scenarios is "they fricked up"
                Holy shit

                >All this does is waste time and decrease the time the APCs spent concealed.
                How the actual frick you came up with this conclusion you inbred moron?

                see

                https://i.imgur.com/RePS24p.png

                [...]
                Cool story bro.
                The tank needed to be traveling in the direction of the units it is protecting. This is common sense, the way they did it in this video means the M113s only get concealed when they cross paths with the tank. Think about it from the perspective of an enemy on the flanks that the smokescreen was clearly supposed to protect against.
                See pic related, and also my 9001 hours in mspaint for those who can't read English.

                The tank should had advanced ahead of the the APCs, laying smoke. Following the smoke and staying concealed the entire time. As opposed to racing forward to meet the smoke screen being laid.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Manual says how to perform X movement. There's nothing stating that maneuver performed here is banned, not only that smoke USA is using and Soviet tank smoke is different.
                You're acting like fricking autist without knowing situation. What if tank scouted forward and only when command assessed situation worth committing APCs does tank lays smoke(and since he's forward he is laying smoke backwards), never thought about that?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Holy shit
                seems like intellectual honesty come as a shock for you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >All this does is waste time and decrease the time the APCs spent concealed.
                How the actual frick you came up with this conclusion you inbred moron?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think you can come up anything but the most contrived of reasons
                >"Enemy infantry to the left"
                >"Load HE, fire! Reverse, deploy smoke!"
                >"Infantry, use smoke as cover and assault that position"

                Contrived indeed.

              • 1 year ago
                sage

                Just curious, my thought when first seeing the tank laying smoke was that to shield the apcs from potential enfilade ATGM/Anti-tank fire (you can literally see a trenchline from where possible fire could come from). Why do you think this is so out of the realm of possibility you're having an autistic meltdown on tibetan basket weaving forum?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Dumbest person in this thread and obvious turd worlder

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                okay Black person.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Waste of dubs.
                >War has always been decided by large scale offenses that overran parts of the front line

                This homie don't know about Vietnam

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not going to read your shitty document
                Probably because you can't figure out how to put it through google translate you fricking mouth breather

                If you did somehow put together the brain cells to read the document, you would actually realise that it explains exactly HOW to conduct these "large scale offensives", and also when small attacks like the ones in the OP are appropriate. But obviously none of this means anything to you, I'm just writing this out to further kek at your tactical ineptitude for the sake of all the other anons ITT laughing at your no-tempo having, no violence of initiative having ass.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            i think this is happening because the higher the chain of command, the more incompetent and soviet the generals are.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Where's the active defense in Bakhmut? Sitting back and letting the Russian come to prepared defenses is exactly how they inflicted massive amounts of damage, just like how all those failed offensives in WWI did nothing but cause casualties for the attacker.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sincerely, what the frick are you talking about? You talk like you're in a video game you dumb homosexual.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          it's like commentary on a game of Red Alert

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You're complete lack of modern maneuver warfare clearly outs you as a tourist, your faith in the Finn means probably from /misc/.
        Other anons have pointed out the importance of small unit initiative, probing, and raids in modern defensives, but I'm more interested in your very antiquated, simple idea of warfare and why you would think the people actually fighting the modern large scale land war would agree with you.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        please go back moron

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the size of the units/ number of troops doesnt matter. what matters is if they're competently coordinating with each other.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >What is operational level of war
        Thats why both side have trouble attacking in the first place. They are wienerblocked by small scale offensive on the whole front that force them to send reserve instead of actually attacking.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >put more than a platoon together
        >get spotted by satellites and sniped by drone-spotted arty
        sasuga, napoleon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >That Finn was full of shit

      The Finn was 100% right, what the frick is this shit? Like a tank and two apcs that drop what? A beffed up squad of dudes to assualt a position?
      This just what the fricking Russians are doing, piece-meal attacks, the only difference is that these Ukrainians didnt leming themselfs at some mine field.
      If you dont have the power to attack its better to just defend and build up.

      >The Finn was 100% right

      The Finn is a armchair general with zero actual war experience, majority of the high-level Finnish officers are like that.
      They're delusional and think they're competent because they're old and kids doing their mandatory military service are forced to salute at them.

