Strelkov and Prigozhin are CIPSO psy-ops according to newbies
1 year ago
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they most likely are, if they were actually exposing russian incompetence for the whole world to see they would've ended up with 5.45 to the back of the head a while ago
Just imagine, fsb breaking anon's door, anon gets dragged out, one guy in balaklava and altyn helmet stops, types in the '.' and captcha and presses 'post'
anyone who knows anything can see it would be a problem lol. tank barrels aren't designed for the shell counts of artillery. anyone who works for the government should know enough to get suspicious when people start measuring their success by throughput. Russians were gloating of the artillery overmatch and how many thousands more shells they were flinging at Ukraine not realizing that artillery barrels wear out and the Russian MIC was kind of fricked even before the war. So they've burned a lot of their ammunition and equipment advantage dumping rounds into dirt and kindergartens, in addition to spending 10 months funneling men into urban combat in small cities.
By the end of this war Russia will have lost its entire Soviet legacy military. All of the equipment will either be lost or so heavily damaged/used as to be useless and they have neither enough money nor enough productive capacity to replace what has been lost. The stocks they are burning through now were built up over 60 years and are running low in two years of a war with an even poorer and shittier version of their own country. Meanwhile NATO is increasing production of everything and rearming back to cold war levels, but with weapons that might as well be magic compared to Russhit while having sent all remaining cold war stocks to Ukraine.
Wagner gets extra ammo because they can leave if they don't get it but, by giving Wagner extra ammo, it means taking away from regular forces who, if they threatened to leave like Wagner, would be punished. Which is bullshit. Both are dying for the same war, but being treated differently.
Shell issues have been ongoing for months but were hushed up. Why are waiting on the people who ignored the problem to fix it? Why are we repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different result.
I found out that we somehow we ran out of entrenching tools. We're desperate for them and we've been reduced to shortening regular size shovels to make them. It is ridiculous.
Leaving problems to fester is a bad idea. Because of the Ammo shortages were not fixed, we made do with ATGMs and tank barrels, but now we're out of those as well.
Rationing of shells started 8 months ago. Prigozhin was essentially able to blackmail the Russian government into sending more shells to Wagner by threatening to pull out, which he can do as a private contractor. Not without loss, but it's all just money according to law. So even though he has been seen publicly complaining about not getting enough shells, it's not just Wagner who are being shorted, it's everyone. The army is down to using ATGMs and tanks instead of artillery because they simply don't have enough shells.
I'm reading a bit between the lines but that's essentially what he's saying.
Finally for frick sake. I had been saying for months that Russia (and Ukraine come to that) had been using tanks as make-shift artillery. They would go onto a hill, aim at a town and fire a few HE shells and move. Because they didn't have the artillery (shells or other wise) to do it. Now they've done that so much that their tanks are now busted in the barrels from shooting so much (as if they were artillery) and can't be repaired quickly or easily. So now they're resorting to ATGM as artillery.
I fricking said this months ago and people went >hur dur no they're not
And when I said 'This is why they're dragging T-54/55's out of storage - because they can be used as make-shift artillery' I got >hur dur lol you're defending 40's tanks ecks dee hehe tank is a tank amirite hehe xDDDDD
Well there you go, straight from the doomer himself (because you fricks never read the dozens of sources from both sides which stated they used tanks as make-shift artillery) they used tanks so much in this role they can no longer perform their actual job and are resorting to ATGM for that.
>... will they self-weight on the nearest b***h? We don't wait. Do we expect that those people in the government of the country who built the so coveted "holy 1913" will do so, without thinking that it will be followed by 1914, and 15-th, and -16th, and -17th? We don't wait. Can we help them in this area? In the realm of their self-weighting at the nearest b***h I mean?
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I think it is WW1 metaphor.
I THINK he is referencing Russian propaganda reverencing a great war, forgetting WW1 lead to collapse of Russia and civil war in the following years
>will they self-weight on the nearest b***h?
will they hang themselves on the nearest tree?
>Do we expect that those people in the government of the country who built the so coveted "holy 1913"
"Holy 1913" is probably reference to Romanov tercentenary, whole year of excess, celebration, propaganda and description of the moment as "height of the empire", in 1913.
Soon after, there will be ww1 and revolution.
I think it is WW1 metaphor.
I THINK he is referencing Russian propaganda reverencing a great war, forgetting WW1 lead to collapse of Russia and civil war in the following years
>forgetting WW1 lead to collapse of Russia and civil war in the following years
He is fully aware of those, he's making metaphor of "unwarranted optimism before the disaster".
AI can't compensate for all the mangled metaphors, misspellings and mis-quoted purple prose.
I think it is WW1 metaphor.
I THINK he is referencing Russian propaganda reverencing a great war, forgetting WW1 lead to collapse of Russia and civil war in the following years
It's more like "hanging them on the nearest branch"
The bolt from the blue is a mistranslation from a thunder out of a clear sky. Taking water into your mouth means ignoring the question you've been asked.
t. Pole
I bet the Russian school system forces everybody to read Dostoevsky (good thing) and thats where they pick up the habit
Nato officer schools will soon have courses on how to decipher Russian metaphors and intel breiefings
just how much worse can things get for them without a total collapse? Can you imagine if things were this bad in a NATO military? Human beings would have mutinied long ago
>mutilating bsl-110s
So they take the big sapper's shovel, cut the handle in half and issue it as small sapper's shovel. What will they do when they run out of big sapper's shovels?
Hahaha, the guy literally references Leopards in there. It's actually baffling to think they genuinely believe there's anything a shovel could do against a modern(ish) tank, shouldn't the very act of telling that to an uneducated mobik be a war crime? It's like when you tell a little kid they can beat up their uncle, some of them figure it out that you're fricking with them but a good number are dumb enough to go give it an honest try.
>It's actually baffling to think they genuinely believe there's anything a shovel could do against a modern(ish) tank
Nah he is just mocking meme: "how to defeat X with the shovel".
I think they will have successes but I don't see them being able to fight through mile after mile of entrenched defenders while still at a significant artillery and air power disadvantage.
The most worrying things about the leaks is the loss of air defenses. That Ukraine has managed to sideline the Russian air force has been a key component of their successes. It's a reason why the F-16 should be given to them ASAP.
The Kharkiv counteroffensive was a great success, but it could have been even more successful. Ukraine was able to generate a rout and then caused the reinforcements to rout. Russia has very high aircraft losses trying to stop the bleeding, but by all accounts their willingness to lose aircraft paid off because, operating in an area where UAF air defenses didn't have the same sort of coverage, they were able to inflict losses on the spearheads and bog them down.
