you don't understand because you are a retarded zogbot. Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio. Why would they move the front lines when you keep shipping more corpses to the center?
>Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio.
checked and kek'd at the humour, the Russian ground forces are being erased like it was a successful Ukrainian offensive, not a Russian one. Russian military on the ground at Ukraine is at breaking point now at least as per losses and military science bot at unit levels and organisationally.
Russia has lost the war. Even you know it. Your salty tears are pouring forth.
That's not how it works. If you give 30k retards guns and send them to attack a position, they will kill people even if they fail at taking control over the position. Ukraine vs Russia is not the same as the US just bombing the Iraqi army until it ceased to exist. They don't have that much of an advantage and they don't have such luxiries like air superiority and huge stocks of advanced weaponry. You cannot pretend that you don't know that Ukraine also suffered significant losses in Bakhmut
The sound of russian whing...'look at all the Russians we just killed for nothing in acts of stupidity...surely that means russia is winning'
Yeah? You think Russia is close to conceding their Black Sea port? You're fucking retarded. It is so obvious that you are paid to post here. What a worthless life.
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From the simple definition of "To win is to end up in a better strategic situation than your enemy, even if only relatively to theirs", Russia lost back in fucking March, and since July all that awaits them is national annihilation, either brought about by an identity-shattering peace treaty that will make the aftermath of the Versailles treaty look like friendly banter, or by slowly collapsing under the economic strain of an industrial war, or (And this is the kick in the nuts for you vatmoron), by the west fully bringing down its all-powerful soft power knee with such viciousness even Iran will drop them faster than burning coal in order to make a Russian military victory so fucking self-destructive to them that we can finally retire the word Phyrric for Putinic. Russia lost its last winning path when Nordstream 2 blew up, because after that, the west had economically decoupled to the point that the only barrier to economic and political cruelty is a halfway decent pretext, and to assure they are aware you have something more vicious planned out for every month they try our patience . All that is left is to see how painful and disgraceful their inevitable defeat will be, not whether it will occur.
The armed forces of Russia can still win. Russia however, is fucked beyond any rational understanding.
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>we can finally retire the word Phyrric for Putinic.
Nah, Pyrrhus was self aware while Putin/Russia is not, hence why the term is named after him
2 weeks ago
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>killing so many people that you get depressed and have a nice day
idk man this sounds like a great army
>The sound of russian whing...'look at all the Russians we just killed for nothing in acts of stupidity...surely that means russia is winning'
I don't know who you are responding to. I've never claimed that Russia was winning or that it was a 5D chess strategy. What I'm saying is that Ukraine also suffered heavy losses in Bakhmut, and they lost actual soldiers, not disposable mercenary convicts
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https://i.imgur.com/qr8l775.jpg
Yeah? You think Russia is close to conceding their Black Sea port? You're fucking retarded. It is so obvious that you are paid to post here. What a worthless life.
Yeah? Russia has lost this war.
2 weeks ago
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Yeah? Post liberated Donbas and Crimea
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Post alive equipped and fed Russian ground forces. Are they in the Room with us?
2 weeks ago
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Occupying Donbas and Crimea, currently
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>The Russian special military operation in Ukraine seeks to save people, demilitarize and denazify this state in order to prevent such things from happening again
Official goals as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
>save people
Killed more donbabweans and lugandans than Ukraine >demilitarize
Ukraine got more military equipment than they would be able to afford in 100 years >denazify
Government is still alive; nazi Azov is bigger than ever
Ukraine's goals: >don't die
pic related
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>as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
Comedy gold right there.
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>as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes that's what you get for a leg. A shitty bottle of cooking oil and a fuck you note to tell you you are a retard. Smile for the picture!
2 weeks ago
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Judging by the comments, they have ziggers in Singapore too?
2 weeks ago
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Excellent post. The Russian are leaving Donbas and Crimea as we speak
2 weeks ago
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Barely anyone alive in Donbas to be fair. Which is good, they get what they deserve after 2014
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>they get what they deserve after 2014
I agree to a certain degree. Still they were people who were not educated/smart enough to not fall for the Russian propaganda, even if they are pro-Russia, I still see them as victims of Russian actions to a degree, at least the civilians, I don't care for the militias
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>Barely anyone alive in Donbas to be fair. Which is good, they get what they deserve after 2014
Actually most of the men and Ukrainians left when the Russian mob took over. They are the ones fighting to get their homes and farms back from the refuse Putin shipped in.
How retarded do you have to be post official official Russian or Ukrainian numbers as proof of anything? Better countries have faked an insane amount of shit during their wars, this is literally useless.
>Losing 5-10 men for every ukrainian casualty is now a "favourable" ratio for the Russians?
This board overestimates how much russian casualties matter. We already know Wagner took 50,000 convicts. They can lose literally all of them and its not really a 'loss' for Russia.
Yes, yes it is. Because those oh so expendable convicts have been inducted in the first place because of how absolute garbage the Russians' manpower situation is. And they still need to be equipped, fed and given transportaiton to the front, none of which comes free. And when you then end up sending them all into suicidal attacks that achieve little other than effectively serve as life-fire training for rotating ukrainian units, your "expendable" convicts become an active liability. Cannonfodder tactics don't work when your cannonfodder achieves absolutely nothing of substance.
By filling your military with convicts and churkas, you make your average population lose respect for the military, which has larger negative consequences down the road.
>Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio.
When this is the type of thought tumbling out of the Russian war-mind in the 21st fucking century, how do you possibly expect to be taken seriously as a modern military power?
The problem is that Russia got into an attritional fight in the first place. Modern military powers don't >get baited into attritional warfare by a supposedly inferior opponent >constantly opt for the urban assault, because their fundamental idea of war is sub-retarded >opt for the urban assault because they were literally incapable of encircling and bypassing >proceed to somehow *lose* the attritional fight spectacularly
Modern military powers who are winning attrition battles don't need to roll out T-62s, BTR-50s, and MT-LBs with naval turrets poorly welded on, while the inferior opponent is receiving Leopards, Challengers, and Bradleys.
>Russia is fighting a war of attrition
That's exactly the problem. It means they failed to execute any proper military manouvers and strategy and the only thing they are still capable of is moron tier human waves.