      I can guarantee that the guy went to Ukraine, said some moronic shit and got told that it was moronic.
      And thus, general Butt-Hurt is now ranting about how Ukrainian officers are shit and have a bad attitude.

      t. Finn

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        One of the Finns interviewed as a known con-man too. Quite amusing.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, the one who was speaking optimistically about Ukrainians was the conman. That was probably because he didn't know what he was talking about

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >t. someone who didn't even go there

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >They're delusional and think they're competent because they're old

        Adding to this as a finn - they grew up with the "unbeatable Soviet Union" mindset driven by the pro-russian leftist cold war government in Finland, so in their mind, no matter what you do, it's not enough.

        And even if it's enough, you will be punished by tactical nuclear weapons and fighting should be considered overall.

        These people have skill, but they also are a cancer because of their prehistoric attitudes. They don't know about the power of the west. They are absolutely clueless when they have to think about a situation where...tenacious slavic people with low skill...are enhanced with western weapons and training...while fighting the remnants of the soviet union.

        They just cannot handle it. They are confused.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >pro-russian leftist cold war government in Finland
          How the frick did this even happen? Were they KGB assets or Quislings?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It was left leaning out of necessity. Moscow made it clear that if there would be a government leaning too far right they would need to take action to "save finland from nazis".

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Finns are fricking cucks who ride on the memory of Winter War, which they lost, and brag about winning some obscure military exercise against muh-reens.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Finns are fricking cucks who ride on the memory of Winter War, which they lost, and brag about winning some obscure military exercise against muh-reens.

        Finns make russopigs seethe, joining the NATO, having Sanna Marin bash the illegal Moscow terrorist regime, putting the F-35 at quick strike distance from Moscow, overall being not just better at conscript level than professionals of other militaries but being GODS compared to russian homosexuals.

        I hope they get to kill russians in the near future. I hope most russians get what they deserve, no matter who gives it to them 😀

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >first time i see a proper use of soviet tank smokescreen in this war
    I've seen tanks use smokescreen defensively. But this is first time use of it offensively. Also there was video from Vuhledar, while reporter couldn't see herself smoke, soldier that was with her said that smoke just was popped over fields which means start of Ukrainian counterattack to capture more mobiks from 155th

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    That looks actually proper for once.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, because nobody is there to shoot at them.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dope

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ukies dont have PKP in yse. Those are russians with repurposed m113 from fleeing piggies.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Weak bait.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Artillery rounds fall
    >Entire squad dies
    Honestly they were better off instantly digging than just sitting there in the open, even if the point was to suppress the guys during the flanking.

    This looks like western training, but at the same time dangerous as frick.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They're too close to be digging in, this is an assault anon. It's inherently risky to be on the attacking side, they were able to dismount, get their bearings and start pushing forwards fairly quickly. They're not going to be sticking around.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Honestly they were better off instantly digging than just sitting there in the open
      Their job is to capture that treeline not make a foxhole next to it and wait for something, you have no time to dig anything

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >https://streamable.com/e6o30w
      they were assaulting a russian trenchline. the russians wouldn't artillery their own trenchline. or maybe they would they are drunk Black folk

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Correct use of a smoke screen
    HOLY SHIT WHAT KIND OF MAGIC IS THIS?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >HOLY SHIT WHAT KIND OF MAGIC IS THIS?
      western training is magic to slavs

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Should had done it while he was moving forwards
      tell you me have you no idea what you're talking about without telling me explicitly

      Cool story bro.
      The tank needed to be traveling in the direction of the units it is protecting. This is common sense, the way they did it in this video means the M113s only get concealed when they cross paths with the tank. Think about it from the perspective of an enemy on the flanks that the smokescreen was clearly supposed to protect against.
      See pic related, and also my 9001 hours in mspaint for those who can't read English.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Finn was 100% right, what the frick is this shit? Like a tank and two apcs that drop what? A beffed up squad of dudes to assualt a position?
        This just what the fricking Russians are doing, piece-meal attacks, the only difference is that these Ukrainians didnt leming themselfs at some mine field.
        If you dont have the power to attack its better to just defend and build up.

        He's right though, we laugh at the Russians for constantly doing small pointless attacks, yet the Ukrainians do the exact same thing. What's so impressive about dropping some guys off at a treeline? The tank dropping the smokescreen is also moving against the direction of assault which is absolutely not how you're supposed to do it.

        Nobody is impressed with what you read in your bullshit tactical manual for armchair generals, homosexual. A good deal of written military tactics are horseshit based on anecdotes and besides you also don't know anything about the dispositions of enemy forces in that video.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yes I hear many serving generals do indeed prefer to get their tactics from PrepHole instead

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Reminder that most experienced American soldiers in Iraq considered manual on how to fortify the building to be no better than toilet paper

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              okay, but that doesn't magically make the autism of /k/ any better

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Reminder that most experienced American soldiers in Iraq considered manual on how to fortify the building to be no better than toilet paper

              How many times did they attack russians armed with AT rockets, ATGM and artillery, fricktard?