The best outcome I see as somewhat likely is them getting a similar breakthrough to Kharkiv, but actually closing the encirclement in time to force a large number of Russians to surrender. This is the one justification for keeping Bakhmut that makes sense. If you can surround a large, low morale, exhausted and undersupplied group, you can get a lot of prisoners.
10-20,000 prisoners gives Ukraine much more leverage the next time Russia considers going "hurr, we will genocide you," and attacking civilian infrastructure. Also, when families learn their son is dead, that's it. They might be angry, but nothing can be done. When they know they are captured and the POWs are allowed to send letters and videos home, they will be highly motivated to try to end the war. 20,000 families produces easily a quarter million friends and families who are now willing to act more drastically in protesting for the end of the conflict. It also is a massive blow to Russian propaganda efforts as you can cover up and deny deaths for a while, but you cannot cover up videos coming back via the internet.
Imagine being this person, for whom a bunch of twitter trannies live rent free in his head, to the point where he sees them everywhere, even in his morning oatmeal and whenever he stubs his toe on something.
The majority of trenches behind the front are created with machines. Not with shovels. Shovels are for the guys who enter an area that was previous held by the opposition and you need to dig your own trenches so they're facing the way the enemy has gone - instead of using the trenches the enemy was using against you.
If you don't have shovels for that, you can't do it quickly and effectively and that is an issue.
The bolt from the blue is a mistranslation from a thunder out of a clear sky. Taking water into your mouth means ignoring the question you've been asked.
t. Pole
There's also the way Russian sentence structure is pretty substantially different than that of English, some constructs being absent entirely, while casings can be brought into English participles in different ways.
The result being that MTL has to decide what participles to use and how to structure sentences (in the possiblity of multiple ways to do so). Typically, it'll try to do something resembling the original text, which ends up quite heavy in the English translation.
Combination of: >desire to emulate Imperial Russian literature which was very verbose and flowery >difficulty translating from Russian to English which can render many figures of speech somewhat silly >habit from centuries of totalitarian rule of various flavours to speak in allegory and indirection in order to communicate forbidden ideas or facts without doing so openly and winding up in prison
The great works of classical russian literature make heavy use of metaphors. Employing such metaphors has long been considered an astute use of the russian language by russian intellectual circuits, ergo the russian education system judiciously enforces the aforementioned style of writing. Thus even less astute students with a poor grasp of the russian language frequently endeavor to employ metaphors, although the given employment of such metaphors are often incongruous and extraneous.
I work in a part of New York with a lot of slavshits so this is true. They speak in grandeur and metaphor about everything. Even the drunks lying on the street.
Culture of being gulaged for being frank
Lack of culture which would allow for establishing similes between the present and the past, greek/roman/christian culture, etc
Enter the flowery metaphors
>like a thunderbolt from the clear sky (remember sky=blue in slavic)
"Out of the blue" is a common enough idiom in English too, but I guess the literal meaning may be obscure for some. And ESLs might not understand it at all.
"bolt from the blue" is a fairly common english idiom that's nearly identical to "thunderbolt from the clear blue sky" in usage and literal meaning
t.native english speaker
Those are common methaphors in Polish too >like a thunderbolt from the clear sky (remember sky=blue in slavic)
suddenly, without warning
>center
the HQ, the powerbase, the command
>to take water into their mouths
to suddenly fall silent, you can't speak when you have water in your mouth
the water one is the only one i've not seen an english equivalent to - closest i can think of off the top of my head is "cat got their tongue" or "swallowed their tongue"
this writes donbass bloger "Murz" and he writes about the DPR mobiks, nobody gives a frick about them. Don't extrapolate this shit to the whole russian army, its stupid
>PMC can whine and beg for shells with dead bodies but donbabwe/luganda can't even use their dead to beg for them let alone acknowledge how badly their casualties are
At this point DPR/LPD seperatist deserve everything coming for them. OH WAIT THEY ARE ALL DEAD! I bet they only keep their 'governer' alive because the bullet isn't worth it.
>I bet they only keep their 'governer' alive because the bullet isn't worth it.
i would say they could use a shovel, but it doesn't seem like they have any of those left.
>At this point DPR/LPD seperatist deserve everything coming for them
I really wonder how much of a hellhole that place will be when ukrainians take it back
Donbabweans always draw the short end of the stick now. Puccia is robbing Peter to pay Paul again, so if the donbabweans are running near zero on arty and ATGMs, never mind the shovels, it probably won't be long before the rest of the Puccian military follow suit.
>expense all your elite units on the first day >chinese tires >traficjam off doom >drone drop blowjob >vdv special marine operations >60 year old tanks >relay on sandBlack person for munitions >drone drop blowjob (again) >river crossing >cope toblerones >ww2 helmets >chechens livestreaming their death >running out of penalbattalions >aboondoning >ww1 human wave tactics >cope thermal bucket
What got me laughing the hardest about this one is that if you look up those tires, the sales brochure notes they're for light freight haulers and utility vehicles and explicitly states they're unsuitable for heavy freight trucks. Like, this wasn't even a case of chinesium or someone getting scammed. The Russians got literally what they paid for, and there's nobody to blame but their own corrupt procurement people.
>Ghirkin says ..
NAFO TROON >Prigozhin says ..
WESTOID SUBVERSION >Lavrov says ..
WESTERN MEDIA LIES
Is there any part of the Russian system that isn't Western troony spies?
>/k/ decried me as a "ameriboo" because I kept buying US milsurp, yet it is I who drained American stocks of all bare necessities, it is I who ensured GI's won't have desert clothes to wear, it is I who ensured they won't have a tent to bivouac in, it is I who ensured they won't have fricking mess tins to eat their rations on, NOT THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RATIONS TOO. They were dogshit, but I ate them. I ate them for fun, while shitposting on /k/ from the comfort of my air conditioned home. And now a GI will starve in the scorching sun, sheltered only by a shallow, sandy trench, which he probably had to dig with his bare fricking hands because I thought his E-tool would make a cool back scratcher.
>/k/ decried me as a "ameriboo" because I kept buying US milsurp, yet it is I who drained American stocks of all bare necessities, it is I who ensured GI's won't have desert clothes to wear, it is I who ensured they won't have a tent to bivouac in, it is I who ensured they won't have fricking mess tins to eat their rations on, NOT THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RATIONS TOO. They were dogshit, but I ate them. I ate them for fun, while shitposting on /k/ from the comfort of my air conditioned home. And now a GI will starve in the scorching sun, sheltered only by a shallow, sandy trench, which he probably had to dig with his bare fricking hands because I thought his E-tool would make a cool back scratcher.
