The gas pipe blew from the inside.
https://twitter.com/SubBrief/status/1582350061261840386
It WAS Russians. It was "the service vehicle" bomb.
The gas pipe blew from the inside.
https://twitter.com/SubBrief/status/1582350061261840386
It WAS Russians. It was "the service vehicle" bomb.
outside of /leftypol/, /chug/ and random brown people with twitter checkmarks, no one believed for a moment the US blew the pipeline
I thought it was Americans. I thought they did it help Europe avoid temptation and stay strong in the face of the enemy.
And left NS2 intact?
Both are blown m8.
>https://twitter.com/SubBrief/status/1582350061261840386
one tube of NS2 is intact isnt it?
1 pipe is indeed intact ant Putin has already said that he will gladly send gas through it to supply Europe.
This was all a ploy to open NS2, luckily Europe told him to go frick himself.
By having a single pipe active, the risk of shenanigans ("oops, have to switch it off for a bit, between the 10th and 31st of January, you won't mind, right?") also increases. Which is on-point with the Stalinist concept of returning with a worse deal if the first is refused.
The Germans would have to be giga-brainlet tier to get anywhere near that tarpit.
That would be a moronic move of diplomacy and would damage Euro-US ties. Don’t forget it’s an European piece of infrastructure.
It was Putin 100%. Fits nice in line with his history of macho posturing, and blowing up European infrastructure is a new step on the escalation ladder and a warning that the rest of the infrastructure there is also vulnerable.
To some extent it also brings the commercial sector of Gazprom back under control. Putin was frustrated with them going 'cant break contract' earlier in the war when he wanted to force the issue of paying in rubles so that decision has been taken out of their hands. They have to sell gas to whoever and however Putin wants it to be sold.
A lot of them also had heart attacks and fell out of windows, so as far as he's concerned the issue's settled and no longer relevant to his other efforts
Now, anyone left is sort of hitched by force to doing stuff for the Russian state, regardless of international obligations and contracts they may have had, sort of the downside of having a psycho boss. Sometimes you get the old chop chop literally just doing your job
>European piece of infrastructure
Its Russian which is why not a single european country cared
>I thought they did it help Europe avoid temptation
All it takes is one guilt-ridden Edward Snowden-type, and the entire plan backfires. It would unironically piss off Europe and bring them closer to Russia. The risk of the subterfuge is too high for the paltry reward of getting Europe to hate every fiber of Russia's existence just a tiny smidgen more than they already did.
> We're the CIA, something always goes wrong
>It would unironically piss off Europe and bring them closer to Russia
>this is your brain on Russia Today and TASS
>the only thing that can bring me closer to russia is a second sun in Moscow
Yeah, exactly. There's no reason, then, to do something as slimy and under-handed as destroy European infrastructure in a false-flag attack. But you and I both know that, if it really were the US that did it, there are a bunch of fifth columnists that would gladly use this to screech that "Uh-'Murrica baaAaAad" - and this one time they'd be surprisingly vindicated. Therefore, all the three-letter agencies have no reason to act this stupid.
>bring them closer to Russia
the only thing that can bring me closer to russia is a second sun in Moscow
Anon the potential blowback if it ever came out that it was the US was reason enough for it not to be them
Eh, they mostly already reached their goal in the shutdown with there being no German government anytime soon to restart it. The shutdown is supported by pretty much all major party except the fringe ones.
It would have been "too high of a risk for no reward" type move by trying to attack Germany, a NATO partner and ending up being discovered.
Why? Euros absolutely hate Russians and that is obvious at pretty much every level and every political party in Europe. It being destroyed is good for Putin, however, because nobody can kill him and start selling gas to Europe again.
> Euros absolutely hate Russians
> Euros hate cheap resources and fat bribes for decades
> Euros hate a good market for pretty much everything
> Euros hate paying tourists
You're a fricking lunatic.
It's all usa agenda from the get go. That's why they deliver 90% of the weapons in Ukraine. It's their war with cheap ukrainian cannon fodder.
