So was HIMARS underrated, or was Russia overrated?

So was HIMARS underrated, or was Russia overrated?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Certainly the latter. No one really thought HIMARS was shit; but most of us didn't realize just how abysmally shit Russia was.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone with a basic grasp on history knew russia was shit

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it seems like it was just the right weapon in the right place at the right time. Russian ammo dumps were vulnerable b/c of their shit logistics and ammo handling procedures, so introducing a weapon with the range and accuracy to strike them reliably (targeted using HATO intelligence obv) meant we get a lot of nice webms of fireworks going off. In the future the ruskies will move their dumps back and spread them out more but this will put even more strain on their logistics which will ruin their only effective strategy of werfing 1000s of shells randomly into an area until it looks like the surface of the moon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >HATO
      Пидopкaшкa aaaaa?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that HIMARS is what Smerch always wanted to be.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      isn't problem of smerch just lack of ruskie having any decent rockets unlike himars rather than the launcher itself?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That and the reloading is painfully long.
        It's funny, apparently even the potatomorons kinda fixed improved on it with their Polonez systems, but Luka still has two years worth of potatoes to peel, so we won't see how effective they really are.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      smerch destroys whole areas
      puny himars can barely poke a hole in pavement

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I cannot wait to hear that he gets the "useful idiot" treatment (RPO rocket to the face)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          3 different attacks and all you have is a hole the size of a pencil

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not according to the actual Russian military.
        As usual, western vatniks live a life of comfortable delusion, while actual Russians get to suffer.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Not according to the actual Russian military.
          citation needed
          bitch.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >smerch destroys whole areas
        Or in human speak "CEP of 500m"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if ii is an area weapon then why do you care if it's 50 meters to the left or to the right?
          literal clown post.

          Russia literally doesn't have a future because they've shown how pathetic they are in this war.

          ukraine was trained by nato and it's a homofest army camping in cities and using civilians as human shields.
          continually loses city by city.
          once the industrial fortified cities will be taken then the whole ukraine project will crumble.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            With what fucking supplies Vatnik? You can't do SHIT without supplies.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              there no supplies because you say so.
              this is your whole cope.
              that the russian army's logistics is in two warehouses in south ukraine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there are*

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have any idea how many ammo depots the Ukrainians have wiped out, lol?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure it's 6 million.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably about 25.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                all of russia's logistics lie in 25 warehouses.
                makes sense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and it's a homofest
            So is the Russian army, not an argument

            >camping in cities and using civilians as human shields
            Welcome to the reality of war. Never bothered you raping neanderthals in the past, so why does it now?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you clowns post the same captures from a homo clip filmed in ukraine.
              sad

              Russia ground down their own army taking a city of 100,000. Everything you are posting is delusion

              magically russia continues to advance.
              how does that work?

              >Build rocket launcher with accuracy of medieval siege weapon
              >In order to avoid humiliation, label it an "area weapon" as if areas are valid military targets
              >Get BTFO by human weapons with CEPs of <10m, which allows them to actually hit the target they are aiming for

              Never change, churka

              what is the official cep of smerch?
              can you provide a link:?

              https://i.imgur.com/OimDd1I.jpg

              >why do you care if it's 50 meters to the left or to the right?

              it's an area weapon. it kills everything in the perimeter.
              the guy in the picture is probably dead and buried by now.
              ukraine loses 200 soldiers a day. and 800 wounded.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia hasn't advanced since July 1st. While the Ukraine as made small bite and hold advances on them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                russia never advanced. it's actually the ukrainians advancing towards moscow right now.
                the banned russian media brainwashed the west into thinking that russia invaded when actually ukraine is fighting inside russia proper.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok you deranged weirdo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                take you medication, transvestite.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >trany, chud, chud

                You that buckbroken that you can only scream about trannies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you favor transexualism.
                where is the lie?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're the only person to even mention it ITT you colossal gay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                says the one talking non stop about homo ass rape.
                lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                https://i.imgur.com/59QKg87.jpg

                >trany, chud, chud

                You that buckbroken that you can only scream about trannies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you should test your theory.
                go to moscow and tell them that you are a homo ass rapist.
                tell me what happened to you afterwards.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the FSIN hires you

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is it better to talk about it, or actually do it? Why do Russian's search for chud porn so much, if they're against trannies?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they do it to spite you, isn't it obvious?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not Russian, though?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are in spirit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they do it to spite you, isn't it obvious?

                Yes, yes. Just out of spite.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >transvestite
                Means you wear the opposite sex's clothes but you still identify as your birth sex.

                you favor transexualism.
                where is the lie?

                >transexualism
                Means you are attracted to transgender people. You cannot change your sex, but you can your gender. So the term is transgenderism.

                If you're gonna shitpost, do it right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're the expert, sissy bimbo homo muttman.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                basic information doesn't make me an expert, it just means i don't look like a schizophrenic retard when I start screeching about transvestites.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're the expert
                But I'm not Russian?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shouldn't you be with the chud lovers and pedos in /chug/?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's an area weapon.
                great if you want to erase a town or shut-down a huge industrial complex. but it's really fucking ineffective for everything else.

                to illustrate:
                >know enemy high value mobile element is roughly in a 1km2 area
                retards:
                >get a whole rocket artillery brigade
                >haul truck after truck of rockets
                >fire 1000 rockets
                >hundreds of man-hours and millions of dollars
                normal people:
                >send a scout element to find it
                >fire one pgm
                >10 man-hours and few thousand dollars

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, when you want to kill camper infested cities you just break a few windows.
                makes sense.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so russias plan is just to raze town after town? just a few problems with that (setting aside morals, since i know you are completely incapable of comprehending what that even means:)
                >ukraine has an army capable of maneuver
                >your already strained logistics would not even be close to being able to pull that off
                >it will cost you any remaining sympathy and good-will left
                >you would destroy what you fought the war about in the first place, the west can afford a 1 trillion marshall plan after the war, can you?
                >while you're busy doing that said ukrainian army would not just stand by