Sorry, wrong copypasta >/k/ decried me as a "tankie" because I kept buying Russian milsurp, yet it is I who drained Russian stocks of all bare necessities, it is I who ensured Russian conscripts won't have warm clothes to wear, it is I who ensured they won't have a tent to bivouac in, it is I who ensured they won't have fricking mess tins to eat their rations on, NOT THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RATIONS TOO. They were dogshit, but I ate them. I ate them for fun, while shitposting on /k/ from the comfort of my warm home. And now a Russian conscript will starve in the cold, sheltered only by a shallow, muddy trench, which he probably had to dig with his bare fricking hands because I thought his MPL-50 spade would make a cool back scratcher.
Does russian ammo stockpile only exist on paper while in reality it has been transmutated into dachas, or is it being hoarded by the nascent warlord formations in anticipation for the warring states period?
They have enough ammo for individual engagements. What they don't have is the quantity neccesary for the continuous, indiscriminate bombardments they were doing in May/June last year, which is coincidentally when the Russians were making steady advances. Their offensive capacity has basically slowly degraded to the point where they've nearly ground to a halt over one medium-sized town. Remember; the Russians took Lysychansk and Sverodonetsk exactly the same way they're taking Bakhmut, the difference now is that they don't have the firepower to properly suppress the Ukrainians.
All of the above. Shitty old soviet stocks that are unusable, stocks of working ammo that got transmuted into yachts, ammo that only ever existed on paper, a piss-poor logistics system and the Russians resorting to mas bombardment.
Not all of them. Strelkov has stated for more than a year now that Russia should have begun the process of mobilization at the start of week 3 when it became clear that the Ukrainians weren't going to roll over. He was right.
yeah his basic solution to everything is to just double down and really commit to winning. He is delusional in the belief that they could have won, but it's not like it's the wrong thing to do if you've decided politically that you have to win the war which the Russian government seems to have done. They constantly painted themselves into a corner by trying to half-ass everything but still win, so most of Strelkov's suggestions to just go balls to the walls early on would have been a much better strategy.
No, his criticism has been relevant a lot of the time, it's his solutions that are constantly moronic.
Not all of them. Strelkov has stated for more than a year now that Russia should have begun the process of mobilization at the start of week 3 when it became clear that the Ukrainians weren't going to roll over. He was right.
Girkin is a critic with a superficial level understanding of the problems he complains about. He is not "wrong" but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army. He doesn't understand cause and effect and lacks the intelligence to predict outcomes and resolve problems inerrant to the solutions he presents.
When Girkin states the obvious like "we need mobilization", he doesn't go into the various political, social, production, logistical, training, and other impediments and how to resolve them. When he says "we need more shells", he doesn't understand that qualified people (or at least the most qualified people Russia can find) are already working nonstop on the issue. When he says "we need more trained artillery observers", he doesn't take the next step and rationalize the immediate battlefield effects of having to remove the trainers from the battlefield to create more. He knows nothing about public support/sentiment, non-military production, limitations in the Russian economy, technology gaps, foreign exchange reserves, and so forth. He cannot comprehend that going into a "wartime economy" would be deeply unpopular, not necessarily increase production substantially, would be countered by the west, etc..
The whole thing reminds me of the fable of "Belling the cat". I won't bore you with the whole story but basically: A bunch of mice get together to come up with a way to stop being eaten by a cat. One mouse (Girkin), suggests putting a bell on the cat's collar so they can hear it coming. As if that has never been thought of before. A much wiser mouse then asks for a volunteer to put the bell on the cat's collar, thereby pointing out the unworkability of the solution and the ultimate stupidity of it.
>He is not "wrong" but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army
It's obvious that he is only posted here to talk about the problems he reveals. No one cares for his solutions.
You spent so much air defending a motte no one was really approaching.
>He is not "wrong" but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army
It's obvious that he is only posted here to talk about the problems he reveals. No one cares for his solutions.
You spent so much air defending a motte no one was really approaching.
Yes, nobody actually gives a frick about his proposed solutions, he's only interesting as a somewhat well-informed guy on the Russian side who reports on the problems he sees.
>but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army.
He cried for mobilization until it happened and then declared that it was too little too late.
He cried for mobilization and ignored WHY they weren't doing it. Then it became untenable when 1.3M Russians fled after the announcement. A huge chunk of their skilled workforce, their tax base, and now they have workforce shortages in some key defense industries and can't fend off cyber attacks. It also didn't fix the military situation. Now he's calling for MORE mobilization. It won't solve their problems. Every soldier you create is a dude who isn't paying taxes, or making shells.
you're wrong, he's well aware of all these problems, it's not like they're secret
the subtext for all of his calls and what he spelled out several times was that any disagreements inside the country about the policies he proposes should be met with bullet to the head, because "it's war time", "the existence of russia is at stake", etc.
as a westerner you're just failing to comprehend that all the problems can be solved by terror and s.runov is well aware of that and expects that to be the modus operandi "should he take power"
The people he needs to convince to give him power will see his shallow understanding of the situation and dismiss his rantings for the stupidity they are. Plenty of propagandists have been pushing for bullets for "traitors". No one is going to give Girkin any authority when his solution for everything is "give me, the idiot, unlimited power to implement my plan and the ability to shoot anyone who disagrees"
>The people he needs to convince to give him power will see his shallow understanding of the situation and dismiss his rantings for the stupidity they are.
yep see, westerner logic!
he doesn't need to convince anyone of anything, he just wants russia to take one last remaining step and declare war and close the borders, everything just glides to labor camps for enemies of the people and nationalization from there
you're trying to make out like he's trying to get catapulted to upper echelons of power and everyone but you knows that it's impossible. All he's vying for is for russia to stop pretending that it's not at war
Mobilizing earlier in the war could have tipped the balance, especially given how tenuous it was for Ukraine at certain points. He understood full well why they weren’t. He just thought, correctly, that if they wanted to win they’d have to eat the pain of that decision.
>but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army.
He cried for mobilization until it happened and then declared that it was too little too late.
you're wrong, he's well aware of all these problems, it's not like they're secret
the subtext for all of his calls and what he spelled out several times was that any disagreements inside the country about the policies he proposes should be met with bullet to the head, because "it's war time", "the existence of russia is at stake", etc.
as a westerner you're just failing to comprehend that all the problems can be solved by terror and s.runov is well aware of that and expects that to be the modus operandi "should he take power"
He's FSB mouthpiece but I don't think he's bait. I think he's just being used by the FSB as their barometer regarding the situation for the rest of the vatnik public.
You are assuming that russian leadership isn’t a bunch of corrupt gangsters. There is zero excuses of why the russian MoD haven’t started to import large amounts of chinese machine tools to escalate ammo production, or why there are no attempts to secure a steady influx of recruits to the army, or even why Putin still keeps the nonsensical fiction of a “special military operation” instead of formally declaring war.