Holy shit, an intelligent post in this thread.
>Holy shit, an intelligent post in this thread.
Holy Shit!
Holy Shit!
Holy Shit!
>Euros absolutely hate Russians
Eastern euros? You bet.
This war has proven them right after decades of western euros not seeing a big deal doing business with Russia and thinking that poles or baltics were just butthurt for no reason.
Even fricking german greens are 100% into supporting Ukraine now. Only commie or fascist parties support Russia in the EU, and even those have toned down their rethoric once they're seeing Russia losing the war.
> Eastern euros? You bet.
Frick off. I'm eastern euro myself. It's literally the politicians who live on western "eurofunds" who screech against Russia. Normal folks are either pro-russia (majority) or anti-russia based on official propaganda. With the exception of polacks, ofc.
Lol, sure gay.
Czechs are absolutely majority pro-Russian.
Hungary is the most brainwashed country in Europe and even there Orban had to pretend to have seen the light to eke out an electoral win.
Only people who support Putin are tankies and gipsies.
>I'm eastern euro myself
>I love Russia
Ah yes, I bet you are from the Dresden oblast
Must be really sad living in monochrome world.
Ok, so find me the pro-russian protests in England, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, France, Italy, Netherlands, etc.
>None
Oh that's right, you are utterly detached from reality because everyone hates those subhuman, violent, aids-ridden, Black folk. They'd rather have a hard time economically than stand idly by while their neighbor gets mugged.
> Black folk
Russians may be a lot of things, but they are not Black folk. You're looking for americans.
>Russians may be a lot of things, but they are not Black folk.
>but they are not Black folk
.t never been to Russia
You are unironically safer in Kenya or Nigerias Capital than Moscow.
What happened to you in Moscow? Did they touch you in places?
Even with all the gays the US has, they have less aids than Russia. Even with all the blacks America has, they have less Black folk than Russia.
It's a couple of things nobody can even compete with Russia in.
>Russians may be a lot of things, but they are not Black folk.
>Russians may be a lot of things, but they are not Black folk
Yeah, they're worse.
>You take my money, that must mean you love me
Jews must just love everyone in the world right now. and anon, don't get married if you actually think like this.
> He doesn't hate them, that means he loves them
Literal colorblind moron.
It was a European gas pipeline funded by German, French, and Japanese banks.
When has the US ever damaged infrastructure like that?
WW2?
>/leftypol/, /chug/
Same glavset troons, same thing, just different characters they're playing.
good goy
Except that comment that Biden made:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FVbEoZXhCrM
I hate this goddamn quote. Its so vague and it obviously doesnt allude at ALL to the US going full Al Qeada on an ally’s pipeline. Diplomatically, how would europe react if they found out the US blew the pipelines? Not good, considering how much it would cost to repair, the economic damage it would cause, and the fact that it’s an unprecedented attack against not only Germany, but Russia. It would be such an unnecessary escalation considering that the pipelines are ALREADY CLOSED. Clearly Biden was saying theyd use diplomatic means to shut down Nord Stream 2. Keep in mind that one pipeline was mysteriously left untouched, why would the US do that? It was obviously Russia and they used quotes like that to sow distrust among western allies.
i have proofs
Actually it was nazi sex instructor
lel
literally everyone who has never even heard of PrepHole believes the US did it
You really drank the koolaid didn't you
How dumb should you be to make such obvious falseflag? What is the Russians plan? Just screech "NATO lies" and that's it?
>What is the Russians plan?
Scare Europe by showing that you mean business when you say you won't supply them with gas and that they will totally freeze without you.
It was also meant as a warning to Bolan which opened its own pipeline to Norway literally *days* ealier.
>Scare Europe by showing that you mean business
They could have blown up one of Hunter Bidens LNG ships instead. You're crazy bro.
Lmao. He has already moved on from his expert crack input at that gas line corpo to LNG ships?