World superpower my ass.
>Why doesn't Russia just surround the city? >Why are they assaulting into it in the first place? >I don't understand the slavic brain enough to comprehend any of thi
It's easier to rape civilians if they are still in the city and you don't give them time to retreat.
>Why doesn't Russia just surround the city?
They are basically just infantry and artillery at this point, and the Ukrainians have near omniscient knowledge of their movements. It's not like they can just slam through before Ukraine can muster a response.
Yeah this, if Russia still had plenty of armor, they’d be trying to force a break along the vast plains all around it, but it’s evident that they are incredibly low on armor and aircraft at this point. Wonder how many years will go by before we have good info on how fast they lost everything
Desu, they did try exactly that during the first months. But the central parts of Ukraine were the places with the most Ukrainian troops and fortifications. So they never got too far. Now they're reduced to this.
I've been seeing this cope cauldron for at least a month now.
It has completely stalled and there has been no gains made there.
two more weeks
https://i.imgur.com/JDBMTnP.png
Lot of retarded Vatnik threads today, did something happen in Russia or are the shitskins just putting in overtime ?
their advance to bakhmut seems to have slowed, lot of high quality counter attack footage from ukies, and some 100% reliable rumours saying that russians are just letting wagnerites die because they got tired of Pidorizkin or whatever his name is whining about them
/k/ope will never admit that the 6 month "siege" was done exclusively by Wagner retards, with little to no help from the Russian army until Soledar fell. They also won't admit that the prisioner meat waves were very intentionally badly equipped, they were never meant to survive, their only job was to exchange well-trained and well-equipped Ukrainian soldiers for useless meat wearing useless equipment. Now before you start screeching, no, I'm not saying that the regular Russian army is well equipped and well trained, I'm saying that they used even lower-quality "soldiers" to wear out experienced Ukrainian troops
Once Soledar fell and the regular Russian army started participating in the Bakhmut siege, they made significant progress in surrounding the city during the last two months. Before you start srceeching about "ha! Two months for that" Just look at how much progress Ukraine made in the first two months of attacking Kherson.
I'm not a vatnik (not that it matters what I say, you call label me as one of them regardless) but some facts about the battle for Bakhmut get intentionally ignored or misinterpreted because of how memefied the perspective about this war has become. Yes the Ukrainians were getting a favorable kill ratio in Bakhmut, but losing good soldiers to kill meaningless Wagner buffer meat is not the same as wearing down elite troops in Vuhledar, which, IMO is a better example of a favorable position than Bakhmut is currently
>Once Soledar fell and the regular Russian army started participating in the Bakhmut siege, they made significant progress in surrounding the city during the last two months
How many months does the 2nd army in the world need to capture a small town that was supposed to hold for seven days and give ukies time to prepare a second line of defense?
>I'm saying that they used even lower-quality "soldiers" to wear out experienced Ukrainian troops
I dont understand how that is supposed to work >oi Vadim there is mobik over there
*BANG* >cyka debil I am so fucking tired from my exertions blyat
That's not how it works. If you give 30k retards guns and send them to attack a position, they will kill people even if they fail at taking control over the position. Ukraine vs Russia is not the same as the US just bombing the Iraqi army until it ceased to exist. They don't have that much of an advantage and they don't have such luxiries like air superiority and huge stocks of advanced weaponry. You cannot pretend that you don't know that Ukraine also suffered significant losses in Bakhmut
In this interview the chief of medical service at a hospital that recieves WIA from Bakhmut states that they recieve "more than" 50-60 WIA every day. Assuming 50 WIA per day, it ammounts to 12k Ukrainian casualties in Bakhmut and the surrounding areas over the course of the last 8 months. That battle is not like what the memes here tell you. Russia's convict wave attacks are not about being smart, it's about a level of cruelty that you can get away with when you are a dictator. 12k casualties is not meaningless for Ukraine. They are not sending convicts to die. Those are soldiers and they need every single of them if they want to conduct further counter-offensives
Wagner itself has been reduced to 5 to 10k men itself after all this though, with also heavy casualties across all RU forces in the battle.What's good about 12k casualties against your multiple times that casualty rate? Who's getting worn down in this situation?
This may shock you, but that's not how it actually works in practice. Killing the odd bumfuck private doesn't "wear down" the unit he's part of. A small trickle of casualties while the unit gains combat experience, followed by rotation off the front and new replacements being brought in is literally the platonic ideal of how to turn a regular formation into one of hardened veterans and increase its effectiveness.
To actually wear down a formation to the point of degrading its experience and effectiveness you need to inflict serious losses and/or prevent it from being rotated off the line for an extended time, so it can't digest the experience gained and properly integrate replacements. Running thousands of cannonfodder into their deaths piecemeal only makes for a good opportunity to gain combat experience at minimum cost for the units opposing them. If that was the Russians' plan, then whomever came up with it ought to be shot as a saboteur.
I’m not going to call you a Vatnik, your analysis is sound.
I personally think Prigozhin decided to use, (or was made to use),Bakhmut as his winning move in the Kremlin dick-measuring contest, and once the plucky Ukies didn’t run away, the Army was more than happy to shortchange his supplies and leave him there with his balls caught in the meat grinder and squealing like a pig while they’ve…very slowly…tried to bypass and envelop it.
Yes, those games get played, and poor Vatbroz and Wagnertards die.
People were jumping up and down about the 300k mobilization, but everyone forgot the Tooth to Tail ratio of the Russian Army, SWAG on my part being about 5-1.
This means out of those 300k, only 60k trigger-pullers, (or wretched buggers hiking around the Donetsk Oblast with a fucking stick to get zapped dead by drone-augmented Ukies).
And even at a 5-1 T2T, they’re STILL woefully undersupplied by NATO standards, which is severely impacting their combat effectiveness.
Russians need trucks and people to drive them.
They also need to start summary executions of thieves and drunks and incompetents back up the log train, right up to some Important People, AND put their economy on a War Footing.
Stalin got results because Beria had no qualms about shooting generals and corruptocrats.
I think we’re starting to see that.