The corrupt gangster excuse is another facet that Girkin is ignoring. For a true believer (and war criminal) like Girkin, the winning the war is a necessity. For the people making decisions, other outcomes are possible, so they get to weigh the cost/benefits of things like mobilization, imports, production, etc...
You're viewing the problems of the Russian army as problems to be fixed. When you're a corrupt autocrat, those problems are often opportunities. Why "fix" shell production? That means less chance to steal. Why "fix" shovels? We can import from China for 1/2 the price as a dual use item, charge the government full price and pocket the difference. Replace Soigu with someone competent? And risk someone not loyal? Perish the thought.
What's actually funnier is Western Machining tools are not (Or were not) sanctioned kek.
Some German/American manufacturing company was shipping them entire fabs.
>why the russian MoD haven’t started to import large amounts of chinese machine tools to escalate ammo production
because who the frick is gonna sell them all that you dongus >why there are no attempts to secure a steady influx of recruits to the army
they do everything from deliberately scamming poor people into debts that they can repay only by army paycheck to buying ads no pornsites, that's not including "recently adjusted territories" where they often can simply round up random people and put them into uniform >why Putin still keeps the nonsensical fiction of a “special military operation” instead of formally declaring war.
what the frick do you even think that's gonna change? Don't answer, I tell you. It will change absolutely nothing on the battlefield and shatter their figurative balls on diplomacy field, as it would mean one less trick for 3rd worlders propaganda and one more loophole for UN bureaucrats to frick them over legally.
Congratulations my friend, you are just dumb as an average russian
>because who the frick is gonna sell them all that you dongus
China? >they do everything from deliberately scamming poor people into debts that they can repay only by army paycheck to buying ads no pornsites, that's not including "recently adjusted territories" where they often can simply round up random people and put them into uniform
They could use conscripts, you know, the guys that can't be deployed with a formal declaration of war. >what the frick do you even think that's gonna change? Don't answer, I tell you. It will change absolutely nothing on the battlefield and shatter their figurative balls on diplomacy field, as it would mean one less trick for 3rd worlders propaganda and one more loophole for UN bureaucrats to frick them over legally.
No one outside Russia pretend this isn't a war, and why a formal DoW would fix the above issue.
moron, China was warned that any obvious violation of sanctions would land them in the same soup as POCCNR. That's basically why Pooh Bear told Pootin to frick off when he begged for help.
That's just how russians are, they just can't entirely accept that their army is complete piece of steaming dung top to bottom, and therefore all their country the same as army is only its continuation. They just fundamentally can't comprehend that they are not all-powerful, that if they don't do something, it's not because of higher ups mysterious unwillingness, but simply because they can't.
What's the difference between an entrenching tool and a regular old civilian shovel? Just a shorter handle and collapsible?
Surely they can substitute normal shovels without too much trouble, just start a shovel drive and ask civilians to drop their spare tools off at recruitment offices.
Entrenching tools are just shorter and smaller in general, they also have facilities to attach to webgear/harnesses/belts/Y-straps and such.
The Soviets/russians also have/had a standard pattern of full size spades (issues in much smaller numbers), and there are rumors that they've started sawing these things off and issuing them as ersatz entrenching tools.
>running out of shovels
How the frick does that even happen >Russians are moronic
Yes but how the frick do you run out of such a basic supply like that? This is 3rd world African warlord tier holy shit.
It's almost certainly because a) Putin & co. were mostly reliant on the old Soviet stockpiles to equip the RuaF in a time of war, but b) in the interim the stockpiles were stolen/sold off by employees who hadn't been paid and c) they never expected a full blown war and thought the SMO was Operation Danube + Desert Storm at worst.
>running out of shovels >How the frick does that even happen >Modern warfare happened >who the frick needs to entrench, we have IFV's and tanks and combined arms >Modern warfare as Russia >432 days into a 3 day special military operation >degrades into WWI trench warfare >People are celebrating over taking 8 yards of territory which includes occupying an elevator shaft after 4 weeks of fighting >Sold all your surplus shovels to westerners who want to LARP as Soviets
There are LND/DNR troops still and they getting mobiks from Russia. Of course they don't care about them and use them as russians used them. There was complaints from mobiks being sent to LNR/DNR commanders. Another thing there are a lot of reports about mobiks not getting paid or paid less than promised.
2/3
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>volunteer produced shovels
>worn out barrels
>1914 artillery doctrine
>no shells
Jesus Christ
Can Russia sink any lower
And yet they find another bottom every time.
In the basement of Russia's failure, there is always one more floor.
Wrong question, you should be asking "How much lower will Russia sink next?"
As the Moskva
they're not using potatos as grenades...
yet.
As Russian, i can certainly say - yes, we can.
I'm sure they can lower "enlistment" age to 12 or 8.
Sure can, ask the moskva XD
>Can Russia sink any lower
OP clearly said they're out of shovels
Oh buddy, Russia's national pasttime is sinking lower.
If Russia isn't in an active civil war, the answer is no.
>If
they will continue digging as soon as they procure the shovels
The motto of the entire Russian history is "And then it got worse."
idk but psyops has sunk pretty low if you guys are posting here
>totally true
>worn out barrels of what
>no shells to wagner the PMC
What does that even mean?
Strelkov and Prigozhin are CIPSO psy-ops according to newbies
they most likely are, if they were actually exposing russian incompetence for the whole world to see they would've ended up with 5.45 to the back of the head a while ago
Murz was talking about this issue with tank barrels months ago, but back then other russian mil bloggers were shitting on him for it
poor murz
I remember an anon here mocking me for suggesting that Russia can't properly spot and adjust their artillery as their recon troops are gutted and.
>as their recon troops are gutted and.
Anon? ANON!? Frick, the FSB got to him...
Nyet comrade. Recon corps is fine.
Just imagine, fsb breaking anon's door, anon gets dragged out, one guy in balaklava and altyn helmet stops, types in the '.' and captcha and presses 'post'
OH SHIT SNIPER GET DO
do wha
anyone who knows anything can see it would be a problem lol. tank barrels aren't designed for the shell counts of artillery. anyone who works for the government should know enough to get suspicious when people start measuring their success by throughput. Russians were gloating of the artillery overmatch and how many thousands more shells they were flinging at Ukraine not realizing that artillery barrels wear out and the Russian MIC was kind of fricked even before the war. So they've burned a lot of their ammunition and equipment advantage dumping rounds into dirt and kindergartens, in addition to spending 10 months funneling men into urban combat in small cities.