Yes, they thought they can make Europe kneel by blowing the pipeline up. However, they forgot that gas was their only bargaining chip. They should feel lucky if we don‘t blow up moscow over this.
But their best bet was using the gas shortages to break unity, when germany etc got cold over winter
Russian internal sabotage?
Gasprom executives and bigwigs have died by the dozen recently, so they have no love for Putin.
>by the dozens
Wasnt there like, the one guy? Not dozens. Still, it could be an internal move to burn the ship for softies that want to turn on the gas from russia to pay their own salaries.
Dude, just google "gazprom dead" and start counting.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/02/business/russian-oligarchs-deaths-intl/index.html
And these are just the notable bigwigs.
They just rely on the CIA notoriety of doing sabotages. Because they are an easy escape goat because contrarians still have "mub america bad" view points. Along with believing russia wouldn't attack their own.
>escape goat
ESL moron detected
>inb4 doggy dog world cope
you weren't memeing don't pretend you were
Try to get out of having to pay fines for contract violations (not delivering what was stipulated).
Isn't deliberately destroying the infrastructure needed to fulfill the contract still count as breach of contract? It's not a force majeure if it could have been avoided by not Black person-chimping out...
>Isn't deliberately destroying the infrastructure needed to fulfill the contract still count as breach of contract?
Yes, obviously. But the Russians (assuming they were behind this sabotage) would naturally expect that nobody would find out.
Putin knows the gas trade won't resume in his lifetime. Might as well try and frame the US
But of you trying to false flag at least try to pretend your are not involved. Like drop charge from submarine so it blows pipeline from outside. Wtf is using charge inside tube?
They're not trying to fool governments. They just want to control the initial message that the pipeline was blown up and the US did it, knowing that many people won't fact check it later
>Wtf is using charge inside tube?
with a maintenance pig
They can't with the otherside not pumping. This ironically touches on the actual reason the line popped.
This is some cool shit.
Russian subs are very closely monitored and 7shadowed by NATO 24/7
No, NATO subs are constantly shadowed by Russian subs from in front.
haven't you ever seen "The World is Not Enough"?
I don't care what anyone says, the Brosnan era Bonds were kino
>But of you trying to false flag at least try to pretend your are not involved
I'm not saying Putin did it.
But if he did do it, consider the following - he was caught red-handed orchestrating false-flags in Russia before, and he has never faced any consequences for it.
He has been caught red-handed so many times now, he has every reason to consider himself untouchable.
It seemed like a possibility at the time because I thought "certainly vatniks are not THAT stupid". Once again, their stupidity astounds me.
>What is the Russians plan?
The plan is "oh no, those pipeline sure are fricked, but look NS2 seems to be half-intact, if you turn that on, you'll get more gas than from NS1 lately, wouldn't that be cool?".
Also it gets Gasprom out of paying fines.
It is a bad plan, of course, but it is a plan.
The tinfoil theory is that Putin didn't want oil execs to have a reason to side against him to get it turned back on. Gazprom were the richest corporation in Russia so it's not so ridiculous they would be a perceived threat given how much the country runs on oligarchery, and a bunch of them have already been offed.
My counter tinfoil theory is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_businessmen_mystery_deaths
They'll say the CIA has infiltrated Nord Stream AG and did it.
>What is the Russians plan? Just screech "NATO lies" and that's it?
Yes.
It's a foolproof plan. And very effective.
>What is the Russians plan?
Try whatever it takes to keep the elite in power as long as possible. By blowing up the pipeline the oligarchs have nothing to gain from peace anymore.
>Just screech "NATO lies" and that's it?
Yes.
shut up israelite
>What is the Russians plan? Just screech "NATO lies" and that's it?
That's pretty much their MO. Remember MH-17, they're still denying it. More so, they still deny the shooting down of that Korean Boeing in the 1980s lol. They deny a lot of things.
