Retired Swedish military officers advocating for Archers in Ukraine

A whopping 12 of them.
https://www.dn.se/debatt/sverige-maste-snarast-skicka-artilleri-till-ukraina/
How would they perform if they were sent?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a bunch of fucking retards. what do they think they are gonna send in some legolas sniping elves from the lord of the rings or something? 1 dude with an ak could take down 100 archers in this day and age much less 12 of them. thats a death sentence

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your dwarf ass would love that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He doesn't know

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chuckled

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what do they think they are gonna send in some legolas sniping elves from the lord of the rings or something?
      well they're fighting orcs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Retired
    That's basically the trope for retired officers, they talk around.
    Anyway, I'm surprised they didn't send in the archers already. Having a stellar performance in a war is their only chance to sell this thing by now, so too many countries bailed out already. No army wants to do maintenance on the articulated hauler that carries the gun.
    I assume that must also be the reason why they didn't send them in already. They probably know the moment it breaks down, or gets a bad hit by shrapnel, it's over, and can't be realistically repaired in Ukraine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The new versions of Archer are based on the MAN truck actually, so they might get their pitch with the USA and Switzerland.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's over, and can't be realistically repaired in Ukraine

      This is honestly the dumbest take considering its based on a common commercial vehicle from a manufacturer that already has a dealer and service network in Ukraine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well yea that's true and all, but what if the damage occurs not on the vehicle, but on the FUCKING HUGE GUN attached to said vehicle?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then into the trash it goes just like all the other Western systems they've been supplied with will unless they have parts for it.
          There's no good reason to think they have spares for stuff like the caesar either.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's based on very ordinary and common articulated hauler. Why wouldn't it be serviceable?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of all the things that would be hard to do maintenance on you decide to talk shit about the hauler for some reason, which should be the easiest and cheapest thing to replace or repair.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >call local Volvo dealership
        >parts delivered next day
        >trained mechanics already on site.

        vs

        having to get parts from whatever truck the HIMARS is based on that has never been sold commercially in europe and no one has ever worked on.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No army wants to do maintenance on the articulated hauler that carries the gun.
      Well the industrial volvo dumper they mounted the gun to went out of production so the 24 or whatever we operate are the last and only to be in this configuration. Now they want to use a normal truck for the new guns being ordered since the war began, basically removing the cross terrain capability to the benefit of maintenance (and also the truck cabin looks like it has downs syndrome for some reason)

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sceptical about that. Sure it's a really good weapon but not much of a game changer than what the Caesar and Phz2000 were ultimately. It does the same thing, better for sure, but still the same and they can't send a significant number. A bit helpful but it will It add to the maintenance mess.
    Ukraine would be better off with more MLR/HIMARS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Better for sure
      The Caesar and Archer are light SPHs so you can make an argument about that.
      You can't compare it to the Pzh. 2k though, that's heavy armored all terrain artillery with almost thrice the magazine capacity and direct fire capability.
      >Ukraine would be better off with more MLR/HIMARS.
      The rocket launchers attack strategic targets while the tube artillery disrupts Russia's capability to use it's own.
      With Excalibur already present and Vulcano on the way, we could see the tube artillery perform both roles.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd say all three vehicles are quite different and fill different roles. Caesar is better for sustained fire while Archer would be better for shock and awe, being able to land a full magazine at the same exact moment.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every NATO SPG can do MRSI.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    start by sending the retired old fucks over there

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How would they perform if they were sent?
    All we know is they were turned back before the summer, IDK or they had some critical problem or were disabled by untrained crews

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any point in sending 12 of anything? Surely they need thousands of any given system to make a difference against Russia's armour and arty heavy approach?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't win the war. And it's a unit so small it wouldn't be worth selling for all the bureaucratic hassle. But it would clear Sweden's shelves a bit, give them some bonus points among NATO colleagues, and give the army a reason to ask for funds to buy something newer and better. Oh, you thought this was about Ukraine? Sadly, no.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >clear shelves
        >newer and better

        They just finish deliveries man, and 24 extra were ordered this year

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Won't win the war. And it's a unit so small it wouldn't be worth selling for all the bureaucratic hassle.
        This is what retards say after the umpteenth delivery of 155mm SPGs. You probably don't even know how many 155mm arty pieces are currently in Ukraine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Won't win the war. And it's a unit so small it wouldn't be worth selling for all the bureaucratic hassle. But it would clear Sweden's shelves a bit, give them some bonus points among NATO colleagues, and give the army a reason to ask for funds to buy something newer and better. Oh, you thought this was about Ukraine? Sadly, no.

