This is a russanons plan for the Russian Airforce, highly creative. Btw this is google translated from the Russian equivalent to k.
Russian idea to conduct CAS
This is a russanons plan for the Russian Airforce, highly creative. Btw this is google translated from the Russian equivalent to k.
I am assuming when it translated to "maize" russanon is referring to crop dusting aircraft. Is his idea good? Also "human life is priceless", lmao.
>I am assuming when it translated to "maize" russanon is referring to crop dusting aircraft.
WW2's Polikarpov Po-2 had the nickname Кyкypyзник (Kukuruznik), from the Russian word kukuruza meaning maize/corn.
The same nickname was adapted later to Antonov An-2.
Both of these planes were adapted to serve the role of crop dusting aircraft.
Most accurate translation of Kukuruznik would be something like Maizer or Corner (morphology analogous to fish -> fisher which in russian would be ryba -> rybak).
But yeah, google translate translates kukuruznik as maize.
Modern electronics and munitions would still be expensive, modern air defense are even more capable against these, and a slow low flying prop plane is an easy target for javelins and stingers. Not to mention, the tooling and expertise to make these are probably not extant in Russia today and would require at least a year to even begin manufacture. So no, stupid idea. Also Gepards would eat these alive.
*Wirblewind
I swear every single day someone gets the idea that military aircraft are too expensive and we should go back to '40s or '50s planes but with a tablet in the cockpit
But this one's more funny, because instead of p51 he says la-5 and il-2, it's the more exotic foreign retardation. Same concept different culture.
isnt that what The A-29 Super Tucano is? a turboprop with all kinds of shit shoved in that are still mega cheap.
One has a fucking ejector seat, the others don't.
This is gonna cause so many dead vatniks I'm gonna fucking cum please do it
He said lives are priceless, air infantry will be afforded parachutes.
>Have to fly low due to AA, hell, even AAA
>Parachute
Great.
Yeah but it's literally made for strafing cartel bases and taking down cocaine mules flying Cessnas. Not flying over a warzone with active air defense.
why the fuck isnt russia pumping out HINDs? they make them for the export market. do they even have any anti-drone countermeasures for helicopters?
oh yeah, their oligarchs sold all the shit to make everything. I know because my rich as fuck uncle tried to get HINDs imported from the first flight he could get into moscow after the coup in 91. he said russia has its head shoved so far up its ass it came out its own head. absolutely ass backwards and corrupt. he paid 5x in bribes as he spent buying entire runs of vacuum tubes and roljot watches.
its meant for hugging the treeline and poppin up behind a bro like *Teleports Behind You* PSSSH, Nothing Personal, Kid....
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>why the fuck isnt russia pumping out HINDs?
The Hind is actually one of their shortest range helicopters. There is a reason the Ka-52 was used so extensively over other platforms.
There was that independent project that jurry rigged ww2 planes for Vietnam service.
> mega cheap
Unit cost of $27 million for the ones Biden gifted to the Taliban:
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2018/09/05/afghanistan-a-29-super-tucano-1-8-billion-contract-us-air-force-sierra-nevada/
>retard thinks that program cost equals unit cost if you divide
> We don't need a program. We just need the planeskies!
Cheap piston planes are the future
They even had the Russian equivalent to a Pierre sprey copypasta and long thread. The only difference being instead of the Bradley it's the.... Bmp-3. They make fun of Soviet procurement. They also call cannons "dick". So they say "hot dick". Or they how BMP 3 is useless because it is aluminum and only farts out atgms.
>Modern warfare demands 80 year old planes
Lol
It would get a lot of russians killed and be absolutely hilarious, so I 100% support this idea.
Also guaranteed at least one of them would suffer malfunction, land in a field in UA controlled territory and be hauled off by a tractor.
6 months to train new pilots? that worked wonders for japan in world war 2
They aren't pilots, umm they are air i-infantry. YES! Air infantry, something completely different and new comrade. We will finally be able to defeat Ukraine, I-I mean highly trained HATO forces.
Well this guys just like you or me, only he's Russian. He enjoys spending time on a silly forum and he posts his very good ideas there. In short he is having a good time.
I'm legitimately gonna turbo autist make a stealth spitfire and you can't stop me.
Is there any reason why a stealthed up prop wouldn't work? (Other than not being fast, I mean by geometrically).
Mostly it's an issue cause it's made of wood not composite, and the propeller is on the front.