Could be Putin crushing internal dissent. Powerful people in Russia would have gotten rich from these pipelines
One of the "Russia did it" theories was that it meant any coup against Putin would be unable to switch the gas pipes back on immediately.
It's 4D Mahjongg, not checkers
Precisely. He can have as many oligarchs take a walk out of a window as he likes; as long as the oil flows, they can spring up again. With the oil cut off, he controls the purse strings. It's a desperate gambit, but it makes sense in a Machiavellian sort of way.
apparently this thing is called a PIG
lel
Pigs require gas pressure, there was none, it was a motorised pig.
There was gas in the pipe though, although not at the pressure a pig needs. Maybe it was motorised and with typical russian engineering excellence managed to blow up the pipe by accident.
The point of a pig is to push using gas flow. From what I understand nord stream 1 had none.
>pipe explodes in three areas, all of which in the worst places for repairs at the same time
>just shitty engineering!
>Pigs require gas pressure, there was none,
pigs require a pressure differential. there was plenty of gas pressure in that pipe, just no pressure differential to cause it to flow and carry along a pig.
And how do you create pressure differential to move the pig hundreds of miles, if the other end of the pipe is closed, pray tell?
Which end of the pipe was closed? Because gas was flowing in from Russia.
The gas for Nord Stream 1 was stopped for weeks, idiot. And Nord Stream 2 was never operational.
both ends were closed.
just accept the correction and move on.
Russia was heavily reliant on pigs for pipe maintainance, yet they declared a war on them anyway.
Silly if you ask me.
Shizo threads belong on >>>/x/
Back to the drone threads with you, scum.
Only drones I see are the people pushing their message based off a blurry 4 second clip
>4 seconds
the clip is 1m56s long, why do you lie
here is a repost thats not behind expressen payway
https://nitter.net/luvyall22/status/1582248088701661184
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/forsta-bilderna-fran-sprangda-gasroret-pa-ostersjons-botten/
aforementioned expressen article
I love how all the footage is of one side of the pipe. Of course the top side of the pipe is going to be all fanned outwards if the explosion was from underneath. Show us the footage of the bottom half of the pipe showing the bottom half is also fanned out. Then you'd actually have something.
Until then all you're proving is that an explosion on one side of a pipe caused to other side to deform outwards which is a suprise to absolutely no one.
No, it would expand upwards and would not show decompression. I love how you have the saddest excuses anyone could think of.
What signs are there of decompression and how does exploding a pressurised pipe with an internal Vs. an external explosion ensure decompression happens? Nobody here is giving a decent explanation of how the video is proof of a "service vehicle" bomb. I've been sitting in this thread waiting for someone to elaborate on OP but nobody is saying how it happened, just why they think it happened and then all their hot takes. Since you seem to know would you be so kind as to explain what happened?
You're not giving any decent explanation for your accusations of subterfuge, just throwing whatever idiotic ideas come to your head. So either put some thought in your little tirades or frick off and go poison the well back on /misc/.
Literally never made any accusations so don't know who the hell you think you're talking to. If you can't answer the question then fine. Didn't think you could.
>Literally never made any accusations
Can't keep track of what you said two posts ago, maybe go parade your Alzheimer's elsewhere.
You do understand different anons can respond to you right? Control your autism and just answer the question because you look like you're massively full of shit right now.
So do you have actual proof or just conjecture from a 2 second clip feasting on confirmation bias?
of course he doesn't. he most likely doesn't even have any engineering degree.
>So do you have actual proof
Even the article that the video is taken from says it was external explosives that caused the damage.
>What is the Russians plan?
My pet theory, which has no evidence at all, is that this was German hardliners doing a Columbus burning his boats thing. Now there's no way back, no temptation and no dealing with internal dissent, they can get on with the business of helping Ukraine win the EU's war and get some revenge for East Germany.
My fuggin digg blew from the inside.
>It WAS Russians. It was "the service vehicle" bomb.
That's what the Amerikans want you to think, moron.