              This is why we have manuals, if we didn't, we'd have stupid fricking people like you spouting shit and getting people killed.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        lmao, because of this post the thread went from shamelessly fellating a fricking smokescreen to making/thinking up poor excuses as to why the smokescreen was done the way it was. Mission accomplished, and all the incoherent screeching won't change that.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This thread went from appreciating smokescreen to several monkey screeching and jumping up and down because smoke wasn't used in a way American manual told then it's awful and dangerous and useless and no different than riding brigade worth of vehicles into minefield. Literally KYS

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Oh great, now we've reached the schizophrenic ramblings against a strawman stage.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >against a strawman
              Look at a thread, the moment someone mentioned that Finn some people had to defend him by pretending that those actions are no different than what Russians are doing

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Listen b***h America has the greatest army on planet earth fact Ukraines army before 1991 was a soviet shithole with no doctrine fact if Ukrainians want to survive this war they will do everything exactly how their American advisors tell them how to act. But they are dumb subhuman slavs and will die in a meat bag vs meat bag war

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You know, if you weren't a schizo rambler you could had just pointed to a post telling saying that it was awful and dangerous and useless and no different than riding brigade worth of vehicles into minefield. But you can't, because you're a shizo who read "they did it wrong" and turned it into schizo ramblings.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are those 311 box transports?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes, they are using m113's to assault positions.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Damn that was fricking cool.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Two thoughts:
    1. Where are the Russians? I don't see any return fire.
    2. These Ukie assaults are going to be amazing once the Bradleys start rolling in.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >1.
      Probably ducking their heads because a tank just fired on their position followed by suppressing fire from the dismounts and the Gavins.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Soon with Chadleys

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Actual kino. Good shit by the Ukies, this looks actually professional.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit this but with Bradleys will make me cum hands free

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Think that's training just because no return fire, dead, wounded, explosions, the field is properly harvested, no old arty scars on the ground, nothing goes wrong.
    It looks good even for an exercise though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It was geolocated to vodyane tho

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I apologize and retract everything I said.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Oh shit sorry i was wrong. It was geolocated south of bakhmut, the ta KS acking the bmps was in vodyane.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Wait a minute, 2 tanks vs 4 APCs was in Vodyane. You're full of shit. Source or your mom is gay.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's real, it's just probably not a super important highly-contested area. Probably only light infantry mobiks with AKs and no dedicated anti-tank weapons besides some rusted to shit launcher for the one guy with experience.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's southwest of Bakhmut near the last highway the Ukies can use. Arguably the hottest sector of the front.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Noice, I love maps like this that really put things into perspective.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah that's where the reincarnated Azov is operating. they're the only unit that isnt full of complete morons. them and the 72nd brigade are the most competent fighting forces

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      holy cope, check the geolocation

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    WEBM (using https://teddit.net/r/CombatFootage/comments/11fuvbo/24_oshb_aidar_wellcoordinated_work_of_the/ as the source)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry, forgot the WEBM.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >fires
        >lays down smoke screen
        >mechanized infantry moves in
        by the fricking book

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          By the book is easy until you have enemies shooting at you, and artillery coming at your position

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's like my dad used to say, even the best plans don't survive contact with the enemy.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    These are captured South Vietnamese M113 that were given to Russia to reverse engineer American technology. After fully harvesting the high technology from these vehicles Russia gave them to Wagner PMC forces to successfully conduct this mechanized assault on ukrops you are seeing today.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      (You)

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    ah shit, i saw it somewhere on twitter and copied without 4
    my bad
    it's 48.55904, 37.87571

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Aidar is definately my favourite OG volounteer batallion formed on Maidan and went straight to dombas removing zihgers on first day of war. Especially after their cozy videos with local lunansk dwellers in their ranks, defending their home from brown plague.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Everyone has cameras
    >Everyone moving slowly and not bothered about being in the open
    >no one seen in the "russian position"
    No way this is staged guys seems legit.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >camera focused on getting cool footage of friendlies instead of watching the enemy
      fake as frick

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Kino footage. Thanks anon

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You know, what really makes the guy laughable is even if the tank dropping smoke on the retreat is debatable, the actual dismounting of the troops and the way they advanced is literally textbook the way you're supposed to assault shit, but of course not only does he not pick up on that instead spewing moronic shit like
    >hurr durr they assaulted a position with mechanized infantry and a tank? What the frick is that?
    but also apparently can't count because there's 4 not 2 Gavins there.