>I'm saying that they used even lower-quality "soldiers" to wear out experienced Ukrainian troops
Except the Ukrainians promptly started rotating their troops, thus ensuring that they were suffering massively fewer casualties and that the experience and combat capabilities of the units involved were wholly preserved. This whole idea of wearing down the enemy by throwing cannonfodder at them only works when you do it both continously and along most to all of the frontline, not just a small part of it. A localised grinder just fails to achieve anything notable as long as the other side keeps rotating their units.
>They also won't admit that the prisioner meat waves were very intentionally badly equipped, they were never meant to survive, their only job was to exchange well-trained and well-equipped Ukrainian soldiers for useless meat wearing useless equipment.
The wagners were sent in to force the ukies to man the trenches, which then were hit by wagner artillery. Repeat until there are no ukies left, then the wagner patrol seizes the ukie trench, and the front moves forward a few hundred meters.
I love how these posts literally follow ISW predictions and observations about Russian propaganda. Putin is happy with PigShitSkin, the shills love Wagner and laude their "achievements". Wagner falls out of grace and all of the sudden these same shills claim that it was regular Russian army all along makingbthe gains. It really is all so tiresome.
All other factors aside, it's never good for the attacker when maps get detailed enough to include individual building names. If you're entering the "named buildings" phase of the battle, it's gonna be a fucking slog
Better to have a slog in the first place than a cosmetic quick victory that falls apart immediately. The US pattern is “shock and awe” followed by declaring mission accomplished, then fighting an endless insurgency. anyone who would be participating in that hypothetical insurgency that glowmoron shills project do devoutly is currently getting turned into cannibal corpse lyrics in bakhmut. No 2 days of RuAF shock and awe followed by bewilderment that the enemy is still fighting on the ground. Russia is in this one 1. For the long haul and 2. To win.
>Better to have a slog in the first place than a cosmetic quick victory that falls apart immediately.
You mean like the push to Kyiv early in the war, right?
The problem with your narrative is that the Bakhmut meatgrinder alone (let alone all the other debacles) has already exterminated more Russian troops than a decade of insurgency would have. Your "long haul" doesn't work when you lose mthe war and cripple your army beyond repair before the occupattion/insurgency phase even starts.
>No 2 days of RuAF shock and awe followed by bewilderment that the enemy is still fighting on the ground.
.... Well, no, because the initial 2 days of shock and awe even failed to break Ukraine, to everyone's surprise.
hmm let's do the calculus here gay >insurgency kills some hundreds-to-thousands over the course of ~20 years of occupation >retain otherwise functional urban zones and positive economic activity
or >suffering 30k-50k dead and some unknowable number of casualties since August attacking a town of marginal strategic importance >doing so is now publicly known to be pulling resources from more meaningful offences, like Vuhledar >exacerbating causalities in Vuhledar and elsewhere because of it >do this during mud season >the urban zone is ruined and needs billions in reconstruction
basically you're retarded and a gay
have you considered applying to the RU MoD?
They could use more good men like you in leadership positions.
The front is progressing steadily across Vasily's backyard. A cauldron is forming in Boris' living room and shaping operations are being carried out in the vicinity of Babushka's garden shed.
What the fuck, it’s just a tiny little shitbox prairie town. There’s a billion of them all across North America. That should be something you can take in hours-DAYS at most. How long have they been trying?
Wiki says it had a population of 14400, which I found surprising considering how cute and tiny the mining town is.
You can house a lot of people in highrise commieblocks.
playing devils advocate here, but the town is on relative highground overlooking the surrounding area including pavlivka. this view is virtually unrestricted and what little cover there is has been ranged by arty. plus its on the old contact line so the town itself is heavily fortified and there are mines everywhere.
Best part about that picture is the fact that none of the red parts are in Russian control
All the russians assault got kneecapped before they even reached that town (Pop: around 3k)
>Second video is The Sun, doesn't count >Third video unironically uses the word "cauldron", doesn't count >Fourth video is actually pro-ukraine but in a retarded matter, so doesn't count >First and Last video by Larry Johnson, absolute closn, so doesn't matter
Yeah there's lots of proof
>The Ukrainian defenses in the area are collapsing.
From laughing too hard?
To be fair, the FIRST and original russian assault to vuhledar was pretty close to succeed. They TOS the whole fucking area and reached the hospital. Ukies did an excellent counter assault with tanks and artillery and russia lost their chance forever.
The whole place is a fortified miitary base since 2014. There's also big mines and mineshafts underground. I fully expect them to not surrender if they do get encircled.
They have failed to effectively make a decent winter offensive, and are absolutely shitting themselves at the amassment of materiel being positioned against them.
shall freeze Europe >turned out to be a nothingburger
Germany is down to 65% storage capacity and is burning 0.3% per day. In 216 days Germany will be frozen over.
Several things the other anons already mentioned but a Russian jet collided with a American drone and the vatmorons are using it as propaganda since the drone was destroyed. Unknown if the jet crashed also.
It's only parts of those battalions. Honestly could be 2000 dudes.
That's how it was last month and by the start of this month. By march 5 or 6 reinforcements moved into the city and now there's more men, close to 10k.
...but they why do they keep attacking like retards instead of leveling the place?
Because its a large heavily fortified military base surrounded by fortifications and entrenchments. It's been grind down to a fight for the actual city/base in the eastern and south-eastern part at this point. They still haven't really reached it in the north.
An entire large military Russian formation just got wiped out I'm guessing the 136th separate motorized rifle brigade replaced the 155th marine infantry brigade was destroyed by Ukraine at Vuhledar
It's been boiling for like half a year now. Who left the kettle on??
This is like those times playing Hearts of Iron when you think you paused the game and go do something else then come back to find that 2 years have passed. I bet somebody at Wagner HQ gave an attack order then promptly forgot about it, and that's the only reason they still keep going.
Look at you crying Imagine spamming lies and subversion for a fucking decade and then crying like a child when you get fucked off. The vatmoron in collapse. A pathetic spectacle.
