nah, special equipment is for EW, radars, comm nodes, etc. Golf carts are probably being put under the 'vehicles and fuel tanks' section if they're being put anywhere.
>as a competent well funded military
Your planes get shot down 100km from the front and you have to resort to artillery assaults anyway, welcome to modern warfare b***h
SEAD isn't always practical/possible to accomplish within the time frame you have to accomplish your operation within. It also isn't guaranteed to work. If your enemy has planes of their own and a relatively good air defense network they can make SEAD/DEAD operations so difficult and costly that they might be taken off the table even if they are possible. >not every country has a military that is as poor and incompetent as the Russian military.
As shocking as it sounds, most countries are worse than Russia.
LMAO. Gaining air superiority is the first step of any succesful operation as far as every first-class military on the planet is concerned. As shocking as it sounds, nobody but you thinks that the poor substitutes inferior militaries need to resort to are preferrable solutions to be advocated for.
https://www.rmf24.pl/tylko-w-rmf24/poranna-rozmowa/news-polak-walczacy-w-ukrainie-nie-bronie-ziemi-ukrainskiej-broni,nId,7418242#crp_state=1
text form, run it through translator or something.
>The army's launching an offensive and we're gonna be the first ones to go in. >Haven't they got guys who are specially trained for that? >We're going in before them. They're too expensive to waste.
no one is complaining. it's just a cruel, cynical and inhumane tactic, for all the "sheep" and "roosters" used as fodder. They wouldn't have to wage war in such a primitive and self-destructive way if they were smarter and less psychopathic
I take 100 artillery tubes and fire 100 rounds from each with the last three being smoke rounds, I send in the infantry just before the HE rounds are depleted so when the smokes start coming they just rush in. In case of mines they bring bangalores.
>Sending hundreds of your men to die to figure out where stuff is >instead of using drones for spotting like the Ukies' been doing
it's only a valid strategy if you're legitimately too stupid or too dysfunctional to do anything else. It's a strategy of last resort and shows how monumentally stupid the Russians are for starting this war in the first place.
>it's only a valid strategy if you're legitimately too stupid or too dysfunctional to do anything else.
Or the electromagnetic spectrum is so heavily jammed and the airspace so thick with flak that drones are unable to actually provide valuable intel. Drones aren't the answer to everything buddy.
>Or the electromagnetic spectrum is so heavily jammed and the airspace so thick with flak that drones are unable to actually provide valuable intel.
I don't think i've seen anything like that so far in this war. Might be possible i suppose, but not that likely. Besides, there's half a dozen reconnaissance methods that don't involve throwing meatwaves at the enemy. >Drones aren't the answer to everything buddy.
And i don't claim that they are. Just that, in this case, they're probably a better solution than what Russia currently employs.
>I don't think i've seen anything like that so far in this war.
I was speaking hypothetically, of course that hasn't happened yet. But I strongly suspect that sort of thing being the norm on front lines isn't far off. >they're probably a better solution than what Russia currently employs.
There are lots of better solutions than what Russia currently employs to lots of problems they face, but there are typically reasons that they don't. Those reasons range from lacking the capability to lacking the resources to just being a pack of illiterate morons led by a chimpanzee. I suspect that they do use drones as part of those probing attacks, but in smaller numbers than the Ukrainians. It's easier to spot where the enemy is when they are engaged, even when you have drone. Also the use of cannon fodder like that probably forces the Ukrainians to assume defensive positions that are less protected from artillery, or that there is some other useful feature of the strategy that isn't immediately apparent.
This poster is being disingenuous. Obviously, russia recovers rust buckets. Obviously, those stats are documented, not just reported. I've seen so many of them I stopped even trying to verify after like 3000 tanks. Imagine keeping doing this and no losing your mind.
IDK about that, their forces seem to be being attrited at a slower pace than Russia. So given their international backing I suspect that Ukraine may well stick things out long enough that Russia may either suffer an internal collapse or their forces on the front may collapse and this situation of positional war will come to a close and maneuver warfare will recommence, and then the Ukrainians may win the war in the field.
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1.6tons of tnt ain't shit against a good trench network.
LMAO. Gaining air superiority is the first step of any succesful operation as far as every first-class military on the planet is concerned. As shocking as it sounds, nobody but you thinks that the poor substitutes inferior militaries need to resort to are preferrable solutions to be advocated for.
