Storm Shadow to Ukraine Posted on May 11, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/politics/uk-storm-shadow-cruise-missiles-ukraine
Idk if it's related but have a twitter screencap.
stop this idiotic one-upmanship
I will post anything that makes Warriortard seethe. I personally have no beef with Americans, just him.
Why do you always screenshot this guy. Makes me suspect that he is boosting himself here
Majority of all equipment being sent to ukraine is only sent to test it's validity in peer to peer combat, they don't really care about helping ukraine, they just want to see how their shit runs in a hot war
My guess is the u.s already knows all they need to know about their LRM given how much they have bombed sand morons over the years
This is a cope. If you understood anything about geopolitics you wouldn't be aligning yourself with Russian propaganda and overly simplifying a conflict into such dichotomies.
Next you're going to tell me Ukriane was never a real state and that Belensky has sex with hunter Biden.
You're incorrect since Storm Shadow was already tested.
new vatnik cope just dropped
Cool, proven that the HIMARS, Patriots, nLaw, Javelins are still effective against Russian coldwar leftovers
HIMARS patriots and javelins have pretty much been rendered useless. NLAW is the star of the show
>HIMARS patriots and javelins have pretty much been rendered useless
you twhot mate
false flag bait
Stop falseflagging m80
Storm Shadow has proven itself against several AD networks. Seeing how Russia is basically Iraq-tier i dont see how they plan to get any new info out of this
>don't wage war, but still test your weapons on your enemies
Based. Be the bong that BRICS sees you.
>Majority of all equipment being sent to ukraine is only sent to test it's validity in peer to peer combat, they don't really care about helping ukraine, they just want to see how their shit runs in a hot war
majority is sent to ukraine because they're at war with russia and everybody in the west is fed up with their shit
>And earlier this month the British government issued a procurement notice through the International Fund for Ukraine. The notice said the UK was inviting expressions of interest for buying “long-range strike” rockets or missiles by May 4, and potential suppliers would be contacted after a month. The notice stipulated “missiles or rockets with a range 100-300km; land, sea or air launch. Payload 20-490kg.”
So are they giving them the export versions listed on wikipedia then? 250km? That's just about enough to hit Kerch at current borders. Definitively in range if they're on jets since they'll be able to breach the front to launch then GTFO, at least in theory.
The UK might buy the naval version of Storm Shadow (MCDN) that has the solid rocket motor and then supply it on trucks like Brimstone. It would probably be more survivable than a Ukrainian aircraft running a SAM and fighter gauntlet.
I don't know about that, MdCN is French, they make the boosters. The way this is worded makes it sound like this is a one-pony show, only Britain is involved. I personally have my doubts Macron's government would sign off on such a thing. Jet launch seems the most likely to me.
Besides, I was shitposting about the Bridge, I don't think they would hit it right off. There's many more valuable targets, and the could hit them from well away with the current borders. For example, they could hit supply depots within Luhansk and Donetsk without even getting close to the front.
I think the Crimean Bridge would be saved for if they have success in a southern counteroffensive, all bets are off if they retake Melitopol, as that would cut off all of Kherson and they would have a green route to strike from.
The French quite literally declared Wagner a terrorist organisation recently I think they might, but my money is on air launch with a bolt on droppable fuel tank maybe if we're worried about SAMs, or the double range version.
Also I'm curious if they can hit that Lugansk bridge, the one supplying most of the LPR and DPR.
>The French quite literally declared Wagner a terrorist organisation
Did they? I heard they might do that.
I don't really follow Froggy politics but they did by doing the following.
>The French parliament has adopted a resolution calling on the European Union to formally label Russia’s mercenary Wagner force a “terror group” as reports emerged that the United Kingdom also appears poised to designate the group a “terror organisation”
Is this because of the no quarter and the civilian killing in Bahkmut, or because of the fucking around in Africa.
Phew, fagners are going to have hard times.
It took France literally over a year to declare them a terrorist organisation despite Wagner literally falseflagging a massacre and blaming the French for it. The French have tried - desperately - to please Putin and it has taken fucking ages for them to do anything. I know VGH JVPITER memes but Macron needs to understand this isn't the 18th century any more and both France is a bit players in geopolitics. Other nations have. The fact Macron is sticking his nose into shit like the Taiwan issue and going 'lol USA is on their own if they go to war ecks dee' and all the shit over the Iraq War I dunno why the Americans give them the time of day.
Maybe, but the whole long-range missile thing is a whole other kettle of fish. Me saying that isn't to decry the Frogs, I actually think they've been doing a good job overall, but this a thing even the Yanks are getting cold feet over. Though they were early on the tank pledges, so maybe.
