THE TRUTH BEHIND 6.8x51

Since it's obvious the US isn't going to be facing any near peer human threat anytime soon, what was the true purpose behind developing this cartrige?
Skinwalker population control?
Penetrating Ayy carapace?
Use against the transdimensional demon hives that are infesting D.U.M.B.s around the globe?
The upcoming war against the Pigmutant people responsible for releasing the Pigger Plague upon the US Southwest?

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Internal security, aka the "Domestic war on Terror".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If it doesn't penetrate armor any better than normal 5.56 or 7.62, why does it matter?

      5.56 or 7.62 is going to be just as good at killing under-equipped white people as 6.8x51.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's still a single round in your infantry units for your average rifleman, a DMR, and the squad L/GPMG. That does simplify logistics quite a bit even if it's just cutting things down from 2 primary rounds to 1. You'll probably still need .50 or whatever eventually takes the role of .50 for the HMG, but it's still one less headache.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          SOCOM seems to like the .338 MG as it's light at only 24lbs, but packs as much punch as a .50 cal against soft targets while being a lot more manageable recoil, weight, and you can lug around more ammo because it is smaller.

          Also effective to roughly the same range ~1500-1800 meters effective and over 5000 maximum range.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            SOCOM doesn't have the M250 yet. Once they get that bitch, it will be all they use. A .338MG is better used on a tripod.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're not using the .338 as an LMG, it's a crewed weapon with a tripod.

              Just like the M2 isn't an LMG, it's a crewed (or vehicle mounted) HMG.

              I'm suggesting the .338 MG replace the crewed M240/M2 machine gun role. As it's more effective than 7.62, just as effective as .50 cal against people, and all around better.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >not using the LWMMG as an LMG
                they're not, but at the same time it's definitely not intended to be used only on vehicles or on a tripod

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >.338 MG replace the crewed M240/M2 machine gun role
                I think the M240 will stay only as a mounted weapon, but it eventually will be rechambered for 6.8mm. The M2 will also stay as a mounted weapon because there's no substitute for a 50cal when you need to shoot an armored car. The M250 will definitely be the gun to replace the m240 in the field.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They're not using the .338 as an LMG, it's a crewed weapon with a tripod.

              Just like the M2 isn't an LMG, it's a crewed (or vehicle mounted) HMG.

              I'm suggesting the .338 MG replace the crewed M240/M2 machine gun role. As it's more effective than 7.62, just as effective as .50 cal against people, and all around better.

              While saying as effective against soft targets might be so, a big part of what makes the 50 so nice is its also quite good against a lot of lightly armored vehicles and will defeat almost all armor worn by people without exotic ammo.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That might've been true for the last 60 years, but it's less true today.

                Targets are often armored up specifically to beat the M2 these days because it has been the US defacto for so long. So armor that can beat .50 cal is kinda necessary for any armored vehicle to be worthwhile.

                I'd rather .338 replace the M2 and M240 against soft targets and then a larger caliber like 14-18mm for fuckin up lightly armored targets and lightly reinforced structures.

                The .50BMG has done well for its age, but it's kinda too big for anti-infantry MG duties and too light for anti-armor MG duties.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Raufouss can defeat much of what m2 can't with vehicle light armor, not to mention SLAP which will defeat almost anything in that category.
                And yes, while it's true that more is rated for common m2 steelcore vehicle wise these days, it's equally true for the 338, which has significantly less anti material potential even with specialty rounds.

                I agree with you it would be cool to see them move to a larger HM and use 338 to replace 240.. I just don't think it would be good to do away with the 50 for the 338.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >That does simplify logistics quite a bit
          Wut.
          It's still issued in two forms: loose rounds for mags, and belted rounds for MGs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's better than having to deal with those 2 forms of ammo multiplied by 2, for 5.56mm and 7.62mm. However, we aren't even ditching either of those rounds so 6.8mm is increasing the logistical chain in reality.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Almost every time the "simplify logistics" thing gets tried it ends up creating more complexity as it becomes clear that "best of both worlds" are always trade-offs with associated problem to deal with.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because the second you see an underequipped white person you're going to run 800 meters away

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          wouldn't they just be 800m away to begin with since they have le super powered battlefield 3 dorito target marking scope

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't pen level iv that all militaries use
      >pens all the level iii+ and special threat plates tactitards have been buying
      Big think