No shit. It was obviously the Russians as soon as they started accusing the Anglo-Saxons
Implying sabotage and not the far more likely incompetence of gazprom. In before frozen methane plugs.
3 of them?
Those lines have been sitting their charged for what 8 months? Call me shocked there where three plugs. Even less shocked that Gazprom fricked up removing them and ruined the line.
> frozen methane plugs
> In a pipe
> in the sea
> all blown at the same time at night
You're not just full of shit, you're exporting it in industrial quantities.
They didn't go at the same time. You could at least learn the facts first. Second nothing about undersea pipes having plugs is incredible in the least. Try learning about a subject before commenting.
That's just a bloody pipe in the middle of the ocean. There's nothing to suggest it's nordstream 2. Stop believing anyone on twitter.
>The Recommended Best Practice to clear a hydrate plug is a vvveeerryyy slllooowww depressurisation from BOTH ENDS, SIMULTANEOUSLY.
How slowly, you ask? For a pipeline the size of Nordstream we’re talking weeks.
As the line reaches local atmospheric pressure heat is transferred to the plug from the environment, and the plug begins to melt, starting at the plug/wall interface.
However, if you are a national gas company with institutional paranoia, a Nationalised aversion to looking weak or asking for help, and a Good Idea Fairy fueled by vodka — well, you can depressurise the pipe from one end.
Doing so from one end does happen, but carrying it out requires a lot of very experienced people, luck (no, more than that), and the favour of multiple gods to pull off.
If the Gods blink, or Jobu has a particular case of the hips at you, what generally happens is the hydrate plug will still melt at the plug/wall junction, but when it does, the pressurised side will launch the plug (five feet in diametre, and the same density as water ice) at almost 200 miles an hour down the pipe towards the depressurised side.
When this plug bullet hits a bend in the pipe — well, it doesn’t stop, nor does it change direction easily. It’s going to make a hole.
How can you tell?
50m. of the pipelines are gone.
Your theory is also obliterated by the fact that the pressure in the pipeline didn't spike on the German side due to the detonation.
America blowing the pipe was the funnier theory but Russia doing it always was by far the more realistic one
There are a lot of people who would like to see the pipe gone. Polish, Yankees, Ukrainians and French to prevent Germany from flip-flopping and giving into the energy crisis. hell, even Finns might have interest to make sure that "Putin pressures EU into giving concenssions" card is out of the game.
Russians themselves would get out of their obligations to deliver gas, and could put pressure on opening up the other pipes more (with better deals for Russians).
No, it was not Finnish frogmen.
Reminder that the people who post in these echo chamber threads are 100% noguns yuropoors. Literally nobody was able to post a gun earlier, and when I posted mine they all said it was fake for moronic noguns reasons (also they called my passport and greentips fake too, and continued to demand more PROOOOFS)
nobody cares about your guns
this is a ukraine war board now.
we arent going away
t. goes away the second the Ukraine war ends
yes, until then shut up.
>nobody cares about your guns
>this is a ukraine war board now.
>we arent going away
How hard is it to flip an image you dumb Black person?
Ask your fellow femboy who took it.
got you covered anon
Thank you.
That man is clearly from Australia and none of the newbies even noticed.
I look like this and say this
samegay
>It WAS Russians
It's always the Russians.
You yuropoor reddit homosexuals make fun of russians for pretending to be american, but none of you are even american yourselves. You just want more military aid gibs so you can afford to keep funding your welfare state.
> always blame the russians, nobody will believe them anyway
It WAS expected and it's still pathetic. Keeping them out of the "investigation" and now blaming them with convenient "accidental footage" of super low quality fitting the narrative perfectly.
And the zombies immediately gobble it up. "I knew it all along!"
The video clearly shows part of the pipe material moved to a side, with contact point bulging from the shearing force. Point of impact above and to the left of pipe seen in video.
See? I can spout bullshit while appearing to be knowledgable too.
Was it supposed to blow up or did they try to block it and frick up?
