>in theory, can russia even capture mariupol?
captures mariupol >in theory, can russia even capture severo?
is gonna capture severo >can it...even hold mariupol?
holds mariupol
you see how this is going?
yeah very, very, very poorly for ukraine while you're still claiming russia is losing. it's quite fricking pathetic. ukrainians are retreating right now from sievero btw
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1540215947700670465
They are not using American weapons on Russia in their territory to avoid getting the US in a war. Otherwise they would have won a long time ago. Mean while Russia is somewhat getting slightly more organized because they literally have safe spaces to be in.
So I am saying the Ukrainians are holding back too much and it's going to cost them dearly.
And what happened to the Russian offensive capability in that region AFTERWARD?
The Russians were forced to go East.
I must also point out that holding a big pile of rubble is easy. It no longer has any strategic value to Ukraine, for frick's sake the Russians even DESTROYED the fricking factory there.
you're still harping on something that happened at the beginning of the fricking war moron. the russians are occupying the most resource rich parts of ukraine while controlling the port to the sea. it's over, it's a slow burn now while waiting for Ukraine to suffer. this is going to go on for years most likely, your two months, two days, two weeks nonsense will not last
>resource rich parts of ukraine
Which they cannot access, as they have destroyed the infrastructure. They are in effect salting the earth they have won.
What? They want to turn Mariupol into a resort town? In a sea with too many damned resort towns that is abysmally ugly in the first instance? As if that isn't a gigantic concession they've ruined a valuable industrial asset. Your posturing is meaningless. The Russians don't gain from the land because they have no choice but to destroy everything, and slaughter by conscription the human resources that knew how to utilise the local lands.
It's the same thing Russia did in 1941. Do a fighting retreat while destroying everything of value.
And Russia knows it and they know they can't do anything to stop it except maybe cry "It's so unfair Ukraine just left us rubble to conquer now our new slaves have nowhere to live!"
The Ukes are 100km away from Mariupol now. A week ago they were 150km away.
You see how this is going?
Ukrainian command set set the conditions for losing the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area yesterday. Just as they set the conditions for losing Severodonetsk a month ago.
You see how this is going?
Back in March, when there was a lot of press about the foreign weapons arriving in Ukraine, Ukrainian generals curtly pointed out that their big counter offensive wasn't going to happen until, at least, late June, but more likely early July. Now it's late June, the Russian miliatry is run ragged, concentrated in one area, and although they have managed to adapt against Ukrainian drones, on other fronts that are actually important the drones are still effective.
yes it's going very poorly for ukraine we've been over this kek. you're losing no amount of mental gymnastics will change this very simple fact. you're occupied now, russia has the entire eastern side of the country.
Taking territory is one thing. HOLDING it is another. That takes serious manpower for every area. Manpower Russia is increasingly running low on.
Also, if Russia predictably markets this city thing as a big victory, how the frick can Russia then turn around and say, "Oh wait we're not doing as well as we said. We need General Mobilization."
>This is why no one will take you seriously.
it's incredible that you come here and unironically believe what you post. absolutely a cultural phenomenon that you're so brainwashed by your own state. complete and utter dindus
believing in fairy tales because you're so ass-blasted about russia existing is not making a point. you've been coping for so long and so hard you're starting to believe your own delusions, seek help
ukraine's army appears to only be getting stronger. training more troops. air force is flying again. significantly more advanced weapons arriving almost daily. russian forces in the south appear fading.
artillery spammed for 2 months to conquer a few km of a decimated husk of the 35th largest city in Ukraine?
what does Russia even have left?
going to try a yolo attack from the north? how do you think that is going to go?
sweep across the plains from the east? do you think you can deplete Ukraine's supply of ATGM with your armor sacrifices? you won't.
Unironically who was asking if Mariupol could be "Held" once the Russians took it?
It was called a siege for a reason, the nearest ukranian positions were like 30k away.
mariupol was almost entirely reduced to rubble
almost all of its population either died of fled the city
the siege of mariupol is now one of the examples of a prryhic victory on wikipedia
but good job, you "liberated" the city and continue to hold it
My point is simple: if you're forced to commit a frickton of your offensive forces to simply hold a city, when your combat power has already been badly sapped by prolonged fighting......how much longer can you continue attacking?
What are you talking about taking sverodonesk shortens the front line and closes a salient into Russian controlled territory. That makes it easier from them to defend it. Additionally that already had that city surrounded on three sides so the only axis for Ukrainian forces to attack it again would be directly from where they’re retreating. They pose no threat to that city any longer.
As a firearms enthusiast, I do see potential in Russian victory that would lead to uncovering of illegal/compromising shit that could damage western governments significantly. Since those governments are anti-gun, I'm quite happy about that.