      I love how vatniks try to decontextualize every weapon offer/delivery.
      >12 155mm SPG's from Sweden won't do anything!
      >18 155mm SPG's from France won't do anything!
      >18 155mm SPG's from Germany won't do anything!
      >18 155mm SPG's from Poland won't do anything!
      >20 155mm SPG's from Norway won't do anything!
      >20 155mm SPG's from Belgium won't do anything!
      >8 152mm SPG's from Slovakia won't do anything!
      >20 152mm SPG's from Czechia won't do anything!
      >20 122mm SPG's from Poland and the Czechs won't do anything!
      >130+ M777's from the US, UK & Canada(lol) won't do anything!
      >60 L118's from the UK won't do anything!
      No single one of these donations is enough to have any effect on the outcome!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No single one of these donations is enough to have any effect on the outcome!

        Well they aren't, mostly likely. Together they are formidable. But that wasn't what we were talking about, is it?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Going by this article interviewing ceasar operators, even 1 cold war-modern SPG from the west is worth like 18 Russian artillery guns (80k/d, zero deaths) and that was about a month into their deployment.
          https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-en-ukraine-des-artilleurs-ukrainiens-utilisent-des-armes-francaises_5180191.html
          If you could secure the delivery of many capable-enough SPGs for Ukraine they could absolutely grind Russia down as long as they received maintenance

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            LMAO
            Zelensky literally prohibited his troops from criticizing western weapons. So of course NATO gear is the best. 10000/0 KDR!
            Now send more, goyim!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Impressive.

              With this most recent achievement, fate has, in a single stroke, marked the decline of the West and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and global peace for the Russian bear, which promises to stand in sharp contrast to the historically inconvenient ascent of Western democracy and its cruel limitations on the oligarchs of the world. The blessings of sugar payment plans, Slava class submersible cruisers, quantum Mach 1000 mallbuster missiles, Poseidon tsunami torpedo mockups, and S-400 self-homing air defense systems will be the instruments by which Russia affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers non-Western oligarchs a different option: an illiberal alternative to the hassles of Western democracy and the opportunity for a more profitable and secure multilateralism

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But that wasn't what we were talking about, is it?
          It's exactly what we're talking about, but you need to ignore the broader context because you're unable to accept the implications.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're missing several dozen of M109s alone on the SPG list

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aren't those the Belgian and Norwegian SPH?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh right, my brain just read that as Belgian and Norwegian(rather than American from Belgium and Norway) for some reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you intentionally leave the FH70 out?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shit I forgot Italy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        isn't that like 1/10th of Russian firepower?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah and russia had 16000 tanks, what's your point?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          see

          Going by this article interviewing ceasar operators, even 1 cold war-modern SPG from the west is worth like 18 Russian artillery guns (80k/d, zero deaths) and that was about a month into their deployment.
          https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-en-ukraine-des-artilleurs-ukrainiens-utilisent-des-armes-francaises_5180191.html
          If you could secure the delivery of many capable-enough SPGs for Ukraine they could absolutely grind Russia down as long as they received maintenance

          Western SPG trades 13+ vatmoron guns per unit, you only need 10 to even the score. Then depending on how they're deployed, the localized numbers advantage would be too much and too intimidating

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, but Ukraine still has their own 155mm artillery that half of eastern Europe is currently manufacturing, and western systems are just better, by far.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes so they need more, we gotta keep sending them more arty and shells

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and yet here we are with Russia having conquered like a football field worth of land in the last 3 months.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't forget the boats with like 200 paladins on the way after the latest 3bill for the offensives

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >12 archers
    Only 12? Don't they need like 1000 at least? Also would they use explosive arrow?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Practically they'd want 18 to form a whole unit just like the PZH2000, Caesar and Krab.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Archer

    They didn't make that many of them iirc

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that would mean sending a quarter of the swedish artillery inventory so probably wont happen.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >A whopping 12 of them.

    Sweden has ordered a whopping 48 so its no less than 25% of them. And they arent much better than far cheaper french caesars, their on board magazine is tiny, so they have to be reloaded constantly. And pneumatic tires means they will end up stranded from running over bomblets or having the tires shredded by russian grenades exploding nearby.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >far cheaper french caesars
      It's funny that's also mounted to a Volvo group vehicle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Archer holds 21 shells and costs 4 million $
      Ceasar holds 18 shells costs 8 million $

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And they arent much better than far cheaper french caesars
      they can shoot and scoot faster which is what matters, they were designed entirely for a country like sweden where visibility is poor, manueverability is shit and the artillery radar could probably locate you to down to the road very easily
      The advantages and disadvantages get sort of flipped in Ukraine where visibility is greater, but you could go pretty much anywhere ontop of Russian spotting/response times being shit
      in the event you need to do hit-and-run, Archer is perfectly in the role for the job

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      French Caesars have about a dozen people milling around it, sitting ducks for drones and arty.
      In the Archer the crew does not leave the armored cockpit.

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