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this guy gets it.
      >supply share is now flat out impossible.
      >pens all plates available to civilians. secret sauce ceradyne 50 Cal plates are getting a production bump
      >civvie ownership and employment of nods increases
      >ivas rolled out
      when you have no one to play chess with, you play against yourself. the problem with this is that no matter what, you're going to lose.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because even Gyna-made pressed cardboard can stop 5.56

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Because even Gyna-made pressed cardboard can stop 5.56
      Impressive considering they only designed it to stop x39.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hey this is the USA. we always have a war going on or just around the corner. money is no object. there are no such things as limits.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Capitalism demands novelty despite the lack of necessity.

    See also the 8.6 blackout.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    shooting trump supporters, unironically

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      don’t get people’s hopes up

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you must've taken a wrong turn somewhere, bunkerchan chud

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah sure thing tourist

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            classic cheap projection tactic by a brainless leftist, you will never change board culture, PrepHole has always leaned conservative and always will, you're nothing but a nuisance, like a noisy and loud sparrow who won't stop chirping, you will achieve nothing, the politicians you vote for will always have you disarmed, you will always be an irrelevant minority, get a trip so we'll have something else to call you other than bunkerchan chud

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Wow what a dumb fucking arrangement of words

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          classic cheap projection tactic by a brainless leftist, you will never change board culture, PrepHole has always leaned conservative and always will, you're nothing but a nuisance, like a noisy and loud sparrow who won't stop chirping, you will achieve nothing, the politicians you vote for will always have you disarmed, you will always be an irrelevant minority, get a trip so we'll have something else to call you other than bunkerchan chud

          Trump was an anti-gun pussy and you are either too terminally online or too psyopped to see that.
          It's not 2016 retard, there's no pro-Trump board culture to speak of after he went full retard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Trump was an anti-gun pussy
            AHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH more of your ridiculous talking points, you need to update your script it's been stale as fuck since the end of his first year in office

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The judges he appointed were pro gun, and now we are cock smacking the gun grabbers.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it was designed to defeat american armor

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I forgot how little real discussion happens here anymore. Guess I'll head over to Janes or Reddit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      See you tomkrrke.

      You fan never lesve.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This entire thread is a train wreck but here I go.

    >Overmatch memes
    >To make Sig a fuck ton of money

    It has nothing to do with armor penetration. It is a bad idea to move away from an intermediate cartridge and an even worse idea to go with the least weight saving option out of the “competition”

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's designed to drive up the price of 5.56 by making it so they can't just make more than the government wants on the same tooling setup anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      huh?
      The 5.56 production lines aren't being shut down or downsized. They're building an entirely new building for the 6.8x51 production.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Once the military entirely phases out 5.56 they will be

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Which is ~15+ years away at the earliest.

          Why panic now?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            15 years goes faster than you think

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              We’ll all be long dead before then

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i was saying that in 2005, my old ass is still here and so is everyone else

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I was here in 05 too, but the situation wasn’t nearly as dire

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lake City will always make 5.56 for allied nations.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Until the rest of NATO begrudgingly adopts and standardizes on 6.8x51, only for the US to swap to another smaller caliber similar to, but different from 5.56x45

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              5.7x28 chads just keep winning

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Too standard we need something new, something that won't work on anything with a current NATO NSN that can be rechambered into a new cartridge.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      huh?
      The 5.56 production lines aren't being shut down or downsized. They're building an entirely new building for the 6.8x51 production.

      Once the military entirely phases out 5.56 they will be

      Which is ~15+ years away at the earliest.

      Why panic now?

      15 years goes faster than you think

      The total, decade-long order for M5s is 107,000 rifles
      That's an almost absurdly tiny number, how many M4s are clattering around?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >how many M4s are clattering around?

        probably 1m+

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >130 gr at 3000 fps
    they wanted to take the .270pill but had to make a whole new cartridge

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>130 gr at 3000 fps
      >they wanted to take the .270pill but had to make a whole new cartridge
      .270 130gr is 3000fps from a 24" barrel.