>uncovering of illegal/compromising shit that could damage western governments significantly.
if they had it they would've released it by now, or at least before election seasons. nothing cool ever fricking happens since every country is ruled by the same pedo cabal
Because Ukraine keeps throwing thousands of troops and dozens of hardware pieces in the Russian meatgrinder for the sake of 'slowing down the advance'. And yeah, they are slowing it down but at the same time significantly depleting their own military of large numbers of their best forces and of lots of scarce hardware.
All these retired militaries going >zomg russia stronk will win west should bow down because russia scary
are their pensions too low so they have to take worthless rubles or whatever currency reserve the russians have or are they just braindead?
The War has always been ‘overwhelmingly’ in favour of Russia. Only a moron would dispute that.
That’s why it’s even more hilarious that they are struggling and suffering huge losses.
People are laughing because we were all brought up thinking Russia is a serious and dangerous power. If they can’t steamroll fricking Ukraine, what chance do they have against USA-UK
90% of what it conquered was frozen wastelands and sand deserts and it beat spear throwing africans while Germany didn't care about colonization
the only thing the UK has for it is being a very karge island surrounded by an ocean, if it were on the continent it would have been conquered and defeated centuries ago
>this victory proving force projection anywhere they want actually isn't a victory
maybe where you're from
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>this victory proving force projection anywhere they want
it only proves you're better than Argentinians
while the World has seen mighty empires like the Mongols, the Ummayads, the Japanese, the Prussians, the Persians, the Ottomans, the Soviets, the Romans fighting and defeating each other in bloodiest battles, the only real battle the UK ever participated in was the battle of the Somme, all the other wars were against spear throwing or boomerang throwing tribes
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I love this song
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only 25,000 actual British soldiers >Prussians: 50,000 >6,000 King's German Legion >Netherlands: 17,000 >Hanover: 11,000 >Brunswick: 6,000 >Nassau: 3,000
and it was on an island surrounded by an ocean
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>numbers from the past mitigate what literally took place
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Anonymous
when over 50% of the victors are not even British can we really call it a British victory ?
A quarter of the planet lived under the British flag you mongo. It was one of the greatest and strongest empires the World has ever seen. Also Britain is a fricking tiny island, what are you even talking about. Frick, I'm responding to bait.
Britain is the ninth largest island in the world and the fifth if you don't count those up above the arctic circle which are virtually unhabited
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Anonymous
>when over 50% of the victors are not even British can we really call it a British victory ? >still obsessed with irrelevant numbers
you are either a moron or a bonafide chink
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's two ad hominems in case one deflection wasn't enough
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Anonymous
both are sufficient to quell a chinaman
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Anonymous
By that logic the Spanish didn’t actually conquer the Aztecs since most of Cortes’s army was made up of native tribesmen.
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Just stop
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>the world-subjugating hegemon wasn't a world hegemon
see
>this victory proving force projection anywhere they want actually isn't a victory
maybe where you're from
A quarter of the planet lived under the British flag you mongo. It was one of the greatest and strongest empires the World has ever seen. Also Britain is a fricking tiny island, what are you even talking about. Frick, I'm responding to bait.
>if it were on the continent it would have been conquered and defeated centuries ago
Not being on the continent didn't spare it from that. Twice more or less, by the Normans and the Danes.
>UK has never been a major power
You're out of your mind.
Shit doesn't even work, separatist tried implementing those into their units since they seized so many and those things where deathly unreliable so now they just crush them with tanks.
Yeah apparently expended tubes don't fire who could of guessed, Every intel slava post showing captured ones was expended NLAWs or Javlins missing the CLU but is to be expected when they are wunderwaffe space magic to your average vatnik.
There's like no videos of those ever hitting anything expect disabling that ancient btr with paper thin armor.
Companies that make those know US military will never directly use them so they make nice powerpoint presentation for senators and shareholders and then cheap the shit out on them making them out of styrofoam and what not for maximum profit margins.
Shit doesn't work, US is using planes to fight tanks not infantry so they don't care.
So now that Russia seems to be winning, the ressurection of the USSR as a superpower seems to be near again. This opens prospects for a young millenial like me, we were already looking east to China but now we can also look to Great-Russia right next to it. Should I consider learning Russian? I work in IT, what are some good companies there to work for? Sukhoi, Gazprom?
Yeah that's only if they don't follow the legal asylum rules
We have a pact with Rwanda to deport people who come illegally lmao.
Don't be an Illegal, it's that easy.
Here's an attempt at a serious take: Russia is in a better position to hold ground than to take it. Ukraine has numeric superiority and, as we have seen, they have been quite good at ambushing tanks and supply trucks on the move. However, they severely lack artillery, air support and tanks of their own, and you need a lot of those things to launch your own offensive. Ukraine has successfully crippled Russia's ability to make any substantial territorial advances, but pushing them out of Donbass is going to be really hard without a big step up in offensive armaments being handed to them by other countries.
they're advancing at a snail's pace, which is already bad enough from a strategic point but
heavy western equipment is only arriving now and the important cities are all still in front of them. in other words the shitshow hasn't even started yet.