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you clowns post the same captures from a homo clip filmed in ukraine.
                sad
                What's picrel then? Are you gonna rant that the Moscow Times are biased against Russia too? Or that the Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia are all CIA agents in disguise that have been running a campaign to paint Russia's army as a den of faggy prostitution since 2007?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do you even know who owns the moscow times? :))

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia ground down their own army taking a city of 100,000. Everything you are posting is delusion

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Build rocket launcher with accuracy of medieval siege weapon
            >In order to avoid humiliation, label it an "area weapon" as if areas are valid military targets
            >Get BTFO by human weapons with CEPs of <10m, which allows them to actually hit the target they are aiming for

            Never change, churka

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why do you care if it's 50 meters to the left or to the right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if the rockets had a proper guidance system SMERCH would be fearsome

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.
    The US notoriously neglected ground-to-ground fires for a good decade or two because of how ubiquituous air support was in the sandpit fights. At some point people realized that you can't just send a fighter-bomber at every single target out there, so someone started reintegrating fires into the Army and lo and behold, it actually works like anyone with half a brain knew it would.
    Next up is SHORAD. The moment the US military starts reclaiming those abilities, we'll get propaganda threads on PrepHole, just like we've had those threads on the HIMARS for the past couple years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think SHORAD is pretty decently covered at the moment.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >unproven, untested system
        How about no? HIMARS at least got pushed into action in Syria/Iraq. Where have these systems been deployed and used against a modern air enemy?
        I should add to my previous post, that the HIMARS also supports combined arms doctrine, as it allows the ground forces to support the air units in combat by targeting enemy IADS in depth. Another aspect that was neglected in the past decades.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >unproven, untested
          reformmoron/vatnik detected, every system is untested until it isn't.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fuck off, Leonardo DRS-moron. Every system is generally unshilled here in PrepHole until it's tested.
            The HIMARS went through this exact same "scenario." Nobody gave a fuck about it, until it got proven in the Near-East, after which shill-threads talking about it started appearing weekly on PrepHole. Those same threads kept using its combat record as proof of its quality, just as the M-Shorad's moron-shills are going to keep posting it whenever it gets an actual combat record.
            I'll save this fucking thread in my bookmark to post it in the future, just to point out how obvious the US-DOD shilling is.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              but this thread is going to disappear in a day or two at the most, you aren't going to get the opportunity to see SHORAD deployed in that time

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > CDI

            Ancient Libertarian "think tank" that has always been against spending anything on new weapons.

            Get out.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Get fucked asshole

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they moved the launcher from a humvee to a stryker. it's old as shit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its not even close to the same system. The only thing they have in common is the stinger missle, and not even the same varient.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/sxPdwFg.gif

        >unproven, untested system
        How about no? HIMARS at least got pushed into action in Syria/Iraq. Where have these systems been deployed and used against a modern air enemy?
        I should add to my previous post, that the HIMARS also supports combined arms doctrine, as it allows the ground forces to support the air units in combat by targeting enemy IADS in depth. Another aspect that was neglected in the past decades.

        >unproven untested
        >30mm chaingun
        >Hellfire missiles
        >Stinger launcher
        >stryker

        Literally all of these systems are decades old.
        Though I will say the 30mm gun is not quite as cool as the LAV-ADs gun. Even if it shook the chassis apart by firing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The US notoriously neglected ground-to-ground fires for a good decade or two because of how ubiquituous air support was in the sandpit fights.
      Artillery was active in Afghanistan constantly, wtf are you talking about?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >when the idf alarm is cut off by the out going announcement

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can’t see this having such an effect against a modern military. Look at Israel fending off hundreds of Palestinian bottle rockets. It should be a cornerstone of good strategy, or at least rapid sead response.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would separate it into tactical and strategic success. On the tactical side, HIMARS was always going to be good but the pathetic state of the Russian military has turned them into an utterly devastating weapon and the firsthand reports from both sides of their accuracy and power. On the strategic side, these ~20 HIMARS units might be remembered as the turning point of the entire war; as Russia loses their stores of materiel near the front and relocates them farther away their heavy arty will start to peter out and the Ukranians will advance and then the Russians either have to keep scooting their depots back, find a way to prevent or defend against HIMARS attacks (lol, lmao even) or just deal with it and keep fighting in the hope that they can cause unsustainable Ukranian casualties without relying on their typical tactic of "just level the entire forest". It also makes for outstanding propaganda.

      Correct, as I see it. Against an actual peer military, the result of HIMARS launches the way that Ukraine is using them would often be limited to the loss of a few hundred rounds of whatever the local C-RAM system uses.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >thinks C-RAM can defend against high velocity MLRS

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Israel shoots down Grad rockets on a regular basis. Grads are faster than Himars.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Thinks it can't

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Millennium Gun creates a cloud of Tungsten cylinders.
          If you can't directly hit a flying target because it's too fast or far away you use it's speed against it by making it fly into the projectiles or shrapnel.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Send ninety kilograms of explosives at a distance of eighty kilometres and spread would be only three meters.

    Such accuracy vatmorons is called space magic.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't been paying attention to the war for a bit, what has the HIMARS been up to lately

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In retrospect it was telling that Russia never advertised any new GMLRS systems with the same vitriol as the Su-57 or T-14, despite being known as the MLRS country since WW2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, they're the "MLRS-country," but they are also known as the country with WW2 artillery doctrine, requiring guns and launchers to form up in an open field just to have them all fire on the same position. The Russians still haven't solved how to calculate for gun dispersion, while countries like Finland did it in World War fucking Two.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Correction_Circle

      Just the very idea of a "modern" nation relying on WW2-tier artillery doctrine should wake you up to what an absolute shithole it must be.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Correction_Circle
        Interesting, I knew Russia was behind in many aspects but for fucks sake I almost feel bad for them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also for all Russia's emphasis on artillery, they're still fucking SHIT at actually supplying it AND they still suck at not wearing down their own artillery barrels from overuse, lol.