>Also I'm curious if they can hit that Lugansk bridge, the one supplying most of the LPR and DPR.
Which bridge is this now? I'm not sure where it is, but I can guarantee it can be hit if it's in the East, most things 250km from that front aren't in Ukraine anymore
Now that they officially have the range to do it. Can multiple of those "Storm Shadow" (cringe name) blow the crimean bridge up?
Nah, that bridge is a shitty target.
When the offensive begins they should bomb military coordination centers to seed turmoil and chaos among russians.
The crimean bridge is the only way out of crimea for thousands of russian civilians, military famlilies and government workers. If you blow it up during the counter offensive it will trigger massive chaos.and panic.
There is a jannie during EU mornings that thinks that military equipment and combat footage is not PrepHole related (if its about ukraine)
I don't think that current offensive should bomb Crimea. Because when Ukies take Zaporoznia, they can bomb Crimean bridge with artillery or himars. Not to mention they will blockade it from land.
Take Crimean border and Crimea is doomed.
hitting that bridge again will freak the fuck out of the russians in crimea even more...
This. Blowing the bridge woudn't even be highest priority as long as the train route on the mainland is still open. Blowing up hardened corps level command posts and comms knots a is way more useful for the time being. As the Russians still seem to sruggle with force organization and supposedly still rely on direct line comms that get routed through Russia to coordinate their formations, striking the right relays would absolutely crush their ability to mount effective defensive operations.
The bridge bombing will seed turmoil though
>Cant camp in crimea anymore
>Have to retreat south right into the point of Ukrainian interest
>Have to camp in Donbass/East Ukraine which is very vulnerable to land-based strikes
Dude, Crimea isn't an issue at all. First they will have to capture some other territories.
Also their logistics would have to become tighter, more crowded AND vulnerable overall. Which will hurt especially bad if you disturb logistics points like Luhansk with even more Storm Shadows
This. The bridge is a meme that might left to a later date, when Ukraine cuts off land bridge to Crimea by liberating Melitopol
>Can multiple of those [...] blow the Crimean bridge up?
All Storm Shadows have the 450 kg BROACH warhead.r.
>"The two-stage warhead is made up from an initial shaped charge, which cuts a passage through armour, concrete, earth, etc., allowing a larger following warhead to penetrate inside the target. The weapon is designed to allow a cruise missile to achieve the degree of hard-target penetration formerly only possible by the use of laser-guided gravity bombs."
It'll do it.
yeah, half ton of HE will do that.
Striking targets deeper in Russia proper - that's where it's at.
honestly overpenetration might be a issue, targeting the support pillars rather than the span would work but then it would also take much longer to repair post war
minor quibble on that point MBDA arent always the most forthcoming with publically released information for example missile ranges normally stated as xkm+ with the plus normally being 50% or more of x, and would not automatically advertise RAM on the other hand its not like RAM is a secret these days, the weapon is clearly shaped for stealth. Even if it does lack RAM its still going to have a RCS of a fucking baseball
Why would it be repaired post war? It's a Russian imperial vanity project. Once that bridge goes down properly it's staying down.
It’s not as good as JASSM but it’s leagues ahead of anything Ukraine has. What aircraft can they launch it from?
They are pretty much the same, Storm Shadow has a more impressive combat record and more export success. As Storm Shadow gets programmed before flight it makes integration on soviet era jets far easier than weapons that require more complex connections and data-links.
They aren’t the same at all. The JASSM has double the range, RAM coating so it’s more stealthy, and is capable of data link.
The missiles are in the same weight class and have the similar dimensions with similar engines. We only have the range of Storm Sahdow when flying lo-lo flight patterns. MBDA have always heavily understated range (see the base model 25km+ CAMM engaging targets at 60km).
Both quite clearly have a RAM coating not that it's going to make too much difference when both are already stealthily shaped with internal engines and S ducts.
As i said earlier, the datalink also makes it worse for Ukraine given it has to be integrated on a soviet era jet.
Show me one source that the storm shadow has Ram coating.
> The missiles are in the same weight class and have the similar dimensions with similar engines
Which is why the JASSM-ER having double the range while maintaining the exact dimensions of JASSM is such a big deal.
>Show me one source that the storm shadow has Ram coating.
You can literally see it with your eyes.
>Which is why the JASSM-ER having double the range while maintaining the exact dimensions of JASSM is such a big deal.
Swapped to carbon fibre body to save weight, added extra fuel (both good) and started quoting the maximum theoretical range instead of the realistic range (very lockmart)
Dunno why you're even here, this is a discussion about weapons going to Ukraine. You're as bad as the Spike poster who kept crying from the sidelines about weapons that weren't seeing use.