I suggest you check the Zolote cauldron and the rapid encirclement of Lysichansk as we speak. The scale is tipping in favour of Russia. Also see
Because Ukraine keeps throwing thousands of troops and dozens of hardware pieces in the Russian meatgrinder for the sake of 'slowing down the advance'. And yeah, they are slowing it down but at the same time significantly depleting their own military of large numbers of their best forces and of lots of scarce hardware.
which nicely explains why the advance is slow, Ukraine is basically throwing in everything they have and still are being defeated. Western weapons? They are meaningfull reinforcements but are not the wunderwaffen /k/ makes out of them. The M777 howitzers have in some cases been simply destroyed, others were broken because the barrel broke down after being overused. CAESARS are a similar story, two apparently were captured and transferred to Russia for research. These systems are not arriving in meaninful numbers and the crashcourses Ukies get means they're probably not used to their max potential. Then there's also reports Ukies are running out of ammunition for artillery.
Even the biggest Ukie shills must admit it doesn't look good for Ukraine.
>The M777 howitzers have in some cases been simply destroyed, others were broken because the barrel broke down after being overused. >barrels have a service life >ukies were given enough opportunities to shoot said barrels out, in an active warzone
woah
And the Russians are still advancing but now for Ukraine a significant portion of western supplied artillery is out of operation, far away from any repair facility or simply destroyed because of enemy fire.
You think a conventional war is the only move Ukraine has? Think again. The Insurgency is already beginning.
What chance does Russia have when it's attacked from front AND behind? IEDs will be blowing up Russian vehicles every day of the week, and bombs will be blowing up Russian barracks.
>CAESARS are a similar story, two apparently were captured and transferred to Russia for research. These systems are not arriving in meaninful numbers and the crashcourses Ukies get means they're probably not used to their max potential. >russian engineers will get to take a close look at technology they won’t be able to replicate before the West colonizes Mars, possibly
If it doesn't matter then why is the Pentagon afraid the MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones they're planning to supply to Ukraine could be shot down and researched?
>why is the Pentagon afraid the MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones they're planning to supply to Ukraine could be shot down and researched?
I would assume it’s because unfortunately china exists, and seeing how russia will be selling their own mothers to china for a couple of decades they’re bound to sell some downed drones too.
And the Russians are still advancing but now for Ukraine a significant portion of western supplied artillery is out of operation, far away from any repair facility or simply destroyed because of enemy fire.
How is this good for Ukraine?
>russians are still taking villages and flattening cities full of „russian minorities”
Remember when putin said russia can have soldiers in warsaw, vilnius and bucharest within 2 days?
I remember, and now we’re on what? Day 120 of retreating from Kiev and fighting for some villages I’ve never heard of before 2022
>CAESARS are a similar story, two apparently were captured
the 'source' is a literal who french lawyer from twitter.. if they need to 'research' a wheeled spg designed in 2000, then russia is in truly dire straits
bruh its a fricking howitzer hahahaha lmao they're taking it back to their labs for "research" as if some object flew in from outside our solar system lol
ITS A HOWITZER. what magic shit is there to "research"?
Indeed it was. Researching a truck with a bolted on old howitzer, where the crew still have to run around in the open, is a bit like recognising different types of wood. It is not rocket science.
The idea that they would bring these howitzers to Uralvagonzavod for "research" is pathetic.
do you have doubts that the differences between western and russian howitzer systems aren't so much design differences but rather differences in industrial capability, mfg tolerances, etc?
Ukrainian government has to literally catch and drag randoms kicking and screaming to the frontline.
I believe they still have some intact units left, but majority of recruitment pool are people that don't even want to be there and will surrender at first opportunity. I doubt attacking anything is in the cards for them, unless it will be one of those suicide assaults that they did in Kherson.
Ukraine went through several waves of mobilization already, all while Russia is still using same army group from February.
There's nothing to hold there and whatever needs to be done police will do it. Definitely feels like we are reaching Ukraine endgame now. It will all be over soon.
Yeah, Severodonetsk is pretty much over. Ukraine army is crippled and basically bleeding to death now, after Lysychansk falls it will just be a general total collapse. This was the last battle of the war
I believe you brother, Russian military had issues but is still stronger than Ukraine. They will soon again learn the beauty of Gogol, Tolstoy and Tchaikovsky. True culture instead whatever was part of their 'identity' before this.
>Ukraine army is crippled and basically bleeding to death now
Lmao.
No, it's not. They've got huge reserves of contractors that they've been sparing, plus, they got more weapons every day, while Russia is getting crippled more and more. RF forces couldn't close the encirclement behind Lysychansk, that's why they went for a much smaller kotel. Now they need to storm Lysychansk, that is a high ground.
Кaк жe вы зaeбaли, лaхты. Хoть Гиpкинa или Mypзy пoчитaй, дятeл.
Guard from whom? In about a week Ukr forces will retreat to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. In that time Severodonetsk gonna remain in the rear of Rus forces.