      .277 fury 135gr is 3000fps from a 16" barrel.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Show me the sources

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is pretty easy to look up, they even used to have it for sale and you could see the velocity numbers listed on their site.
          https://www.tactical-life.com/gear/ammo/277-sig-fury-hybrid-case-design/
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.277_Fury

          The thing that a lot of people miss though is that the 3000 FPS number is from a 16" barrel, and the NGSW rifle is only a 13" barrel (+suppressor). GT chronographed the 135 gr hybrid rounds at approximately ~2830 FPS.

          Sig reps have made some offhanded informal comments that the military rounds are supposed to be hotter but exactly how much, or whether that's even true, remains to be seen.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're missing the big picture. There's images coming out of ukraine of body armor that stopped multiple 5.45mm rounds. Granted the armor was western supplied to the Ukrainian side, but the fact that it works so effectively means that not having a counter to it is just asking for trouble.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This isn’t exactly news, we knew plates could stop rounds far more powerful than 5.45 well before the invasion.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      6.8x51 isn't armor piercing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A lead slug isn't armor piercing. But a copper slug is.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No it isn’t

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Shotgun slugs are bad at penetrating armor specifically because they're moving too slow.
          The way to counter that inherent weakness is by material and by design. Very few attempts have been successful and the ones that have been required extensive (and costly) prototyping.
          I haven't seen any copper slugs defeat even pistol rated armor (NIJ 3A), but there was a prototype slug made of solid brass that did very good recently.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We are literally going to fight China soon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I believe in the pig mutants more than china being a near peer threat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        on manufacturing capacity alone you should take them seriously

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You forget that nothing ever happens

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        People said that before Pearl Harbor too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Pearl Harbor was a false flag

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          20 years after WW1 people were saying nothing ever happens kek

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >make psycho overpressure round
    >BuT iT dOeSn’T PeN LeVeL IV!
    >you don’t know, they aren’t showing us any data on the hot rounds, plus the blunt force trauma will likely liquify your organs
    >BuT yOu’Re CaRrYiNg LeSs AmMo
    >yes but you gain the AimBot(tm) rifle scope that makes the average crayon eating retard a semi-competent marksman
    >BuT iT’a HeAvY
    >lift weights gay

    All that said it’s probably for the DWOT but whatever

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's no DWOT and there never will be.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        tell that to Dark Brandon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Tell it to Trump. No leader as divisive as him will be elected again and if he couldn't start a civil war over some contrived nonsense, nobody will.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Holy fucking underaged

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Oh great, you're posting pol images now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm directly addressing your UNBELIEVABLY retarded "no President will ever be as divisive as Trump" shitpost.

                You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
                You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
                You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No leader as divisive as him will be elected again
                lmao, dream on, redditor

                Trump was an anomaly that both political parties are keen on making sure never happens again. The public, too, has had enough of it. You guys are dreaming if you think there will be another Trump.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are so fucking underaged that you've never seen another president before. You didn't see Bushitler kill a million innocent Iraqis. You didn't see Obama hand trillions to pharma and banking while arming Mexican cartels. You didn't see Clinton ban half the guns in the country then incinerate children and shoot pregnant women to enforce it. Godamn, half a century later and there's still seething over Nixon.

                THAT'S why I'm saying you're an incredibly stupid shortsighted underaged fucking asshole who knows absolutely nothing and should shut the fuck up forever.

                Shut the fuck up, forever.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i was very surprised to find out nixon was a good natured and sane politician, just a very meek and awkward person
                i wasn't alive to see him in action but all the media seething had me assume he was gigahitler 9000

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He was the last good president, and had he not been caught at Watergate he would be extremely fondly remembered. Carter began the downward spiral of America, Reagan continued it with good intentions but really fucked up with opening the immigration floodgates. The death nail was letting China into the WTO in the 90's and sending all the west's mid-level manufacturing over there as well as a small contested island whose government isn't even represented in the UN.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You sound like you just time travelled from the 90s. America was fine until 9/11.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You know what else I didn't see? Bush or Nixon triggering country wide race riots. Bush or Nixon supporters storming capitol buildings. Nobody saw that because nobody was radicalised on the level that Trump managed to achieved. He was special, one in a trillion, and it's not going to happen again.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Now even I think you're a moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >even I
                Oh no, some kid disagrees with me. Whatever shall I do?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                respond angrily

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How the fuck are you calling anyone else "some kid" when 2016 is clearly literally the only presidency you've ever been aware of in your lifetime