Goodbye Moon
the Russian Ground forces
Goodbye Tankies and commies
Good bye 4chan
And Goodbye /chug/ that is on the 4chan
Goodbye glavet and the wagner that pays it
Goodbye putin too
Goodbye Russia
And Goodbye (you)
>Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio.
checked and kek'd at the humour, the Russian ground forces are being erased like it was a successful Ukrainian offensive, not a Russian one. Russian military on the ground at Ukraine is at breaking point now at least as per losses and military science bot at unit levels and organisationally.
https://i.imgur.com/W9LWNB5.png
An entire large military Russian formation just got wiped out I'm guessing the 136th separate motorized rifle brigade replaced the 155th marine infantry brigade was destroyed by Ukraine at Vuhledar
>An entire large military Russian formation just got wiped out I'm guessing the 136th separate motorized rifle brigade replaced the 155th marine infantry brigade was destroyed by Ukraine at Vuhledar
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Nah, Zelensky was in Poland the whole time no? Fucking zigger
The seething from you vatmorons today is wonderful I guess the rich kids in Moscow are about to be finally sent? See you in a webm, remember your death is but a second but our laughter echoes in eternity
i have been here since the clankening, moron. though admitedly mostly lurking. and there were ua fags on PrepHole before me too. at least on /int/
take your schizo theories elsewhere
If they manage to keep it changing its name one will be presented as one of their big cuckold "wins". "See this is ours now, it only took 10k of deaths from our country with a dismal birthrate as well as the world's respect."
It's obviously less about taking a factory and more about taking selfies at the place where Zelensky was LARPing as Churchill about how #BahmutHolds just a few months ago.
Amazing how vatniks now willing to admit that zelensky was at Bakhmut in the middle of the fight, just like he was there for Severdonut, Izyum and Kherson.
It's fucking funny that Wagner still keeps taking selfies in places they attack just to get ran out of them later and the whole scheme repeats. Was it surviving and reserve VDV who did the actual work this time too?
>posting everything but the girl in question
So you mean to tell me that you not only nailed this chick, but are still nailing her, yet cannot, for some reason, get a photo of the woman in question outside of a lanyard and a passport?
Generally speaking, if someone isn't willing to let you take a photo of them, they aren't going to be sucking your dick any time soon.
Also, wash your hands, the dirt under your nails tells me they haven't seen soap nor water in days.
It only took 20,000 dead Russians to capture that tactical factory. Only 10 million more dead before Wagner marches on Kiev! AndPrepHole isn't pro Ukraine, it's anti Russia.
>Only 10 million more dead before Wagner marches on Kiev!
Come on anon, you know Russia would absolutely be willing to sacrifice 10 million if it meant they would take Kiev, hell, 10 million is probably on the low-end, I'm sure they'd be willing to sacrifice much more.
It's the men that have AIDS, and a lot of other diseases.
Are russian women even worth getting out of that shithole
Russian women are very needy. The USSR was a sexless society and their men are low class drunks, drug addicts with diseases and destroyed bodies. They on a good day barely get any fucking and usually they don't want to because of how bad their men are. This is all stuff I've heard straight from slutty Russian women that fuck around I've spoken to.
>Russian pace of advance increased to like 200 metres per day
Hoholbros...how can we stop the mighty bear?
But it's not even a cauldron?
Why doesn't Russia just surround the city?
Why are they assaulting into it in the first place?
I don't understand the slavic brain enough to comprehend any of this...
>Why doesn't Russia just surround the city?
They've been actively trying to since last July
you don't understand because you are a retarded zogbot. Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio. Why would they move the front lines when you keep shipping more corpses to the center?
>Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio.
checked and kek'd at the humour, the Russian ground forces are being erased like it was a successful Ukrainian offensive, not a Russian one. Russian military on the ground at Ukraine is at breaking point now at least as per losses and military science bot at unit levels and organisationally.
oh yeah right, I forgot about the cope 15:1 KD ratios you've been telling yourselves about hahaha what a joke
Russia has lost the war. Even you know it. Your salty tears are pouring forth.
The sound of russian whing...'look at all the Russians we just killed for nothing in acts of stupidity...surely that means russia is winning'
Yeah? You think Russia is close to conceding their Black Sea port? You're fucking retarded. It is so obvious that you are paid to post here. What a worthless life.
From the simple definition of "To win is to end up in a better strategic situation than your enemy, even if only relatively to theirs", Russia lost back in fucking March, and since July all that awaits them is national annihilation, either brought about by an identity-shattering peace treaty that will make the aftermath of the Versailles treaty look like friendly banter, or by slowly collapsing under the economic strain of an industrial war, or (And this is the kick in the nuts for you vatmoron), by the west fully bringing down its all-powerful soft power knee with such viciousness even Iran will drop them faster than burning coal in order to make a Russian military victory so fucking self-destructive to them that we can finally retire the word Phyrric for Putinic. Russia lost its last winning path when Nordstream 2 blew up, because after that, the west had economically decoupled to the point that the only barrier to economic and political cruelty is a halfway decent pretext, and to assure they are aware you have something more vicious planned out for every month they try our patience . All that is left is to see how painful and disgraceful their inevitable defeat will be, not whether it will occur.
The armed forces of Russia can still win. Russia however, is fucked beyond any rational understanding.
>we can finally retire the word Phyrric for Putinic.
Nah, Pyrrhus was self aware while Putin/Russia is not, hence why the term is named after him
>killing so many people that you get depressed and have a nice day
idk man this sounds like a great army
>The sound of russian whing...'look at all the Russians we just killed for nothing in acts of stupidity...surely that means russia is winning'
I don't know who you are responding to. I've never claimed that Russia was winning or that it was a 5D chess strategy. What I'm saying is that Ukraine also suffered heavy losses in Bakhmut, and they lost actual soldiers, not disposable mercenary convicts
Yeah? Russia has lost this war.
Yeah? Post liberated Donbas and Crimea
Post alive equipped and fed Russian ground forces. Are they in the Room with us?
Occupying Donbas and Crimea, currently
>The Russian special military operation in Ukraine seeks to save people, demilitarize and denazify this state in order to prevent such things from happening again
Official goals as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
>save people
Killed more donbabweans and lugandans than Ukraine
>demilitarize
Ukraine got more military equipment than they would be able to afford in 100 years
>denazify
Government is still alive; nazi Azov is bigger than ever
Ukraine's goals:
>don't die
pic related
>as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
Comedy gold right there.