I have been ignoring these gay ass threads bc I dont give a shit about moronic slavs wasting each other. However this would be very funny if russians were playing 7d chess and doing a rope-a-dope. I'm 98% sure they aren't, but it'd be a historic move.
what the frick is wrong with people here lmfao?
russia committed 200k troops and is advancing against a ukraine that is on 6th mobilization wave, and people here still think ukraine is doing well??
Since what, April-early May whenever the focused shifted to the east, has Ukraine shown the ability to retake any ground they've lost? It seems like it's bee a slow Russian March forward.
note: I don't really think that "capture" story is true since it came from some french politician who dislikes macaroni, could've been just making shit up. but russian factory did flex at france in tg or w/e
>in theory, can russia even capture mariupol?
captures mariupol
>in theory, can russia even capture severo?
is gonna capture severo
>can it...even hold mariupol?
holds mariupol
you see how this is going?
>Russia will defeat Ukraine in 2 days
>...uh... a week
>2 weeks
>in only a month
>by start of summer
>in 2022
Everyone sees how things are going
yeah very, very, very poorly for ukraine while you're still claiming russia is losing. it's quite fricking pathetic. ukrainians are retreating right now from sievero btw
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1540215947700670465
>it's quite fricking pathetic
Compared with Russwana's incessant pathological collossal mendacity about absolutely everything it ever does? Okey-dokey. Mm-hmm.
>retreating
They're being evacuated you stupid vatBlack person.
By what standard is Ukraine doing poorly? I wonder what it is like inside the head of a vatnik, it must be an interesting place to live...
More vacant than a commieblock
White people would have destroyed the ruski horde months ago.
They are not using American weapons on Russia in their territory to avoid getting the US in a war. Otherwise they would have won a long time ago. Mean while Russia is somewhat getting slightly more organized because they literally have safe spaces to be in.
So I am saying the Ukrainians are holding back too much and it's going to cost them dearly.
Russian supplies will run out in 2 more weeks!!!
I mean...didn't they run out?
Why do you think they abandoned the Northern front?
Or the Southern front after Mariupol, lol.
And what happened to the Russian offensive capability in that region AFTERWARD?
The Russians were forced to go East.
I must also point out that holding a big pile of rubble is easy. It no longer has any strategic value to Ukraine, for frick's sake the Russians even DESTROYED the fricking factory there.
you're still harping on something that happened at the beginning of the fricking war moron. the russians are occupying the most resource rich parts of ukraine while controlling the port to the sea. it's over, it's a slow burn now while waiting for Ukraine to suffer. this is going to go on for years most likely, your two months, two days, two weeks nonsense will not last
Weren't you Vatniks claiming you'd destroy the Ukrainian military at Severodonetsk? All that work and your enemy STILL escapes, lol.
Ukrainian military + 50 NATO generals enclosed in the pot and kettle and tupperware
>resource rich parts of ukraine
Which they cannot access, as they have destroyed the infrastructure. They are in effect salting the earth they have won.
What? They want to turn Mariupol into a resort town? In a sea with too many damned resort towns that is abysmally ugly in the first instance? As if that isn't a gigantic concession they've ruined a valuable industrial asset. Your posturing is meaningless. The Russians don't gain from the land because they have no choice but to destroy everything, and slaughter by conscription the human resources that knew how to utilise the local lands.
Correct. It's worthless now.
Stupid Russians.
>It no longer has any strategic value to Ukraine
If your enemy kills you, you win.
It's the same thing Russia did in 1941. Do a fighting retreat while destroying everything of value.
And Russia knows it and they know they can't do anything to stop it except maybe cry "It's so unfair Ukraine just left us rubble to conquer now our new slaves have nowhere to live!"
Correct. Ukraine should ensure Russia wrecks anything of value, so it gains NOTHING but rubble from areas it takes.
Lock Russia into a glorious Sunk Cost Fallacy.
Also, start the Insurgency proper. Time to attack Russians in their occupied territories. Make nowhere safe for them.
The Ukes are 100km away from Mariupol now. A week ago they were 150km away.
You see how this is going?
Ukrainian command set set the conditions for losing the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area yesterday. Just as they set the conditions for losing Severodonetsk a month ago.
You see how this is going?
Back in March, when there was a lot of press about the foreign weapons arriving in Ukraine, Ukrainian generals curtly pointed out that their big counter offensive wasn't going to happen until, at least, late June, but more likely early July. Now it's late June, the Russian miliatry is run ragged, concentrated in one area, and although they have managed to adapt against Ukrainian drones, on other fronts that are actually important the drones are still effective.
You see how this is going?
yes it's going very poorly for ukraine we've been over this kek. you're losing no amount of mental gymnastics will change this very simple fact. you're occupied now, russia has the entire eastern side of the country.
Taking territory is one thing. HOLDING it is another. That takes serious manpower for every area. Manpower Russia is increasingly running low on.
Also, if Russia predictably markets this city thing as a big victory, how the frick can Russia then turn around and say, "Oh wait we're not doing as well as we said. We need General Mobilization."