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >there were no race riots or attacks on the Capitol before Trump
                Yep, it's bait

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >capitol bombing 1971
                Oh yeah man, the 3 guys who got their jimmies rustled over the invasion of Laos sure does equate to the thousands who marched on the capital and the 882 people who were criminally charged.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yep bait

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It always makes me chuckle when people pretend that 2020 was this historic year in terms of political turbulence and crime when from the end of WW2 right up into the 80s you had actual radical terrorist groups running around western countries assassinating people and bombing buildings and fighting it out with other terror groups(granted it was worse in Europe than America) and then the 80s and 90s had the worst crime rates this country has ever seen to the point a bad year like 2020 was still better than a good year in the 90s

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                b-b-but drumpf! the news said school shootings are happening daily! I-i saw them storm the capitol!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Back then it was like 10 crazy people. In 2020 it was millions.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                oh. so you are fucking retarded.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Susan Rosenberg was not convicted of bombing the capitol building. You really aught to to stop getting your history from twitter screenshots.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                based deboonker

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                holy fucking SHIT WHAT?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Still up on their page lol, don't even need an old revision archive
                https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Timmy Mac dinduffin

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                As your own pol image says, Susan never actually bombed the capitol building, despite being involved with the people who did it. She merely had lots of weapons, which is something that can be said of many people on PrepHole.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >just hundreds of pounds of explosives which would get the rest of us 1000 years of pound me in the ass prison

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Susan never actually bombed the capitol building, despite being involved with the people who did it
                That's like saying Osama Bin Laden's son never took part in the WTC attacks, despite being a part of Al Qaeda. The difference is irrelevant. She was and still is a terrorist.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If someone is in a crevice and you pull up a ladder so that they have no way of escaping is that murder?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Did you intend that result?

                Did you remove the ladder to imprison them with the intent of getting them later?

                It's still bad either way but were you malicious or negligent?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the statement that Susan Rosenberg is a convicted terrorist is not true because
                >despite being convicted for illegal firearm possession and possession of hundreds of pounds of explosives while being part of a group that actively bombs US government buildings, the term "terrorist" is subject to personal interpretation.

                my good man what in the actual fuck am I reading?
                also based domestic government building bomber

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >berg
                every
                single
                time

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you stupid motherfucker, she received a fucking presidential pardon, after being convicted of weapons charges BECAUSE SHE WAS ON THE FUCKING RUN FOR TWO YEARS AFTER HAVING BOMBED THE FUCKING CAPITOL YOU FUCKING CUM GUZZLING moron LICKING SHIT STAIN.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure those 750 pounds of explosive she was arrested with were for sporting purposes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes look at what he made them do. They crazy part is the hypocrisy of you and other leftist denying them agency. I will pray for us both.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no race riots under Bush or Nixon
                You are retarded. You must leave this place. Begone moron

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Trump wasnt the flood, he was the dam.

                Populism and the sentiment behind it doesn't go away becase you kicked some NY billionare off of twitter

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This, gas was cheap, food was cheap and people weren't trying to turn my kid into a transvestite made of white guilt.
                Sure, the man acts like a boar, but at least he didn't roll out the red carpet for the homosexuals and rabid hedonism.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No leader as divisive as him will be elected again
            lmao, dream on, redditor

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            moron are you full retarded?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Go back

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Being armed to the teeth is the only reason it hasnt happened. Give them a narrow January insurrection to go after and you bet theyd go hard in the paint.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >blunt force trauma
      lol
      >AimBot(tm) rifle scope
      lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>lift weights gay
      PrepHole honestly need to take this advice to heart tho. I got a feeling sometimes that 99% of this board's population is either comprised of fat fucks or those skinny-ass school shooter types who wince whenever they fire 45 ACP. Neve rmind that every single thread about new 556 rifles inevitably devolve into everyone complaining about it being 1 ounce heavier than an unloaded M4 or some such shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >liquify your organs
      RETARD ALERT!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you don’t know, they aren’t showing us any data on the hot rounds
      We have plates that can stop .30 162 gr hardened steel core rounds traveling at 3300-3600+ feet per second.

      We know that the existent .277 Fury hybrid 135 gr rounds achieve ~2830 FPS from a 13" barrel. We can make a reasonable guess that the military rounds may be slightly hotter, but are unlikely to be vastly more powerful.