>Gaining air superiority is the first step of any succesful operation as far as every first-class military on the planet is concerned.
great, so every military is a first class military? We're talking about trench warfare generally in this thread, not how specifically the United States military would handle a specific set of trenches in Ukraine. Enjoy sitting around doing nothing while the enemy takes the initiative because you were waiting to gain air superiority. Also what the frick do you think the US would do if they failed to gain uncontested control of the air? Do you think they'd just give up? Combined arms isn't "sit back and let the airforce do everything".
I don't think Russia will have an internal collapse like was found in 1917. They have made a point of Gulaging and killing even the controlled opposition for the last 100 years. The hard-line Nationalists get the Gulag if they step out of line. Think about that. Those who think Russia should go harder at the Ukrainians get the same treatment as those who say Putin is a tyrant. Remember all those DPR and LPR leaders who died in elevators or otherwise disappeared? The common denominator is they represent a potential locus of influence which is not COMPLETELY contained and thus they get a Tokarov or a car bomb. Priggy gets mouthy and gets a missile in his command tent. He really did misread the terrain. He really did believe "if only the Tsar knew... He didn't even catch on to his true predicament after his abortive road trip. He gets on a plane. In Russia.
"You aren't getting executed because you said the wrong thing, you are getting executed because you thought about saying anything."
easy - I need iron, graphite, charcoal and salt water, that's the simplest battery setup, for more vigorous reaction and to flake off rust I would need acid, like vinegar or even human vomit would do (actually it might work even better)
>iron they likely have >graphite
Lol, hope you know how to make it
The issue isn't "I don't know how a generator works" it's do you know how to make thin insulated copper wire with ancient tools?
I'm an electrician and couldn't make shit because surprisingly electricians don't mine copper to make their own wires.
>thin copper wire
copper predates iron and was pretty common and easily accessible, much more accessible than iron >insulated
tar >graphite
mined, but I'll concede I don't know how specifically it is found, if they don't know then I won't be able to find it, but even a salt bridge with a copper wire will work in a pinch (to separate acid from metal) or if you want to be fancy - gold will do too since it won't be corroded
You can actually easily make a battery if you know necessary chemistry. A wide variety of metals and electrolytes can be used depending on what's needed.
>iron they likely have >graphite
Lol, hope you know how to make it
The issue isn't "I don't know how a generator works" it's do you know how to make thin insulated copper wire with ancient tools?
I'm an electrician and couldn't make shit because surprisingly electricians don't mine copper to make their own wires.
>256 is the ideal head count for phalanx >256 is the total numbers you can represent in unsigned 8 bit integer format
This number keeps popping up and I'm starting to wonder why.
Powers of 2. 256 would mean a 16x16 man phalanx, which is a sensible size to work with so each side is 2^4 men and the total is 2^8, and the 8 in 8 bit refers to 2^8.
>as a competent well funded military
Your planes get shot down 100km from the front and you have to resort to artillery assaults anyway, welcome to modern warfare b***h
>chinks and viets used the same against the US >China
Failed to expel UN forces and ended with less land in NK than they started with. >Vietnam
By every metric, was defeated on the battlefield.
Now sucks off Boomer investors in NY for beaucoup American bucks.
>Americans can’t think outside the box
Dude, it took russia like six months and a few BTG's to realize they can't do river crossings. Maybe don't throw stones in glass houses
>Turns out all it takes to defeat SEAD is a little bit of foliage cover
First off. If you did any cursory research into the war, you would know that US pilots were SPECIFICALLY told not to engage SAM sites for fear of killing the Soviet/Chink Operator and escalating. It was fricking moronic and the politicians that decided that should've been shot for treason.
Second, the Concept of SEAD wasn't even thought of yet since SAMs were pretty new back then. They were learning on the spot, and it must've been a lesson they didn't forget since the US has had Air Supremacy in every war they've been in since.
Prior to Operation Rolling Thunder and the implementation of Wild Weasel NV SA-2 missiles averaged one hit per thirteen launches, by the end of Rolling Thunder it averaged one hit per forty-eight launches. By the end of Linebacker III it averaged one hit per sixty-eight launches. So yes, it worked quite well in Vietnam.
thirdie standards for victory: >westerners endure 3c higher postage and handling on funko pops due to higher insurance premiums for boats
burger standards for victory >routing the enemy army, hanging their dictator after a show trial and setting up a replacement state that still stands 20 years later counts as a loss because iraq didn't magically turn into vermont
Could you not read the "as intended for the initial invasion" part of rhe graph you dumb moron. It was pretty clear. There were other graphs with stockpiles included too.