        Stupid Vatniks never figured out if the Ukrainians knock out their logistics, their artillery is knocked out TOO.

        The best way to win an artillery fight is to avoid getting into one and just knock out the other guy's ammo supply system.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Stupid Vatniks never figured out if the Ukrainians knock out their logistics, their artillery is knocked out TOO.
          To be fair, most people don't consider this. Everyone treats logistics like some magical process that will always be there, until it breaks and they're left scrambling and wondering what the fuck to do. Pretty much no one on PrepHole cared about logistics before this war.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hoped from the beginning the Russian logistics would break down. It was the only way I could imagine Ukraine stopping the Russians, crippling their overextended supply lines. Without supplies, your ability to attack goes first, then finally your ability to defend.

            https://i.imgur.com/28VwrGh.png

            >russia will give up any day now!

            Look how fast your guns went silent Vatnik.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >operational pause after taking severodonetk and lisichanks
              >Look how fast your guns went silent Vatnik.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Operational pause

                Except the pause happened AFTER the Twin Cities were turned to rubble and BEFORE the HIMARS kicked into high gear.

                It was only supposed to last 10 fucking days.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                weren't those trucks supposed to be used in the grand failed kherson counteroffensive?
                if you're implying that russia has no ammo left then why isn't the ukrainian army taking back the territory in donbas?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Failed counteroffensive

                Tell me, how long can Russians hold out without a supply chain that WORKS?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if it will ever happen then we'll know.
                but until then the ukrainians have to stop camping in cities. and attack.

                https://i.imgur.com/L8L9ZxX.jpg

                >it's this Romanian again
                Say hi to Dennis for me

                who is dennis, your boyfriend?

                >destroying our ammo dumps didn't stop us from shelling
                >we just don't want to shell right now
                Operational feints aren't real idiot

                >operational pause
                >why u no attack??
                retard alert

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >mass reply
                This is how you tell it's not a paid shill, just an actual retard

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you are rendered incapable of attacking, just say you are taking a rest and don't feel like attacking right now
                >if you are forced to retreat, just say you never wanted to attack there any way, it was merely a ruse
                >if you shit yourself in public, just say you never wanted control over your sphincter muscles, you are focusing your efforts on renal matters
                This type of propaganda only works in Russia. Everyone outside sees right through it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                don't be mad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not mad, I'm reminding you that everyone is aware you are lying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                someone's mad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia's military reputation has died an unpleasant death in a Ukrainian bog, the greatest threat to Europe turned out to be about as strong as the poorest country in Europe. Why would I be mad? Honestly quite happy with it and hope we send more help.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >still mad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dif anon here, brother it seems to me youre not mad, your are SEETHING.
                Holy shit what got blown up?
                tell me anon, WHAT GOT BLOWN UP?
                Another command/radar station?
                the bridge?
                cmon tell us 😀

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Holy shit what got blown up?
                Everything. The Kherson bridges, the warehouses, the supplies, the conscripts - absolutely everything is blown up.

                The only advantage the Russians have right now is that due to decades of Dedovshchina they're fighting on home turf now.
                >truly 5D chess training
                >we teach you what it feels like to lose by fucking you in the arse

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                since i dont want to give a suspected vatnik shill a (you). i answer to may own post regarding your post.
                youre fucked fagot.
                a new paradise is on the horizont.
                a new world order without a fucking dictatorship in russia.
                A
                WORLD
                WITHOUT
                PUTIN

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I regret that I have but one (You) to give to this unfathomly-based post

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                mad

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at it. Impotently posting memes only slightly younger than the Russian Federation itself. This is what vatniks get reduced to when they are forced to face the truth.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are Russians so needy to call everyone gay when their army is notorious for raping 10% of its recruits and causing 5% of them to become outright prostitutes getting pimped out by their superior officers? It only costs you 50 bucks to literally fuck Russia's army up the ass in Moscow.

                usa usa usa usa

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/E9D8WN4.jpg

                https://i.imgur.com/5WbEftw.jpg

                usa usa usa usa

                https://i.imgur.com/NdL1B9i.png

                >babe, wake up! new leftypol cope!

                you know pride parades are a sign of freedom right? no matter if you like the gays or not, it's not the own you think it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, I'm sure that non fags are free.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are Russians so needy to call everyone gay when their army is notorious for raping 10% of its recruits and causing 5% of them to become outright prostitutes getting pimped out by their superior officers? It only costs you 50 bucks to literally fuck Russia's army up the ass in Moscow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why do russians keep calling me gay? anyway here is my detailed fan fiction about gay rape. subscribe to my patreon for more

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you actually posted this 7 seconds after I replied, lmao. this is like your whole lifestyle isnt it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Uh... anon. Your looking at the minutes not seconds...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah sorry this website isn't my life I dont know how to read the numbers, you fucking loser. of course you would think that's something for me to be embarassed about. "haha he doesnt know how our gay website works" , like saying "haha he doesn't have AIDS"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >this website isn't my life
                >I dont know how to read the numbers
                >HH:MM:SS
                this is probably bait but it made me laugh here's an extra (You)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "I can't figure out a digital clock intuitively" isn't the burn you seem to think it is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why have you been reduced to seething shit flinging after being brought face to face with Russia's rampant gayry? Why is it so heartbreaking to you to realize that your army is a bunch of butt-spreading queers?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Naww, just playing Roguetech at the moment and the AI takes a while to go through its turns so I like to tab out and read a bit about guns before I tab back in.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                don't you post near the same volume as Dennis lel
                i don't think it's physically possible to surpass him, he posts hundreds of times per day, but you're up there

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I look to the west with the palm of my hand against my face,
                How low you have sunk, Europe...
                For there's not a man's dick
                No man's ass is to be found

                They're all fucking, they're all fucking,
                Dogs are fucked, I wouldn't be surprised if they were children!
                What's there to talk about?
                The word "gay" is suddenly considered decent!