By the end of this war Russia will have lost its entire Soviet legacy military. All of the equipment will either be lost or so heavily damaged/used as to be useless and they have neither enough money nor enough productive capacity to replace what has been lost. The stocks they are burning through now were built up over 60 years and are running low in two years of a war with an even poorer and shittier version of their own country. Meanwhile NATO is increasing production of everything and rearming back to cold war levels, but with weapons that might as well be magic compared to Russhit while having sent all remaining cold war stocks to Ukraine.
>By the end of this war Russia will have lost its entire Soviet legacy military
Russians are backwards idiots who have no hope of beating the West.
>we're gonna reverse engineer Fiskars shovels
>Russia stronk
Not reading broken translation.
Rundown pls
Summary, not a direct translation:
Wagner gets extra ammo because they can leave if they don't get it but, by giving Wagner extra ammo, it means taking away from regular forces who, if they threatened to leave like Wagner, would be punished. Which is bullshit. Both are dying for the same war, but being treated differently.
Shell issues have been ongoing for months but were hushed up. Why are waiting on the people who ignored the problem to fix it? Why are we repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different result.
I found out that we somehow we ran out of entrenching tools. We're desperate for them and we've been reduced to shortening regular size shovels to make them. It is ridiculous.
Leaving problems to fester is a bad idea. Because of the Ammo shortages were not fixed, we made do with ATGMs and tank barrels, but now we're out of those as well.
TL;DR: Stuff is broken, fix it.
Rationing of shells started 8 months ago. Prigozhin was essentially able to blackmail the Russian government into sending more shells to Wagner by threatening to pull out, which he can do as a private contractor. Not without loss, but it's all just money according to law. So even though he has been seen publicly complaining about not getting enough shells, it's not just Wagner who are being shorted, it's everyone. The army is down to using ATGMs and tanks instead of artillery because they simply don't have enough shells.
I'm reading a bit between the lines but that's essentially what he's saying.
how the frick do you get to the point when you need to reverse-engineer fricking shovels in just 30 years after USSR's collapse
>no shells
>use up ATGMs as replacement for artillery
The absolute state.
yup, barrel wear, we have reached that inevitable point
i think russian logistics might be fricked beyond the point of no return
>used ATGMs as a replacement for artillery
Looks like the vatniks wont have any peft to fight the counteeoffensive
Finally for frick sake. I had been saying for months that Russia (and Ukraine come to that) had been using tanks as make-shift artillery. They would go onto a hill, aim at a town and fire a few HE shells and move. Because they didn't have the artillery (shells or other wise) to do it. Now they've done that so much that their tanks are now busted in the barrels from shooting so much (as if they were artillery) and can't be repaired quickly or easily. So now they're resorting to ATGM as artillery.
I fricking said this months ago and people went
>hur dur no they're not
And when I said 'This is why they're dragging T-54/55's out of storage - because they can be used as make-shift artillery' I got
>hur dur lol you're defending 40's tanks ecks dee hehe tank is a tank amirite hehe xDDDDD
Well there you go, straight from the doomer himself (because you fricks never read the dozens of sources from both sides which stated they used tanks as make-shift artillery) they used tanks so much in this role they can no longer perform their actual job and are resorting to ATGM for that.
>... will they self-weight on the nearest b***h? We don't wait. Do we expect that those people in the government of the country who built the so coveted "holy 1913" will do so, without thinking that it will be followed by 1914, and 15-th, and -16th, and -17th? We don't wait. Can we help them in this area? In the realm of their self-weighting at the nearest b***h I mean?
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replace "weighting" as "hanging"
I think it is WW1 metaphor.
I THINK he is referencing Russian propaganda reverencing a great war, forgetting WW1 lead to collapse of Russia and civil war in the following years
It's more like "hanging them on the nearest branch"
>will they self-weight on the nearest b***h?
will they hang themselves on the nearest tree?
>Do we expect that those people in the government of the country who built the so coveted "holy 1913"
"Holy 1913" is probably reference to Romanov tercentenary, whole year of excess, celebration, propaganda and description of the moment as "height of the empire", in 1913.
Soon after, there will be ww1 and revolution.
>forgetting WW1 lead to collapse of Russia and civil war in the following years
He is fully aware of those, he's making metaphor of "unwarranted optimism before the disaster".
Nato officer schools will soon have courses on how to decipher Russian metaphors and intel breiefings
I think NATO will be pivoting away from being concerned about Russia after this war
AK and a shovel becomes just AK.
maybe they should start passing out trowel bayonets like the good ol days
just how much worse can things get for them without a total collapse? Can you imagine if things were this bad in a NATO military? Human beings would have mutinied long ago
>mutilating bsl-110s
So they take the big sapper's shovel, cut the handle in half and issue it as small sapper's shovel. What will they do when they run out of big sapper's shovels?
>Because it makes no sense to hide in the same place where the dill were sitting
It seems like Girkin is in quite the pickle.
underrated post
give me back my sides, Carlos
Is someone going to translate this into English?
>ran out of shovels
motherfricker
damn how they gonna take out western tanks now?
Hahaha, the guy literally references Leopards in there. It's actually baffling to think they genuinely believe there's anything a shovel could do against a modern(ish) tank, shouldn't the very act of telling that to an uneducated mobik be a war crime? It's like when you tell a little kid they can beat up their uncle, some of them figure it out that you're fricking with them but a good number are dumb enough to go give it an honest try.
>It's actually baffling to think they genuinely believe there's anything a shovel could do against a modern(ish) tank
Nah he is just mocking meme: "how to defeat X with the shovel".
The Ukie offensive might just succeed. Not because of Western equipment, but because the Russians are moronic.
>Not because of Western equipment
This will just make it faster with less casualties
I think they will have successes but I don't see them being able to fight through mile after mile of entrenched defenders while still at a significant artillery and air power disadvantage.
The most worrying things about the leaks is the loss of air defenses. That Ukraine has managed to sideline the Russian air force has been a key component of their successes. It's a reason why the F-16 should be given to them ASAP.
The Kharkiv counteroffensive was a great success, but it could have been even more successful. Ukraine was able to generate a rout and then caused the reinforcements to rout. Russia has very high aircraft losses trying to stop the bleeding, but by all accounts their willingness to lose aircraft paid off because, operating in an area where UAF air defenses didn't have the same sort of coverage, they were able to inflict losses on the spearheads and bog them down.
The best outcome I see as somewhat likely is them getting a similar breakthrough to Kharkiv, but actually closing the encirclement in time to force a large number of Russians to surrender. This is the one justification for keeping Bakhmut that makes sense. If you can surround a large, low morale, exhausted and undersupplied group, you can get a lot of prisoners.