>as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov
yes that's what you get for a leg. A shitty bottle of cooking oil and a fuck you note to tell you you are a retard. Smile for the picture!
Judging by the comments, they have ziggers in Singapore too?
Excellent post. The Russian are leaving Donbas and Crimea as we speak
Barely anyone alive in Donbas to be fair. Which is good, they get what they deserve after 2014
>they get what they deserve after 2014
I agree to a certain degree. Still they were people who were not educated/smart enough to not fall for the Russian propaganda, even if they are pro-Russia, I still see them as victims of Russian actions to a degree, at least the civilians, I don't care for the militias
>Barely anyone alive in Donbas to be fair. Which is good, they get what they deserve after 2014
Actually most of the men and Ukrainians left when the Russian mob took over. They are the ones fighting to get their homes and farms back from the refuse Putin shipped in.
How retarded do you have to be post official official Russian or Ukrainian numbers as proof of anything? Better countries have faked an insane amount of shit during their wars, this is literally useless.
>Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio.
Losing 5-10 men for every ukrainian casualty is now a "favourable" ratio for the Russians?
>Losing 5-10 men for every ukrainian casualty is now a "favourable" ratio for the Russians?
This board overestimates how much russian casualties matter. We already know Wagner took 50,000 convicts. They can lose literally all of them and its not really a 'loss' for Russia.
Yes, yes it is. Because those oh so expendable convicts have been inducted in the first place because of how absolute garbage the Russians' manpower situation is. And they still need to be equipped, fed and given transportaiton to the front, none of which comes free. And when you then end up sending them all into suicidal attacks that achieve little other than effectively serve as life-fire training for rotating ukrainian units, your "expendable" convicts become an active liability. Cannonfodder tactics don't work when your cannonfodder achieves absolutely nothing of substance.
By filling your military with convicts and churkas, you make your average population lose respect for the military, which has larger negative consequences down the road.
russians are asiatic churka mongols predominantly so no, it will not have much of an impact
>Russians feel like they've set up a favorable position for loss exchange ratio.
When this is the type of thought tumbling out of the Russian war-mind in the 21st fucking century, how do you possibly expect to be taken seriously as a modern military power?
What’s the actual problem with it, hohol? Russia is fighting a war of attrition and winning.
The problem is that Russia got into an attritional fight in the first place. Modern military powers don't
>get baited into attritional warfare by a supposedly inferior opponent
>constantly opt for the urban assault, because their fundamental idea of war is sub-retarded
>opt for the urban assault because they were literally incapable of encircling and bypassing
>proceed to somehow *lose* the attritional fight spectacularly
Modern military powers who are winning attrition battles don't need to roll out T-62s, BTR-50s, and MT-LBs with naval turrets poorly welded on, while the inferior opponent is receiving Leopards, Challengers, and Bradleys.
>Russia is fighting a war of attrition
That's exactly the problem. It means they failed to execute any proper military manouvers and strategy and the only thing they are still capable of is moron tier human waves.
World superpower my ass.
...but they why do they keep attacking like retards instead of leveling the place?
>Why doesn't Russia just surround the city?
>Why are they assaulting into it in the first place?
>I don't understand the slavic brain enough to comprehend any of thi
It's easier to rape civilians if they are still in the city and you don't give them time to retreat.
>Why doesn't Russia just surround the city?
Because 2 rivers in Bakhmut that would cost another 50k chmobiks to cross
Sounds like a perfect opportunity to try some pontooooooooning.
>Why doesn't Russia just surround the city?
They are basically just infantry and artillery at this point, and the Ukrainians have near omniscient knowledge of their movements. It's not like they can just slam through before Ukraine can muster a response.
Yeah this, if Russia still had plenty of armor, they’d be trying to force a break along the vast plains all around it, but it’s evident that they are incredibly low on armor and aircraft at this point. Wonder how many years will go by before we have good info on how fast they lost everything
Desu, they did try exactly that during the first months. But the central parts of Ukraine were the places with the most Ukrainian troops and fortifications. So they never got too far. Now they're reduced to this.
as it has been for the last 8 months, give or take?
Even a vatnik caudron boils eventually.
watched cauldron never boils
two more weeks
their advance to bakhmut seems to have slowed, lot of high quality counter attack footage from ukies, and some 100% reliable rumours saying that russians are just letting wagnerites die because they got tired of Pidorizkin or whatever his name is whining about them
/k/ope will never admit that the 6 month "siege" was done exclusively by Wagner retards, with little to no help from the Russian army until Soledar fell. They also won't admit that the prisioner meat waves were very intentionally badly equipped, they were never meant to survive, their only job was to exchange well-trained and well-equipped Ukrainian soldiers for useless meat wearing useless equipment. Now before you start screeching, no, I'm not saying that the regular Russian army is well equipped and well trained, I'm saying that they used even lower-quality "soldiers" to wear out experienced Ukrainian troops
Once Soledar fell and the regular Russian army started participating in the Bakhmut siege, they made significant progress in surrounding the city during the last two months. Before you start srceeching about "ha! Two months for that" Just look at how much progress Ukraine made in the first two months of attacking Kherson.
I'm not a vatnik (not that it matters what I say, you call label me as one of them regardless) but some facts about the battle for Bakhmut get intentionally ignored or misinterpreted because of how memefied the perspective about this war has become. Yes the Ukrainians were getting a favorable kill ratio in Bakhmut, but losing good soldiers to kill meaningless Wagner buffer meat is not the same as wearing down elite troops in Vuhledar, which, IMO is a better example of a favorable position than Bakhmut is currently
>Once Soledar fell and the regular Russian army started participating in the Bakhmut siege, they made significant progress in surrounding the city during the last two months
How many months does the 2nd army in the world need to capture a small town that was supposed to hold for seven days and give ukies time to prepare a second line of defense?