                Russia's my only outlet!
                Here a man's anus is a dickless place!
                We're the hero country, the messiah country!
                Only our people bring goodness to this mortal world ....

                Suck your lumpy dicks!
                And take big dicks in your anus,
                But honor and nobility our fathers bequeathed us,
                And let our anuses always be pristine tight.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm Russian! I was born to bust ass.
                I was born to be a hero and carry the world with me.
                But in order to have peace, you have to win
                And those who oppose it, you have to give 'em the dick

                You don't want to live like a human being, brother
                Get your mouth ready to take a dick
                We'll punish you in the mouth in a fatherly way
                And fuck you in the ass a little bit

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why is it that I find dozens of articles from Russian sources about Russia's conscripts getting raped whenever I type "state of the Russian army" into google?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because Russian conscripts are both raped by the Russian and the Ukrainian armies. Their only purpose is to be raped.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/gauIpoL.jpg

                [...]

                usa usa usa usa

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't work in Russia. It only works on subhumans, regardless of whethere they are in Russia or without.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't shit my pants, it was simply a special bowel operation

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's this Romanian again
                Say hi to Dennis for me

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's a feint
                >a gesture of goodwill
                >we're pausing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >destroying our ammo dumps didn't stop us from shelling
                >we just don't want to shell right now
                Operational feints aren't real idiot

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What are the dots? Ex supply depots?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's the reddit legion

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stop posting maps of all those house fires!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this guy is so ugly inside, im not even mad at him.
                I want to comfort him. Be the friend/brother for him he never had.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Honestly though military logistics always fascinated me, just how much fucking coordination was needed. It reminded me of football on steroids, everything on the play having to go perfectly or the whole thing went to hell.

            Before the war you had posts about how Russian formations had better, longer ranged artillery and would easily beat US forces in a ground war.

            Now we know how to cripple even the Chinese. Annihilate their logistical system.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >NOW we know
              no, everyone has always been aware that destroying an enemy's supplies hurts them. there's a whole chapter about it in the art of war, a chinese book written thousands of years ago

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                as we all know, chinese are masters of war.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you mentally retarded?
                >"I'm the first person to ever come up with this idea!"
                >"actually, the chinese (and everyone else) already knew about it thousands of years ago"
                >"lmao who cares, the chinese are shit at war, why would I take their advice?"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly in a war, who would have won? The Chinese Dynasties or the Muslim Caliphates?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It depends hugely on which of these, when, and where they were fighting. Both would have looked totally different if they bordered the other anyway.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tang Dynasty vs Abbasid Caliphate. They're the only ones who fought (Battle of Talas).

                Full-scale war this time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In that battle, China lost BTW, lol. They got sold out by allies who defected to the Abbasids.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                China has literally never won a war, it even manages to lose its civil wars somehow. No, they didn't beat Japan. Imperials basically abandoned them to die.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                China's big problem was that it was extremely elitist compared to the Muslim empires, which were more egalitarian. And their merit exam system was designed for PENCIL-PUSHERS, not drafted troops.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >quoting ching chong as experts of war
                >gets btfo
                >yeah but the tactic is good hurr durr
                then you don't need to brag about reading a chinese pamphlet, retard. that's the point.

                >mass reply
                This is how you tell it's not a paid shill, just an actual retard

                >has no arguments, resorts to mindless ramblings

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >just how much fucking coordination was needed.
              The scale as well. A column of military vehicles like what Russia sent to Kiev at the beginning of the war would be sucking towns along the way dry of their gas if they relied on civilian infrastructure rather than having their own supply lines. Tanks suck down around 10x as much gas as a tractor trailer, a bit more or less depending on the tank.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia's big problem is they're addicted to mass warfare without the competence to pull off mass logistics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're all about APPEARING strong.

      They know the average normie and idiot thinks "tanks, airplanes!" when they think of what's the most important thing in war. So, russia shilled planes, tanks and other shit that looks cool but wil not change a war.

      No one outside of people "in the know" would give a flying fuck about a boring new artillery system

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russians are fucking idiots who have no concept of a simple axiom.

        >"You run out of supplies, you can't fight anymore."

        Ukraine takes out the supply system, and Russia's entire house of military cards collapses.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >russia will give up any day now!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, what happened to the cope paint up north? Pray tell, where did it go?

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              Anonymous
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                Anonymous
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                Anonymous
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                Anonymous

                >in my opinion russia lost the battle of kyiv on purpose as a joke
                ok, good stuff

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cheer up, they're gonna try again like fucking morons.

                https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/07/24/lavrov-confirms-moscows-plans-for-regime-change-in-ukraine

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                STAHP

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"It's over Putin! I have the HIMARS!"
                >"You underestimate my butthurt!"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Lavrov confirms Moscow's plans for regime change in Ukraine
                Interesting... why would they feint if this was always the plan?
                They... no... they weren't lying when they said it was a feint, were they? They weren't just pretending because they got blown the fuck out, right? RIGHT??

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"Let's move our depots out of range while charging to Kyiv! Nothing will go wrong! Our supply lines will be 7 hours long!"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >two more weeks until our convey reaches the end of the supply line

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The 40-mile convoy's going to look short compared to the new ones, lol.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it was literally a basic mongol tactic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Keef was a feint
                It wasn't. The VehDehVeh can attest to that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nope. see

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnwU4nDim6Q

                it was literally a basic mongol tactic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No.

                #t=956

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you didn't watch it.
                you're a bitch moron linking gamer "analysis".