10-20,000 prisoners gives Ukraine much more leverage the next time Russia considers going "hurr, we will genocide you," and attacking civilian infrastructure. Also, when families learn their son is dead, that's it. They might be angry, but nothing can be done. When they know they are captured and the POWs are allowed to send letters and videos home, they will be highly motivated to try to end the war. 20,000 families produces easily a quarter million friends and families who are now willing to act more drastically in protesting for the end of the conflict. It also is a massive blow to Russian propaganda efforts as you can cover up and deny deaths for a while, but you cannot cover up videos coming back via the internet.
>2023: russia runs out of shovels
>2023+1: russian cowards create new line of trenches
are you ready for fresh nafo doublethink
are you a humiliation cuck?
can't think of any other reason you'd still be here
Imagine being this person, for whom a bunch of twitter trannies live rent free in his head, to the point where he sees them everywhere, even in his morning oatmeal and whenever he stubs his toe on something.
"Anons" regularly post those twitter troony memes here, anon. Let's not lie now.
it's always just your kind bringing it up unprompted
It is utterly incomprehensible to me what message you tried to convey.
The majority of trenches behind the front are created with machines. Not with shovels. Shovels are for the guys who enter an area that was previous held by the opposition and you need to dig your own trenches so they're facing the way the enemy has gone - instead of using the trenches the enemy was using against you.
If you don't have shovels for that, you can't do it quickly and effectively and that is an issue.
Why do they write like this brehs?
AI can't compensate for all the mangled metaphors, misspellings and mis-quoted purple prose.
The bolt from the blue is a mistranslation from a thunder out of a clear sky. Taking water into your mouth means ignoring the question you've been asked.
t. Pole
Thanks anon
I bet the Russian school system forces everybody to read Dostoevsky (good thing) and thats where they pick up the habit
MTL in the current year doesn't cope well with euphemisms and metaphors. Russian has a lot of euphemisms and metaphors.
It'll get better though, just needs more data.
There's also the way Russian sentence structure is pretty substantially different than that of English, some constructs being absent entirely, while casings can be brought into English participles in different ways.
The result being that MTL has to decide what participles to use and how to structure sentences (in the possiblity of multiple ways to do so). Typically, it'll try to do something resembling the original text, which ends up quite heavy in the English translation.
Combination of:
>desire to emulate Imperial Russian literature which was very verbose and flowery
>difficulty translating from Russian to English which can render many figures of speech somewhat silly
>habit from centuries of totalitarian rule of various flavours to speak in allegory and indirection in order to communicate forbidden ideas or facts without doing so openly and winding up in prison
The great works of classical russian literature make heavy use of metaphors. Employing such metaphors has long been considered an astute use of the russian language by russian intellectual circuits, ergo the russian education system judiciously enforces the aforementioned style of writing. Thus even less astute students with a poor grasp of the russian language frequently endeavor to employ metaphors, although the given employment of such metaphors are often incongruous and extraneous.
>took out several cotton
Even blacks would rather fight alongside Ukrainian nazis than Russians :^)
Hmm, yes, shallow and pedantic.
I work in a part of New York with a lot of slavshits so this is true. They speak in grandeur and metaphor about everything. Even the drunks lying on the street.
Culture of being gulaged for being frank
Lack of culture which would allow for establishing similes between the present and the past, greek/roman/christian culture, etc
Enter the flowery metaphors
Those are common methaphors in Polish too
>like a thunderbolt from the clear sky (remember sky=blue in slavic)
suddenly, without warning
>center
the HQ, the powerbase, the command
>to take water into their mouths
to suddenly fall silent, you can't speak when you have water in your mouth
>like a thunderbolt from the clear sky (remember sky=blue in slavic)
"Out of the blue" is a common enough idiom in English too, but I guess the literal meaning may be obscure for some. And ESLs might not understand it at all.
"bolt from the blue" is a fairly common english idiom that's nearly identical to "thunderbolt from the clear blue sky" in usage and literal meaning
t.native english speaker
the water one is the only one i've not seen an english equivalent to - closest i can think of off the top of my head is "cat got their tongue" or "swallowed their tongue"
Idiomatic English is "out of the blue".
Translation you fricking moron
Direct MTL of Russian just doesn't work
this writes donbass bloger "Murz" and he writes about the DPR mobiks, nobody gives a frick about them. Don't extrapolate this shit to the whole russian army, its stupid
>PMC can whine and beg for shells with dead bodies but donbabwe/luganda can't even use their dead to beg for them let alone acknowledge how badly their casualties are
At this point DPR/LPD seperatist deserve everything coming for them. OH WAIT THEY ARE ALL DEAD! I bet they only keep their 'governer' alive because the bullet isn't worth it.
>I bet they only keep their 'governer' alive because the bullet isn't worth it.
i would say they could use a shovel, but it doesn't seem like they have any of those left.
>At this point DPR/LPD seperatist deserve everything coming for them
I really wonder how much of a hellhole that place will be when ukrainians take it back
I will be fricking stunned if there is even anyone alive left there after the Russians pull out
Donbabweans always draw the short end of the stick now. Puccia is robbing Peter to pay Paul again, so if the donbabweans are running near zero on arty and ATGMs, never mind the shovels, it probably won't be long before the rest of the Puccian military follow suit.
Reading these translations from Orcish always gives me a headache.
>expense all your elite units on the first day
>chinese tires
>traficjam off doom
>drone drop blowjob
>vdv special marine operations
>60 year old tanks
>relay on sandBlack person for munitions
>drone drop blowjob (again)
>river crossing
>cope toblerones
>ww2 helmets
>chechens livestreaming their death
>running out of penalbattalions
>aboondoning
>ww1 human wave tactics
>cope thermal bucket
>cope thermal bucket
>I forgot
Also, remember before the invasion how every Zigger was claiming that cope cages would stop Javelins?
>before the invasion how every Zigger was claiming that cope cages would stop Javelins?
Cope cages did not exist before that as far as I am aware
The top one is dumb but the slat armor on the sides was used by the US a good bit in the ME
>used by the US a good bit in the ME
Yeah, but against RPGs.
>chinese tires
What got me laughing the hardest about this one is that if you look up those tires, the sales brochure notes they're for light freight haulers and utility vehicles and explicitly states they're unsuitable for heavy freight trucks. Like, this wasn't even a case of chinesium or someone getting scammed. The Russians got literally what they paid for, and there's nobody to blame but their own corrupt procurement people.
>drone drop blowjob (again)
When was the 2nd one? I just remember the 2 guys praying in that blownout building.
>He didn't mention the Red Forest camping trip
What sort of artifact you guys think they unearthed?
they left behind a lot of cursed shovels that's for sure
send in some priests
Cancer
The sweet release from being Russian.
Spicy rocks
you forgot to mention
>VULVEDAR!!