You couldn't counter a single point he made. This is why no one will take you seriously.
>This is why no one will take you seriously.
it's incredible that you come here and unironically believe what you post. absolutely a cultural phenomenon that you're so brainwashed by your own state. complete and utter dindus
believing in fairy tales because you're so ass-blasted about russia existing is not making a point. you've been coping for so long and so hard you're starting to believe your own delusions, seek help
>entire eastern side of the country
Vatnik can't read maps, unsuprising.
Look at the actual gains from post 2014 borders you dense motherfricker
Kotel closes in two weaks
ukraine's army appears to only be getting stronger. training more troops. air force is flying again. significantly more advanced weapons arriving almost daily. russian forces in the south appear fading.
artillery spammed for 2 months to conquer a few km of a decimated husk of the 35th largest city in Ukraine?
what does Russia even have left?
going to try a yolo attack from the north? how do you think that is going to go?
sweep across the plains from the east? do you think you can deplete Ukraine's supply of ATGM with your armor sacrifices? you won't.
It's pretty pathetic. All that work for a drop of blood.
All those lives, all that equipment, all that ammo.....and Ukraine still held you back and finally left in good order.
Unironically who was asking if Mariupol could be "Held" once the Russians took it?
It was called a siege for a reason, the nearest ukranian positions were like 30k away.
>holds Mariupol
Hardly counts after shelling and bombing it for 3 months until everyone is dead. Only thing they're holding now is a cholera outbreak
mariupol was almost entirely reduced to rubble
almost all of its population either died of fled the city
the siege of mariupol is now one of the examples of a prryhic victory on wikipedia
but good job, you "liberated" the city and continue to hold it
>the siege of mariupol is now one of the examples of a prryhic victory on wikipedia
Is this you?
meds
yes how did you know?
>Green Party member
>Who isn't a Russian shill
R A R E
>Google Chrome
ew
Who is this Chad?
the chink? who cares
Oh, there's a desperate and angry population left in Mariupol. They should ramp up the Insurgency before they all die of dysentery and cholera.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/cholera-other-diseases-could-kill-thousands-ukraines-mariupol-mayor-2022-06-10/
The Soviets and the US captured Kabul.
Are you guys paid to type this? This board is getting pathetic seriously.
Funny how /k/ has been very quiet since retreat has been called yesterday.
My point is simple: if you're forced to commit a frickton of your offensive forces to simply hold a city, when your combat power has already been badly sapped by prolonged fighting......how much longer can you continue attacking?
Why would you be forced. Some random Ukie brigade is gonna appear behind the frontline?
What are you talking about taking sverodonesk shortens the front line and closes a salient into Russian controlled territory. That makes it easier from them to defend it. Additionally that already had that city surrounded on three sides so the only axis for Ukrainian forces to attack it again would be directly from where they’re retreating. They pose no threat to that city any longer.
As a firearms enthusiast, I do see potential in Russian victory that would lead to uncovering of illegal/compromising shit that could damage western governments significantly. Since those governments are anti-gun, I'm quite happy about that.
>uncovering of illegal/compromising shit that could damage western governments significantly.
if they had it they would've released it by now, or at least before election seasons. nothing cool ever fricking happens since every country is ruled by the same pedo cabal
I agree fellow firearms enthusiast from the United Oblasts of Americans, we need to hear about those biolabs!
Yes. I am from London Oblast and I can't wait to hear about tactical anti-slav birds from biolabs
>Severodonetsk
>huge city
Wat?
Was going to say, wasn’t it like 10k population? Even less now + mainly rubble?
I believe Russia will win and there is NOTHING /k/ can say that can make me believe otherwise.
As for me I don't know whether Russia will win or not but I believe Ukraine lost in all cases.
I believe my grandchildren will settle the (formerly) russian far east
What exactly do you mean by "win"? Capturing SD? Or the original goals of the war?
btw I also believe the moon is made of cheese and am trans
Russia has already won.
The annual golden moron award this year goes to russia. Congrats russia
Oh no hoholsisters, I thought western Wunderwaffen were supposed to help us swiftly destroy the paper Russian army?????
>overwhelmingly in favor of russia
>russia still somehow can't advance for shit
kek
Because Ukraine keeps throwing thousands of troops and dozens of hardware pieces in the Russian meatgrinder for the sake of 'slowing down the advance'. And yeah, they are slowing it down but at the same time significantly depleting their own military of large numbers of their best forces and of lots of scarce hardware.
That’s actually called ‘defending your nation’
You fricking idiot.
go easy, he has nothing to defend
No its called dying so bidens family can loot ukraine
In reality it's hopelessly defending an undefendable position and unnecessarily wasting assets you could better have used somewhere else.
Now go back to your twitter cirklejerk claiming Ukraine's victory is near, you moronic waste of oxygen.
This is view of a German attacking Stalingrad.