Assuming you cannot simply airforce the problem away, you must go around or break through and encircle them, then either roll up the line or starve them out.
Lots of explody things.
Air power and bulldozer blades, like in the first Gulf War
>as a competent well funded military
Air support
>as a competent under funded military
Arty
>as Russia
Over the top comrades
>>as Russia
>Over the top comrades
Russian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russian killed and does not include wounded
30.03.2024
Tanks — 6951 (+29)
Armored fighting vehicle — 13284 (+20)
Artillery systems — 11006 (+15)
MLRS — 1023
Anti-aircraft warfare — 736 (+1)
Planes — 347
Helicopters — 325
UAV — 8701 (+45)
Cruise missiles — 2046 (+24)
Ships (boats) — 26
Submarines — 1
Trucks and fuel tankers — 14670 (+25)
Special equipment — 1814 (+7)
Military personnel — aprx. 441520 people (+730)
29 tanks, that's a decent number gonna hit 7k in just 2-3 days at this rate.
>29 Tanks
Jesus christ.
I suppose the only fitting category for golf carts is Special equipment.
nah, special equipment is for EW, radars, comm nodes, etc. Golf carts are probably being put under the 'vehicles and fuel tanks' section if they're being put anywhere.
>Military personnel — aprx. 441520 people (+730)
people (+730)
>people
What are those numbers? Who counted that? Oryx got very different stats
>Oryx got very different stats
Wow
We got to the point that you don't even mention the source
>as a competent well funded military
Your planes get shot down 100km from the front and you have to resort to artillery assaults anyway, welcome to modern warfare b***h
>he doesn’t know about SEAD
Lmao. Dude, not every country has a military that is as poor and incompetent as the Russian military.
SEAD isn't always practical/possible to accomplish within the time frame you have to accomplish your operation within. It also isn't guaranteed to work. If your enemy has planes of their own and a relatively good air defense network they can make SEAD/DEAD operations so difficult and costly that they might be taken off the table even if they are possible.
>not every country has a military that is as poor and incompetent as the Russian military.
As shocking as it sounds, most countries are worse than Russia.
LMAO. Gaining air superiority is the first step of any succesful operation as far as every first-class military on the planet is concerned. As shocking as it sounds, nobody but you thinks that the poor substitutes inferior militaries need to resort to are preferrable solutions to be advocated for.
>As shocking as it sounds, most countries are worse than Russia.
Unfortunately for Russia, fricking UKRAINE doesn't seem to be one of them.
>Your planes get shot down 100km from the front
*Laughs in SEAD*
Welcome to first world warfare, thirdie b***h.
tunnels
By sending waves of "sheep".
Good interview, got the sauce?
It's mostly in Polish tho, only seen that one fragment translated into english on xitter.
Thanks
man the interviewer is asking the dumbest questions he could
True, from what I understand he's more skilled in doing interviews with dumb politicians and activists.
https://www.rmf24.pl/tylko-w-rmf24/poranna-rozmowa/news-polak-walczacy-w-ukrainie-nie-bronie-ziemi-ukrainskiej-broni,nId,7418242#crp_state=1
text form, run it through translator or something.
That's a tactic as old as war itself
The young and dumb go first and the experienced veterans finish the job
and people wonder how the French manage to retain an old guard during the Napoleonic Wars.
It really is.
Key now is to keep enough cluster munitions in reserve to greet those veterans properly when they do finally appear.
>The army's launching an offensive and we're gonna be the first ones to go in.
>Haven't they got guys who are specially trained for that?
>We're going in before them. They're too expensive to waste.
Still the best Battlefield Campaign.
If it were up to me, napalm
Few gun runs and napalm drops ought to sort that right out
You gain air superiority and then just strafe them up and down
And what if you can't? Wars over then I guess?
Smoke, water and killdozer.
>only attack the edges
>then just walk around
no one is complaining. it's just a cruel, cynical and inhumane tactic, for all the "sheep" and "roosters" used as fodder. They wouldn't have to wage war in such a primitive and self-destructive way if they were smarter and less psychopathic
It seems that most vehicles are taken out by low calibre artillery and shrapnel.