>Bennie Hill music of tanks drive into their own destruction
vidrel
You forgot POONTOONING
he included it, that's why river crossing was there in his post
He did, indeed.
I got distracted by the drone drop blowjob electric boogaloo.
Two blow job videos?? KEK post the second one. You also forgot the tank commander who got promoted to cosmonaut in the minefield.
iranian suicide drones too (and they're proud of them)
You forgot ERA macaroons
War between developed nations is impossible for the aggressor to win in the modern age.
>Ghirkin says ..
NAFO TROON
>Prigozhin says ..
WESTOID SUBVERSION
>Lavrov says ..
WESTERN MEDIA LIES
Is there any part of the Russian system that isn't Western troony spies?
>Is there any part of the Russian system that isn't Western troony spies?
The Man Who Was Thursday but unironically.
How the frick do you run out of shovels
Even poor 1800s farmers had wooden shovels
>/k/ decried me as a "ameriboo" because I kept buying US milsurp, yet it is I who drained American stocks of all bare necessities, it is I who ensured GI's won't have desert clothes to wear, it is I who ensured they won't have a tent to bivouac in, it is I who ensured they won't have fricking mess tins to eat their rations on, NOT THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RATIONS TOO. They were dogshit, but I ate them. I ate them for fun, while shitposting on /k/ from the comfort of my air conditioned home. And now a GI will starve in the scorching sun, sheltered only by a shallow, sandy trench, which he probably had to dig with his bare fricking hands because I thought his E-tool would make a cool back scratcher.
God bless that anon, may his back be forever itch-free
>ameriboo
I prefer the term "Freeaboo"
Sorry, wrong copypasta
>/k/ decried me as a "tankie" because I kept buying Russian milsurp, yet it is I who drained Russian stocks of all bare necessities, it is I who ensured Russian conscripts won't have warm clothes to wear, it is I who ensured they won't have a tent to bivouac in, it is I who ensured they won't have fricking mess tins to eat their rations on, NOT THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE RATIONS TOO. They were dogshit, but I ate them. I ate them for fun, while shitposting on /k/ from the comfort of my warm home. And now a Russian conscript will starve in the cold, sheltered only by a shallow, muddy trench, which he probably had to dig with his bare fricking hands because I thought his MPL-50 spade would make a cool back scratcher.
Does russian ammo stockpile only exist on paper while in reality it has been transmutated into dachas, or is it being hoarded by the nascent warlord formations in anticipation for the warring states period?
part of column A and the rest got either used or blown up.
There is ammo and they are firing a lot. But they are hard pressed, as are the ukranians.
They have enough ammo for individual engagements. What they don't have is the quantity neccesary for the continuous, indiscriminate bombardments they were doing in May/June last year, which is coincidentally when the Russians were making steady advances. Their offensive capacity has basically slowly degraded to the point where they've nearly ground to a halt over one medium-sized town. Remember; the Russians took Lysychansk and Sverodonetsk exactly the same way they're taking Bakhmut, the difference now is that they don't have the firepower to properly suppress the Ukrainians.
All of the above. Shitty old soviet stocks that are unusable, stocks of working ammo that got transmuted into yachts, ammo that only ever existed on paper, a piss-poor logistics system and the Russians resorting to mas bombardment.
i'm sure constantly switching commanders didn't help either
Girkin has constantly been wrong so why is everyone believing him now?
examples?
No, his criticism has been relevant a lot of the time, it's his solutions that are constantly moronic.
Not all of them. Strelkov has stated for more than a year now that Russia should have begun the process of mobilization at the start of week 3 when it became clear that the Ukrainians weren't going to roll over. He was right.
yeah his basic solution to everything is to just double down and really commit to winning. He is delusional in the belief that they could have won, but it's not like it's the wrong thing to do if you've decided politically that you have to win the war which the Russian government seems to have done. They constantly painted themselves into a corner by trying to half-ass everything but still win, so most of Strelkov's suggestions to just go balls to the walls early on would have been a much better strategy.
Girkin is a critic with a superficial level understanding of the problems he complains about. He is not "wrong" but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army. He doesn't understand cause and effect and lacks the intelligence to predict outcomes and resolve problems inerrant to the solutions he presents.
When Girkin states the obvious like "we need mobilization", he doesn't go into the various political, social, production, logistical, training, and other impediments and how to resolve them. When he says "we need more shells", he doesn't understand that qualified people (or at least the most qualified people Russia can find) are already working nonstop on the issue. When he says "we need more trained artillery observers", he doesn't take the next step and rationalize the immediate battlefield effects of having to remove the trainers from the battlefield to create more. He knows nothing about public support/sentiment, non-military production, limitations in the Russian economy, technology gaps, foreign exchange reserves, and so forth. He cannot comprehend that going into a "wartime economy" would be deeply unpopular, not necessarily increase production substantially, would be countered by the west, etc..
The whole thing reminds me of the fable of "Belling the cat". I won't bore you with the whole story but basically: A bunch of mice get together to come up with a way to stop being eaten by a cat. One mouse (Girkin), suggests putting a bell on the cat's collar so they can hear it coming. As if that has never been thought of before. A much wiser mouse then asks for a volunteer to put the bell on the cat's collar, thereby pointing out the unworkability of the solution and the ultimate stupidity of it.
>He is not "wrong" but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army
It's obvious that he is only posted here to talk about the problems he reveals. No one cares for his solutions.
You spent so much air defending a motte no one was really approaching.
Yes, nobody actually gives a frick about his proposed solutions, he's only interesting as a somewhat well-informed guy on the Russian side who reports on the problems he sees.
Isn't Russia already in war economy?
As much as they can be, yes.
He cried for mobilization and ignored WHY they weren't doing it. Then it became untenable when 1.3M Russians fled after the announcement. A huge chunk of their skilled workforce, their tax base, and now they have workforce shortages in some key defense industries and can't fend off cyber attacks. It also didn't fix the military situation. Now he's calling for MORE mobilization. It won't solve their problems. Every soldier you create is a dude who isn't paying taxes, or making shells.
The people he needs to convince to give him power will see his shallow understanding of the situation and dismiss his rantings for the stupidity they are. Plenty of propagandists have been pushing for bullets for "traitors". No one is going to give Girkin any authority when his solution for everything is "give me, the idiot, unlimited power to implement my plan and the ability to shoot anyone who disagrees"
>The people he needs to convince to give him power will see his shallow understanding of the situation and dismiss his rantings for the stupidity they are.
yep see, westerner logic!
he doesn't need to convince anyone of anything, he just wants russia to take one last remaining step and declare war and close the borders, everything just glides to labor camps for enemies of the people and nationalization from there
you're trying to make out like he's trying to get catapulted to upper echelons of power and everyone but you knows that it's impossible. All he's vying for is for russia to stop pretending that it's not at war
Mobilizing earlier in the war could have tipped the balance, especially given how tenuous it was for Ukraine at certain points. He understood full well why they weren’t. He just thought, correctly, that if they wanted to win they’d have to eat the pain of that decision.