The gas was going at the lowest pressure at that point, it was probably deliberate.
Isn't this how they got general koscov out of east germany
ITT morons don't understand the pipe is under pressure and was still filled with gas. Any kind of outside puncture would lead to the inside folding outwards.
this. pressure container + structural damage = blown-out bits.
Haven't heard much about the Ghost of Kyiv in a while and then a pipeline mysteriously bursts.....
The ghost just flew over my house!
>The gas pipe blew from the inside.
what kind of moron are you ? sweden said the explosion registered as a 2.3mg earthquake that alone pretty much the only evidence you need to know that it couldnt be done from the inside
it was either from below or the side of it
yeap this is why i dont believe it was russia or anyone with access to the pipeline from the inside
a 2.3 is 1.19kt of tnt in energy even if you use hmx you gonna fricking need (with the rough diameter of the pipeline) you gonna need a 300 meters snake thing to be delivered which clearly wasnt the case
this is what you gona hear in official statment. we all know it was a message to germany to dont be on russia side. russia is fricking mad this pipes blow up
There are two pipes, and only one was blown up. Pathetic attempt of Russian diversion, they need to try harder at selling their bullshit narrative. That includes you too by the way.
there are four lines and three are blown up.
4 lines, 2 streams. Which part of that don't you get reatrd
It's 4 pipes, not 2.
3 of the 4 pipes were blown up.
Which part of that do you not get?
Moron, where are NS3 and NS4 then? You're circling around the point like a homosexual
NS1 is two pipes.
NS2 is two pipes.
There are 4 pipes, 3 of which have been blown up.
Why do you not know this?
low IQ Black person
NS1 = 2 pipes
NS2 = 2 pipes
two projects, 4 pipe lines
so, we all ignore the presence of the british and american navy at exactly the same spot and to exactly the same time when russia is supposed to blown up their own pipeline there? okay moron
So was it British or Americans?
And did their motivation make more sense than Putin doing it so nobody could replace him and normalize relations with Europe?
yes, it was the americans and british.
1.) long term american global strategy: isolate russia
americans tried to cut off russians from the european energy market since a long time. first idea was to undercut the russians and drive them out of the european gas market by delivering cheaper arab gas to europe. syria was supposed to fall with by this shitty little US sponsored color revolution and then had to build the last missing part of their gas pipeline project build which would have gone from saudi arabia to europe.
2.) long term american global strategy: make europe a lot more depending on the US
america had its shale gas boom since quite some time, but its too expensive, no one wants to buy that shit. blowing up NS1 and NS2 made sure that they can sell their overpriced gas to europe. america gets rich, europe suffers and is now utterly dependend on america.
3.) short term american strategy regarding the urkaine war: no exit strategy
america made sure that the europeans cant tell the americans that this is war became too expensive and they will not further participate in this conflict on the expansion of the american global empire project. now europe has to win this for the americans or die.
thanks for the blog post, crack-smoking conspiratard. have any other cool dreams recently?
>that damage control
frick off you shills
They're the ones doing the damage to your moronic arguments, anon, and you can't control it.
>noooooo!!!!oneone11
>YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE ON TEAM RUSSIAN OR USA
frick off shilltroon
dilate your brain with a 7.62
Bullshit. The germans and the EU are already on their way out of energy dependence from Russia once the US warnings about it being used to black mail them have becoming correct (just like the invasion warnings).
The pipe was destroyed by russians, because that way they don't have to pay money for breaching the contracts they have with EU countries (like all the previous "technical difficulties" bullshit they were using before to cut supply), and as propaganda to sow discord in the west.
Remember that these are the same buttholes that hid Hitler's remains to keep alive the nazi boogie man in their soviet propaganda in latin america. There's no such thing as too much lying for a Russian and do not care for losing face because they have no shame. Even two faced chinks are more honest.
> Russians blow the pipes because Hitler
Now this is some utterly moronic shit. Impressive!