> Reeee stop defending its hopeless reeeee
Take your meds kid
All these retired militaries going
>zomg russia stronk will win west should bow down because russia scary
are their pensions too low so they have to take worthless rubles or whatever currency reserve the russians have or are they just braindead?
Fox News? Frick off republitard.
woah dudes russia is so powerful they can influence american media to push their propaganda!!! why is russia so powerful bros??
The War has always been ‘overwhelmingly’ in favour of Russia. Only a moron would dispute that.
That’s why it’s even more hilarious that they are struggling and suffering huge losses.
People are laughing because we were all brought up thinking Russia is a serious and dangerous power. If they can’t steamroll fricking Ukraine, what chance do they have against USA-UK
NONE
UK has never been a major power
90% of what it conquered was frozen wastelands and sand deserts and it beat spear throwing africans while Germany didn't care about colonization
the only thing the UK has for it is being a very karge island surrounded by an ocean, if it were on the continent it would have been conquered and defeated centuries ago
>UK has never been a major power
falklands halfway across the world. taiwan across the harbour
defeating Argies is hardly a feat
they have no military tradition
>this victory proving force projection anywhere they want actually isn't a victory
maybe where you're from
>this victory proving force projection anywhere they want
it only proves you're better than Argentinians
while the World has seen mighty empires like the Mongols, the Ummayads, the Japanese, the Prussians, the Persians, the Ottomans, the Soviets, the Romans fighting and defeating each other in bloodiest battles, the only real battle the UK ever participated in was the battle of the Somme, all the other wars were against spear throwing or boomerang throwing tribes
I love this song
only 25,000 actual British soldiers
>Prussians: 50,000
>6,000 King's German Legion
>Netherlands: 17,000
>Hanover: 11,000
>Brunswick: 6,000
>Nassau: 3,000
and it was on an island surrounded by an ocean
>numbers from the past mitigate what literally took place
when over 50% of the victors are not even British can we really call it a British victory ?
Britain is the ninth largest island in the world and the fifth if you don't count those up above the arctic circle which are virtually unhabited
>when over 50% of the victors are not even British can we really call it a British victory ?
>still obsessed with irrelevant numbers
you are either a moron or a bonafide chink
that's two ad hominems in case one deflection wasn't enough
both are sufficient to quell a chinaman
By that logic the Spanish didn’t actually conquer the Aztecs since most of Cortes’s army was made up of native tribesmen.
Just stop
>the world-subjugating hegemon wasn't a world hegemon
see
No military tradition? Boy my god please.
No successful one by global standards. Faveloids are not people and should not larp as such.
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You know nothing about history. I regret reading your post.
A quarter of the planet lived under the British flag you mongo. It was one of the greatest and strongest empires the World has ever seen. Also Britain is a fricking tiny island, what are you even talking about. Frick, I'm responding to bait.
>if it were on the continent it would have been conquered and defeated centuries ago
Not being on the continent didn't spare it from that. Twice more or less, by the Normans and the Danes.
>UK has never been a major power
You're out of your mind.
Might be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read, thank you anon you have a gift
>atgms and guided munitions is wunderwaffe space magic to your average russian
>40 year old ATGM and guided munitions is wunderwaffe space magic to your average russian.
fixed it for you
Shit doesn't even work, separatist tried implementing those into their units since they seized so many and those things where deathly unreliable so now they just crush them with tanks.
Yeah apparently expended tubes don't fire who could of guessed, Every intel slava post showing captured ones was expended NLAWs or Javlins missing the CLU but is to be expected when they are wunderwaffe space magic to your average vatnik.
There's like no videos of those ever hitting anything expect disabling that ancient btr with paper thin armor.
Companies that make those know US military will never directly use them so they make nice powerpoint presentation for senators and shareholders and then cheap the shit out on them making them out of styrofoam and what not for maximum profit margins.
Shit doesn't work, US is using planes to fight tanks not infantry so they don't care.
>could of
lieutenant colonel
There are over 5000 lieutenant colonels in the US army, probably tens of thousands more retired
So now that Russia seems to be winning, the ressurection of the USSR as a superpower seems to be near again. This opens prospects for a young millenial like me, we were already looking east to China but now we can also look to Great-Russia right next to it. Should I consider learning Russian? I work in IT, what are some good companies there to work for? Sukhoi, Gazprom?
We won't let you immigrate in the EU vatnik
Russia is just mopping up the corpses at this point
>Ukraine to withdraw from key city of Severodonetsk as Russia's advance grinds on
By Joshua Berlinger and Tim Lister, CNN
Updated 1313 GMT (2113 HKT) June 24, 2022
buck broken
Even the Biden shills are surrendering
Yeah that's only if they don't follow the legal asylum rules
We have a pact with Rwanda to deport people who come illegally lmao.
Don't be an Illegal, it's that easy.
He's a kraut, what did you think? Those fricks are one bad wienerschnitzel away from selling their ass to whoever demands it.
What having 100000 women raped by Soviets do to a MF
Is he not aware of Kyiv advances on reddit and twitter fronts?