If it wasn't for the propeller (Let us hypothetically pretend they do not fuck with stealth) they absolutely would work if you had it angled right, though general engine efficiency has increased significantly since the griffon engine so you'd probably be able to fit a smaller engine for the same HP, or a much beefier engine to make up for the loss of aerodynamics.
So make it out of composite, it'd be stronger even, angle it properly and you can make anything have a smaller radar footprint.
Yea right, I'm think a low observability heavyweight stealth prop would be great for cas/recon cheap and feul efficient aswell.
I wouldn't call them viable, but they're pretty fun to theorise, and considering how cheap they can be they make cost effective drones for now too, though I imagine small jet engines might start getting cheap af with 3d metal printing so I don't see it staying viable forever.
And if we can crack miniaturised rotation detonation for light UCAVs, man that ISP would be baller.
(you)
I swear you autistic spregs ruin every thread. WHICH PART OF MY FUCKING SENTANCE IS MEANT TO REPRESENT AGREEMENT WITH STATEMENT?
and here i was thinking that modern warfare demanded that you fly SEAD missions with purpose built aircraft
azeris had pilots bail out of old biplanes to try to waste enemy missiles but for russia its people are worth less than the price of a metal rod to hold the yolk in place
yoke*
>Return to cheap front-line aviation with rapid training of pilots"
I hate this argument. Planes were still expensive as fuck back in WW2 and pilot training still took a long time too (if you wanted them to survive more than a week anyway). Its like giving a Sopwith camel to a pilot with 2 weeks training and sending him into the battle of Britain just because it's cheaper than a spitfire.
British pilots got 10 hrs of training before being sent into combat at the height of the battle of Britain...
Desperate time innit?
Why would these work when Hinds can't?
Hinds are more expensive than an il-2, more maintenance heavy aswell.
If we're talking costs then we're talking stupid plans that won't work, if Hinds get wrecked so will these IL-2 modernizations, any modern GTA system from even the cold war invalidates WW2 planes hence why no modern military considers them for near peer.
My idea to send stealth shaped spitfires doesn't sound so silly now does it.
Does dipshit not realize that even if they did have some wwii planes still lying around somewhere that they haven't been flown for the better part of a century?
There are two airworthy IL2's in Russia, and 9 (including later variants) in display in museums in Russia. One display model in Serbia.
The UK has two (One flight worthy), and the US has 3 (One flightworthy)
An La-5 wreck is in storage at the Military Aviation Museum in Virginia Beach, Virginia, there are no other variants that I know of.
The UK and the USA could Lendlease the Ukrainians just as many as the Russians could field.
>There are two airworthy IL2's in Russia, and 9 (including later variants) in display in museums in Russia
I seriously doubt the numbers are that low. That's just the ones noteworthy enough to bother listing somewhere.
Unlike the U.S., the Soviets didn't destroy perfectly good airframes after WW2 just to protect their MIC and civilian aircraft manufacturers from the huge overhang of surplus.
> the Soviets didn't destroy perfectly good airframes after WW2
No, instead they just stuck them out to rot
>Human life is priceless, so pilots will be given parachutes.
Beautiful.
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He isn't russian shill he is just autistic
Man I'm just in this thread to talk about monoprops and viability chill out
>viability
Imagine how viable is shittier version of Bayraktar with some alcoholic stapled to it, with thermal signature of fucking sun and some lame-ass weapons.
Yes, but also no.
Also the alcoholic and the "lame weapons" is the fun part.
how is the thermal signature of a piston engine like the fucking sun?
They're both warmer than a duck
so it's a witch
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Not him but why the fuck are you sperging about this, it's only gonna give them more traction dude
Is it some kinda refuge for you?
I just want to have normal discussion. Is this whole website filled with morons?
then just fucking ignore them my bro
giving (you)s just encourages more fuckng posts
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always has been
I am not a shill, I just think "different culture same culture" is very interesting, you know how on here slavshit is an obsession, but on dvatch m1 and m60 american stuff is the obsession. It's very cool toe that there is a Russian guy just like me across an ocean with the same interest and a similar thought process.
That's the board that had this huge draft evasion thread recently?
Dunno, I only go there occasionally for laughs. Like I said they also have spreypostimg, but for the it's the bmp-3 isn't that neato? Also they have flags on thier board, which I think is an improvement. They also have lots of vanilla stereotypes, some are pro Russian boomers who say hohol, others are liberal zoomers who want to improve the armed forces etc etc.
What's wrong with the BMP3? Seems like a decent ifv.