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Simply no. "Keef was a feint" is pathetic vatnik cope, and the more you insist it was the more hilarious and ridiculous you become.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron, you linked a gamer analyzing russia's logistics.
                talk about being ridiculous. :))

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it's called "being right".
                If you had a real argument you would've posted it by now rather than shooting the messenger. Kyiv was no feint, and Russia got *annihilated*.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's called being a clown doubling down on his stupidity.
                you could stop but then again you are an autistic tard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                look at him go

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hahahaha. Get it, It's a baitpost

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty much this. We're seeing this with Kherson in real-time. It's not the first 96 hours of the war level of logistics collapse, but it's straining Russian logistics to its limits there.
          It's a very slow chokehold, and it's not gonna get any better since Ukraine will now soon have 20 HIMARS. With 20 they can begin striking smaller ammo and vehicle dumps. Every night.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also with the bridges damaged, Kherson's defenders cannot properly resupply.

            My guess? They'll say, "Fuck orders" and surrender. I don't see the Vatniks deciding to commit mass suicide by letting themselves become trapped with dwindling supplies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        normies think rocket artillery is boring until they see it firing because it just looks like a normal truck until the missile massacre starts

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO: I know! How about another joke, vatnik?
    vatnik: No, I think we’ve had enough of your jokes.
    NATO: What do you get...
    vatnik: I don’t think so.
    NATO: ... when you cross a military that's shit at OPSEC and logistics with an advanced Western artillery system with pin-point accuracy?
    vatnik: Call the FSB, Shoigu, call the troll farm!
    NATO: I’ll tell you what you get! You get what you fucking deserve!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Underrated post.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia's defeat is inevitable. As the Russians are forced to pull back, the HIMARS will begin to move forward. It's a vicious cycle.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably a bit of both. While seeing Russia's performance has been a massive disappointment, a truck mounted weapon system that can strike about the entire distance that the enemy can handle between stops in their supply lines, then drive away before it can be hit by counter battery fire in the event that the enemy has those capabilities is a ridiculous advantage.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The 5 stages of ukrainian wunderwaffe:

    Stage 1: The "Leak". INVINCIBLE SUPERWEAPON """leaked""" to press

    Stage 2: The Reaction. Media & /uhg/ trannies all hail the weapon as an invincible doomsday device that Russia stands no chance against. Lots of "sky is falling" and declarations of ukrainian resurgence.

    Stage 3: The Interim. Stories start to leak out regarding issues and marginal results. Doesn't get much notice.

    Stage 4: The Downgrade. The West quietly states that less will be sent than previously announced, or that the device will have to be modified to the new battlefield conditions (whatever the fuck that means).

    Stage 5: The Cancellation. The West quietly cancels the device shipment. Stage 1 for new device few months later.

    >bayraktar
    >javelin
    >switchblade
    >stinger
    >m777
    >pzh2000/krab
    >himars <---you are here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      babe, wake up! new leftypol cope!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >babe, wake up! new leftypol cope!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >gay country
          >absolutely humiliating Russia
          Wow.
          Have you considered how bad that makes Russia look?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >de facto loses sea access
            >a quarter of the territory under russian control
            crimea has fresh water
            >ukraine has no industry left
            >ukraine has no money left
            >ukraine is on life support and a net drain on the west
            winning bigly!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And russia still cant beat them lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                russia is winning

                >bayraktar
                still kicking and killin' vatniks
                >javelin
                we still get videos pretty often
                >switchblade
                weekly videos
                >m777
                seething vatniks post the same two destroyed m777 hourly
                >himars
                seething vatniks are so desperate to destroy it that they fake videos and claim every truck to be a himars

                delusional

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no argument

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>no argument

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no argument

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The irony is that Dyatlov was the delusional one and even denied that there was graphite on the ground after having directly stated at it himself. Nice own goal there in yet another prototypical 1986 Soviet style.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >russia is winning
                Repeating something won't make it true anon

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Crimea does not have access to fresh water, the "captured" pumps are little more than scrap heaps

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone can hold a gun, doesn't matter who you fuck and how you do it. Existential threats does wonders for the willingness to fight.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why aren't these military age males on the frontline?
          who is getting these fags out of conscription?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It would be so easy to type the title of the Screenshot in quotation marks in Google. Or to Screenshot the image and do a reverse image search. And see, that the article is from 2019.

            It would be so easy to verify, yet you fall for Russian disinformation time and time again.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >losing to this

          Embarrassing for Russia

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            russia has been winning for the start.
            ukrainians just camp in the cities.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russia literally doesn't have a future because they've shown how pathetic they are in this war.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Word of advice Russia. Don't do invasions if you fucking suck at them.

              This whole "Blow everything up" shit you do only works if your logistical system isn't annihilated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >logistical system isn't annihilated
                is this the new cope?
                obvious question arises: why aren't the campers taking back the territory?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You mean like how they retook the territory north of Kiev and the territory of Kharkiv? Are you daft?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they didn't fight in kiev, though.
                the russians came.
                and the russians left.
                there was no ukrainian counteroffensive.
                in kharkov russians are still where they were.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know why the Russians left Kiev? Because their logistics couldn't supply the damned front in large part from Ukrainian disruption ops. What is HIMARS doing? Severely disrupting Russian logistics. Further, the Russians lost Kharkiv due to Ukrainian pressure and possibly logistical strain. Forcing an opponent to retreat due to your own actions isn't "camping" and is very much "taking back territory".

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >ukrainians just camp in the cities.
              And you get pushed off it repeatedly. Embarrassing
              You don't see Americans whining like this about Fallujah

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with your post is that the "you are here" meme only works when the list keeps going to some conclusion. There is no predictable conclusion here because HATO is toying with Russia using Ukraine as a testbed for its various new weapons

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nato has been arming and training ukraine for 8 years.
        as a result ukraine is losing.
        trust the plan.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bayraktar
      still kicking and killin' vatniks
      >javelin
      we still get videos pretty often
      >switchblade
      weekly videos
      >m777
      seething vatniks post the same two destroyed m777 hourly
      >himars
      seething vatniks are so desperate to destroy it that they fake videos and claim every truck to be a himars

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek your whole northern front collapsed and you got chased all the way back to the Donbas. You've lost almost 5000 vehicles, your flagship has been sunk, you've lost hundreds of senior officers, your defense minister was wounded in action (LMFAO) and might actually be dead or disfigured considering he hasn't been seen since the attack, you can't operate any aircraft behind Ukrainian lines and you're now fighting for control of the same region you had a foothold in since 2014. I'd say those weapons have worked pretty well lol.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        somehow the army moved back to belarus intact, instead of being destroyed..you know...like you would expect a defeated army's fate would be.
        curiously, they managed to go all the way to the south in donbas.
        weird.