You can’t see the RAM coating with your eyes. Show me a source
> started quoting the maximum theoretical range instead of the realistic range
>You can’t see the RAM coating with your eyes
You probably can't because you don't know what you're looking for.
Warriortard falseflagging to make the British look bad
> You can literally see it with your eyes
>You're as bad as the Spike poster who kept crying from the sidelines about weapons that weren't seeing use.
Lol I forgot about him, JASSM poster is literally just as butt blasted.
> They are pretty much the same
Same shape maybe. Storm shadow is a less stealthy, shorter ranges JASSM
>Storm shadow is a less stealthy
Lack of RAM coating on the storm shadow vs RAM coating on JASSM. Impossible to conclude that storm shadow is stealthier
They are about as stealthy as each other given their size and features. Any difference will be trivial. The guy making the claims that JASSM is less visible than storm shadow should probably cite his sources rather than his opinions.
Not correct but how does one weapon of the same size having double the range be classified as “similar”. The fact that you can hit infinitely more targets from the same launch position using the JASSM isn’t similar
That's not a fact, that's your opinion, Warriortard
>max effective ranges are an opinion
yes, when they come from you
>the real max effective range of Storm Shadow is 10,000 km
see? I can do it too
>realise you're losing to a competitor on the export market
>play loose with he truth
remember this is lockheed, who have been caught lying and bribing more than any other defence company.
It seems a certain someone mass reported the other Stormshadow thread
No I deleted it and remade it to help dispel malinformation
it'll be warriortard and his ilk, who is currently samefagging in his starstreak thread and calling people who shit on his shitpost thread himself. ignoring the ip counter and add-ons expose him.
janny was seething or what? what happened to the other thread?
Jannies have a strong pro US agenda. That's why every pro us shitpost stays up while all the others are taken down.
Other thread had too much real discussion so they keep up the one with low iq autists fighting about dumb shit
I just want a single janny to explain why the thread was taken down while there's a fucking polandball thread up
I’m OP of both threads. I took the last one down to dispel malinformation that was being posted. I’m this close to doing it again
Misinformation like what retard
Just anti British shill posting in general
like when Warriortard gets called out for his bullshit
go here instead, warriortard is powerless there
Warriortard is a jannie probably
He took it down himself because warriortard is a cuck
Called it lmao
You can always tell it’s him when the post/poster ratio is fucked
You can't delete your own threads on PrepHole.
why is warriortard such a shitskin NEET?
What cool weapons does NATO have, but haven't provided to Ukraine yet?
too many to count.. no joke
Hyper-dimensional demon soldiers powered by the blood of aborted fetuses
Warriortard having a meltdown AGAIN. I really don't get this gimmick. Truly don't.
Why does he do it to himself? That's the most confusing thing for me. He argues both sides depending on what the current trend of posts are.
Do bong posters actually believe the storm shadow has the same range as JASSM-ER or is it warriortard falseflagging.
Who the fuck cares ignore him/them, it's all slide shit anyway, there's a reason he kept making JASSM threads as bait
Warriortard is a retard who literally went and changed the Bradley's origin on Wiki to UK and didn't change his original location, so got exposed as a non-Bong (I forget where he was, Florida?) and when he kept doing it he changed it to Kent kek until he got exposed on PrepHole and stopped.
The guy is just a weird gimmick poster.
Mental illness is a hell of a drug.
Kek I was there for that. Sometime before that he outed himself as a poorfag with supermarket tier tools and toolbag whilst trying to brag about his job on an assembly line. He refrains from posting anything like that anymore though, I think people calling him a poorfag really got to him.
Always assume the latter. The guy is on here 24/7.
It’s just shitposting mate
Why wouldn't they? similar weight, same warhead size, similar engines. As already stated MBDA are known to understate their range.
We only know Storm shadows range when flying lo-lo in a terrain matching flight profile. If you flew higher up in a straight line you'd probably double that.
JASSM-ER was a Redesign that fitted a smaller and more efficient engine plus extra fuel into the same dimensions. Storm shadow never got the redesign. Storm shadow and regular JASSM have similar ranges
Fuck off warriortard
It's impressive if the UK has already delivered Storm Shadow to Ukraine but I'll be more impressed once Ukraine delivers Storm Shadow to Russia
How are Russians and vatmorons reacting to this?
They are busy coping about the khinzal shoot down and whatever the fuck is happening in bahkmut.
Not really sure why the White House is so afraid of sending long ranged missiles to Ukraine. "Oh, they might strike Russia and escalate using those" is less of a worry when Ukraine has already attacked Belgorod several times and might have drone bombed the Kremlin (or a Russian false flag idk).
I see that unlocking the tech tree goes nicely