We'll the Bradley is decent too, but it seems for Russian is has same meme over engineered status, which I can understand.
Fin, as you can see it's just Russian spreyposting
bruh, just get some sleep
damn, it's pyotr spreylovich
Post SpreyBMP3
Already done, it's a series of screenshots of a whole multiparagraph story in the middle of the thread
that's the end, but just read the final paragraph, it's like Pentagon wars (Kremlin wars I guess) verbatim.
ShddA8
IL-2 costs a lot more than $100K. If it only cost $100K I'd buy one.
>That's the board that had this huge draft evasion thread recently?
Were they advising each other on how to evade, or ??
You are an idiot
It was posted in /po/ section which is their variant of 4chan and the comments there made fun of the original post too. The post itself might have been a shitpost too.
I didn't know, I am not super into that websites culture. I visit because sometimes I am interested. The post I saw was on thier weapons board. I believe you though.
Imagine being told your life is worth so little they're going to use you as a clay pidgeon to soak up surplus stinger missiles. But it's okay; we'll give you moth-eaten parachues.
I can't imagine that working on anyone but chinkoids.
>fifth-generation aircraft
In Ukraine? Can I see it?
its actually not the most awful plan, since ww2 planes have much better maneuverability at low speed than heavy jets do
>Hohols can't fly either because we fucked up all their planes
lol. lmao.
I think his discount Bayraktar's $100,000 cost estimate goes out the window when you cram in those modern electronics which Russia doesn't seem to have. Also if they had guided munitions to arm them those expensive Sukhoi's wouldn't be using dumb bombs.
A low cost aircraft like this wouldn't be a terrible idea if they could build it but it's not going to happen near as fast or as cheap as he thinks and using old WW2 fighter hulls is retarded.
> goes out the window when you cram in those modern electronics which Russia doesn't seem to have.
Also, the engines. As far as I’m aware, there’s not a single company that makes 1500+ horsepower piston aircraft engines from scratch. And if they do, it’s certainly not in quantities sufficient for military use. So you’d have to use a turboprop. In essence, you just made a Russian version of the Suoer
Tucano. Except it would cost more than the Tucano, because it’s not being powered by the small-block Chevy equivalent of the aircraft engine world
Surely AAA would just tear this shit apart.
What AAA? You mean anyone with small arms because going above 100 meters would be suicide?
AAA is not everywhere on the front anon. They'd get shot down as often as KA-50s by AAA imo.
Which is often enough for sure, but still.
Did you miss the Gepard deployment?
I think people over estimate AA's ability to clear the skies, both sides are making extensive use of Su-25's and attack helicopters 7 months into this war. Would these aircraft take casualties, over time yes but they would fly a lot of sorties before hand.
Of course actual WW2 fighters would be borderline useless as would a CAS aircraft without pgm's. I don't think Russia doesn't have the technology or capacity to quickly make a Super Tucano type aircraft and certainly not in the numbers needed.
They'd be better off putting that money into getting the air force they have left to work as it is supposed to, producing pgm's and trying to refurb aircraft in storage.
lolololol. Russian reformers have the problem that russian manufacturing was awful in the good old days and that modern Russia is probably worse at it than it ever was post ussr
>If you use a single engine plane, mounting radar becomes pain
>If you use twin engine, mounting missiles on the wings becomes a pain
Blohm & Voss, gomen...
>radar?
>whats a self-sealing fuel tank?
>dogfight kino maybe back on the menu
>feed me russians
Does dvach have some sort of archiver, like tbharchive/4plebs? I want to see that goldmine from feb/march
I don't really know how it works, but as a website it seems more "alive" than PrepHole. With its higher traffic it should have better or similar tools.
Some boards have built in archives, e.g. /wm/arch, and there is arhivach, but I'm pretty sure that's not a scraper, and someone has to manually save the thread there.
If only Russia still had lots of cheap ww2 era prop-planes this wouldn’t be a horrible idea.
I mean, they’re currently using helicopters with precision long range FLIR for pitching up and firing unguided rockets without even seeing the target and 50 million dollar planes with dumb bombs and rockets.
You’d be a whole lot more effective with just a basic prop-plane and rocket pods. Also way easier to evade missiles.
Tell me why I’m wrong
Propeller aircraft are not only extremely visible on radar but are very distinct. They wouldn’t be resistant to missiles at all and would be far more vulnerable to cannon SPAA which would shred them if used in any real capacity.