He always say things like that. He’s a doomer homosexual.
it's over for Ukraine. They have no chance
Stop this war Zelensky. Don't let your people suffer anymore. Just surrender
>Over for Ukraine
>Russia threw everything it had at the East and still just CRAWLED forward
Russia, Ukraine hasn't even gotten started. Wait till the Tridents start getting spray-painted in areas you "supposedly" control.
Here's an attempt at a serious take: Russia is in a better position to hold ground than to take it. Ukraine has numeric superiority and, as we have seen, they have been quite good at ambushing tanks and supply trucks on the move. However, they severely lack artillery, air support and tanks of their own, and you need a lot of those things to launch your own offensive. Ukraine has successfully crippled Russia's ability to make any substantial territorial advances, but pushing them out of Donbass is going to be really hard without a big step up in offensive armaments being handed to them by other countries.
they're advancing at a snail's pace, which is already bad enough from a strategic point but
heavy western equipment is only arriving now and the important cities are all still in front of them. in other words the shitshow hasn't even started yet.
>heavy western equipment is only arriving now and the important cities are all still in front of them
ukrainian offensive will make me cum ropes
I suggest you check the Zolote cauldron and the rapid encirclement of Lysichansk as we speak. The scale is tipping in favour of Russia. Also see
which nicely explains why the advance is slow, Ukraine is basically throwing in everything they have and still are being defeated. Western weapons? They are meaningfull reinforcements but are not the wunderwaffen /k/ makes out of them. The M777 howitzers have in some cases been simply destroyed, others were broken because the barrel broke down after being overused. CAESARS are a similar story, two apparently were captured and transferred to Russia for research. These systems are not arriving in meaninful numbers and the crashcourses Ukies get means they're probably not used to their max potential. Then there's also reports Ukies are running out of ammunition for artillery.
Even the biggest Ukie shills must admit it doesn't look good for Ukraine.
>The M777 howitzers have in some cases been simply destroyed, others were broken because the barrel broke down after being overused.
>barrels have a service life
>ukies were given enough opportunities to shoot said barrels out, in an active warzone
woah
And the Russians are still advancing but now for Ukraine a significant portion of western supplied artillery is out of operation, far away from any repair facility or simply destroyed because of enemy fire.
How is this good for Ukraine?
You think a conventional war is the only move Ukraine has? Think again. The Insurgency is already beginning.
What chance does Russia have when it's attacked from front AND behind? IEDs will be blowing up Russian vehicles every day of the week, and bombs will be blowing up Russian barracks.
Bring the war right to the invader's bedrooms.
https://movie-sounds.org/famous-movie-samples/quotes-with-sound-clips-from-jason-and-the-argonauts-1963/destroy-them-kill-kill-kill-kill-them-all
>CAESARS are a similar story, two apparently were captured and transferred to Russia for research. These systems are not arriving in meaninful numbers and the crashcourses Ukies get means they're probably not used to their max potential.
>russian engineers will get to take a close look at technology they won’t be able to replicate before the West colonizes Mars, possibly
Your seething is palpable.
If it doesn't matter then why is the Pentagon afraid the MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones they're planning to supply to Ukraine could be shot down and researched?
if they were concerned about it they wouldn't even offer them to ukraine
Well it seems to have been a politically motivated decision but the military has big concerns.
>why is the Pentagon afraid the MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones they're planning to supply to Ukraine could be shot down and researched?
I would assume it’s because unfortunately china exists, and seeing how russia will be selling their own mothers to china for a couple of decades they’re bound to sell some downed drones too.
>russians are still taking villages and flattening cities full of „russian minorities”
Remember when putin said russia can have soldiers in warsaw, vilnius and bucharest within 2 days?
I remember, and now we’re on what? Day 120 of retreating from Kiev and fighting for some villages I’ve never heard of before 2022
>CAESARS are a similar story, two apparently were captured
the 'source' is a literal who french lawyer from twitter.. if they need to 'research' a wheeled spg designed in 2000, then russia is in truly dire straits
>the 'source' is a literal who french lawyer from twitter..
from russia today to be more specific, lmao
I think I also saw it on Intel Slava Z though
>I suggest you check the Zolote cauldron and the rapid encirclement of Lysichansk as we speak.
Zolote cauldron is now confirmed fake LMAO.
>transferred to Russia for research.
lol
lmao
bruh its a fricking howitzer hahahaha lmao they're taking it back to their labs for "research" as if some object flew in from outside our solar system lol
ITS A HOWITZER. what magic shit is there to "research"?
dumbest post of 2022
Indeed it was. Researching a truck with a bolted on old howitzer, where the crew still have to run around in the open, is a bit like recognising different types of wood. It is not rocket science.