        Shouldn't you be with the chud lovers and pedos in /chug/?

        shouldn't you?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >shouldn't you?
          /chug/ is Russia dick sucking central. You tell me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you know what's going on there.
            you're the expert.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >intact
          It was a massacre, despite Ukraine lacking the mechanized forces to properly pursue them.
          Worst of all were the instances of friendly fire, or of frontline elements retreating into minefields laid down by their artillery support.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, the only massacre you morons bitch is bucha. is that where the russians lost??

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              he meant it was a massacre on the russian army, not civilians, i know its a hard to grasp concept for a vatnik, but sometimes the enemy is an actual army, not civilians.
              regarding this massacre the victim was the russian army attacking kiev and in the process losing 30% of its individuals.
              I know again, for a vatnik the army after that was still "intact" since getting murdered for a crazy dictator is so common in great mother russia that you have it in your DNA already.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the victim was the russian army
                >it's YOUR fault I have to beat you for stepping outside the kitchen
                You're Russian all right.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i think you should read my post again stupid.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Decoding ESL speech is too much effort, Vatnik.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i guess youre just too stupid then that I making fun of russia and the vatniks.
                godspeed anon

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >continues to babble in ESL

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the army moved back to belarus intac
          The Moskva returned to port under her own power.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's in port? cool.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              currently undergoing underwater towing by crabs
              trust the plan Z

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, under the zee

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Intact
          Russia was blowing up their own equipment when it broke down when they retreated. That's not an organized retreat that's a rout.

          When the T-72 in front of you breaks down so you shell it with the T-72 behind it because you don't have time to send a mechanic to repair it, that means you're running like hell.

          That's what a defeated army does.

          Russia was defeated in the North being defeated doesn't mean every single soldier was killed because not even Ukraine had enough dead Vatnik storage, but when you can no longer do offensive operations and you realize that the only thing you'll get if you continue attacking is more death without any hopes of success, your operation was defeated.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if equipment was destroyed then how did ukrainians get the infinite tanks from russia?
            I thought that ukraine basically captured intact russia's tanks.
            which one is it?

            so where is the massacre proof? where are the tens of thousands of dead bodies? the immense equipment captured?

            lol

            https://i.imgur.com/4Km0Te3.jpg

            The irony is that Dyatlov was the delusional one and even denied that there was graphite on the ground after having directly stated at it himself. Nice own goal there in yet another prototypical 1986 Soviet style.

            >is delusional
            >calls the other delusional in order to claim sanity
            you're not getting out of this one, chungus.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >equipment must be all destroyed or all captured, it couldn't possibly be some of each
              In psychiatry this is referred to as black and white thinking, and is one of the primary symptoms of autism

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ok psycho on the internet, clean up your ideas.
                was the russian equipment:
                a. destroyed
                b. captured by the majestic ukrainian army.

                all while the russians with their equipment moved back to belarus and then to the south.

                basic information doesn't make me an expert, it just means i don't look like a schizophrenic retard when I start screeching about transvestites.

                I mean, do you expect me to take you seriously, transvestite?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >clean up your ideas
                There's nothing to clean up, you're just a completely incompetent ESL. He already stated:
                >black and white thinking

                A good bunch of equipment was left behind simply because the Russians ran out of fuel, like during the Convoy-of-Kyiv saga:
                >bunch of trucks with nothing but ammunition
                >so many trucks it becomes over 40 miles long
                >retards forget to bring fuel with them
                >convoy just stalls
                >in winter
                >two days later the food is running out
                >refuse to elaborate further
                >leave

                On the other hand we also have tanks where no Ukrainian troops could've been present to account for destroyed tanks they found in the field, strongly suggesting that when someone actually competent was present and the order to retreat came they'd try to make sure that as little as possible was going to fall into Ukrainian hands.

                I'm sure it's 6 million.

                >6 million
                That's the amount of artillery shells you've lost due to Ukrainians blowing up your warehouses. Meanwhile you've lost over 40K soldiers, not counting the wounded or deserted - they're just gone.
                >inb4 inflated Ukrainian numbers
                Not only are they consistent with previous numbers the Ukrainians have published, but considering that whenever they contact Russian families to inform them that their little Vatnik has bitten the dust they always have some sort of proof - yes, I believe them. Besides, what other numbers are there? If the Russian numbers about Ukrainian losses in the first couple _weeks_ were true the entirety of the Ukrainian army would be fighting with sticks and stones by now.
                >inb4 muh HATO supplies
                The Ukrainians mostly got ammunition. Heavier systems like HIMARS are deployed in small numbers only:
                https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
                >8 mobile ground surveillance radars
                >3 Panzerhaubitzen 2000
                >3 multiple rocket launchers MARS with ammunition
                >3 Armoured Recovery Vehicles*
                But also
                >100,000 hand grenades
                >7.944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                False Dilemma Fallacy, you're saying it has to be 100% destroyed or 100% captured.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            please stop replying to this fagot, i think the gets payed by (you)s.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if you are forced to retreat from your objective but some of you escape, it wasn't a defeat
          Said no military strategist ever

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but some of you escape
            >some of you
            >whole army
            >that was sent to the south immediately afterwards

            the FSIN hires you

            is that your organization?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the attack on Kyiv failed to take the city but they didn't take any casualties, everyone retreated safely and they're all just fine and we'll be hearing from them any day now, they're just busy you see, phone signal is bad over there and they have to be careful about communication
              It's starting to sound like you knew someone involved and you can't accept they're dead

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're trying to strawman me, which isn't nice.
                of course there were some casualties.
                I never said they were not.
                probably a marginal group.
                you're the one with the maximalist rhetoric.
                that it was the masscare and no one made it out alive.