Just have the donbabweans fly then
Great troll post…
>cheap frontline aviation with rapid training of pilots
Real Volksjäger hours
Honestly it would fit the Russian war strategy of using a zerg rush of shitty near-obsolete units at your enemy in waves
>give a couple of these to ukraine.
Probelm solved.
No need to thank me.
>retard thinks CRAM is an AA gun
>I love that word REFOOOOORM
Stingers don't cost $200,000. Also all the Stingers Ukraine is getting were paid for in like 1978.
dont the ukrainians still have zsu-23s and gepards
i think those would shred such aircraft
give the F-82 to Ukraine with the gun pod
With this Russians retarded idea, we have an alternate reality where the greatest hits of WW2 are used in tandem with thermals. Prop dogfighting is back on the menu, a la Korea 2.0. the last age of the prop fighter will be in Ukraine.
they know
>it's beautiful, therefore it's effective
holy shit, Russkie absolutely DUNKING on sovlmorons
Retard here. Wouldn't a whole bunch of WW2 style fighters with MGs, operating outside Russia's AA envelope, be a cheaper viable defence against larger UAVs like the Iranian suicide drones?
I don't really see how it would be?
Getting some dude to fly takes more shit than just stuffing a drone controller inside a similar plane. That's without mentioning that the training and maintaining that same dude is additional constant cost.
I could see an argument for it if your country is such a shithole that it can't produce drone stuff so shoving a conscript inside a toy plane is the only option, but seriously, even africans can make drones.
No.
Curious, how would a mobile modern computer guided CIWS fare against ww2 prop planes?
Realistically, how hard and expensive would it be to put a remote piloting system into these old as fuck aircraft?
>motorized stick and throttle controls
>remote weapons release
>gauges converted to digital display
>one camera for flight, one for aiming
You manage one good hit with a bomb and it has massively returned on investment, granted the RC system cost less than $100K to implement.
>be to put a remote piloting system
Depending on quality and producer can go from couple hundred bucks to millions
>into these old as fuck aircraft
Well, that's tricker, but mostly because finding any of those in flying condition outside a museum would be a miracle in and itself. And if you are starting reproduction why not make it into an actual drone chassis while you are at it?
>just build a drone lmao
This is the obvious choice, but I have doubts Russia would be able to build acceptable drones from the ground-up at this point, where you could moron rig some remote flight controls with significantly greater ease.
>finding any of those in flying condition outside a museum would be a miracle in and itself.
This part escaped me. I keep forgetting Russia is far less concerned with keeping up old aircraft than other nations. I'm willing to bet the US could field a hundred or so P-51s if there was ever a need, but Russians can hardly keep up their currently fielded aircraft.
>russian equivalent to k
What's it like there right now? High levels of cope, or seeing the writing on the wall?
There are stereotypes like Russian Boers and retards but in general they are a small minority, in general it reads like a mostly Russian website. It is Frank and realistic, but also cynical. They talk about ways to fix thier army, I like it because it's a different kind of PrepHole. It isn't any more brainwashed or filled with dysinfo than here as far as I can tell. Give it a visit, your Google can autotranslate whole websites. Visiting dvatch has given me a good laugh more than once.
*Boomers
Armatard tier people generally get shut down pretty quick thier, called retards or schizos etc.
There's something charmingly retarded about russian posts translated to english
> Human life is priceless
this couldn't have been written by a vatmoron
Depends on your semantic perspective.
*brapapapapapapapapapa*
Training a pilot over several months costs less than $100,000? Poor people with more enthusiasm than brains
AND JUST FOR EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD, read this translated Russian spreyposting it's fucking hilarious.
Problem with dropping to 200mph is the time in skyline over any manpad (which always around CAS targets)is sufficient enough to get lock and fire. Hence jets even low never get manpad they've been and gone before lock and fire.
The A10 goes fast enough and is armoured enough to avoid and sustain manpad size hits. Operating as CAS in a small locality with heavy sead against larger buk etc that can down it, the A10 will have, in relation to the quantity of munitions it can drop per hour, with near front short runways, and its upgraded targeting pods on par with the advanced multirole jets, means the local air impact is unmatched and unresistable. With Ukraine showing harm usage on its rus shit, once this is demonstrated at creating an effective sead, Ukraine itself will need extra airplatforms to deliver CAS. So the requirements are more for Ukraine, since the USAF assign nil value to front line CAS, give half to Ukraine in lend lease so they can drop enough iron on the Russian lines