The idea that they would bring these howitzers to Uralvagonzavod for "research" is pathetic.
do you have doubts that the differences between western and russian howitzer systems aren't so much design differences but rather differences in industrial capability, mfg tolerances, etc?
one should research whatever enemy vehicles or weapons he captures
There is nobody left in both cities except soldiers and pro-russians
and even those are largely dead from constant bombardment
no you dont need an army to hold a pile of rubble with a couple hundred old men with soviet nostalgia
Ukrainian government has to literally catch and drag randoms kicking and screaming to the frontline.
I believe they still have some intact units left, but majority of recruitment pool are people that don't even want to be there and will surrender at first opportunity. I doubt attacking anything is in the cards for them, unless it will be one of those suicide assaults that they did in Kherson.
Ukraine went through several waves of mobilization already, all while Russia is still using same army group from February.
What are the chances Russia will use POSEIDON against Odessa?
>using poseidon to flood Odessa
>Ivan forgot how tsunami works
>flooding Sevastopol
>profit
There's nothing to hold there and whatever needs to be done police will do it. Definitely feels like we are reaching Ukraine endgame now. It will all be over soon.
So now Ukraine is about to fall? Do you guys think we'll see an attack on Moldova any time soon?
Yeah, Severodonetsk is pretty much over. Ukraine army is crippled and basically bleeding to death now, after Lysychansk falls it will just be a general total collapse. This was the last battle of the war
Yes just like in the first two hours of war, surely it's all over now
Just wait and see, screencap my post or something.
You got it
I believe you brother, Russian military had issues but is still stronger than Ukraine. They will soon again learn the beauty of Gogol, Tolstoy and Tchaikovsky. True culture instead whatever was part of their 'identity' before this.
Will you eat your own shit on stream aswell?
you're telling me that dude actually did that? or did he dip, like a gay-ass pussy?
Imagine thinking that a vatnik would stick to his word kek
>Ukraine army is crippled and basically bleeding to death now
Lmao.
No, it's not. They've got huge reserves of contractors that they've been sparing, plus, they got more weapons every day, while Russia is getting crippled more and more. RF forces couldn't close the encirclement behind Lysychansk, that's why they went for a much smaller kotel. Now they need to storm Lysychansk, that is a high ground.
Кaк жe вы зaeбaли, лaхты. Хoть Гиpкинa или Mypзy пoчитaй, дятeл.
haven't you heard about Girkin and Murz being secret CiPSO agents?
Correct. Russia can't win something called TIME on the battlefield, they're moving slower than fricking hell.
how can you be this delusional
: several hundred graves
Back of a napkin maths, that's at least 40% of the total fighting age population of Ukraine
>command tells us the Ukrainians will collapse any day now
>but we have received this message every morning for three months
>despair begins to set in
RIP Zionist J-Ukraine:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61920708
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/24/europe/severodonetsk-luhansk-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html
Guard from whom? In about a week Ukr forces will retreat to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. In that time Severodonetsk gonna remain in the rear of Rus forces.
Once Ukraine spends its army there will be russian advances of 100 km a day. Nothing moves until total collapse
I have been ignoring these gay ass threads bc I dont give a shit about moronic slavs wasting each other. However this would be very funny if russians were playing 7d chess and doing a rope-a-dope. I'm 98% sure they aren't, but it'd be a historic move.
>Expecting something profound from RUSSIA
Your Russian vodka was clearly poisoned by Chernobyl.
>Russia will never surround severodonetsk
>Okay, but Russia will never TAKE severodonetsk
>Okay, they took it, but they can’t keep it
Even if russia wins the war and they take territory they wanted for 60 years from Ukraine, Ukraine wins because
>Russia wins the war
Fricking how, lol? Their invasion forces can barely advance on one front, at massive cost.
>That's going to take a lot of manpower to guard.
Guard from whom? Ukie army is pushed westwards so the city can be left unguarded.
If Ukraine is losing 600-1000 Soldiers per day I can't imagine how many orcs are killed daily.
what the frick is wrong with people here lmfao?
russia committed 200k troops and is advancing against a ukraine that is on 6th mobilization wave, and people here still think ukraine is doing well??
Wet Ivan dreams.
you think some of those troops havent been replaced by now due to casualties?
Since what, April-early May whenever the focused shifted to the east, has Ukraine shown the ability to retake any ground they've lost? It seems like it's bee a slow Russian March forward.
note: I don't really think that "capture" story is true since it came from some french politician who dislikes macaroni, could've been just making shit up. but russian factory did flex at france in tg or w/e
>Realistically can Russia hold Sieverodonetsk
Depends on how much cholera the Russian troops mind
Thank God Ukraine is being liberated and having superior Russian living standards brought to them.
Frickin hell they bombed them into an African state.
Russia's plan is clearly to turn all of Ukraine into Shitholistan.
That alone is a war crime, lol.
Russians bring nothing but suffering and death to everything they touch.
I'd see the entire world go to green energy just to spite these frickers. See Russia completely ruined.
where's that homosexual who used to spam that moronic cat thread about le evil Pootin never taking Severodonetsk? I hope he didn't rope himself.