>but he never presents anything but unworkable "solutions to the problems of the Russian army.
He cried for mobilization until it happened and then declared that it was too little too late.
you're wrong, he's well aware of all these problems, it's not like they're secret
the subtext for all of his calls and what he spelled out several times was that any disagreements inside the country about the policies he proposes should be met with bullet to the head, because "it's war time", "the existence of russia is at stake", etc.
as a westerner you're just failing to comprehend that all the problems can be solved by terror and s.runov is well aware of that and expects that to be the modus operandi "should he take power"
Nah, Girkin is like a wannabe moronic version of Stalin that never got into power.
Or he could just be FSB controlled opposition to bait out anti Putin dissidents.
He's FSB mouthpiece but I don't think he's bait. I think he's just being used by the FSB as their barometer regarding the situation for the rest of the vatnik public.
You are assuming that russian leadership isn’t a bunch of corrupt gangsters. There is zero excuses of why the russian MoD haven’t started to import large amounts of chinese machine tools to escalate ammo production, or why there are no attempts to secure a steady influx of recruits to the army, or even why Putin still keeps the nonsensical fiction of a “special military operation” instead of formally declaring war.
The corrupt gangster excuse is another facet that Girkin is ignoring. For a true believer (and war criminal) like Girkin, the winning the war is a necessity. For the people making decisions, other outcomes are possible, so they get to weigh the cost/benefits of things like mobilization, imports, production, etc...
You're viewing the problems of the Russian army as problems to be fixed. When you're a corrupt autocrat, those problems are often opportunities. Why "fix" shell production? That means less chance to steal. Why "fix" shovels? We can import from China for 1/2 the price as a dual use item, charge the government full price and pocket the difference. Replace Soigu with someone competent? And risk someone not loyal? Perish the thought.
What's actually funnier is Western Machining tools are not (Or were not) sanctioned kek.
Some German/American manufacturing company was shipping them entire fabs.
>why the russian MoD haven’t started to import large amounts of chinese machine tools to escalate ammo production
because who the frick is gonna sell them all that you dongus
>why there are no attempts to secure a steady influx of recruits to the army
they do everything from deliberately scamming poor people into debts that they can repay only by army paycheck to buying ads no pornsites, that's not including "recently adjusted territories" where they often can simply round up random people and put them into uniform
>why Putin still keeps the nonsensical fiction of a “special military operation” instead of formally declaring war.
what the frick do you even think that's gonna change? Don't answer, I tell you. It will change absolutely nothing on the battlefield and shatter their figurative balls on diplomacy field, as it would mean one less trick for 3rd worlders propaganda and one more loophole for UN bureaucrats to frick them over legally.
Congratulations my friend, you are just dumb as an average russian
>because who the frick is gonna sell them all that you dongus
China?
>they do everything from deliberately scamming poor people into debts that they can repay only by army paycheck to buying ads no pornsites, that's not including "recently adjusted territories" where they often can simply round up random people and put them into uniform
They could use conscripts, you know, the guys that can't be deployed with a formal declaration of war.
>what the frick do you even think that's gonna change? Don't answer, I tell you. It will change absolutely nothing on the battlefield and shatter their figurative balls on diplomacy field, as it would mean one less trick for 3rd worlders propaganda and one more loophole for UN bureaucrats to frick them over legally.
No one outside Russia pretend this isn't a war, and why a formal DoW would fix the above issue.
>China?
I think Russians dont even believe the "China is our ally" myth anymore
moron, China was warned that any obvious violation of sanctions would land them in the same soup as POCCNR. That's basically why Pooh Bear told Pootin to frick off when he begged for help.
That's just how russians are, they just can't entirely accept that their army is complete piece of steaming dung top to bottom, and therefore all their country the same as army is only its continuation. They just fundamentally can't comprehend that they are not all-powerful, that if they don't do something, it's not because of higher ups mysterious unwillingness, but simply because they can't.
Proofs???
>Russia has ran out of the entrenching shovels
Ok, which one of you fuc/k/ers did this? Who is hogging all the entrenching tools?
You already know
lel
Every time.
What's the difference between an entrenching tool and a regular old civilian shovel? Just a shorter handle and collapsible?
Surely they can substitute normal shovels without too much trouble, just start a shovel drive and ask civilians to drop their spare tools off at recruitment offices.
Yeah, basically it's just sized to be portable in a backpack or hung from your waistbelt.
If you're in a stationary position a normal shovel is as good or better.
Entrenching tools are just shorter and smaller in general, they also have facilities to attach to webgear/harnesses/belts/Y-straps and such.
The Soviets/russians also have/had a standard pattern of full size spades (issues in much smaller numbers), and there are rumors that they've started sawing these things off and issuing them as ersatz entrenching tools.
robot translation hurts thinking meat
>all these words
>practically says nothing
i hate russians
>running out of shovels
How the frick does that even happen
>Russians are moronic
Yes but how the frick do you run out of such a basic supply like that? This is 3rd world African warlord tier holy shit.
they had to outfit hundreds of thousand soldiers with what was effectively just decrepit stockpiles
I'm impressed it even lasted that long
It's almost certainly because a) Putin & co. were mostly reliant on the old Soviet stockpiles to equip the RuaF in a time of war, but b) in the interim the stockpiles were stolen/sold off by employees who hadn't been paid and c) they never expected a full blown war and thought the SMO was Operation Danube + Desert Storm at worst.
>running out of shovels
>How the frick does that even happen
>Modern warfare happened
>who the frick needs to entrench, we have IFV's and tanks and combined arms
>Modern warfare as Russia
>432 days into a 3 day special military operation
>degrades into WWI trench warfare
>People are celebrating over taking 8 yards of territory which includes occupying an elevator shaft after 4 weeks of fighting
>Sold all your surplus shovels to westerners who want to LARP as Soviets
There are LND/DNR troops still and they getting mobiks from Russia. Of course they don't care about them and use them as russians used them. There was complaints from mobiks being sent to LNR/DNR commanders. Another thing there are a lot of reports about mobiks not getting paid or paid less than promised.
Really makes you think
>Once bakhmut falls we win! Use everything!
>Oh shit a counter offensive! WHERE IS THE AMMO?!
For those that don't want to try to parse the orc to English translation.
But Prigozhin says he's staying now?
he was promised his long awaited boiprepussy. i guess he'll stay if he actually receives them, if not, wellp