What we need to do is create some sort of land battleship to...
I take 100 artillery tubes and fire 100 rounds from each with the last three being smoke rounds, I send in the infantry just before the HE rounds are depleted so when the smokes start coming they just rush in. In case of mines they bring bangalores.
I've got a call for you on line 3 anon, the No Shells department would like a word with you.
Tell em to go FRICK themselves
Engineers should bring these back, pack them with more explosive or thermobaric and just spam them into trenches.
they already tried that by turning MTLBs and old tanks into VBIEDs last year and they stopped for a reason.
glide bombs and artillery are much cheaper, effective, resource-efficient and harder to stop
>Sending hundreds of your men to die to figure out where stuff is
>instead of using drones for spotting like the Ukies' been doing
it's only a valid strategy if you're legitimately too stupid or too dysfunctional to do anything else. It's a strategy of last resort and shows how monumentally stupid the Russians are for starting this war in the first place.
>it's only a valid strategy if you're legitimately too stupid or too dysfunctional to do anything else.
Or the electromagnetic spectrum is so heavily jammed and the airspace so thick with flak that drones are unable to actually provide valuable intel. Drones aren't the answer to everything buddy.
>Or the electromagnetic spectrum is so heavily jammed and the airspace so thick with flak that drones are unable to actually provide valuable intel.
I don't think i've seen anything like that so far in this war. Might be possible i suppose, but not that likely. Besides, there's half a dozen reconnaissance methods that don't involve throwing meatwaves at the enemy.
>Drones aren't the answer to everything buddy.
And i don't claim that they are. Just that, in this case, they're probably a better solution than what Russia currently employs.
>I don't think i've seen anything like that so far in this war.
I was speaking hypothetically, of course that hasn't happened yet. But I strongly suspect that sort of thing being the norm on front lines isn't far off.
>they're probably a better solution than what Russia currently employs.
There are lots of better solutions than what Russia currently employs to lots of problems they face, but there are typically reasons that they don't. Those reasons range from lacking the capability to lacking the resources to just being a pack of illiterate morons led by a chimpanzee. I suspect that they do use drones as part of those probing attacks, but in smaller numbers than the Ukrainians. It's easier to spot where the enemy is when they are engaged, even when you have drone. Also the use of cannon fodder like that probably forces the Ukrainians to assume defensive positions that are less protected from artillery, or that there is some other useful feature of the strategy that isn't immediately apparent.
>complaining
They aren't complaining, they are confused, shocked and horrified by the lack of basic tactics and disregard for "human" life
fire
Give a free green card to each zigger deserter.
Get yourself a wristband that says "WWDBMD?"
Then every time you glance down, ask yourself, "What would Durchbruchmüller do?"
This poster is being disingenuous. Obviously, russia recovers rust buckets. Obviously, those stats are documented, not just reported. I've seen so many of them I stopped even trying to verify after like 3000 tanks. Imagine keeping doing this and no losing your mind.
élan and attaque à outrance
Tanks and gas and planes and shit.
Having an Airforce
Gliding bombs. Lots of them
IDK about that, their forces seem to be being attrited at a slower pace than Russia. So given their international backing I suspect that Ukraine may well stick things out long enough that Russia may either suffer an internal collapse or their forces on the front may collapse and this situation of positional war will come to a close and maneuver warfare will recommence, and then the Ukrainians may win the war in the field.
1.6tons of tnt ain't shit against a good trench network.
>Gaining air superiority is the first step of any succesful operation as far as every first-class military on the planet is concerned.
great, so every military is a first class military? We're talking about trench warfare generally in this thread, not how specifically the United States military would handle a specific set of trenches in Ukraine. Enjoy sitting around doing nothing while the enemy takes the initiative because you were waiting to gain air superiority. Also what the frick do you think the US would do if they failed to gain uncontested control of the air? Do you think they'd just give up? Combined arms isn't "sit back and let the airforce do everything".
I don't think Russia will have an internal collapse like was found in 1917. They have made a point of Gulaging and killing even the controlled opposition for the last 100 years. The hard-line Nationalists get the Gulag if they step out of line. Think about that. Those who think Russia should go harder at the Ukrainians get the same treatment as those who say Putin is a tyrant. Remember all those DPR and LPR leaders who died in elevators or otherwise disappeared? The common denominator is they represent a potential locus of influence which is not COMPLETELY contained and thus they get a Tokarov or a car bomb. Priggy gets mouthy and gets a missile in his command tent. He really did misread the terrain. He really did believe "if only the Tsar knew... He didn't even catch on to his true predicament after his abortive road trip. He gets on a plane. In Russia.