>t. illiterate moron with no reading comprehension
to be fair, there have been pro-russian protests in some of those countries with russian populations or many tankies, like in the former east germany. But yeah
Proud moron stay united!
>their own pipeline
It's Germany's moron.
I still don't see why Russia would want to bomb their own pipeline, especially since they still have one Nord Stream pipeline that survived and they want to use it and they also want to use Turk Stream to continue delivering gas to Europe.
This narrative about "We won't supply gas and we mean it!" obviously doesn't hold up.
>especially since they still have one Nord Stream pipeline
Forcing the certification of NS2 while culling the "softies" main reason for getting rid of him and resuming business as usual.
>"Make it look like an explosion from the inside by drilling a hole in the pipe and placing a bomb inside so they think it was the Russians and not us when they inspect the hole"
- instruction to CIA underwater sabotage department probably
>"what should we do when drilling a hole causes a massive flow of water into the pipe and prevents us from doing this"
>"die I suppose, lmao"
>hahaha I will drill into the pipe to make it explode from the inside! They will never find out the real cause of the- UCKKKK
>implying CIA's underwater sabotage experts don't know about "differential pressure"
>implying they don't use specialized equipment
>implying they use divers lmao
They probably made the hole and inserted the bomb months ago (and sealed it from the outside which is easy due to water pressure on the hole)
>was right again
>morons coping and have to come up with more schizo shit
"the west" does plenty of bad things, but at least try to blame them for the things they do, brownoids.
This is /k/
There must be at least one anon that is better acquainted with physics and underwater use of explosives than me.
Can that anon run the numbers, because the damage and deformation make no sense to me right now for any scenario other than an internal explosion causing a rupture along several sections of the pipeline.
Specifically, the claim "gas is deformed outwards due to sideways pressure from the water displace by an external explosion" doesn't make any sense to be, but I'm not an expert in underwater demolitions.
It's cope in this case, but for underwater explosions there is an oscillating bubble that forms from the gas generated by the explosives.
This bubble expands and contracts several times, which can cause a low cycle fatigue failure of the hull of a ship if it is close enough.
In those cases the failure is progressive, so you see striations as each cycle rips more and more of the metal. For an internal explosion those features would be entirely absent.
Pic related. This is higher cycle fatigue, but generally the fracture appearance is similar, but more pronounced in low cycle fatigue. See how there are radial marks from the lower right towards the upper left? Those are fatigue striations.
Oops, pic related.
Now all we need is some sharp-eyed autist.
Get me the pictures, I've run a failure analysis lab in the past. The one OP posted looks like a single massive overload failure.
https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/forsta-bilderna-fran-sprangda-gasroret-pa-ostersjons-botten/
This is the original article from which the video and pictures are coming.
Some journalists hired a guy to run a drone sub and film the point of (one of?) the explosions
Sweet, thank you. Here's the most telling one. The red arrow points to the inside of the pipe. That's a corrosion protection coating, probably.
The blue arrow points at part of the pipe the camera would otherwise be blocked by. It's peeled back radially. This is caused by pressure inside the pipe.
The explosion was definitely inside the pipe.
>Sorry for shitty capture, on phone.
Here is what that failure looks like more clearly. If the explosion was external it would have crushed the pipe flat as opposed to peel it back like an aluminum can.
Apples to oranges.
God i hate self imposed "experts".
While I'm not gonna disagree with you, is there any possibility that the pipe expanding outward was caused by the escape of the pressurized gas after a failure point was introduced by the explosion, or would that present differently?
Not that anon, but there is absolutely not enough gas pressure for that, even if we assume the original explosion merely "cracked" the pipe which then subsequently burst open. If it was that, it would be merely cracked.
> there is absolutely not enough gas pressure for that
That's why the gas leak lasted for days?
Why not? Sources I've found said that the initial pressure was 105 bar before the drop caused by the explosion? That's just barely under the compression that a canister of lab gas is normally sold at which is ~137 bar, and those things are explosive if punctured. While the pipeline is much thicker steel then a lab canister, if the structural integrity was compromised I'd be surprised if it didn't behave similarly.