>I'm saying that they used even lower-quality "soldiers" to wear out experienced Ukrainian troops
I dont understand how that is supposed to work
>oi Vadim there is mobik over there
*BANG*
>cyka debil I am so fucking tired from my exertions blyat
That's not how it works. If you give 30k retards guns and send them to attack a position, they will kill people even if they fail at taking control over the position. Ukraine vs Russia is not the same as the US just bombing the Iraqi army until it ceased to exist. They don't have that much of an advantage and they don't have such luxiries like air superiority and huge stocks of advanced weaponry. You cannot pretend that you don't know that Ukraine also suffered significant losses in Bakhmut
In this interview the chief of medical service at a hospital that recieves WIA from Bakhmut states that they recieve "more than" 50-60 WIA every day. Assuming 50 WIA per day, it ammounts to 12k Ukrainian casualties in Bakhmut and the surrounding areas over the course of the last 8 months. That battle is not like what the memes here tell you. Russia's convict wave attacks are not about being smart, it's about a level of cruelty that you can get away with when you are a dictator. 12k casualties is not meaningless for Ukraine. They are not sending convicts to die. Those are soldiers and they need every single of them if they want to conduct further counter-offensives
but you know very well the casualty rate is not identical across all 8 months so...
Which is why, I took conservative number. He says "more than 50-60" I used a smaller number than what he implies
Wagner itself has been reduced to 5 to 10k men itself after all this though, with also heavy casualties across all RU forces in the battle.What's good about 12k casualties against your multiple times that casualty rate? Who's getting worn down in this situation?
Ukraine has been literally swapping out their troops to train on these "meat waves" you retard.
Yeah, they rotate every soldier just before they get shot. I forgot
Yeah, it is good that you understand.
This may shock you, but that's not how it actually works in practice. Killing the odd bumfuck private doesn't "wear down" the unit he's part of. A small trickle of casualties while the unit gains combat experience, followed by rotation off the front and new replacements being brought in is literally the platonic ideal of how to turn a regular formation into one of hardened veterans and increase its effectiveness.
To actually wear down a formation to the point of degrading its experience and effectiveness you need to inflict serious losses and/or prevent it from being rotated off the line for an extended time, so it can't digest the experience gained and properly integrate replacements. Running thousands of cannonfodder into their deaths piecemeal only makes for a good opportunity to gain combat experience at minimum cost for the units opposing them. If that was the Russians' plan, then whomever came up with it ought to be shot as a saboteur.
Unit rotation is as incomprehensible to the vatnik as the pallet or overhead cover.
Don't forget the western/taliban tactic of relocating after you fire. These people are literally stuck in the 19th century.
>"meat waves"
I’m not going to call you a Vatnik, your analysis is sound.
I personally think Prigozhin decided to use, (or was made to use),Bakhmut as his winning move in the Kremlin dick-measuring contest, and once the plucky Ukies didn’t run away, the Army was more than happy to shortchange his supplies and leave him there with his balls caught in the meat grinder and squealing like a pig while they’ve…very slowly…tried to bypass and envelop it.
Yes, those games get played, and poor Vatbroz and Wagnertards die.
People were jumping up and down about the 300k mobilization, but everyone forgot the Tooth to Tail ratio of the Russian Army, SWAG on my part being about 5-1.
This means out of those 300k, only 60k trigger-pullers, (or wretched buggers hiking around the Donetsk Oblast with a fucking stick to get zapped dead by drone-augmented Ukies).
And even at a 5-1 T2T, they’re STILL woefully undersupplied by NATO standards, which is severely impacting their combat effectiveness.
Russians need trucks and people to drive them.
They also need to start summary executions of thieves and drunks and incompetents back up the log train, right up to some Important People, AND put their economy on a War Footing.
Stalin got results because Beria had no qualms about shooting generals and corruptocrats.
I think we’re starting to see that.
One of the things this war has done is reveal Wagner as a pathetic joke that has no chance against an actual decent army.
>I'm saying that they used even lower-quality "soldiers" to wear out experienced Ukrainian troops
Except the Ukrainians promptly started rotating their troops, thus ensuring that they were suffering massively fewer casualties and that the experience and combat capabilities of the units involved were wholly preserved. This whole idea of wearing down the enemy by throwing cannonfodder at them only works when you do it both continously and along most to all of the frontline, not just a small part of it. A localised grinder just fails to achieve anything notable as long as the other side keeps rotating their units.
>They also won't admit that the prisioner meat waves were very intentionally badly equipped, they were never meant to survive, their only job was to exchange well-trained and well-equipped Ukrainian soldiers for useless meat wearing useless equipment.
The wagners were sent in to force the ukies to man the trenches, which then were hit by wagner artillery. Repeat until there are no ukies left, then the wagner patrol seizes the ukie trench, and the front moves forward a few hundred meters.
I love how these posts literally follow ISW predictions and observations about Russian propaganda. Putin is happy with PigShitSkin, the shills love Wagner and laude their "achievements". Wagner falls out of grace and all of the sudden these same shills claim that it was regular Russian army all along makingbthe gains. It really is all so tiresome.
>"Favourite Cafe"
>"Petrol Station"
>"ATB Market"
All other factors aside, it's never good for the attacker when maps get detailed enough to include individual building names. If you're entering the "named buildings" phase of the battle, it's gonna be a fucking slog
Better to have a slog in the first place than a cosmetic quick victory that falls apart immediately. The US pattern is “shock and awe” followed by declaring mission accomplished, then fighting an endless insurgency. anyone who would be participating in that hypothetical insurgency that glowmoron shills project do devoutly is currently getting turned into cannibal corpse lyrics in bakhmut. No 2 days of RuAF shock and awe followed by bewilderment that the enemy is still fighting on the ground. Russia is in this one 1. For the long haul and 2. To win.
>Better to have a slog in the first place than a cosmetic quick victory that falls apart immediately.
You mean like the push to Kyiv early in the war, right?
You think they achieved victory in Kiev early in the war? Delusional
The problem with your narrative is that the Bakhmut meatgrinder alone (let alone all the other debacles) has already exterminated more Russian troops than a decade of insurgency would have. Your "long haul" doesn't work when you lose mthe war and cripple your army beyond repair before the occupattion/insurgency phase even starts.