      Even if we were to be very generous and assume the military spec loading is something like a 135 gr bullet @3000 FPS, it would still be over 300 FPS short of the mark required to penetrate some level IV plates, assuming this 135 gr steel core bullet actually achieves equal armor penetration to a 162 gr steel core bullet at equal velocities. And if we were to assume this 135 gr bullet were actually 200 FPS better than M2 AP, it would STILL fall over 100 FPS short. No we don't have "hard evidence" of this but you can make a likely prediction from existing information and common sense. Otherwise if any random guess pulled out of your ass is just as good then we might as well say it explodes like a 20mm HE shell and call that equally probable.

      And there are like 2 documented human fatalities from blunt force trauma caused by rounds hitting body armor, both cases where the bullet in question vastly exceeded the armor's threat profile.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >b-b-b-bb-but magic boolet
        This post will be ignored by ngswiggers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's a commercially available plate that's rated to stop M993 at 3100 fps and Swiss P AP as well. To get around that sort of thing, the military will need to go back to the OICW's 20mm airburst munition. 6.8mm at any reasonable velocity isn't going to cut it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you talking about the Adept Armor Colossus? Yep, if that plate does what it says it does it looks like it’ll be a winner. The company’s even stated they think it’ll protect against the super special 6.8 tungsten rounds that the average grunt will probably never receive.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah. And, like you were saying, all plates, except maybe for certain Hescos, seem to have margins of safety built in. So something stronger than .30-06 AP M2 won't necessarily penetrate even the average Level IV plate.
            Time to aim for the groin, re-evaluate airburst munitions, etc.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    chud hunting season?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Army is pathologically obsessed with this idea of overmatch and this imaginary war in where the majority of the enemy infantry is gonna be wearing body armor with protection levels better level III.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    US civilians buy a shit ton of cheap rifle plates from China that stop 556.
    Ergo China has a shit ton of cheap rifle plates that can stop 556.

    If US citizens act up, they can get holes poked in their plates.
    If China acts up, they can get holes poked in their plates.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you think the PLA gets free plates whenever US importers purchase them in bulk?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Other way around, chinks don't get plates because some fat LARPer in Mississippi is playing with them instead

        It's an open secret that Botach for instance is all "diverted PLA goods"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It's an open secret that Botach for instance is all "diverted PLA goods"
          Do you think they can divert some QBZ-95 A1s for us? I don't give a shit if it sucks, it just looks so cool and I want one really bad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this is why Norinco got import banned and it will never not be funny to me, because the Chinese never actually say no where money is involved. if you email someone in China right now, who has access to them, I guarantee that they'll send you rifles, if you'll pay. they don't give a fuck.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              If only we could get Xi Jinping out and put someone like Wen Jiabao as Chairman...

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To create the shortest barrel life possible as an excuse for the military industrial complex to take more of your tax dollars.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    6.8 was developed to blow out Decepticon eye circuts more effectively than 5.56

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Id be willing to bet more US citizens privately own Lv4 plates than the entire Russian army.

    Always be ready to fight the next war. If that means US citizens then so be it.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >6.8x51
    I think this round will be used against US civilians. However, I'd like to thought experiment how this might work against non-human hostiles.

    I now call upon paranormal ballistic adepts throughout the k universe to contribute wisdom.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Blowout soon, fren.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sucks. you want big bores. how else are you supposed to stuff whatever you need into the bullet or inscribe sigils onto a tiny ass needle round? 45 super, 45-70, 50 beo. that's more what you want.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's the lie about NGSW, the original bids were in regards to extending effective combat range. The idea of shoehorning it to this mystical armor penetrating role came later on in the programs development. The program was always about shooting accurately at long ranges in A-Stan, because that is the context that the brass had been familiar with by that point. Ignoring that conflict tapering down, they still went ahead with it and then made the AP reasoning after.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it's obvious the US isn't going to be facing any near peer human threat anytime soon
    to fight the ayys

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Since it's obvious the US isn't going to be facing any near peer human threat anytime soon

    Keep telling yourself that, mutt

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post country of origin

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Republic of India, muttazoid.

        Our time is coming, you just see and look.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What a relief, I thought you’d be Russian. Now I know I don’t need to worry about getting our toilets stolen.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To feed the MIC until we need it again.

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