I like you. Trying to argue with rational arguments against moronic shills. Respect.
have a nice day. I fully believe that Russia did it, I'm just curious if there are telltale details that you would look for that could differentiate between an internal explosion vs a cascade structural failure because science is interesting.
I won't kill myself and I still like you, while I fully believe that USA did it.
What I don't believe is "analysis" from journalists and random internet homosexuals with paint brush arrows. Bring me an experienced sapper and we'll talk.
>"i believe"
its not a matter of believe you wienersucker. to that moment at that location, a american MH-60S helicopter operated in the exact location of the explosion, its even visible at flightradar24, additional to that, the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge operated in exactly that area. they had their BALTOPS training there several days before that, with a focus on unmanned underwater vehicle (UUV) use for "mine hunting", aka. guided torps with a small warhead to detonate mines. how stupid can you be to not put 1+1 together?!
as if false flag attacks on their own people and their allies wasnt ever done before...you naive manchild.
>the US did this
>with a full blown MEU (that wasn't even in the area when the explosion happened)
>and performed ASW flights the week prior and after
>for a pipe that everybody knew the exact location of
>when they have purpose built submarines that can drop divers off or use UUVs to set explosives and then float away undetected
>but they did it with a giant surface fleet
>that was already scheduled to go to that area months prior
>so the us could perform a false flag to get germany and europe to continue doing exactly what they've been doing
>when germany put further sanctions on russia days beforehand
i honestly cannot imagine how stupid one has to be to believe the us did it when they had nothing to gain. do you really believe the pol agitprop that germany was going to crumble any day and europe is going to freeze to death?
what kind of moron strawmanning was that? what you wrote made no sense to anyone with an iq above roomtemperature.
>us did it when they had nothing to gain.
euros have to buy now over-expensive american shale gas and import it by LNG carriers, making themselves completely dependeng on american exports because they are cut off from any other source of gas. and europe cant end their ordered economic suicide be negonating their way out of it (accepting import of russian gas again) because the pipeline is now blown up.
are these no gains you moron?
Ok, let me rephrase that.
The initial gas release would be "explosive" but it would not burst a metal, concrete-covered pipe like a popped baloon - it would just form a big enough rupture to escape and then leak out. If you've seen a lot of ruptured gas cannisters and metal baloons you'd know they usually form either a single crack or burst open - but in both cases they remain largely intact.
In this case, we have an explosion that was powerful enough to outright remove 50m of the pipe, which would have flattened and warped the nearby remains if external.
I'm not saying that this 100% means its an internal explosion, but the damage seems consistent with one.
Also, an internal explosion is not a 100% guarantee Russia did it, even if Gazprom is the most likely culprit based on motives, timing and subsequent behavior.
For reference, this is what I mean by "largely intact" - it's completely burst open, but most of it is still there.
Ah, I can see what you mean about the folded section being pushed back further then would be expected if it was just the internal gas trying to move it out of the way of a path of least resistance. Cool to know.
>The only defense vatBlack folk have is disbelief and confusion
Its getting desperate, will Kherson not becoming a trap but a full retreat break these people?
I didn't think it was the Americans, but I honestly thought doing shit like this was too moronic even for the Russians. When will I learn?
how risky is it driving one of these vehicles through the pipes while they are filled with gas?
So it's confirmed that the US blew up that pipeline, always escalating.
55712169 (no (you) for you=
>NOOooOOooOOOO!!!!
>YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE ON TEAM RUSSIAN OR TEAM USA
>YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE ANOTHER POSITION
frick off shilltroon
dilate your brain with a 7.62
The third position is the ZOG position. Israel is between Russia and the West trying not to make more angry either of them.
the ZOG position is the pro-ukrainian one, you know... the one who wants to transform ukaine into a second israel.
but nice try, shillboy
dilate your brain with a 7.62
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/