>No 2 days of RuAF shock and awe followed by bewilderment that the enemy is still fighting on the ground.
.... Well, no, because the initial 2 days of shock and awe even failed to break Ukraine, to everyone's surprise.
3.to get the ultimate btfo in the records of military history
Excellent summary.
hmm let's do the calculus here gay
>insurgency kills some hundreds-to-thousands over the course of ~20 years of occupation
>retain otherwise functional urban zones and positive economic activity
or
>suffering 30k-50k dead and some unknowable number of casualties since August attacking a town of marginal strategic importance
>doing so is now publicly known to be pulling resources from more meaningful offences, like Vuhledar
>exacerbating causalities in Vuhledar and elsewhere because of it
>do this during mud season
>the urban zone is ruined and needs billions in reconstruction
basically you're retarded and a gay
have you considered applying to the RU MoD?
They could use more good men like you in leadership positions.
>All other factors aside, it's never good for the attacker when maps get detailed enough to include individual building names.
These names are from google maps, they represent business that where there before the war.
I think that anon was just talking about zoom level. We don't zoom in that closely on the kharkiv offensive do we?
The front is progressing steadily across Vasily's backyard. A cauldron is forming in Boris' living room and shaping operations are being carried out in the vicinity of Babushka's garden shed.
Every single day we get this bullshit. Why should I think this particular vatmoron is telling the truth today?
look at the date on it.
What the fuck, it’s just a tiny little shitbox prairie town. There’s a billion of them all across North America. That should be something you can take in hours-DAYS at most. How long have they been trying?
Wiki says it had a population of 14400, which I found surprising considering how cute and tiny the mining town is.
You can house a lot of people in highrise commieblocks.
Also, lol at Russia
playing devils advocate here, but the town is on relative highground overlooking the surrounding area including pavlivka. this view is virtually unrestricted and what little cover there is has been ranged by arty. plus its on the old contact line so the town itself is heavily fortified and there are mines everywhere.
Haha Kiev regime lost the carpark it's all over
Best part about that picture is the fact that none of the red parts are in Russian control
All the russians assault got kneecapped before they even reached that town (Pop: around 3k)
I come back after two weeks at my m8s place and you people are still posting the same front lines from then.
That's the point, I think.
From "Vuhledar collapsing" to "frontlines are stable 2km south of Vuhledar".
>The Ukrainian defenses in the area are collapsing.
From laughing too hard?
Bakhmut is on the brink of falling
Who does he think he's fooling with his retarded expressions?
The youtube algorithm
Hoholbros...
>Second video is The Sun, doesn't count
>Third video unironically uses the word "cauldron", doesn't count
>Fourth video is actually pro-ukraine but in a retarded matter, so doesn't count
>First and Last video by Larry Johnson, absolute closn, so doesn't matter
Yeah there's lots of proof
Every one of those articles are by Larry Johnson, the Smartest Man in Politics
To be fair, the FIRST and original russian assault to vuhledar was pretty close to succeed. They TOS the whole fucking area and reached the hospital. Ukies did an excellent counter assault with tanks and artillery and russia lost their chance forever.
>inb4 it becomes another mariupol and holds out surrounded for months
i suppose they dont have any azovstal tier structures to hole up in
AZOM is there. Wagner is (supposedly) trying to assault right through it.
The whole place is a fortified miitary base since 2014. There's also big mines and mineshafts underground. I fully expect them to not surrender if they do get encircled.
I've been seeing this cope cauldron for at least a month now.
It has completely stalled and there has been no gains made there.
It's not stalled though it's been creeping forward for the past few weeks. They're going to prise it out of ukie hands sooner or later.
>sooner or later.
(TM)
Soon the piggies will squeal from cooking in their own juices!
Lot of retarded Vatnik threads today, did something happen in Russia or are the shitskins just putting in overtime ?
They have failed to effectively make a decent winter offensive, and are absolutely shitting themselves at the amassment of materiel being positioned against them.
>Winter shall freeze Europe
turned out to be a nothingburger
>Winter Offfensive
turned out to be a nothingburger
hundreds of NATO tanks and IFVs are on their way and the Russian Army failed to take a single town
the spring equinox is in 1 week
shall freeze Europe
>turned out to be a nothingburger
Germany is down to 65% storage capacity and is burning 0.3% per day. In 216 days Germany will be frozen over.
Yes, I'm sure they'll never be able to buy more
Akshullay, today+216 is 16-OCT-23. How much freezing over does the northern hemisphere do until then?
the ground is going to be hard enough for manouver warfare in about 3 weeks
Several things the other anons already mentioned but a Russian jet collided with a American drone and the vatmorons are using it as propaganda since the drone was destroyed. Unknown if the jet crashed also.
There are only 6 battalions of ukranians inside Bakhmut itself and they are all named, this is the equivalent of 2 brigades or 4000 to 5000 men.
yet the russians are finding it hard and taking 9 months now
It's only parts of those battalions. Honestly could be 2000 dudes.
That's how it was last month and by the start of this month. By march 5 or 6 reinforcements moved into the city and now there's more men, close to 10k.
Because its a large heavily fortified military base surrounded by fortifications and entrenchments. It's been grind down to a fight for the actual city/base in the eastern and south-eastern part at this point. They still haven't really reached it in the north.
None of these units are fully stationed there this is massive cope lol, most have a battalion or two.
Yes but its now been reinforced and there's been more counter-attacks since then. The attempt at encircling it by the north has stalled due to this.
An entire large military Russian formation just got wiped out I'm guessing the 136th separate motorized rifle brigade replaced the 155th marine infantry brigade was destroyed by Ukraine at Vuhledar
I'm demoralized now
This is dumbest fucking shit I’ve ever read.
Harry motherfucking Potter and the English Boarding School Sodomy Academy as a metaphor for the Russo-Ukraine War?
This fucking Zek should be taken to the Lubyanka basement and garroted for writing this drivel,
It's been boiling for like half a year now. Who left the kettle on??
This is like those times playing Hearts of Iron when you think you paused the game and go do something else then come back to find that 2 years have passed. I bet somebody at Wagner HQ gave an attack order then promptly forgot about it, and that's the only reason they still keep going.