                You know why the Russians left Kiev? Because their logistics couldn't supply the damned front in large part from Ukrainian disruption ops. What is HIMARS doing? Severely disrupting Russian logistics. Further, the Russians lost Kharkiv due to Ukrainian pressure and possibly logistical strain. Forcing an opponent to retreat due to your own actions isn't "camping" and is very much "taking back territory".

                they left (not masscared, I'm glad you agree) because the south was secured.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not masscared, I'm glad you agree
                Nice strawman; nobody claimed this.
                >because the south was secured
                Holy cope. You don't use large amounts of VDV, Russia's modern armor, and significant numbers of Russia's limited contract forces in a feint. Kiev was an utter rout and embarrassing failure of the Russian military.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cheap drones and bog standard post-cold western equipment are now superweapons from russian perspective
      Kek
      e
      k

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You’re so retarded u been shilling this narrative for a while I know this must a Glowie poster

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bayraktar
      >javelin
      >stinger

      Can't find the stage with Kyiv feint (enemy retreats from 50% of the occupied territory).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >PrepHoleope this
        Was wondering when someone was going to get that on a shell

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Before the war you had posts about how Russian formations had better, longer ranged artillery and would easily beat US forces in a ground war.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russian formations had better, longer ranged artillery
      they do, they just have no idea how to use it apparently

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We were running on the assumption russian artillery would be accurate. Turns out it's not and that's why himars looks like space tech because it actually hits what it aims for.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While we're on the topic of logistics, how the fuck has the US been so good at it since WW2?? Even back then they had dedicated refrigerated ships specifically to get ice cream to soldiers in the Pacific

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically:

      That and sheer economics of scale. We caught on that logistics win wars, and grew to prize it in spite of assholes like Heinlein mocking it. I like "Starship Troopers" but it always shafted Logistics. You cannot fight a war against "Muh Bugs" without a supply chain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because the us despite its faults has an amazing beauracracy that gives two shots about making sure everysoldier has boots , ammo, and a toothbrush. Why? Because every single one of those is produced by government contract by a business that the government paid for and if they pay for a fucking burger king truck it better as fuck be able to get to fuck nowhere Afghanistan by air or the taxpayer will come asking questions

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Addendum

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        o sayyyy can you shaaart
        in loocaaallll walmaaaarrrt

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >supposed to be a diss
        >shows American air superiority and logistics their soldiers can even get fresh burgers on the other side of the globe while Russians eat expired MREs 20km from home

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I always see people post this like it's bad. That's awesome. We're so fucking powerful we can just ship a whole ass burger truck by air for shits.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Having two oceans to protect the mainland keeps you from having to worry about your shit getting blown up so you can focus on ice cream ships.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which soldier could be in better mood, the one with burger and ice cream or the one with a letter to loot ukraine?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you are protected by two of the biggest oceans on earth while having almost unlimited resources, it is really not hard plopping up factories in random open fields without having to be worried about them getting bombed or supply chains disrupted by combos of resource strains/infrastructure destruction/key factories burning down.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which is why Europe's lack of logistic ability puzzles me. It should be more important to them.

        Pic unrelated.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Americans tend to forget the US is the odd one here. It is the only country that can still do a full scale invasion/occupation everywhere on this planet for spreading them freedoms. Europeans dont see the need for that, since no colonies anymore. If they ever need some (extra) airlift capability, they can use some pooled planes under European air transport command and from NATO. Europeans use road and rail to move their stuff around on the continent and thats perfectly fine

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russian infrastructure wasn't threatened before the invasion, they have basically every resource and even now the only stuff threatened is right on the Ukrainian border. And yet Russian logistics are terrible.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it is really not hard plopping up factories in random open fields without having to be worried about them getting bombed or supply chains disrupted by combos of resource strains/infrastructure destruction/key factories burning down.
        That's not why we're good at logistics, that's BECAUSE we're good at logistics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Having two oceans to protect the mainland keeps you from having to worry about your shit getting blown up so you can focus on ice cream ships.

      winning WW2 kinda helps.
      If Germany won WW2, they too would have great logistics with hubs all over the world

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They weren't just trucking ice cream in, they were making it in converted concrete-making barges

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nothing works up an appetite for ice cream like a huge pile of jap corpses

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh logistics!
      LMAO ofcoarse Amerifatts would ship ice creamover seas instead of war winning equipment, thats why you lost Afghanistan, and Why russias winning in Ukraine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Impressive.

        With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the West and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and global peace for the Russian bear, which promises to stand in sharp contrast to the historically inconvenient ascent of Western democracy and its cruel limitations on the oligarchs of the world. The blessings of sugar payment plans, Slava class submersible cruisers, quantum Mach 1000 mallbuster missiles, Poseidon tsunami torpedo mockups, and S-400 self-homing air defense systems will be the instruments by which Russia affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers non-Western oligarchs a different option: an illiberal alternative to the hassles of Western democracy and the opportunity for a more profitable and secure multilateralism

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you have like 2 logistics soldiers for every 1 fighting soldier. Back in Nam it was like 5 logistics for every 1 fighting.
      The US likes logistics.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be fat American who likes burger
    >build your whole conception of war to be based around all soldiers getting burger
    >turns out this is the Uber-secret method for winning all wars
    >worlddomination.exe

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is overrated
    HIMARS is working exactly as advertised (long range and accurate missiles).