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Assaulting the enemy position with smoke and vehicles is a war crime

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It is so refreshing to see actual combined arms tactics for once in this war and not just a lone tank driving around all by itself.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >https://streamable.com/e6o30w
      right? This is the perfect, textbook example of how combined arms armoured assaults go.

      Tanks+APC+Infantry+Violence of action =TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    uhmmm... why not use BMPs? the Gavin is an APC, a BPM is an IFV, is meant to support dismounts in the attack

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously they finished their CAS runs and are now deploying g troops

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They don't have infinite vehicles anon, and the M113 has several advantages over BMPs like a much larger passenger compartment and quicker dismount which are important in situations like this, notice how quickly they dismount from the M113s.
      You're correct that M113s don't have great firepower, but they obviously recognize that, which is why the tank is there.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Nice use of smokescreen

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >8.55904, 37.87571
    I didn’t know there was so much snow in Ethiopia

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Stop! Just fricking stahp! Calling them "Gavin" is not a real thing. Nobody calls them that. You ESLs, just fricking stop!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Gavin

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Gavin

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Did the werediaper guy do this one? The artstyle looks similar.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Think so. Maybe he's military hah

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >we should replace our light trucks with armored, tracked apcs
        Based and unlimited budget pilled

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >m113a3 cost 300k
          >JLTV costs 344k
          >both have 300 miles operational range

          Anons, I don't like this, maybe Sparks was onto something here.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Nobody calls them that
      You are talking to people who actually call them that
      >"Gavin" is not a real thing
      That is a nickname that has been attached to it by a small but vocal community. It is, unfortunately, a real thing.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What community? Reformer morons?

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I get big Command & Conquer vibes from this, I guess mostly the view but partly the movement

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Keep the Cylinders oiled, friendo.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Basedjak take
    >MUHHHH NOT TACTICALLY ACCURATE MUHH THE TANK SHOULD'VE GONE THE OTHER DIRECTION UHHHH
    Based and redpilled take
    >Haha yes this is a cool and awesome military video

    How hard is this for you midwits to understand? Are you all soulless automatons incapable of merriment and joy in the face of /k/ino?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, we're on a board dedicated to obsessing over military equipment on a website that was made to talk about anime nearly two decades ago, most people on here are VERY autistic.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Gavin??
    Has ANYONE seen Gavin??

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    beautiful to see the gavins racing up, troops moving textbook as well

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    compare this attempt vs the Russian mech infantry assaults around Vuhledar lmfao

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >they will never be gavin

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How would a 3 vehicle probing attack look if it was conducted by, let's say, the U.S without air superiority?
    Because from what I've been gathering from years of syrian and ukranian videos, attacking a fortified position (a trench in this case) is a fricking bloodbath for anybody involved. Especially if the attacking force doesn't catch the defenders with their pants down (that one video of an attack on a camp while everybody was sleeping in their tents comes to mind)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      artillery preparation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >probing with vehicles only
      Recon from 2km away through thermal sights.
      >then the attack
      Artillery hits the target then shifts to suppress enemy artillery supporting it while mortars continue to smoke and HE the target while MICLICs pop redundant mine-free paths followed by dozers for the tanks who aren't overwatching to spearhead and overrun the target while IFVs suppress while their infantry dismount to clear the target while battalion-level drones overwatch behind the target to call the mortars which ceased fire after the IFVs rolled up against retreating enemy or advancing reinforcements.

      tl;dr google 'complex breach'

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How much of this is teachable to raw conscripts, and how quickly? Or is it pretty much the province of modern professional Westernized militaries?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's like chess. The basics are simple and in theory anyone can play, but the gap between noob and amateur who's memorized some openings, or between amateur who's memorized some openings vs full time professional is big.

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >standing completely upright directly after dismounting your vehicle >shooting your PKM at nothing, sending rounds 20 ft over their head
    >lightly jog or speed walk across an open field with no cover
    I have no doubt in my mind I would have 50+ kills if I was over there. It’s got to be the slavic genetics.

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I would have shot every single one of those dismounts in like 5 seconds. What the hell are they doing?

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >8.55904, 37.87571
    latitude 8? kinda cold huh?
    you dropped a 4, twat

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