>This board is 100% reddit
and yet you continue to post here
Yeah no one gives a shit. Fuck fuck putin. I'm going to piss in your female relatives mouths for few Euro coins and you will say 'Thank you'
Look at you crying Imagine spamming lies and subversion for a fucking decade and then crying like a child when you get fucked off. The vatmoron in collapse. A pathetic spectacle.
Same shit last time it was a US passport you retarded fuck.
So vatniks managed to capture one village in 40 days going all in? Impressive
How does it feel knowing that you're going to end up in an SBU basement sooner or later?
Its not real he spams edited US passport pictures to.
Goodbye Moon
the Russian Ground forces
Goodbye Tankies and commies
Good bye 4chan
And Goodbye /chug/ that is on the 4chan
Goodbye glavet and the wagner that pays it
Goodbye putin too
Goodbye Russia
And Goodbye (you)
>to the last ukrainian! (literally)
Somehow you don't care about Russia fighting "to the last Russian (literally)". Curious.
No one gives a shit what you say because you are a retarded pro russian shill and that means you are a lying retard.
A lot of zigger cope and American whataboutism in this thread this morning. Have the browns been mobilised to counter another Russian diaster?
Massive Russian losses, the
>An entire large military Russian formation just got wiped out I'm guessing the 136th separate motorized rifle brigade replaced the 155th marine infantry brigade was destroyed by Ukraine at Vuhledar
The pro Russian janny board is /int/ kindly fuck off there instead. He's probably one of you vatnik fucks.
Yup. Good to see you realise why Russia mobilised reservists and middle aged men and is down to T62s and mad max crap. Good you understand.
Nah, Zelensky was in Poland the whole time no? Fucking zigger
The seething from you vatmorons today is wonderful I guess the rich kids in Moscow are about to be finally sent? See you in a webm, remember your death is but a second but our laughter echoes in eternity
the sauna is warming up
what city are you from, traitor? so i can come and beat you into the ground
Half of this board is Ukrainian. Ive sispected it for year and a half at least.
i have been here since the clankening, moron. though admitedly mostly lurking. and there were ua fags on PrepHole before me too. at least on /int/
take your schizo theories elsewhere
fuck off nafo chud, zelensky was never in bakhmut
The Toe is Curled
The Rectum is Twitching!
You're a gay gay and have hairy giggolos shit in your mouth, let's not try to fool anyone
Off you go to the front Moscow brat. You become mud now too
No one gives a shit because you read like a fucking spastic at the serb level.
Damn, it's that exact spot.
>Artemovsk
Why are they mentioning its s*viet name?
Because they’re larping as everything from the Soviet Union to the Russian Empire, and Orthodox State.
It’s fucking weird
If they manage to keep it changing its name one will be presented as one of their big cuckold "wins". "See this is ours now, it only took 10k of deaths from our country with a dismal birthrate as well as the world's respect."
Are they seriously celebrating they managed to capture a fucking factory in the span of three months?
It's obviously less about taking a factory and more about taking selfies at the place where Zelensky was LARPing as Churchill about how #BahmutHolds just a few months ago.
>just a few months ago
yeah, but they fought whole NATO, be more considerate
Amazing how vatniks now willing to admit that zelensky was at Bakhmut in the middle of the fight, just like he was there for Severdonut, Izyum and Kherson.
>“The most important thing in the war is not winning but taking part.”
> Volodymyr Zelenskyy
It's fucking funny that Wagner still keeps taking selfies in places they attack just to get ran out of them later and the whole scheme repeats. Was it surviving and reserve VDV who did the actual work this time too?
Funny, I heard the Russian efforts in Bakhmut stalled out, lol.
Please go through the mental gymnastics step by step that POCCNR is winning.
Washington post is filled with legit fucking commies.
>rshtb
You're that retarded Argentinian pedo who managed to bang some Ukrop whore aren't you?
Newsflash my moron friend, both East Slavs (Ukrainians and Russians you're simping for) are whores
now that you mention it, there was a shitskin on /int/, posting under french flag about nailing some refugee pussy
>Take pic with random woman on the street
>We fucked I swear
famous 4chin classic
Sounds like him.
that's julian, he's been posting on /int/ for nearly 10 years. someone is clearly impersonating him, those photos are ancient.
We rightfully shit on 4chan all the time but its really /int/ that's been pulling the brown skinned gayry these last few years.
>posting everything but the girl in question
So you mean to tell me that you not only nailed this chick, but are still nailing her, yet cannot, for some reason, get a photo of the woman in question outside of a lanyard and a passport?
Generally speaking, if someone isn't willing to let you take a photo of them, they aren't going to be sucking your dick any time soon.
Also, wash your hands, the dirt under your nails tells me they haven't seen soap nor water in days.
It only took 20,000 dead Russians to capture that tactical factory. Only 10 million more dead before Wagner marches on Kiev! AndPrepHole isn't pro Ukraine, it's anti Russia.
>Only 10 million more dead before Wagner marches on Kiev!
Come on anon, you know Russia would absolutely be willing to sacrifice 10 million if it meant they would take Kiev, hell, 10 million is probably on the low-end, I'm sure they'd be willing to sacrifice much more.
>1/7th of the Russian male population dead
Are russian women even worth getting out of that shithole
Consider any you do take as rentals. Once they hit 30 the wall hits them hard.
AIDS.
It's the men that have AIDS, and a lot of other diseases.
Russian women are very needy. The USSR was a sexless society and their men are low class drunks, drug addicts with diseases and destroyed bodies. They on a good day barely get any fucking and usually they don't want to because of how bad their men are. This is all stuff I've heard straight from slutty Russian women that fuck around I've spoken to.
Argentinians are not white and suck at warfare. You are a swarthy refugee living in France. You do not have the respect of your peers.
>4km in a month
THE SHRIMP IS FRYING THE RICE
>mossad confirmed it
the new "I saw it in a dream"
>president of Croatia is massive gay and will lose next election
t.croat who voted for him
Cope seethe and dilate commie
Even russia thinks you're sad and pathetic
Jesus, what a shitfest. These are WW1-tier territorial gains.