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mobile long range, high precisions firepower meets the worlds most over-centralized and archaic army and logistics. It is a match made in heaven.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reality is that Himars is overrated as fuck
    It's just a crappy gmlrs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, it's not just a truck launching small rockets.
      it's a fucking wonder weapon!
      russia doesn't have this technology!
      himars will kill putin.
      slava ukraiiiini!

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >/pol/acks start posting pride parades
    Ok, don't care, how does that make any place with pride parades worse than russia

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Beyond the rockets themselves, HIMARS' brilliance is in the loading mechanism, while you need something that preferable has a crane of sorts to lug the cassettes around the launcher itself can pick them up and load itself.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    M270 ATACMS would literally blow anything the russians have to pieces.
    But washington doesn't want the ukrainians to have the upper hand

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia announces goal is yet AGAIN REGIME CHANGE, lol.

    So much for the Russian military now.

    https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/07/24/lavrov-confirms-moscows-plans-for-regime-change-in-ukraine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seriously PrepHole, how fucking stupid is this? The Vatniks can barely advance in the East NOW, and they want to try to take over the entire country again?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are confident that with the UK having it's regularly scheduled political crysis and vatnik assets getting ready to implode Italy, the west will finally kneel and let Ukraine be taken.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Agreed with the above anon, it was the exact right weapon at the exact right time. I really wasn't expecting this level of impact. I've taken a "doubtful till proven" view of all of these weapons we've sent their way. The NLAWs and Javelins did pretty well in the early stages because Russians constantly Leeroy'd big armored columns through thin roads and into towns and cities. The M777s didn't do much because by that time Russian doctrine had switched to mass artillery spam by longer range MLRS and air strikes.
    But this really is exactly what they needed, and i'm not sure what the Russian counter will be. Obviously they need to rethink logistics, but there will be transition paints even if they find a solution. And that solution will probably be worse than the pre-HIMARS setup of just having big ass depots with everything nearish to the front.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Obviously they need to rethink logistics
      How much can they really do though? They couldn't even get tanks to Kiev without their logistics imploding, and that's also about the effective range of HIMARS with the rockets Ukraine is being supplied with.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You just know the Ukrainians are going to make a primitive little HIMARS of their own, eventually. It'll be cute.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They already made the Uragan technical, you are too late.
        (it's a pickup truck with 3 MRLS pipes)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm so glad the Ukraine War brought Europe the Technical concept. Technicals are far too much fun to confine to Africa and the Middle East.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >keep bombing all russian ammo depots and/or make them unreliable and they cant shell the country into submission anymore like in severodonetsk
    i just realized how golden this strat is in stalling them for so long

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russians are overconfident idiots. They thought, "Let's just shell them all the time! They'll never ask the West for a weapon that can wipe out our logistics!"

      Russia's out of tricks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia's out of tricks.
        They still have 6000 nukes they should think about testing though

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nukes aren't a trick. They're basically an admittance of defeat at this point, since it means they wouldn't be able to win any other conventional way.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why aren't nukes flying then? Russians are just pathetic.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >WE NOOOK, NOOOK OOOK OOOK BANAN
          These nuclear threats were boring months ago putin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if the west keeps feeding them HIMARS then they have basically snuffed out any hope for a major russian offensive for the forseeable future, the real hard part of the war is taking back the occupied territories since it has been fortified for a few months now and the russians are doing everything to secure them into the federation proper

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem for Russia in the occupied territories is the same problem it faces on everything. With its logistics being shot to hell, it doesn't have the supplies to defend for long.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Feeding them HIMARS seems to be the winning solution, but Ukraine and the whole of the civilized world just needs to hope that the US can train Ukrainian operators to use HIMARS fast enough for the pressure to be maintained. Eventually Russia's top brass might just completely say fuck it and order the whole military to advance anyways even while it's raining missiles, but should Ukraine pressure them long enough for the US to complete more training sessions, that rain will become a lot thicker and more frequent. It may very well completely shut down Russia should Ukraine have enough in their possession unless Russia gets its Air Force together, which is a GIGANTIC if at this point.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so ummm where is the russian air force supposed to be to bomb this thing when its pummeling their offensive capability?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boy, stirred up some vatmoron shills KEK.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russians really don't like to be called a joke military, lol.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So my dad thinks the Russians have captured 4 HIMARS, how do I explain to him that's bullshit?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Show him the video the Russians made "proving" that they destroyed a HIMAR. If he believes it then just use a pillow after he goes to sleep

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain to him the Russians are too retarded for that. Or is he one of those Russians living in a western country and spends all day watching Russian propaganda?

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how can russian army be overrated, we have underground tank technology

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why were HIMARS incapable of stopping Russia from taking over the lands they said they would take?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because Ukraine didn't have any you dumb cunt

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lockheed Martin shills are still working the HIMARS propaganda on PrepHole

    LOL

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HIMARS

    GHOST OF HIMARS DESTORYS RUSSIA

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if i claim its fake then its fake despite the location being geolocated to behind Russian lines
      ok!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The classic
      Vodkamorons really need change up their tactics to something new so it's less familiar

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russian shills are pathetic. I honestly hope this guy actually is Russian or at least a paid shill, because if he's a s*rb and doing it for free, then it's just sad.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Poster above me is so mad

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the more it hurts, the more they shill.
      And since they are vatniks, they cant adapt their strategy.
      its like playing chess against your 5yo nephew.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This weapon is extremely effective /because/ Russian airpower is pathetic. If they had air supremacy they'd be all blown up in a week, something most analysts were accounting for when downplaying them. They aren't even this amazing super weapon, they are just being allowed to operate unhindered.

    It would be like if the US sent 30 Abrams and the Russians had no effective anti-tank weapons.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can pantsir and Tor intercept the rockets that Ukrainians at mach 2.5?? I don't know all the types of rockets by hand because there are too many.
    Using s400 would be self defeating considering the cost of sucj missiles

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrop gays sucking American cock on suicide watch

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it you can always recognise Vatniks by them mentioning dick sucking?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're gay.

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