"You aren't getting executed because you said the wrong thing, you are getting executed because you thought about saying anything."
Ricin, Soman, Sarin, Cyclosarin, VX
easy - I need iron, graphite, charcoal and salt water, that's the simplest battery setup, for more vigorous reaction and to flake off rust I would need acid, like vinegar or even human vomit would do (actually it might work even better)
>iron they likely have
>graphite
Lol, hope you know how to make it
The issue isn't "I don't know how a generator works" it's do you know how to make thin insulated copper wire with ancient tools?
I'm an electrician and couldn't make shit because surprisingly electricians don't mine copper to make their own wires.
>thin copper wire
copper predates iron and was pretty common and easily accessible, much more accessible than iron
>insulated
tar
>graphite
mined, but I'll concede I don't know how specifically it is found, if they don't know then I won't be able to find it, but even a salt bridge with a copper wire will work in a pinch (to separate acid from metal) or if you want to be fancy - gold will do too since it won't be corroded
You can actually easily make a battery if you know necessary chemistry. A wide variety of metals and electrolytes can be used depending on what's needed.
meant for
>How do you win agaisnt these?
>256 is the ideal head count for phalanx
>256 is the total numbers you can represent in unsigned 8 bit integer format
This number keeps popping up and I'm starting to wonder why.
Powers of 2. 256 would mean a 16x16 man phalanx, which is a sensible size to work with so each side is 2^4 men and the total is 2^8, and the 8 in 8 bit refers to 2^8.
You mean the number tanks estimated to have been initially set aside for the invasion, to which Russia has continuously been deploying more?
>chinks and viets used the same against the US
>China
Failed to expel UN forces and ended with less land in NK than they started with.
>Vietnam
By every metric, was defeated on the battlefield.
Now sucks off Boomer investors in NY for beaucoup American bucks.
Dig underground tunnels to the enemy side
Aerial bombs appear to be the most effective way,
>Americans can’t think outside the box
Dude, it took russia like six months and a few BTG's to realize they can't do river crossings. Maybe don't throw stones in glass houses
1. Get in a plane
2. Fly over the trench
3. Blow up the trains supplying food and ammo to the trench
>Turns out all it takes to defeat SEAD is a little bit of foliage cover
First off. If you did any cursory research into the war, you would know that US pilots were SPECIFICALLY told not to engage SAM sites for fear of killing the Soviet/Chink Operator and escalating. It was fricking moronic and the politicians that decided that should've been shot for treason.
Second, the Concept of SEAD wasn't even thought of yet since SAMs were pretty new back then. They were learning on the spot, and it must've been a lesson they didn't forget since the US has had Air Supremacy in every war they've been in since.
If you're gonna be a sperg at least be funny.
>Verification not required.
Prior to Operation Rolling Thunder and the implementation of Wild Weasel NV SA-2 missiles averaged one hit per thirteen launches, by the end of Rolling Thunder it averaged one hit per forty-eight launches. By the end of Linebacker III it averaged one hit per sixty-eight launches. So yes, it worked quite well in Vietnam.
>US hasn’t won a war in nearly 40 years friend
Some of you Black folk tell me the US hasn't won a war since WW2 now which is it?
thirdie standards for victory:
>westerners endure 3c higher postage and handling on funko pops due to higher insurance premiums for boats
burger standards for victory
>routing the enemy army, hanging their dictator after a show trial and setting up a replacement state that still stands 20 years later counts as a loss because iraq didn't magically turn into vermont
it's easy to see why burgers always lose
actually this. if win $1000 on a scratch-off my life does not measurably change, but if a turdie finds a $50 bill it's a fricking windfall.
>Desert Storm
>Afghanistan
Lying zigger vermin.
just accept that it's over.
Gas
Napalm
All the banned stuff.
Could you not read the "as intended for the initial invasion" part of rhe graph you dumb moron. It was pretty clear. There were other graphs with stockpiles included too.
Having an air force works a treat.
Assuming you cannot simply airforce the problem away, you must go around or break through and encircle them, then either roll up the line or starve them out.